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* [[{{Megane}} His bad eyesight.]] [[TruthInTelevision Every recruits on army is required to have good eyesight,]] since you can't use gun without them. He pick his knife skills when his eyesight is still good, so he already adapted with them.

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* [[{{Megane}} His bad eyesight.]] eyesight. [[TruthInTelevision Every recruits on army is required to have good eyesight,]] since you can't use gun without them. He pick his knife skills when his eyesight is still good, so he already adapted with them.
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** Extra points for hanging Greed up [[CreepyCoolCrosses on a cross]] and then destroying him, so that he could return to the greater whole of his Father. He gets to analogue [[CryForTheDevil the Morningstar]] ''and'' a MessianicArchetype!

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** Extra points for hanging Greed up [[CreepyCoolCrosses on [[CreepyCrosses a cross]] and then destroying him, so that he could return to the greater whole of his Father. He gets to analogue [[CryForTheDevil the Morningstar]] ''and'' a MessianicArchetype!

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As mentioned in the FridgeBrilliance section, despite supposedly removing his sins, Father still acted as if he had them. It's likely that he didn't completely remove his sins, but rather removed the aspects of his sins that he saw as flawed or detrimental to his plans. To what extent likely relate to his sins
* Despite his sins being a flaw to him, Father showed pride in his character traits. He kept enough pride to motivate himself and likely justify his actions, but not enough to "lower" himself to humans. For a similar reason, he may have kept wrath in order to feel more comfortable with his callous disregard for human life.

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As mentioned in the FridgeBrilliance section, despite supposedly removing his sins, Father still acted as if he had them. It's likely that he didn't completely remove his sins, but rather removed the aspects of his sins that he saw as flawed or detrimental to his plans. To what extent likely relate to his sins
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sins. Despite his sins being a flaw to him, Father showed pride in his character traits. traits
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He kept enough pride to motivate himself and likely justify his actions, but not enough to "lower" himself to humans.humans.
* Patience is essential to any AncientConspiracy in the making, so Father couldn't afford to be easily angered. But would he allow those pitiful humans to interfere with his plans unpunished? No, he would come down on them ''hard''.
For a similar reason, he may have kept wrath in order to feel more comfortable with his callous disregard for human life.



* Different troper: What about Wrath?
** Patience is essential to any AncientConspiracy in the making, so Father couldn't afford to be easily angered. But would he allow those pitiful humans to interfere with his plans unpunished? No, he would come down on them ''hard''.

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* Different troper: What about Wrath?
** Patience is essential to any AncientConspiracy in the making, so Father couldn't afford to be easily angered. But would he allow those pitiful humans to interfere with his plans unpunished? No, he would come down on them ''hard''.
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** Besides, we all know Havoc's [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fullmetal_alchemist/v10/c038/30.html all about the busom]].

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** Besides, we all know Havoc's [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fullmetal_alchemist/v10/c038/30.html all about the busom]].
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The 520 cenz are a lifeline. One that's subtle enough Roy won't be too proud to take it, and irritating enough to suit their VitriolicBestBuds dynamic. Ed's putting a minor thorn in Roy's side that he knows the Colonel won't be willing to leave unresolved, because for all their bickering they do care about each other.

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The 520 cenz are a lifeline. One that's subtle enough Roy won't be too proud to take it, and irritating enough to suit their VitriolicBestBuds dynamic. Ed's putting a minor thorn in Roy's side that he knows the Colonel won't be willing to leave unresolved, because for all their bickering they do care about each other.other.

[[WMG: The toll to pass through the gate isn't a punishment.]]
Or, at least, not in the sense of Truth deciding people have done something wrong and deserve to be mutilated. It's an alchemical backlash, just like what normally happens when a transmutation lacks the necessary components, only weirder because the human soul is weirder than ordinary matter (and that's why a Philosopher's Stone can pay the toll and avoid mutilation: the transmutation process needs a soul as part of the ingredients). People just assume it's some kind of divine punishment because, well, Truth *is* divine and humans have a distressing tendency to embrace the just world fallacy, but the only time Truth itself says anything to support the idea is when it's reflecting the wannabe god Father (and thus reflecting Father's own megalomania and cruelty) and mocking him in his own words. You can game the system with a Philosopher's Stone as Ed did to get himself, Ling, and Envy out of Gluttony's stomach and get away perfectly fine, after all.
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* I don't know about them specifically, but there's definite evidence that the Xingese court might be a [[DeadlyDecadentCourt Deadly and Decadent one]]. Once they have learned [[PoweredByAForsakenChild how a philosopher's stone is made]], one of the Xingese characters (I believe May herself) notes their discomfort at going back to Xing with this information, because they know the response would be "Great, now let's just round up a few thousand peasants and get the show on the road."

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* I don't know about them specifically, but there's definite evidence that the Xingese court might be a [[DeadlyDecadentCourt [[DecadentCourt Deadly and Decadent one]]. Once they have learned [[PoweredByAForsakenChild how a philosopher's stone is made]], one of the Xingese characters (I believe May herself) notes their discomfort at going back to Xing with this information, because they know the response would be "Great, now let's just round up a few thousand peasants and get the show on the road."

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We never see it because 1. She’s very vain and doesn’t like transforming into that 2. She was killed before she could unleash it, and 3. That wouldn’t be allowed in a shounen manga.

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We never see it because 1. She’s very vain and doesn’t like transforming into that 2. She was killed before she could unleash it, and 3. That wouldn’t be allowed in a shounen manga.manga.

[[WMG: What's up with the 520 cenz promise?]]
When Ed threatened to repeatedly borrow money from Roy, I don't think he was just being a gadfly. This is right after Riza pretty strongly implies that Roy's suicidal, and later in the conversation Ed tells Roy not to worry her.
The 520 cenz are a lifeline. One that's subtle enough Roy won't be too proud to take it, and irritating enough to suit their VitriolicBestBuds dynamic. Ed's putting a minor thorn in Roy's side that he knows the Colonel won't be willing to leave unresolved, because for all their bickering they do care about each other.
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[[WMG: Hawkeye is related to [[Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia Hungary]].]]

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[[WMG: Hawkeye is related to [[Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia [[Webcomic/HetaliaAxisPowers Hungary]].]]
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* Al is one of the FairFolk from ''Discworld/LordsAndLadies'', so he sees through magnetism.

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* Al is one of the FairFolk from ''Discworld/LordsAndLadies'', ''Literature/LordsAndLadies'', so he sees through magnetism.
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Admit it, the first thing that came to mind after you saw him in [[ManInWhite that]] [[BadassInANiceSuit suit]] was that this fellow was one [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaAaFAnaZN4 Smooth Criminal.]] The only way his DyingMomentOfAwesome could have been any better was if he'd Moonwalked off into oblivion.

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Admit it, the first thing that came to mind after you saw him in [[ManInWhite that]] that [[BadassInANiceSuit white suit]] was that this fellow was one [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaAaFAnaZN4 Smooth Criminal.]] The only way his DyingMomentOfAwesome could have been any better was if he'd Moonwalked off into oblivion.
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Because [[spoiler:Mustang didn't commit human transmutation]], Truth actually didn't (intentionally) take anything from him! Instead, Mustang lost his eyesight from staring into all the information contained behind the gate and trying to take it all in, in an example of TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow. His eyes saw too much, and lost their eyesight from it -- similar to how an [[Franchise/TheElderScrolls Elder Scroll]] can make one go blind.

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Because [[spoiler:Mustang didn't commit human transmutation]], Truth actually didn't (intentionally) take anything from him! Instead, Mustang lost his eyesight from staring into all the information contained behind the gate and trying to take it all in, in an example of TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow. His eyes saw too much, and lost their eyesight from it -- similar to how an [[Franchise/TheElderScrolls Elder Scroll]] can make one go blind.blind.

[[WMG: Lust has a OneWingedAngel form that’s a mass of genitals, breasts and parted legs.]]
We never see it because 1. She’s very vain and doesn’t like transforming into that 2. She was killed before she could unleash it, and 3. That wouldn’t be allowed in a shounen manga.
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Father suceeded in his plan and left Ed just as he left Hoenheim ages ago. Ed's "triumph" is just a HopeSpot. In reality, there is no Reverse Transmutation Circle or it otherwise fails, the victims of Father's Transmutation Circle are all DEAD. Father is now and always God and Ed shoulders the same burden of survivor's guilt that his father bore long ago, wandering the wasteland that used to be Amestris . . . all alone.

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Father suceeded in his plan and left Ed just as he left Hoenheim ages ago. Ed's "triumph" is just a HopeSpot. In reality, there is no Reverse Transmutation Circle or it otherwise fails, the victims of Father's Transmutation Circle are all DEAD. Father is now and always God and Ed (should he survive) shoulders the same burden of survivor's guilt that his father bore long ago, wandering the wasteland that used to be Amestris . . . all alone.alone.


He did mention that he was supposed to be "the authority on Chimeras" and had already been a State Alchemist for two years, despite what an apparent hack he is. Since the Central guys are [[{{Jerkass}} really no better]] [[HateSink than Tucker]] [[TheSociopath himself]], they may have realized that Tucker's Furry Wife was still [[DamnedByFaintPraise marginally better]] [[YouDoNotWantToKnow than their previous Chimera experiments.]] Even if Tucker wasn't directly involved, he still served as a "creative consultant", and eventually the perfected process led to a fresh batch of PettingZooPeople. Tucker's next work came out so poorly because he was rushing to meet demands, and was [[IgnoredEpiphany initially reluctant to use his daughter and dog.]]

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He did mention that he was supposed to be "the authority on Chimeras" and had already been a State Alchemist for two years, despite what an apparent hack he is. Since the Central guys are [[{{Jerkass}} really no better]] [[HateSink than Tucker]] [[TheSociopath himself]], they may have realized that Tucker's Furry Wife was still [[DamnedByFaintPraise marginally better]] [[YouDoNotWantToKnow than their previous Chimera experiments.]] Even if Tucker wasn't directly involved, he still served as a "creative consultant", and eventually the perfected process led to a fresh batch of PettingZooPeople.{{Beast M|an}}en. Tucker's next work came out so poorly because he was rushing to meet demands, and was [[IgnoredEpiphany initially reluctant to use his daughter and dog.]]
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The Seven Deadly Sins were not originally seven: there were two more, Acedia and Vainglory, which ended up being folded into Sloth and Pride. However, as we see, Father ''didn't'' get rid of his vanity when he expelled Pride. As the Truth says, his true sin was his boastfulness, a part of Vainglory. If he had expelled this sin, instead of the other seven, he might have realized the error of his ways.

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The Seven Deadly Sins were not originally seven: there were two more, Acedia and Vainglory, which ended up being folded into Sloth and Pride. However, as we see, Father ''didn't'' get rid of his vanity when he expelled Pride. As the Truth says, his true sin was his boastfulness, a part of Vainglory. If he had expelled this sin, instead of the other seven, he might have realized the error of his ways.ways.
[[WMG: Truth never take anyone's eyesight, it was lost from looking at the gate.]]
Because [[spoiler:Mustang didn't commit human transmutation]], Truth actually didn't (intentionally) take anything from him! Instead, Mustang lost his eyesight from staring into all the information contained behind the gate and trying to take it all in, in an example of TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow. His eyes saw too much, and lost their eyesight from it -- similar to how an [[Franchise/TheElderScrolls Elder Scroll]] can make one go blind.
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** It kind of uses Alkahestry. May describes Alkahestry as controlling/manipulating the world's Chi in order to transmute, while Ling and his bodyguards say that the way they fought Pride was by reading his Chi. I think they know just enough of the basics of Alkahestry to know about Chi and how to detect it, but not enough to be able to draw circles and transmute with it -- it's a read-only property for them.
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*She could've killed sacrifices because she didn't want Father's plan to succeed. A way I've heard lust defined on this very site is "like greed but more manipulative." Logically, if this was the case she would share the desire to have friends. So, she, keeping in with the nature of her sin, pretends that she's loyal to Father and waits for an opportunity to screw up the plan. On Father's orders, she follows potential sacrifices to the fifth lab, alone, where she tries to murder them. The sacrifices manage to kill her, but even though she's angry at them for ending her life, she knows that it will inconvenience Father anyways, and makes her last words as nice as she can through her anger.
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** Maybe the reason she had her family go on a long vacation to Xing before the climax wasn't for their safety, but because she was terrified at the prospect of having to spend an extended stay in the same house as her sister, and this was the quickest way to get her out of the country...
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[[WMG: Shou Tucker was more involved with the Military's experiments then he let on]]
He did mention that he was supposed to be "the authority on Chimeras" and had already been a State Alchemist for two years, despite what an apparent hack he is. Since the Central guys are [[{{Jerkass}} really no better]] [[HateSink than Tucker]] [[TheSociopath himself]], they may have realized that Tucker's Furry Wife was still [[DamnedByFaintPraise marginally better]] [[YouDoNotWantToKnow than their previous Chimera experiments.]] Even if Tucker wasn't directly involved, he still served as a "creative consultant", and eventually the perfected process led to a fresh batch of PettingZooPeople. Tucker's next work came out so poorly because he was rushing to meet demands, and was [[IgnoredEpiphany initially reluctant to use his daughter and dog.]]
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*As far as I can tell, homunculi can have sex. On his most... well known list of wants, Greed mentions both women and sex. He also has a woman on each arm in his first appearance, and that would make no sense if he couldn't at least hypothetically have sex. And if he gave it to one of his children it doesn't make sense for him to not give it to all of them. Lust would actually be the most likely to be able to have sex because she actively seduces people. All it means that they can't have kids. People who are infertile in real life aren't infertile because they don't have genitals. They're infertile because of genetics or sperm or hormone production or ovoulation problems. Father could have just made it so none of his children produced any hormones so none of them could reproduce.



I'm basing this in part on speculation I read on another board. Pretty much, it seems like Father's goal is to open the Gate and storm the dimension where Truth-sama lives. They noted on that site how Pride's outline is identical to that of Truth-sama except that it's black rather than white and covered in eyes and mouths; and similarly, Father created Gluttony in an attempt to make a new Gate. So, my theory is that rather than being ''created'' in a flask, what Hohenheim's master actually did was more like demon-summoning and that Father was either previously kicked out of that dimension or else was separated from it by that ceremony. The way I see it, Truth-sama is a borderline evil god, but Father is much worse and the idea of Pride and Glutton's appearance is that they are a dark reflection of the Truth just as demons are often presented as a warped version of angels.

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I'm basing this in part on speculation I read on another board. Pretty much, it seems like Father's goal is to open the Gate and storm the dimension where Truth-sama lives. They noted on that site how Pride's outline is identical to that of Truth-sama except that it's black rather than white and covered in eyes and mouths; and similarly, Father created Gluttony in an attempt to make a new Gate. So, my theory is that rather than being ''created'' in a flask, what Hohenheim's master actually did was more like demon-summoning and that Father was either previously kicked out of that dimension or else was separated from it by that ceremony. The way I see it, Truth-sama is a borderline evil god, but Father is much worse and the idea of Pride and Glutton's Gluttony's appearance is that they are a dark reflection of the Truth just as demons are often presented as a warped version of angels.
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*If that's true, then the sequence of events that led to Ling becoming the second Greed was the most fucked up impromptu family reunion ever put to screen.
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*I don't think that uses alchemy. If it did, then either Ling, Lanfan or Fu would have learned at least enough Alchahestery that they could heal themselves or to have it as another combat option. Now I'm wondering why they didn't bring anyone with them who knew it to keep their heir alive, other than not bringing in too many Alchahestery users into the story.
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[[WMG: The gold toothed doctor is Father's secret lover.]]
Because let's face it, if Father wanted a family, he'd know of the typical two parent unit. Gold Tooth, meanwhile, seems to be the most loyal of Father's human cronies, and raised one of his kids.(Bradley) And they're both [[OmnicidalManiac omnicidal]], misanthropic bastards who use their "children" as weapons. If Father needed a partner to complete his "family" he'd probably seek [[UnholyMatrimony someone with as much love for humanity as himself.]]
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*** Actually read a Roy/Ed fic that was exactly that, and it wasn't revealed until halfway through the sex scene. {{Squick}} indeed.

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*** Actually read a Roy/Ed fic that was exactly that, and it wasn't revealed until halfway through the sex scene. {{Squick}} indeed.

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* FMA actually challenges what the concept of "God" actually is by including all the religious references to Ishbal (a god that has abandoned its people, or may not even exist), Father Cornello's cult, the seeming lack of a majority religion in Amestris, and the complete blank that The Truth is. The gate does have the Kabbalistic tree on it, which has the 10 names of god, but in Kabbalah, those names are meditated upon in order to achieve ''understanding'' of what God is, not to mention that Ed and IZumi both called what was beyond the gate "The Truth". It's a really interesting narrative to follow since the author certainly included all of these mentions of religion for a reason.

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* FMA actually challenges what the concept of "God" actually is by including all the religious references to Ishbal (a god that has abandoned its people, or may not even exist), Father Cornello's cult, the seeming lack of a majority religion in Amestris, and the complete blank that The Truth is. The gate does have the Kabbalistic tree on it, which has the 10 names of god, but in Kabbalah, those names are meditated upon in order to achieve ''understanding'' of what God is, not to mention that Ed and IZumi Izumi both called what was beyond the gate "The Truth". It's a really interesting narrative to follow since the author certainly included all of these mentions of religion for a reason.



Yes, May is as innocent as they come, but she's also a bit delusional and not the best judge of character. She decided Scar and Yoki were wonderful people way before they did anything remotely redeemable. In Chapter 57, Ran Fan almost gets into a fight with May, claiming it's her duty to wipe out evil. Maybe this goes beyond clan rivalry and the Chang clan is genuinely villainous, perhaps composed of bandits and criminals. The real reason they're dying off is they've all got bounties on their heads for their heinous crimes. I mean, what kind of clan lets a small girl journey across a treacherous desert by herself as part of a probably fruitless quest for immortality?

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Yes, May is as innocent as they come, but she's also a bit delusional and not the best judge of character. She decided Scar and Yoki were wonderful people way before they did anything remotely redeemable. In Chapter 57, Ran Lan Fan almost gets into a fight with May, claiming it's her duty to wipe out evil. Maybe this goes beyond clan rivalry and the Chang clan is genuinely villainous, perhaps composed of bandits and criminals. The real reason they're dying off is they've all got bounties on their heads for their heinous crimes. I mean, what kind of clan lets a small girl journey across a treacherous desert by herself as part of a probably fruitless quest for immortality?


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*** On the other hand, Ed notices that forcing [[spoiler:Mustang]] though the Gate [[spoiler:put a huge strain on Pride]], so it's not really the most ''efficient'' option available. Father probably still preferred waiting for people to do it on their own, but you're right about him having the backup plan if necessary. Now, whether or not ''putting off'' that option until the last minute makes him an idiot or not is up for debate.
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* Isn't that canon? It's stated that the emperor takes one concubine from each clan.
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* This makes a lot of sense; it would definitely explain why there's such an oddly low number of potential sacrifices. I'd like to add that this is probably why Envy and Lust had seemed interested in Scar -- because they realized he was a risk to their candidates.



* [[{{Megane}} His bad eyesight.]] [[TruthOnTelevision Every recruits on army is required to have good eyesight,]] since you can't use gun without them. He pick his knife skills when his eyesight is still good, so he already adapted with them.

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* [[{{Megane}} His bad eyesight.]] [[TruthOnTelevision [[TruthInTelevision Every recruits on army is required to have good eyesight,]] since you can't use gun without them. He pick his knife skills when his eyesight is still good, so he already adapted with them.
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[[WMG: Al uses magnetism to move the suit of armour.]]
The soul is an "electromagnetic pattern", as described by [[ComicBook/WatchMen Professor Milton Glass]] & thus is able to create magnetic forces capable of manipulating metal. This is why bloodseals are only ever used on iron & not other chemicals present in blood. If it were not used on a metallic object, the subject would be unable to move. This may also explain how Al sees without eyes. He is actually "seeing" the effect things around him have on Earth's magnetic field or something like that.

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[[WMG: Al uses magnetism to move the suit of armour.armor.]]
The soul is an "electromagnetic pattern", as described by [[ComicBook/WatchMen Professor Milton Glass]] & thus is able to create magnetic forces capable of manipulating metal. This is why bloodseals blood seals are only ever used on iron & not other chemicals present in blood. If it were not used on a metallic object, the subject would be unable to move. This may also explain how Al sees without eyes. He is actually "seeing" the effect things around him have on Earth's magnetic field or something like that.




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*** Maybe the youngest sibling dropping the piano on their older sibling/s was ''also'' passed down through the Armstrong line? No reason, other than it'd be hilarious.



** This troper says Havoc will meet Becky and cute sparkly love will ensue.
*** Still hope he and Sheska get together. They are pretty much meant for each other, as the pretty nerdy girl that gets unnoticed, and the guy that can't get a girlfriend because no girl really notices his qualities. They'll notice each other and make a geeky couple.

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** * This troper says Havoc will meet Becky and cute sparkly love will ensue.
*** * Still hope he and Sheska get together. They are pretty much meant for each other, as the pretty nerdy girl that gets unnoticed, and the guy that can't get a girlfriend because no girl really notices his qualities. They'll notice each other and make a geeky couple.
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[[WMG: Mustang is actually a closeted gay man.]]
His womanizer persona is a red herring - he overexaggerates his interest in women and the vast number of dates he goes on to dispel any doubts about his sexuality, since being found out in the early 1900s is a court-martial offense. In canon, the only "date" we see him on [[http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pbTeL12jl1U/TmXD-k4h6lI/AAAAAAAAB0Q/wzSHjuMFQK4/s0/027.png/html-text-link.htm 1,]] [[http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1luKdabvpaU/TmXEBa0jqpI/AAAAAAAAB04/fStuSOwkvus/s0/028.png/html-text-link.htm 2]] is with one of the women who works for his aunt, and the "date" part is a cover for the exchange of intel she has collected for him. It's completely likely the rest of the dates he brags about are along the same lines. Being Madame Christmas' foster son, he likely grew up with these women like older sisters. They'd probably be happy to help him hold his cover (also, if they're already providing him with dangerous government secrets, what's one fake date between friends?). His flirting with Riza (or "Elizabeth") over the phone is also just coded information about the mission at hand.
Not to mention his [[HoYay relationship with Hughes]]: the only time he cries in both canons is at Hughes' funeral, and he nearly loses his mind trying to get revenge for Hughes' murder.

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