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[[WMG: Naota is some sort of alternate version of [[Videogame/EarthBound Ness]]]]
Naota's mother is never seen in the series because she is another version of Ness's father, who is never seen in Videogame/EarthBound. Haruko is a personification of the meteorite from Earthbound: Naota's life appears normal until she shows up, just as Ness's was until the meteorite landed near his house. The portal in Naota's head. All the robots appearing are caused by Giygas, who has power over all universes, not just the Videogame/EarthBound one. Giygas's defeat in the Videogame/EarthBound universe causes things to stop coming out of Naota's head. Also, Naota wields a baseball bat at some point.
Naota's mother is never seen in the series because she is another version of Ness's father, who is never seen in Videogame/EarthBound. Haruko is a personification of the meteorite from Earthbound: Naota's life appears normal until she shows up, just as Ness's was until the meteorite landed near his house. The portal in Naota's head. All the robots appearing are caused by Giygas, who has power over all universes, not just the Videogame/EarthBound one. Giygas's defeat in the Videogame/EarthBound universe causes things to stop coming out of Naota's head. Also, Naota wields a baseball bat at some point.
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[[WMG: Naota and Haruko are a previous iteration of Kyon and LightNovel/{{Haruhi Suzumiya}} ]]
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[[WMG: Naota and Haruko are a previous iteration of Kyon and LightNovel/{{Haruhi Literature/{{Haruhi Suzumiya}} ]]
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The manga, though... That stuff's just a MindScrew that takes the [[MindScrew randomness]] and sexual subtext UpToEleven.
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The manga, though... That stuff's just a MindScrew that takes the [[MindScrew randomness]] and sexual subtext UpToEleven.
up to eleven.
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** Is it? Or was that [[MindScrew just another layer of the deception]]?
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* ...Nah.
* I will counter the above person by agreeing that people read entirely too much into an anime about a coming of age story with random crazy things thrown in to amuse us. :) Sometimes a giant iron is just a giant iron.
* Actually Kazuya Tsurumaki himself aimed to give the giant iron a symbolical meaning... which is blatantly obvious too. Go check the DVD commentary.
* I will counter the above person by agreeing that people read entirely too much into an anime about a coming of age story with random crazy things thrown in to amuse us. :) Sometimes a giant iron is just a giant iron.
* Actually Kazuya Tsurumaki himself aimed to give the giant iron a symbolical meaning... which is blatantly obvious too. Go check the DVD commentary.
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* I am now totally behind this theory. She must be one of the ones who stared into the void and went crazy. Bet she'd get along great with the Master.
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So think about it. There is a war going on between Atomsk and Medical Mechanica. It is said that Atomsk is capable of stealing whole solar systems, which he does in order to gain enough power to defeat his rivals. But when you think about it, stealing a solar system cant really make a being any more powerful, what really is important is the N.O energy that's on each solar systems. Apparently one source of such N.O power are human beings. Nonetheless, such power needs a catalyst to come into view. Everytime there is a sudden discharge of N.O in Mabase, for reasons I haven't thought about, the sirens of the Medical Mechanica building go off. Theres also the steam thing but I haven't bother thinking about it either. Atomsk and the command of Medical Mechanica probably exists in a higher level of existence, both being some sort of integrated data entities. So to act in the physical world they need to use proxies. Such as aliens like Haruko, humans like Naota, or robots like Canti.
So what I am driving at is that, basically Medical Machina has black mailed every planet under its control to build or host the iron building. Every time a planet is about to be lost to Atomsk, in order to stop him from becoming more powerful, the iron building activate destroying complete worlds (which to some may seem like a random act), completely flattening their surfaces. This is done because, according to the universal law of cool, its the only way to safeguard (or destroy) the N.O away from The Pirate King.
So what I am driving at is that, basically Medical Machina has black mailed every planet under its control to build or host the iron building. Every time a planet is about to be lost to Atomsk, in order to stop him from becoming more powerful, the iron building activate destroying complete worlds (which to some may seem like a random act), completely flattening their surfaces. This is done because, according to the universal law of cool, its the only way to safeguard (or destroy) the N.O away from The Pirate King.
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So think about it. There is a war going on between Atomsk and Medical Mechanica. It is said that Atomsk is capable of stealing whole solar systems, which he does in order to gain enough power to defeat his rivals. systems. But when you think about it, stealing a solar system cant can't really make a being any more powerful, what really is important is the N.O energy that's on each solar systems. Apparently one source of such N.O power are human beings. Nonetheless, such power needs a catalyst to come into view. Everytime there is a sudden discharge of N.O in Mabase, for reasons I haven't thought about, the sirens of the Medical Mechanica building go off. Theres also the steam thing but I haven't bother thinking about it either. Atomsk and the command of Medical Mechanica probably exists in a higher level of existence, both being some sort of integrated data entities. So to act in the physical world they need to use proxies. Such as aliens like Haruko, humans like Naota, or robots like Canti.
So what I am driving at is that, basically Medical Machina has black mailed every planet under its control to build or host the iron building. Every time a planet is about to be lost to Atomsk, in order to stop him from becoming more powerful, the iron building activate destroying complete worlds (which to some may seem like a random act), completely flattening their surfaces. This is done because, according to the universal law of cool,its it's the only way to safeguard (or destroy) the N.O away from The Pirate King.
So what I am driving at is that, basically Medical Machina has black mailed every planet under its control to build or host the iron building. Every time a planet is about to be lost to Atomsk, in order to stop him from becoming more powerful, the iron building activate destroying complete worlds (which to some may seem like a random act), completely flattening their surfaces. This is done because, according to the universal law of cool,
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Given that Creator/ProductionIG had involvement with it's animation, as well as its really underground and bizarre style, this looks like something that MamoruOshii would have directed.
Given that Creator/ProductionIG had involvement with it's animation, as well as its really underground and bizarre style, this looks like something that MamoruOshii would have directed.
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Given that Creator/ProductionIG had involvement with it's animation, as well as its really underground and bizarre style, this looks like something thatMamoruOshii Mamoru Oshii would have directed.directed.
Given that Creator/ProductionIG had involvement with it's animation, as well as its really underground and bizarre style, this looks like something that
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[[WMG:...A post WW2 Series cleverly disguised as a coming of age story.]]
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[[WMG:...A post WW2 Series [=WW2=] series cleverly disguised as a coming of age story.]]
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Naota is a larval dimensional wasp (you know, the kind that when they lay their eggs in people, the eggs turn into universes?). [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic Vespa]]-girl is a mature specimen of the species, and Naota's brother is (or was, assuming Haruko is his mature form and the reminiscence was something spiritual rather than similar) the thing under the steam iron (he was taken away two years ago, and they told Naota that he was going to America to be baseball player [[GenreSavvy to keep him from trying to uncover the conspiracy]]). Since Haruko was ''trying'' to create a portal instread of a universe, she had to lay her egg in one of the larvae of her own species (due to the formation of the brain, and its ability to cogitate without one), since it would have just killed a human or made a new universe all folded in on itself if laid in the larva of a universe moth.\\
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Naota is a larval dimensional wasp (you know, the kind that when they lay their eggs in people, the eggs turn into universes?). [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic Vespa]]-girl is a mature specimen of the species, and Naota's brother is (or was, assuming Haruko is his mature form and the reminiscence was something spiritual rather than similar) the thing under the steam iron (he was taken away two years ago, and they told Naota that he was going to America to be baseball player [[GenreSavvy to keep him from trying to uncover the conspiracy]]).conspiracy). Since Haruko was ''trying'' to create a portal instread of a universe, she had to lay her egg in one of the larvae of her own species (due to the formation of the brain, and its ability to cogitate without one), since it would have just killed a human or made a new universe all folded in on itself if laid in the larva of a universe moth.\\
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The manga, though... That stuff's just a MindScrew that takes the [[MindScrew randomness]] and [[FreudWasRight sexual subtext]] UpToEleven.
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The manga, though... That stuff's just a MindScrew that takes the [[MindScrew randomness]] and [[FreudWasRight sexual subtext]] subtext UpToEleven.
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[[WMG: Atmosk s related to the [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Anti-Spiral]]]]
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[[WMG: Atmosk s related to the [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Anti-Spiral]]]]
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Even though ''FLCL'' is supposed to be a comedy, the environment is way too similar to the gloomy Main/AfterTheEnd setting of ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'', Main/StudioGainax's previous project. In fact, despite the "weird" elements like the iron-shaped factory, it's even ''darker'' at times. The surreal art resembles, at least to this editor, Shinji's Instrumentality-induced visions in episodes 25-26.
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Even though ''FLCL'' is supposed to be a comedy, the environment is way too similar to the gloomy Main/AfterTheEnd setting of ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'', Main/StudioGainax's Creator/StudioGainax's previous project. In fact, despite the "weird" elements like the iron-shaped factory, it's even ''darker'' at times. The surreal art resembles, at least to this editor, Shinji's Instrumentality-induced visions in episodes 25-26.
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* FLCL takes place between the very beginning of episode 1 of TTGL and the opening. The Space Pirate Atomsk is the leader of the Spiral Fleet that was wiped out. Medical Mechanica is a gatekeeper race created by the anti spirals used to keep that paralell earths spiral energy down.
[[WMG:Atomsk is Nagare Ryoma from ''GetterRobo'']]
[[WMG:Atomsk is Nagare Ryoma from ''GetterRobo'']]
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* FLCL takes place between the very beginning of episode 1 of TTGL and the opening. The Space Pirate Atomsk is the leader of the Spiral Fleet that was wiped out. Medical Mechanica is a gatekeeper race created by the anti spirals used to keep that paralell parallel earths spiral energy down.
[[WMG:Atomsk is Nagare Ryoma from''GetterRobo'']]''Manga/GetterRobo'']]
[[WMG:Atomsk is Nagare Ryoma from
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Given that ProductionIG had involvement with it's animation, as well as its really underground and bizarre style, this looks like something that MamoruOshii would have directed.
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[[WMG: Atomsk is the weaponized, diefied PowerOfLove.]]
Think about it. Every time Naota is able to access the power of Atomsk, it is due to him experiencing feelings for others. He unleashes Atomsk's true form when he admits his real feelings for Haruka. Throughout the series we're given the impression that Haruka is in love with Atomsk, until she admits she simply wants its power. But because Haruka is effectively, TheSociopath, and misunderstands what Atomsk is and how it works, she will never be able to experience its power for herself.
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*Wierd formatting, but bear with me on this:
I think you are right here but I want to analyze it more, if I may. Some stuff would definitely come off worse in terms of Haruko and Mamimi; but if you changed certain elements in the story so it wasn't just abut putting Naoto in a skirt, then I feel like in a lot of ways, it could have been about a female protagonist much more easily. At least if they were to down play or change the freudian subtext a bit to make it revelant:
**Naoto would make a pretty paint by the numbers protagonist; a lone and bored girl living with her mother and wishing for more in life but unable to take action. If anything, female!Naoto might be subject to accusations of being too passive until the ending.
**Ninamori could be played a few ways but I suspect it would be a serious young boy who is pushing himself too hard to succeed and sort of has a crush on Naoto while being his age. Defrost the Iceking, maybe? But that seems sort of stock-y still in terms of Shojo. Definitely would make a good foil/implied romantic interest with Naoto and in the original series she was already sort of his distaff counterpart (very serious, distrusting adults and bored).
**Haruko is the dark and mysterious stranger come to liven up Naoto's life. The Sexual themes would definitely either have to be played down or come off pretty creepy though. That said, I don't know if that would stop them... but they'd have to play it well.
**On the other hand, Mamimi is definitely the wierdest and it feels like she'd either have to be changed to be hiding his damage better and trying to be like a big brother rather than treating Naoto like a gold fish or else aged down (with all the changes that implies) or kept female, since there is definitely some doublestandard when it comes to what she gets away with; if an older wierd guy (especially a pyromaniac was feeling up a young girl who reminded him of her departed sister? Yeah, no. That would be waaaaay too dark.
The rest though seems like with the right changes in symbolism and some character modification, it could be a story about female!Naoto growing up and learning to take step up and take charge for herself without relying on a shifty guy like male!Haruko, while also growing to the stage where she could have a relationship on equal terms with male!Ninamori or go on her own adventures like male!Haruko.
It's not necessarily the case that all this would be what comes of it, but it would be interesting.
I think you are right here but I want to analyze it more, if I may. Some stuff would definitely come off worse in terms of Haruko and Mamimi; but if you changed certain elements in the story so it wasn't just abut putting Naoto in a skirt, then I feel like in a lot of ways, it could have been about a female protagonist much more easily. At least if they were to down play or change the freudian subtext a bit to make it revelant:
**Naoto would make a pretty paint by the numbers protagonist; a lone and bored girl living with her mother and wishing for more in life but unable to take action. If anything, female!Naoto might be subject to accusations of being too passive until the ending.
**Ninamori could be played a few ways but I suspect it would be a serious young boy who is pushing himself too hard to succeed and sort of has a crush on Naoto while being his age. Defrost the Iceking, maybe? But that seems sort of stock-y still in terms of Shojo. Definitely would make a good foil/implied romantic interest with Naoto and in the original series she was already sort of his distaff counterpart (very serious, distrusting adults and bored).
**Haruko is the dark and mysterious stranger come to liven up Naoto's life. The Sexual themes would definitely either have to be played down or come off pretty creepy though. That said, I don't know if that would stop them... but they'd have to play it well.
**On the other hand, Mamimi is definitely the wierdest and it feels like she'd either have to be changed to be hiding his damage better and trying to be like a big brother rather than treating Naoto like a gold fish or else aged down (with all the changes that implies) or kept female, since there is definitely some doublestandard when it comes to what she gets away with; if an older wierd guy (especially a pyromaniac was feeling up a young girl who reminded him of her departed sister? Yeah, no. That would be waaaaay too dark.
The rest though seems like with the right changes in symbolism and some character modification, it could be a story about female!Naoto growing up and learning to take step up and take charge for herself without relying on a shifty guy like male!Haruko, while also growing to the stage where she could have a relationship on equal terms with male!Ninamori or go on her own adventures like male!Haruko.
It's not necessarily the case that all this would be what comes of it, but it would be interesting.
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[[WMG: Naota is some sort of alternate version of [[EarthBound Ness]]]]
Naota's mother is never seen in the series because she is another version of Ness's father, who is never seen in EarthBound. Haruko is a personification of the meteorite from Earthbound: Naota's life appears normal until she shows up, just as Ness's was until the meteorite landed near his house. The portal in Naota's head. All the robots appearing are caused by Giygas, who has power over all universes, not just the EarthBound one. Giygas's defeat in the EarthBound universe causes things to stop coming out of Naota's head. Also, Naota wields a baseball bat at some point.
Naota's mother is never seen in the series because she is another version of Ness's father, who is never seen in EarthBound. Haruko is a personification of the meteorite from Earthbound: Naota's life appears normal until she shows up, just as Ness's was until the meteorite landed near his house. The portal in Naota's head. All the robots appearing are caused by Giygas, who has power over all universes, not just the EarthBound one. Giygas's defeat in the EarthBound universe causes things to stop coming out of Naota's head. Also, Naota wields a baseball bat at some point.
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[[WMG: Naota is some sort of alternate version of [[EarthBound [[Videogame/EarthBound Ness]]]]
Naota's mother is never seen in the series because she is another version of Ness's father, who is never seen inEarthBound.Videogame/EarthBound. Haruko is a personification of the meteorite from Earthbound: Naota's life appears normal until she shows up, just as Ness's was until the meteorite landed near his house. The portal in Naota's head. All the robots appearing are caused by Giygas, who has power over all universes, not just the EarthBound Videogame/EarthBound one. Giygas's defeat in the EarthBound Videogame/EarthBound universe causes things to stop coming out of Naota's head. Also, Naota wields a baseball bat at some point.
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[[WMG: Ninamori's parents will have more problems in a few years, causing Ninamori to run away and spend the night at Noata's place.]]
Ninamori is exactly the sort of girl who would run away and seek solace in her boyfriend because of her issues with her parents, even to the point of having sex to seek affection. Now, Naota's too kind to take advantage of Ninamori that way, but considering how much Naota hates Mabase, promising to elope with her and never return to Mabase once they graduate sounds exactly like something Naota would suggest and Ninamori would agree to. [[SpannerInTheWorks What effect Haruko returning would have on that scenario is not clear.]]
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[[WMG: FLCL stands for...]
Flame. Liquor. with Coke. and LSD.
It's what the creators were drinking when making the series and thought it would sound cool.
Flame. Liquor. with Coke. and LSD.
It's what the creators were drinking when making the series and thought it would sound cool.
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[[WMG: FLCL is either a sequel or an alternate universe to ''{{Main/TengenToppaGurrenLagann}}'']]
They're both by {{Main/StudioGainax}}, and they're both anti-Evangelions, so why not? They even have a lot of parallels, particularly since Naota and Simon are less-scrappy expies of Shinji. FLCL could be what TTGL would've been had Gunmen never been invented: the anti-Spirals come in the form of Medical Mechanical, and it's up to Haruko and her concentrated Spiral Energy to free Atomsk, who is pretty much pure Spiral Energy. Or, alternatively, FLCL takes place sometime in the future after the Anti-Spirals are defeated; they try again, this time in a different manner to get past the radar. No Beastmen are there because they either all died out (save for Viral, who's off in space anyway) or simply don't get any screen time. And yes, this came from the ''TTGL'' page.
They're both by {{Main/StudioGainax}}, and they're both anti-Evangelions, so why not? They even have a lot of parallels, particularly since Naota and Simon are less-scrappy expies of Shinji. FLCL could be what TTGL would've been had Gunmen never been invented: the anti-Spirals come in the form of Medical Mechanical, and it's up to Haruko and her concentrated Spiral Energy to free Atomsk, who is pretty much pure Spiral Energy. Or, alternatively, FLCL takes place sometime in the future after the Anti-Spirals are defeated; they try again, this time in a different manner to get past the radar. No Beastmen are there because they either all died out (save for Viral, who's off in space anyway) or simply don't get any screen time. And yes, this came from the ''TTGL'' page.
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[[WMG: FLCL is either a sequel or an alternate universe to ''{{Main/TengenToppaGurrenLagann}}'']]
''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'']]
They're both by{{Main/StudioGainax}}, Creator/StudioGainax, and they're both anti-Evangelions, so why not? They even have a lot of parallels, particularly since Naota and Simon are less-scrappy expies of Shinji. FLCL could be what TTGL would've been had Gunmen never been invented: the anti-Spirals come in the form of Medical Mechanical, and it's up to Haruko and her concentrated Spiral Energy to free Atomsk, who is pretty much pure Spiral Energy. Or, alternatively, FLCL takes place sometime in the future after the Anti-Spirals are defeated; they try again, this time in a different manner to get past the radar. No Beastmen are there because they either all died out (save for Viral, who's off in space anyway) or simply don't get any screen time. And yes, this came from the ''TTGL'' page.
They're both by
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* Or the staff saw how badly ''ExcelSaga'' fizzled out by being stretched to 26 episodes and decided brevity was wiser.
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[[WMG:FLCL is a sequel to SerialExperimentsLain]]
Things all seem ''relatively'' normal at the end of Lain, however Lain, forever failing to set things exactly right, set off a butterfly effect reaction when she talked with Alice on the bridge in the final episode, which eventually led to components of a video game in The Wired, specifically the one Mamimi is shown playing, to escape from The Wired into "the real world" and cause chaos and insanity for Naoto.
Things all seem ''relatively'' normal at the end of Lain, however Lain, forever failing to set things exactly right, set off a butterfly effect reaction when she talked with Alice on the bridge in the final episode, which eventually led to components of a video game in The Wired, specifically the one Mamimi is shown playing, to escape from The Wired into "the real world" and cause chaos and insanity for Naoto.
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[[WMG: Anime segments in the manga]]
In the future, when holograms have been perfected, there will be sudden, unexpected 3D animated scenes inside of the printed pages. They could already put anime scenes in an e-book.
In the future, when holograms have been perfected, there will be sudden, unexpected 3D animated scenes inside of the printed pages. They could already put anime scenes in an e-book.
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[[WMG:...is a sequel to ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'' taking place entirely within Instrumentality.]]
Even though ''FLCL'' is supposed to be a comedy, the environment is way too similar to the gloomy Main/AfterTheEnd setting of ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'', Main/StudioGainax's previous project. In fact, despite the "weird" elements like the iron-shaped factory, it's even ''darker'' at times. The surreal art resembles, at least to this editor, Shinji's Instrumentality-induced visions in episodes 25-26.
Even though ''FLCL'' is supposed to be a comedy, the environment is way too similar to the gloomy Main/AfterTheEnd setting of ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'', Main/StudioGainax's previous project. In fact, despite the "weird" elements like the iron-shaped factory, it's even ''darker'' at times. The surreal art resembles, at least to this editor, Shinji's Instrumentality-induced visions in episodes 25-26.
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[[WMG:...is a sequel to ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'' ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' taking place entirely within Instrumentality.]]
Even though ''FLCL'' is supposed to be a comedy, the environment is way too similar to the gloomy Main/AfterTheEnd setting of''NeonGenesisEvangelion'', ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'', Main/StudioGainax's previous project. In fact, despite the "weird" elements like the iron-shaped factory, it's even ''darker'' at times. The surreal art resembles, at least to this editor, Shinji's Instrumentality-induced visions in episodes 25-26.
Even though ''FLCL'' is supposed to be a comedy, the environment is way too similar to the gloomy Main/AfterTheEnd setting of
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