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5th May '16 2:34:19 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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[[WMG: Philosopher's Stones are based on [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Spiral Power]]]]

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[[WMG: Philosopher's Stones are based on [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Spiral Power]]]]
16th Apr '16 4:56:53 PM beatpole
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Father suceeded in his plan and left Ed just as he left Hoenheim ages ago. Ed's "triumph" is just a HopeSpot. In reality, there is no Reverse Transmutation Circle or it otherwise fails, the victims of Father's Transmutation Circle are all DEAD. Father is now and always God and Ed shoulders the same burden of survivor's guilt that his father bore long ago, wandering the wasteland that used to be Amestris . . . all alone.

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Father suceeded in his plan and left Ed just as he left Hoenheim ages ago. Ed's "triumph" is just a HopeSpot. In reality, there is no Reverse Transmutation Circle or it otherwise fails, the victims of Father's Transmutation Circle are all DEAD. Father is now and always God and Ed shoulders the same burden of survivor's guilt that his father bore long ago, wandering the wasteland that used to be Amestris . . . all alone.alone.
[[WMG: Amestris is Afghanistan]]
In the alternate universe of FMA, Amestris is the geographic equivalency of Afghanistan. Cold and powerful Drachma to the north is Russia, Xing is clearly Chinese and the East Desert separating it from Amestris is the Gobi Desert. Creta is divided into many tribal areas, not unlike northern Pakistan and while it is not currently the case, in ancient times India was a major maritime trade hub due to its favorable geography, not unlike Aerugo. The recently conquered and largely pacifist Ishvalla may be either Tibet or Nepal. Prior to wars with British India and Czarist Russia during the Victorian era, Afghanistan was also a regional military power like Amestris.
3rd Apr '16 6:48:12 AM R.G.
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Father suceeded in his plan and left Ed just as he left Hoenheim ages ago. Ed's "triumph" is just a HopeSpot.

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Father suceeded in his plan and left Ed just as he left Hoenheim ages ago. Ed's "triumph" is just a HopeSpot. In reality, there is no Reverse Transmutation Circle or it otherwise fails, the victims of Father's Transmutation Circle are all DEAD. Father is now and always God and Ed shoulders the same burden of survivor's guilt that his father bore long ago, wandering the wasteland that used to be Amestris . . . all alone.
3rd Apr '16 6:35:12 AM R.G.
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*** It seems more likely that [[spoiler: considering that the gate takes what you value most]] Freeman would have lost his giant sexy brain, or his clobberin' arm. UNLESS. He had... the best voice. [[MusicToInvadePolandTo The best voice.]]
*** Because he is Freeman when he lost his sexy voice they gave it to some other Freeman who the Truth thought needed a sexy voice. Morgan Freeman.

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*** **** It seems more likely that [[spoiler: considering that the gate takes what you value most]] Freeman would have lost his giant sexy brain, or his clobberin' arm. UNLESS. He had... the best voice. [[MusicToInvadePolandTo The best voice.]]
*** ***** Because he is Freeman when he lost his sexy voice they gave it to some other Freeman who the Truth thought needed a sexy voice. Morgan Freeman.



*** Even then, with human transmutation, doesn't the alchemist need to find a way to combine all the different materials cohesively? In the case of an embryo or fetus, all the chemicals and pieces are there, so wouldn't it just be a simple matter of rearranging the DNA?

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*** **** Even then, with human transmutation, doesn't the alchemist need to find a way to combine all the different materials cohesively? In the case of an embryo or fetus, all the chemicals and pieces are there, so wouldn't it just be a simple matter of rearranging the DNA?



*** PhilosophersStone. ''[[Fridge/FullmetalAlchemist The Devil's Research.]]'' Case. Point.

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*** **** PhilosophersStone. ''[[Fridge/FullmetalAlchemist The Devil's Research.]]'' Case. Point.



*** [[spoiler: And AND Al wasn't actually dead. He was taken. There's a significant difference; his body and soul were intact and together, they were just at his Gateway instead of in the world. It's the same reason Ed was able to get his soul out of the Gate as far back as the beginning of the story; because Al was not dead, just gone.]]

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*** **** [[spoiler: And AND Al wasn't actually dead. He was taken. There's a significant difference; his body and soul were intact and together, they were just at his Gateway instead of in the world. It's the same reason Ed was able to get his soul out of the Gate as far back as the beginning of the story; because Al was not dead, just gone.]]



* Izumi's Truth was a female silhouette.

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* * Izumi's Truth was a female silhouette.



*** Indeed, Olivia never said that she wasn't married, though other characters think so, such as her own brother. I can't remember if this scene was in the manga, but it certainly was in the anime: Alex said something along the lines of, "That's why you're not married!" But I totally love this theory; it's what converted me to shipping Miles/Olivia. And, because Olivia appears to be an ice queen (for practical reasons, as well as for the sake of her image, I guess), it would make sense for her to keep her marriage a secret (if she were actually married). Oh, and by the way, Olivia didn't say that she was too old to have kids, just that most other women her age would usually have a kid or two by now.

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*** **** Indeed, Olivia never said that she wasn't married, though other characters think so, such as her own brother. I can't remember if this scene was in the manga, but it certainly was in the anime: Alex said something along the lines of, "That's why you're not married!" But I totally love this theory; it's what converted me to shipping Miles/Olivia. And, because Olivia appears to be an ice queen (for practical reasons, as well as for the sake of her image, I guess), it would make sense for her to keep her marriage a secret (if she were actually married). Oh, and by the way, Olivia didn't say that she was too old to have kids, just that most other women her age would usually have a kid or two by now.



*** I have to agree with the above. Yes, reconstructing a human body, even to look like Trisha Elric, as Ed and Al tried, is possible with Alchemy, and fairly easily at that; what couldn't be reconstructed was the memories, thoughts and feelings of Trisha Elric. The best they could manage would be to place every second of her life story in the brain of the homunculus. Even then, it wouldn't be real.

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*** **** I have to agree with the above. Yes, reconstructing a human body, even to look like Trisha Elric, as Ed and Al tried, is possible with Alchemy, and fairly easily at that; what couldn't be reconstructed was the memories, thoughts and feelings of Trisha Elric. The best they could manage would be to place every second of her life story in the brain of the homunculus. Even then, it wouldn't be real.



*** Also, Riza is a Hungarian version of Thereza.

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*** **** Also, Riza is a Hungarian version of Thereza.



Father suceeded in his plan and left Ed just as he left Hoenheim ages ago. Ed's triumph is just a HopeSpot.

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Father suceeded in his plan and left Ed just as he left Hoenheim ages ago. Ed's triumph "triumph" is just a HopeSpot.
3rd Apr '16 6:34:12 AM R.G.
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Now, the first vice he let go of was Pride, which might actually have been the reason he became (even more) insane in the first place. If we assume that he lost his ability to learn from his vices by seperating them from himself, he had been fighting a battle he already lost from the very beginning. It all boils down to the way you interpret "pride": On one hand, it can mean arrogance, which Pride (and Father) display in spades. But on the other hand, it might run closer along the lines of "being proud of something": Pride/Father just wanted people to be proud of him, to admire him and to look up to him, but he also wanted to be able to be proud of himself. Seeing this is the lesson Father could have learned if he had embraced his pride instead of getting rid of it, which would have meant he would never have done any of the horrible things that happend after Xerxes. Probably this is even the reason why he got rid of his pride first: After thinking about the way humans (collectively) look up to/are proud of people who do good things while looking down on those who kill and do as they please without any regard for the well-being of others, he maybe just couldn't stand that killing all these people in Xerxes actually put him into a position in which most people would look down on him (if he was part of their society, that is - but that's what he ultimately wants.) So in the end, his (and everyone else's) problems started because he was unable to face actually learning from his flaws and mistakes, and in the end he pays the price - even though he could have really become a decent person if he had chosen to act in a way that would allow himself and others to be proud of/admire his actions. It even ties in with the last confrontation Pride has with Kimblee: When he tries to use Ed's body as a container, Kimblee tells him that he looks down on Pride for "giving up his pride as a Humunculus". Pride isn't proud of being a Homunculus/proud of himself, which is why he doesn't see any problem with using Ed's body. He basically has the same problem as Envy, violent overcompensation for actually wanting to live as a human. And on a positive note, Pride is the only Homunculus who doesn't die - and the only one who can really live as a human. So if Father had rather used his pride as a motivation to become a decent person than to act arrogant, he could have reached what he really longed for all this time: A "normal" life, friends and a family. (Sure, he still would've had to deal with the remose of what happened in Xerxes AND he would have lived for a really long time, but the same is true for Hohenheim and even he had a pretty good run and was able to die in peace).

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Now, the first vice he let go of was Pride, which might actually have been the reason he became (even more) insane in the first place. If we assume that he lost his ability to learn from his vices by seperating them from himself, he had been fighting a battle he already lost from the very beginning. It all boils down to the way you interpret "pride": On one hand, it can mean arrogance, which Pride (and Father) display in spades. But on the other hand, it might run closer along the lines of "being proud of something": Pride/Father just wanted people to be proud of him, to admire him and to look up to him, but he also wanted to be able to be proud of himself. Seeing this is the lesson Father could have learned if he had embraced his pride instead of getting rid of it, which would have meant he would never have done any of the horrible things that happend after Xerxes. Probably this is even the reason why he got rid of his pride first: After thinking about the way humans (collectively) look up to/are proud of people who do good things while looking down on those who kill and do as they please without any regard for the well-being of others, he maybe just couldn't stand that killing all these people in Xerxes actually put him into a position in which most people would look down on him (if he was part of their society, that is - but that's what he ultimately wants.) So in the end, his (and everyone else's) problems started because he was unable to face actually learning from his flaws and mistakes, and in the end he pays the price - even though he could have really become a decent person if he had chosen to act in a way that would allow himself and others to be proud of/admire his actions. It even ties in with the last confrontation Pride has with Kimblee: When he tries to use Ed's body as a container, Kimblee tells him that he looks down on Pride for "giving up his pride as a Humunculus". Pride isn't proud of being a Homunculus/proud of himself, which is why he doesn't see any problem with using Ed's body. He basically has the same problem as Envy, violent overcompensation for actually wanting to live as a human. And on a positive note, Pride is the only Homunculus who doesn't die - and the only one who can really live as a human. So if Father had rather used his pride as a motivation to become a decent person than to act arrogant, he could have reached what he really longed for all this time: A "normal" life, friends and a family. (Sure, he still would've had to deal with the remose of what happened in Xerxes AND he would have lived for a really long time, but the same is true for Hohenheim and even he had a pretty good run and was able to die in peace).peace).
[[WMG: Edward Elric is the Last Survivor of Amestris.]]
Father suceeded in his plan and left Ed just as he left Hoenheim ages ago. Ed's triumph is just a HopeSpot.
3rd Jan '16 10:36:07 AM nombretomado
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Sounds a little irrelevant, but I really think that he has it in him. Why? First of all, just look at how much he loves his little brother, to the point where he'd literally die for him. Second, and this one is a little more "meta-ish", but his voice actor is also [[PapaWolf Spirit]] from ''SoulEater'', and [[TeamDad Tamaki]][[note]]To be fair, more of a TeamMom, but considers Haruhi like a "daughter" of sorts[[/note]] in ''OuranHighSchoolHostClub''. Not to mention his general JerkWithAHeartOfGold persona, and the way he really took to Nina and Elicia. Kind of stupid, probably very self-evident, but I still felt the need to mention.

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Sounds a little irrelevant, but I really think that he has it in him. Why? First of all, just look at how much he loves his little brother, to the point where he'd literally die for him. Second, and this one is a little more "meta-ish", but his voice actor is also [[PapaWolf Spirit]] from ''SoulEater'', ''Manga/SoulEater'', and [[TeamDad Tamaki]][[note]]To be fair, more of a TeamMom, but considers Haruhi like a "daughter" of sorts[[/note]] in ''OuranHighSchoolHostClub''.''Manga/OuranHighSchoolHostClub''. Not to mention his general JerkWithAHeartOfGold persona, and the way he really took to Nina and Elicia. Kind of stupid, probably very self-evident, but I still felt the need to mention.
20th Dec '15 8:09:09 PM Cleric_Quarion
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*Yes, if their body is intact enough - and in that case you wouldn't need alchemy, you'd just have to use whatever cocktail of drugs doctors use when someone flatlines during surgery.
20th Dec '15 7:24:33 PM Cleric_Quarion
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**That, or a 'soul' is simply the electrical energy inherent in the brain of a sentient lifeform, since the only tried-and-tested way of making new souls is to make new people. Thus, the reason people can't bring dead souls back is a) they're trying to collect something fully formed rather than recreate something; b) even if they did try to remake the soul, they're trying to make something that doesn't exist, like a transmutation aiming to make elemental water would always fail - water isn't an element and a 'soul' is just a pattern of electrons; c) even if you did just try to make the brain of the person exactly how it was, you cannot know enough about that brain without having done the ''most'' in-depth MRI scan possible at the ''instant'' of death or being a deity-level being whose job it is to know ''literally everything about literally everything.'' Thus, the closest humans can come to playing with souls is either creating new ones, as humans do, or moving the energy keeping a 'soul' in someone's body to the centre of a transmutation circle - resulting in a braindead person and a Philosopher's Stone.

Admittedly this hypothesis doesn't explain inter-soul conflict or how a soul can retain its form long for five minutes, let alone five centuries, but it fits close enough to the rest of it that someone else can figure that out.
11th Nov '15 6:32:05 PM loulikessoup
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They're prince and princess of their respective clans, both in line for the throne that would likely only be allowed to go to the emperor's direct descendents. I gotta say, with 50 clans in Xing, that emperor sure gets around.

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They're prince and princess of their respective clans, both in line for the throne that would likely only be allowed to go to the emperor's direct descendents. I gotta say, with 50 clans in Xing, that emperor sure gets around.around.

[[WMG: Father letting go of Pride is what made him fail to become "human"]]
Okay, this might be fairly confusing, but bear with me:
As we see in the end, all the Homunculi (and Father) actually wanted was to be human, to have friends and families and to understand what it's like to be human (Who could better understand what being human is about than an actual human?). Though it's not explicitly stated for every one of them, it's safe to assume they all have similar desires. Now, Father acts according to the seven deadly vices even after he let go of them (He seeks power at all costs/Greed; views humans as "ants"/Pride; devours souls with no self-control/Gluttony; has a desire for a family like humans/Envy; prefers to let others do his bidding for him/Sloth; feels anger towards any opposition, principally Hohenheim/Wrath; and lusts after becoming a perfect being/Lust). It may be that by letting go of his vices, he didn't actually get rid of the "flaws" that come with them, but the ability to learn from them and therefore be "human". We get some evidence of that as he takes back Greed for a short time, during which he acts a lot more friendly towards others than before and after (by his standards, which doesn't say much, but it's still there. And Greed just wants to make friends). After all, being a good person is not about having no flaws, but rather about overcoming them (as is the moral of this story). This might also be the reason why the other Homunculi all die rather peacefully, or are at least redeemed by death, since they all learn something about being human before dying. Father doesn't learn, and for him death is horrible.
Now, the first vice he let go of was Pride, which might actually have been the reason he became (even more) insane in the first place. If we assume that he lost his ability to learn from his vices by seperating them from himself, he had been fighting a battle he already lost from the very beginning. It all boils down to the way you interpret "pride": On one hand, it can mean arrogance, which Pride (and Father) display in spades. But on the other hand, it might run closer along the lines of "being proud of something": Pride/Father just wanted people to be proud of him, to admire him and to look up to him, but he also wanted to be able to be proud of himself. Seeing this is the lesson Father could have learned if he had embraced his pride instead of getting rid of it, which would have meant he would never have done any of the horrible things that happend after Xerxes. Probably this is even the reason why he got rid of his pride first: After thinking about the way humans (collectively) look up to/are proud of people who do good things while looking down on those who kill and do as they please without any regard for the well-being of others, he maybe just couldn't stand that killing all these people in Xerxes actually put him into a position in which most people would look down on him (if he was part of their society, that is - but that's what he ultimately wants.) So in the end, his (and everyone else's) problems started because he was unable to face actually learning from his flaws and mistakes, and in the end he pays the price - even though he could have really become a decent person if he had chosen to act in a way that would allow himself and others to be proud of/admire his actions. It even ties in with the last confrontation Pride has with Kimblee: When he tries to use Ed's body as a container, Kimblee tells him that he looks down on Pride for "giving up his pride as a Humunculus". Pride isn't proud of being a Homunculus/proud of himself, which is why he doesn't see any problem with using Ed's body. He basically has the same problem as Envy, violent overcompensation for actually wanting to live as a human. And on a positive note, Pride is the only Homunculus who doesn't die - and the only one who can really live as a human. So if Father had rather used his pride as a motivation to become a decent person than to act arrogant, he could have reached what he really longed for all this time: A "normal" life, friends and a family. (Sure, he still would've had to deal with the remose of what happened in Xerxes AND he would have lived for a really long time, but the same is true for Hohenheim and even he had a pretty good run and was able to die in peace).
20th Oct '15 1:02:21 PM Willbyr
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** And becomes even more hilarious if you read the first chapter of ShanghaiYoumaKikai (another manga by Hiromu Arakawa). There's literally a sparkling vampire there, and he seems to be related to the Armstrong family somehow...

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** And becomes even more hilarious if you read the first chapter of ShanghaiYoumaKikai ''Manga/ShanghaiYoumaKikai'' (another manga by Hiromu Arakawa). There's literally a sparkling vampire there, and he seems to be related to the Armstrong family somehow...
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