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The fight against Gravelord Nito is very similar to the situation in the LeeroyJenkinsVideo; you have to move carefully, or else you'll stir up all sorts of powerful mooks (in this case, [[DemBones skeletal ones]] rather than dragon whelps) who will overwhelm you with numbers. Paladin Leeroy, [[LeeroyJenkins being what he is]], would make a habit of doing this each and every single time he faced Nito. He would do it alone, sometimes he would try and summon phantoms for help, and sometimes he would become a phantom himself, just so he could somehow defeat the Gravelord, and failed every single time for his reckless behavior. And after trying and failing so much while in the company of others, other Undead adventurers eventually learned that he's bad news and thus refuse to summon or assist him. Which leaves Leeroy, who never learned his lesson, in a bad situation; he lost so much humanity that he was in danger of going hollow. Thus his invasion of you is one last-ditch effort to try and get some humanity and keep his mind from cracking, since he could no longer get it by being summoned.
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The fight against Gravelord Nito is very similar to the situation in the LeeroyJenkinsVideo; WebVideo/LeeroyJenkinsVideo; you have to move carefully, or else you'll stir up all sorts of powerful mooks (in this case, [[DemBones skeletal ones]] rather than dragon whelps) who will overwhelm you with numbers. Paladin Leeroy, [[LeeroyJenkins being what he is]], would make a habit of doing this each and every single time he faced Nito. He would do it alone, sometimes he would try and summon phantoms for help, and sometimes he would become a phantom himself, just so he could somehow defeat the Gravelord, and failed every single time for his reckless behavior. And after trying and failing so much while in the company of others, other Undead adventurers eventually learned that he's bad news and thus refuse to summon or assist him. Which leaves Leeroy, who never learned his lesson, in a bad situation; he lost so much humanity that he was in danger of going hollow. Thus his invasion of you is one last-ditch effort to try and get some humanity and keep his mind from cracking, since he could no longer get it by being summoned.
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We know that the hollowing process can be accelerated or even immediately brought on by severe despair and/or a lack of purpose and reason to live. It may be that the Hollows outside the ruins were the adventurers who tried and failed to go through the city, but if so, wouldn't they have just died in the city rather than coming back out? My theory is that one of two situations occured-either people had been milling about near the elevator to Firelink Shrine on the day the city was flooded, or, if the Darkwraiths had started attacking at this point, they knew about the elevator and tried to escape. Then, suddenly, the city gets flooded. In an instant, right before their eyes, every single person these people ever knew is dead, and the city where they've spent their lives is completely ruined. Those who don't care about such things would have likely left through the Firelink elevator or Valley of Drakes shortcut and never come back, while for those who did, the elimination of everyone and everything you ever knew or cared about would be enough for them to sink into despair and become Hollow. Thus they sat there for years on end, until you come along and murder them for their souls.
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We know that the hollowing process can be accelerated or even immediately brought on by severe despair and/or a lack of purpose and reason to live. It may be that the Hollows outside the ruins were the adventurers who tried and failed to go through the city, but if so, wouldn't they have just died in the city rather than coming back out? My theory is that one of two situations occured-either people had been milling about near the elevator to Firelink Shrine on the day the city was flooded, or, if the Darkwraiths had started attacking at this point, they knew about the elevator and tried to escape. Then, suddenly, the city gets flooded. In an instant, right before their eyes, every single person these people ever knew is dead, and the city where they've spent their lives is completely ruined. Those who don't care about such things would have likely left through the Firelink elevator or Valley of Drakes shortcut and never come back, while for those who did, the elimination of everyone and everything you ever knew or cared about would be enough for them to sink into despair and become Hollow. Thus they sat there for years on end, until you come along and murder them for their souls.souls.
[[WMG: The First Flame waned because of Gwyn's actions.]]
When Gwyn found the First Flame in the Kiln, the four Lord Souls were with it. He and his comrades split up the souls (except the Dark Soul, snatched by the Furtive Pygmy) and used the Flame to defeat the Ancient Dragons and put an end to the age of Ancients. But in doing so, he directly caused the Fire to begin to die out. Why were the Lord Souls with the First Flame to begin with? Think about how he tried to stave off the Flame's eventual burning out - by using his ''own soul'' as fuel. The one thing that could have revived the Flame and permanently prevent an end to his Age of Fire is the one thing he didn't think of, or otherwise rejected because it would mean giving up the power he fought so hard for. The Lord Souls were the original fuel used to keep the First Flame lit, and by taking the souls, the Flame no longer had a sufficient fuel source. Additionally, using his own soul was insufficient because it needed the Lord Souls - even Gwyn's soul isn't truly immortal, and he would eventually pass on from the world even without the Flame. The three Lord Souls that can be collected return in ''Dark Souls II'', despite them being burned in the Lordvessel. All of this points to the Lord Souls being able to repair themselves or be reborn while most souls either linger as shades or pass on to the next world.
[[WMG: The First Flame waned because of Gwyn's actions.]]
When Gwyn found the First Flame in the Kiln, the four Lord Souls were with it. He and his comrades split up the souls (except the Dark Soul, snatched by the Furtive Pygmy) and used the Flame to defeat the Ancient Dragons and put an end to the age of Ancients. But in doing so, he directly caused the Fire to begin to die out. Why were the Lord Souls with the First Flame to begin with? Think about how he tried to stave off the Flame's eventual burning out - by using his ''own soul'' as fuel. The one thing that could have revived the Flame and permanently prevent an end to his Age of Fire is the one thing he didn't think of, or otherwise rejected because it would mean giving up the power he fought so hard for. The Lord Souls were the original fuel used to keep the First Flame lit, and by taking the souls, the Flame no longer had a sufficient fuel source. Additionally, using his own soul was insufficient because it needed the Lord Souls - even Gwyn's soul isn't truly immortal, and he would eventually pass on from the world even without the Flame. The three Lord Souls that can be collected return in ''Dark Souls II'', despite them being burned in the Lordvessel. All of this points to the Lord Souls being able to repair themselves or be reborn while most souls either linger as shades or pass on to the next world.
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[[WMG: Alternatively, Andre of Astora is Gwyn's firstborn.]]
Granted, this is based on dummied-out content, and a possible DevelopmentGag. During the design stages of the game, Andre was supposed to reside near where the Lordvessel is placed [[spoiler:outside of the Kiln of the First Flame]] and would have explicitly been referred to as Gwyn's son. He would take the Lord Souls from the player and pull a statue out of the way so the doors could be opened. However, this part of the story was trimmed down to avoid adding another character so close to the end of the game and, rather than waste the character, was relocated to the Undead Parish as the first blacksmith the player normally encounters.
The main evidence supporting this is that an otherwise unassuming blacksmith has possession of the [[spoiler:Crest of Artorias]], which is required to get to the boss holding the key to [[spoiler:The Four Kings]]. In the final version of the game, the firstborn's true name was taken from him and he was cast out of Anor Londo, stripped of his deity status. Why would a simple blacksmith be holding onto such an important item, if not because it is the last piece of his birthright? It's possible that it was simply passed to him, but also seems likely that he took it with him when he left. That way, he could give it to someone strong enough to get the items needed to face Gwyn.
Granted, this is based on dummied-out content, and a possible DevelopmentGag. During the design stages of the game, Andre was supposed to reside near where the Lordvessel is placed [[spoiler:outside of the Kiln of the First Flame]] and would have explicitly been referred to as Gwyn's son. He would take the Lord Souls from the player and pull a statue out of the way so the doors could be opened. However, this part of the story was trimmed down to avoid adding another character so close to the end of the game and, rather than waste the character, was relocated to the Undead Parish as the first blacksmith the player normally encounters.
The main evidence supporting this is that an otherwise unassuming blacksmith has possession of the [[spoiler:Crest of Artorias]], which is required to get to the boss holding the key to [[spoiler:The Four Kings]]. In the final version of the game, the firstborn's true name was taken from him and he was cast out of Anor Londo, stripped of his deity status. Why would a simple blacksmith be holding onto such an important item, if not because it is the last piece of his birthright? It's possible that it was simply passed to him, but also seems likely that he took it with him when he left. That way, he could give it to someone strong enough to get the items needed to face Gwyn.
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Humanities are shards of the Pigmy's Dark Soul, and their excessive consumption is capable of awekening the Dark Soul in a human. Kaathe, Frampt and other serpents made a pact with the Furtive Pygmy, according tow which the Pygmy's descendant, the Dark Lord, would end the Age of Fire and gods' reign and would help the serpents come to power instead. And they, in return, would guide his descendants towards that goal. Frampt betrayed his promise and sided with Gwyn, his traitorous nature further reinforced in the Dark Lord ending, where he bows before the player who has done exactly the opposite of what he allegedly wanted them to do. Kaathe, on the other hand, stayed true to the promise and everything he has done in Oolacile and New Londo, including establishing the Darkwraith covenant, was to awaken the Dark Soul and bring about the Dark Lord. Finaly, in the ending, the serpents say "Our Lord has returned", signifying that the Pygmy's soul has been reborn in the Chosen Undead.
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Humanities are shards of the Pigmy's Pygmy's Dark Soul, and their excessive consumption is capable of awekening the Dark Soul in a human. Kaathe, Frampt and other serpents made a pact with the Furtive Pygmy, according tow which the Pygmy's descendant, the Dark Lord, would end the Age of Fire and gods' reign and would help the serpents come to power instead. And they, in return, would guide his descendants towards that goal. Frampt betrayed his promise and sided with Gwyn, his traitorous nature further reinforced in the Dark Lord ending, where he bows before the player who has done exactly the opposite of what he allegedly wanted them to do. Kaathe, on the other hand, stayed true to the promise and everything he has done in Oolacile and New Londo, including establishing the Darkwraith covenant, was to awaken the Dark Soul and bring about the Dark Lord. Finaly, in the ending, the serpents say "Our Lord has returned", signifying that the Pygmy's soul has been reborn in the Chosen Undead.Undead.
[[WMG: The Hollows outside of the New Londo Ruins are the ones who made it out.]]
We know that the hollowing process can be accelerated or even immediately brought on by severe despair and/or a lack of purpose and reason to live. It may be that the Hollows outside the ruins were the adventurers who tried and failed to go through the city, but if so, wouldn't they have just died in the city rather than coming back out? My theory is that one of two situations occured-either people had been milling about near the elevator to Firelink Shrine on the day the city was flooded, or, if the Darkwraiths had started attacking at this point, they knew about the elevator and tried to escape. Then, suddenly, the city gets flooded. In an instant, right before their eyes, every single person these people ever knew is dead, and the city where they've spent their lives is completely ruined. Those who don't care about such things would have likely left through the Firelink elevator or Valley of Drakes shortcut and never come back, while for those who did, the elimination of everyone and everything you ever knew or cared about would be enough for them to sink into despair and become Hollow. Thus they sat there for years on end, until you come along and murder them for their souls.
[[WMG: The Hollows outside of the New Londo Ruins are the ones who made it out.]]
We know that the hollowing process can be accelerated or even immediately brought on by severe despair and/or a lack of purpose and reason to live. It may be that the Hollows outside the ruins were the adventurers who tried and failed to go through the city, but if so, wouldn't they have just died in the city rather than coming back out? My theory is that one of two situations occured-either people had been milling about near the elevator to Firelink Shrine on the day the city was flooded, or, if the Darkwraiths had started attacking at this point, they knew about the elevator and tried to escape. Then, suddenly, the city gets flooded. In an instant, right before their eyes, every single person these people ever knew is dead, and the city where they've spent their lives is completely ruined. Those who don't care about such things would have likely left through the Firelink elevator or Valley of Drakes shortcut and never come back, while for those who did, the elimination of everyone and everything you ever knew or cared about would be enough for them to sink into despair and become Hollow. Thus they sat there for years on end, until you come along and murder them for their souls.
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[[WMG: Solaire will return in the third game...]]
[[spoiler: [[CameBackWrong As a hollowed-out Lord of Cinder]] who you'll have to MercyKill to progress. Alternately, he might [[TearJerker regain his humanity just long enough]] to help you fight the FinalBoss in [[DyingAsYourself one last act of]] [[MeaningfulEcho Jolly Cooperation]], remarking that the PlayerCharacter reminds him of an old friend.]]
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[[spoiler: [[CameBackWrong As a hollowed-out Lord of Cinder]] who you'll have to MercyKill to progress. Alternately, he might [[TearJerker regain his humanity just long enough]] to help you fight the FinalBoss in [[DyingAsYourself one last act of]] [[MeaningfulEcho Jolly Cooperation]], remarking that the PlayerCharacter reminds him of an old friend.]]
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[[WMG: Kaathe's agenda and Chosen Undead's relation to the Furtive Pygmy]]
Humanities are shards of the Pigmy's Dark Soul, and their excessive consumption is capable of awekening the Dark Soul in a human. Kaathe, Frampt and other serpents made a pact with the Furtive Pygmy, according tow which the Pygmy's descendant, the Dark Lord, would end the Age of Fire and gods' reign and would help the serpents come to power instead. And they, in return, would guide his descendants towards that goal. Frampt betrayed his promise and sided with Gwyn, his traitorous nature further reinforced in the Dark Lord ending, where he bows before the player who has done exactly the opposite of what he allegedly wanted them to do. Kaathe, on the other hand, stayed true to the promise and everything he has done in Oolacile and New Londo, including establishing the Darkwraith covenant, was to awaken the Dark Soul and bring about the Dark Lord. Finaly, in the ending, the serpents say "Our Lord has returned", signifying that the Pygmy's soul has been reborn in the Chosen Undead.
[[WMG: Kaathe's agenda and Chosen Undead's relation to the Furtive Pygmy]]
Humanities are shards of the Pigmy's Dark Soul, and their excessive consumption is capable of awekening the Dark Soul in a human. Kaathe, Frampt and other serpents made a pact with the Furtive Pygmy, according tow which the Pygmy's descendant, the Dark Lord, would end the Age of Fire and gods' reign and would help the serpents come to power instead. And they, in return, would guide his descendants towards that goal. Frampt betrayed his promise and sided with Gwyn, his traitorous nature further reinforced in the Dark Lord ending, where he bows before the player who has done exactly the opposite of what he allegedly wanted them to do. Kaathe, on the other hand, stayed true to the promise and everything he has done in Oolacile and New Londo, including establishing the Darkwraith covenant, was to awaken the Dark Soul and bring about the Dark Lord. Finaly, in the ending, the serpents say "Our Lord has returned", signifying that the Pygmy's soul has been reborn in the Chosen Undead.
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** Havel the Rock stands in place and waits for you to come to him instead of chasing after you like your usual invader. He also has a connection to [[spoiler:Ash Lake and the Everlasting Dragon there]]. He also has a strong dislike of magic, preferring to [[BoringButPractical hammer things into submission with his massive Dragon Tooth club]]. Sounds like a typical duelist of the [[spoiler: Dragon Covenant]] [[LetsFightLikeGentlemen looking for an honorable fight]].
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** Havel the Rock stands in place and waits for you to come to him instead of chasing after you like your usual invader. He also has a connection to [[spoiler:Ash Lake and the Everlasting Dragon there]]. He also has a strong dislike of magic, preferring to [[BoringButPractical hammer things into submission with his massive Dragon Tooth club]]. Sounds like a typical duelist of the [[spoiler: Dragon Covenant]] [[LetsFightLikeGentlemen looking for an honorable fight]].
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[[WMG: Relatedly, Velka is the narrator in the opening cinematic.]]
The narrator has a female voice and she seems to know the gods well enough to [[FirstNameBasis use their names without honorifics]] like "Lord Gwyn" or "Lord Nito," and her narration continues right when the crow snatches you from the Undead Asylum (see the below WMG about her being the crow). The narrator does not appear in the game otherwise, and it would explain why Velka wasn't mentioned in the opening; she would be talking about herself.
The narrator has a female voice and she seems to know the gods well enough to [[FirstNameBasis use their names without honorifics]] like "Lord Gwyn" or "Lord Nito," and her narration continues right when the crow snatches you from the Undead Asylum (see the below WMG about her being the crow). The narrator does not appear in the game otherwise, and it would explain why Velka wasn't mentioned in the opening; she would be talking about herself.
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(Different troper) There is definitely something fishy about the whole Undead Prophecy, especially since we never get Gwyn's take on it from the man himself. In order to even get to Gwyn, the player needs to kill Nito, the Witch of Izalith, Seathe the Scaleless ''and'' the Four Kings. All of whom [=were/are=] Gwyn's old allies. The other gods besides Gwyndolin have all left Lordran, and you can even kill Gwyndolin yourself, leaving Lordran completely to its own devices. Whether you link the Fire or not, the Age of Fire as Gwyn knew it is already long gone. So really, what's the point of keeping it going, except that the alternative might be much worse?
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(Different troper) There is definitely something fishy about the whole Undead Prophecy, especially since we never get Gwyn's take on it from the man himself. In order to even get to Gwyn, the player needs to kill Nito, the Witch of Izalith, Seathe the Scaleless ''and'' the Four Kings.Kings to fill the Lordvessel. All of whom [=were/are=] Gwyn's old allies. That seems [[WhatTheHellHero a rather dickish thing to do to your own friends]] if this was Gwyn's plan all along. The other gods besides Gwyndolin have all left Lordran, and you can even kill Gwyndolin yourself, leaving Lordran completely to its own devices. Whether you link the Fire or not, the Age of Fire as Gwyn knew it is already long gone. So really, what's the point of keeping it going, except that the alternative might be much worse?
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(Different troper) There is definitely something fishy about the whole Undead Prophecy, especially since we never get Gwyn's take on it from the man himself. In order to even get to Gwyn, the player needs to kill Nito, the Witch of Izalith, Seathe the Scaleless ''and'' the Four Kings. All of whom [=were/are=] Gwyn's old allies. The other gods besides Gwyndolin have all left Lordran, and you can even kill Gwyndolin yourself, leaving Lordran completely to its own devices. Whether you link the Fire or not, the Age of Fire as Gwyn knew it is already long gone. So really, what's the point of keeping it going, except that the alternative might be much worse?
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** [[spoiler: Except Knight Kirk isn't even a true Darkwraith, and he's not invading ForTheEvulz after all. He's really a Chaos Servant [[AntiVillain farming humanity for Quelagg's sister]]. But the Chaos covenant doesn't grant PvP benefits, so Kirk joined the Darkwraiths in order to steal humanity from other players. He keeps invading player characters [[BatmanGambit because they're the most effective at gathering humanity]]. NotSoDifferent from a Chaos Servant player character, is he?]]
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** [[spoiler: Except Knight Kirk isn't even a true Darkwraith, and he's not invading ForTheEvulz after all. He's really a Chaos Servant [[AntiVillain farming humanity for Quelagg's sister]]. But the Chaos covenant doesn't grant PvP benefits, so Kirk joined the Darkwraiths in order to steal humanity from other players. undead. He keeps invading player characters (as opposed to other [=NPCs=]) [[BatmanGambit because they're the most effective at gathering humanity]]. NotSoDifferent from a Chaos Servant player character, is he?]]
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** [[spoiler: Except Knight Kirk isn't even a true Darkwraith, and he's not invading ForTheEvulz after all. He's really a Chaos Servant [[AntiVillain farming humanity for Quelagg's sister]]. But the Chaos covenant doesn't grant PvP benefits, so Kirk joined the Darkwraiths in order to steal humanity from other players. NotSoDifferent from a Chaos Servant player character, is he?]]
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** [[spoiler: Except Knight Kirk isn't even a true Darkwraith, and he's not invading ForTheEvulz after all. He's really a Chaos Servant [[AntiVillain farming humanity for Quelagg's sister]]. But the Chaos covenant doesn't grant PvP benefits, so Kirk joined the Darkwraiths in order to steal humanity from other players. He keeps invading player characters [[BatmanGambit because they're the most effective at gathering humanity]]. NotSoDifferent from a Chaos Servant player character, is he?]]
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** [[spoiler: Except Knight Kirk isn't even a true Darkwraith, and he's not invading ForTheEvulz after all. He's really a Chaos Servant [[AntiVillain farming humanity for Quelagg's sister]]. But the Chaos covenant doesn't grant PvP benefits, so Kirk joined the Darkwraiths in order to steal humanity from other players. NotSoDifferent from a Chaos Servant player character, is he?]]
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Lord Gwyn and the Furtive Pygmy have been engaged in a shadow war almost since the end of the war with the dragons. The Furtive Pygmy has been planning to usurp the Age of Fire with the Age of Dark while Gwyn has opposed him, only the nature of the conflict has not been one where strength of arms would be decisive. The Furtive Pygmy split his Dark Soul into many multitudes and seeded it among his creations, humanity. The Darksign and it's curse of Undeath acts as a humanity-sink, undead seek and hunt fragments of the Dark Soul to restore themselves and retain their sanity, feeding it back into the first flame.
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Lord Gwyn and the Furtive Pygmy have been engaged in a shadow war almost since the end of the war with the dragons. The Furtive Pygmy has been planning to usurp the Age of Fire with the Age of Dark while Gwyn has opposed him, only the nature of the conflict has not been one where strength of arms would be decisive. The Furtive Pygmy split his Dark Soul into many multitudes and seeded it among his creations, humanity. The Darksign and it's curse of Undeath acts as a humanity-sink, undead seek and hunt fragments of the Dark Soul to restore themselves and retain their sanity, feeding it back into the first flame.flame.
[[WMG: Solaire will return in the third game...]]
[[spoiler: [[CameBackWrong As a hollowed-out Lord of Cinder]] who you'll have to MercyKill to progress. Alternately, he might [[TearJerker regain his humanity just long enough]] to help you fight the FinalBoss in [[DyingAsYourself one last act of]] [[MeaningfulEcho Jolly Cooperation]], remarking that the PlayerCharacter reminds him of an old friend.]]
[[WMG: Solaire will return in the third game...]]
[[spoiler: [[CameBackWrong As a hollowed-out Lord of Cinder]] who you'll have to MercyKill to progress. Alternately, he might [[TearJerker regain his humanity just long enough]] to help you fight the FinalBoss in [[DyingAsYourself one last act of]] [[MeaningfulEcho Jolly Cooperation]], remarking that the PlayerCharacter reminds him of an old friend.]]
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One has a wolf [[AnimalMotifs motif]] going for him, the other has a hawk theme. This would hardly be the first ShoutOut to ''{{Berserk}}'' that either ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' or ''VideoGame/DemonsSouls'' have had.
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One has a wolf [[AnimalMotifs motif]] going for him, the other has a hawk theme. This would hardly be the first ShoutOut to ''{{Berserk}}'' ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'' that either ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' or ''VideoGame/DemonsSouls'' have had.
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Both Marvelous Chester and Hawkeye Gough state that the residents of Oolicile awoke Manus from his grave and drove him mad. There are a variety of reasons this could have happened, but the fact that the entrance to the Chasm of the Abyss is in Oolicile Township Dungeon is very interesting. Given how much inspiration ''VideoGame/DemonsSouls'' and ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' take from {{Berserk}}, it's likely this is a reference to Griffith's imprisonment and him being visited by his future demonic servants and partners. It's possible Kaathe approached a desperate, despairing prisoner with possible escape and power should they awaken Manus.
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Both Marvelous Chester and Hawkeye Gough state that the residents of Oolicile awoke Manus from his grave and drove him mad. There are a variety of reasons this could have happened, but the fact that the entrance to the Chasm of the Abyss is in Oolicile Township Dungeon is very interesting. Given how much inspiration ''VideoGame/DemonsSouls'' and ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' take from {{Berserk}}, {{Manga/Berserk}}, it's likely this is a reference to Griffith's imprisonment and him being visited by his future demonic servants and partners. It's possible Kaathe approached a desperate, despairing prisoner with possible escape and power should they awaken Manus.
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* Sieglinde represents gamers who want to play with friends. It doesn’t matter whether they’re the summoner or the summonee, as long as they’re with people they like, they’re happy. Unfortunately for them, ''DarkSouls'' doesn’t support that kind of gameplay, so just how Sieglinde is blindly stumbling around Lordran in a fruitless bid to find her father, most of these players are trying and failing to hook up with their buddies. They may get in touch a few times, but like Sieglinde’s journey, it’s only a matter of time before at least one of the players moves on to another game.
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* Sieglinde represents gamers who want to play with friends. It doesn’t matter whether they’re the summoner or the summonee, as long as they’re with people they like, they’re happy. Unfortunately for them, ''DarkSouls'' ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' doesn’t support that kind of gameplay, so just how Sieglinde is blindly stumbling around Lordran in a fruitless bid to find her father, most of these players are trying and failing to hook up with their buddies. They may get in touch a few times, but like Sieglinde’s journey, it’s only a matter of time before at least one of the players moves on to another game.
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Both Marvelous Chester and Hawkeye Gough state that the residents of Oolicile awoke Manus from his grave and drove him mad. There are a variety of reasons this could have happened, but the fact that the entrance to the Chasm of the Abyss is in Oolicile Township Dungeon is very interesting. Given how much inspiration DemonsSouls and DarkSouls take from {{Berserk}}, it's likely this is a reference to Griffith's imprisonment and him being visited by his future demonic servants and partners. It's possible Kaathe approached a desperate, despairing prisoner with possible escape and power should they awaken Manus.
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Both Marvelous Chester and Hawkeye Gough state that the residents of Oolicile awoke Manus from his grave and drove him mad. There are a variety of reasons this could have happened, but the fact that the entrance to the Chasm of the Abyss is in Oolicile Township Dungeon is very interesting. Given how much inspiration DemonsSouls ''VideoGame/DemonsSouls'' and DarkSouls ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' take from {{Berserk}}, it's likely this is a reference to Griffith's imprisonment and him being visited by his future demonic servants and partners. It's possible Kaathe approached a desperate, despairing prisoner with possible escape and power should they awaken Manus.
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** Also jossed in that Miyazaki said the reason Darkroot is always night is because they wanted to implement some kind of day/night system into the game but were unable to do with with the engine at the time (partially because the game was rushed), so they simply made it so that it's daytime in the Undead Burg/Parish and night in Darkroot to simulate the feeling of time passing.
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The Verdite trilogy is not real, but part of a controlled environment created by Seath as part of his experiments during the Age of Fire. Dark Souls comes next chronologically, and the two endings split into Demon's Souls and Dark Souls II. Demon's Souls continues from the Dark Lord ending, with the Chosen Undead being the Old One. Dark Souls II continues from the Link the Fire ending, after the First Flame burns out again. How King's Field 4, Eternal Ring and Shadow Tower enter into this is beyond me. Feel free to poke holes in this theory; i would love to see other viewpoints.
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The Verdite trilogy is not real, but part of a controlled environment created by Seath as part of his experiments during the Age of Fire. Dark Souls comes next chronologically, and the two endings split into Demon's Souls and Dark Souls II. Demon's Souls continues from the Dark Lord ending, with the Chosen Undead being the Old One. Dark Souls II continues from the Link the Fire ending, after the First Flame burns out again. How King's Field 4, Eternal Ring and Shadow Tower enter into this is beyond me. Feel free to poke holes in this theory; i would love to see other viewpoints.viewpoints.
[[WMG: The Furtive Pygmy sabotaged the Witch of Izalith.]]
The Witch of Izalith attempted to re-create the First Flame using her own Lord's Soul, but instead of continuing the Age of Fire it ran wild and consumed her and many of her daughters as well as spawning the Bed of Chaos. Why? Was it some critical mistake she made? Was it a fool's errand to begin with? ..or, did the Witch of Izalith's 'Second Flame' get a push?
The event which saw the creation of the Bed of Chaos and the birth of demons also saw the creation of Chaos pyromancy, a pyromancy which has it's power augmented by Humanity which is known to be fragments of the Dark Soul of the Furtive Pygmy. Perhaps, the Furtive Pygmy snuck some fragments of the Dark Soul into the mix during a critical juncture enhancing the Second Flame's power in unpredictable ways? The Second Flame runs rampant and the Witch of Izalith's experiment is a horrific failure, and the way is open for the comming of the Age of Dark.
[[WMG: Nito created the Darksign at Gwyn's insistence]]
Lord Gwyn and the Furtive Pygmy have been engaged in a shadow war almost since the end of the war with the dragons. The Furtive Pygmy has been planning to usurp the Age of Fire with the Age of Dark while Gwyn has opposed him, only the nature of the conflict has not been one where strength of arms would be decisive. The Furtive Pygmy split his Dark Soul into many multitudes and seeded it among his creations, humanity. The Darksign and it's curse of Undeath acts as a humanity-sink, undead seek and hunt fragments of the Dark Soul to restore themselves and retain their sanity, feeding it back into the first flame.
[[WMG: The Furtive Pygmy sabotaged the Witch of Izalith.]]
The Witch of Izalith attempted to re-create the First Flame using her own Lord's Soul, but instead of continuing the Age of Fire it ran wild and consumed her and many of her daughters as well as spawning the Bed of Chaos. Why? Was it some critical mistake she made? Was it a fool's errand to begin with? ..or, did the Witch of Izalith's 'Second Flame' get a push?
The event which saw the creation of the Bed of Chaos and the birth of demons also saw the creation of Chaos pyromancy, a pyromancy which has it's power augmented by Humanity which is known to be fragments of the Dark Soul of the Furtive Pygmy. Perhaps, the Furtive Pygmy snuck some fragments of the Dark Soul into the mix during a critical juncture enhancing the Second Flame's power in unpredictable ways? The Second Flame runs rampant and the Witch of Izalith's experiment is a horrific failure, and the way is open for the comming of the Age of Dark.
[[WMG: Nito created the Darksign at Gwyn's insistence]]
Lord Gwyn and the Furtive Pygmy have been engaged in a shadow war almost since the end of the war with the dragons. The Furtive Pygmy has been planning to usurp the Age of Fire with the Age of Dark while Gwyn has opposed him, only the nature of the conflict has not been one where strength of arms would be decisive. The Furtive Pygmy split his Dark Soul into many multitudes and seeded it among his creations, humanity. The Darksign and it's curse of Undeath acts as a humanity-sink, undead seek and hunt fragments of the Dark Soul to restore themselves and retain their sanity, feeding it back into the first flame.
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One has a wolf [[AnimalMotifs motif]] going for him, the other has a [[BigBadassBirdOfPrey hawk]] theme. This would hardly be the first ShoutOut to ''{{Berserk}}'' that either ''DarkSouls'' or ''DemonsSouls'' have had.
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One has a wolf [[AnimalMotifs motif]] going for him, the other has a [[BigBadassBirdOfPrey hawk]] hawk theme. This would hardly be the first ShoutOut to ''{{Berserk}}'' that either ''DarkSouls'' or ''DemonsSouls'' have had.
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** Comparing statues of Gwenevere with others in Anor Londo imply she may have actually been that gigantic.
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*** With what appears to be the reveal in Dark Souls II that [[spoiler:Ornstein is still alive and kicking dragon arse in Drangleic,]] and that Smough is most likely dead due to the discovery of his cannibalistic tendencies, we can safely assume that the Ornstein and Smough in Anor Londo are illusions, just like everything else there. We could also theorise that because they were more complex and powerful illusions, they required their own souls to function.
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When you think about it, it seems that each of the four Primodial Lords seems to represent opposite concepts. Nito obviously represents death and Gwyn just as obviously represents light. Now, it would appear that Witch of Izalith represents life, as in her warped form she resembles a tree and spawns demons; most likely in her pure form she used to create what we consider the normal life into the world that originally only contained Everlasting Dragons and Archtrees. And the Furtive Pygmy, the possessor of the Dark Soul, naturally represents darkness, as his actions inevitably bring about the Age of Darkness.
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When you think about it, it seems that each of the four Primodial Lords seems to represent opposite concepts. Nito obviously represents death and Gwyn just as obviously represents light. Now, it would appear that Witch of Izalith represents life, as in her warped form she resembles a tree and spawns demons; most likely in her pure form she used to create what we consider the normal life into the world that originally only contained Everlasting Dragons and Archtrees. And the Furtive Pygmy, the possessor of the Dark Soul, naturally represents darkness, as his actions inevitably bring about the Age of Darkness.Darkness.
[[WMG: How King's Field, Demon's Souls, and Dark Souls fit together]]
The Verdite trilogy is not real, but part of a controlled environment created by Seath as part of his experiments during the Age of Fire. Dark Souls comes next chronologically, and the two endings split into Demon's Souls and Dark Souls II. Demon's Souls continues from the Dark Lord ending, with the Chosen Undead being the Old One. Dark Souls II continues from the Link the Fire ending, after the First Flame burns out again. How King's Field 4, Eternal Ring and Shadow Tower enter into this is beyond me. Feel free to poke holes in this theory; i would love to see other viewpoints.
[[WMG: How King's Field, Demon's Souls, and Dark Souls fit together]]
The Verdite trilogy is not real, but part of a controlled environment created by Seath as part of his experiments during the Age of Fire. Dark Souls comes next chronologically, and the two endings split into Demon's Souls and Dark Souls II. Demon's Souls continues from the Dark Lord ending, with the Chosen Undead being the Old One. Dark Souls II continues from the Link the Fire ending, after the First Flame burns out again. How King's Field 4, Eternal Ring and Shadow Tower enter into this is beyond me. Feel free to poke holes in this theory; i would love to see other viewpoints.
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** Alternatively, it may be that Ornstein would view the death of Lord Gwyn as a MercyKill, but want to insure that the Chosen Undead was indeed strong enough to kill him quickly.
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Velka is a rouge deity, and a true god. She does not have, nor does she need, a Lord Soul.
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Velka is a rouge rogue deity, and a true god. She does not have, nor does she need, a Lord Soul.
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[[WMG: Gwyn, his relatives, and Allies are all false deities. Velka is the only true god.]]
It would explain why Velka is conveniently left out of the opening cinematic and why the Giants are all afraid of her and the concept of the fire going out. She's the constant, even without the flame, she will still be and they will be powerless to defy her.
It would explain why Velka is conveniently left out of the opening cinematic and why the Giants are all afraid of her and the concept of the fire going out. She's the constant, even without the flame, she will still be and they will be powerless to defy her.
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''Videogame/DarkSouls'', being a game in which the lore is built mostly on StoryBreadCrumbs, is very prone to having {{WMG}}s.
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One has a [[BigBadassWolf wolf]] [[AnimalMotifs motif]] going for him, the other has a [[BigBadassBirdOfPrey hawk]] theme. This would hardly be the first ShoutOut to ''{{Berserk}}'' that either ''DarkSouls'' or ''DemonsSouls'' have had.
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One has a [[BigBadassWolf wolf]] wolf [[AnimalMotifs motif]] going for him, the other has a [[BigBadassBirdOfPrey hawk]] theme. This would hardly be the first ShoutOut to ''{{Berserk}}'' that either ''DarkSouls'' or ''DemonsSouls'' have had.
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** Supported by the fact that the Demon Fire Sage is supposedly the last real practitioner of the original fire arts. It uses the Demon Catalyst to cast its fire spells much like a sorcerer would to cast magic spells.
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Why do they want Gywn dead so badly? I can't really say, but I'd hazard to guess that killing Gywn will bring the Age of Dark much sooner regardless of whether you link the flame or not. You're just an undead after all, not a dragon-killing Lord, so how long will you really burn for? In the end, it matters not whether you kill Gywn, link the flame or abandon it. The true ending is in the prologue. "One day the flame will fade, and only dark will remain."
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Why do they want Gywn dead so badly? I can't really say, but I'd hazard to guess that killing Gywn will bring the Age of Dark much sooner regardless of whether you link the flame or not. You're just an undead after all, not a dragon-killing Lord, so how long will you really burn for? In the end, it matters not whether you kill Gywn, link the flame or abandon it. The true ending is in the prologue. "One day the flame will fade, and only dark will remain.""
[[WMG: The Lord Souls come in pairs.]]
When you think about it, it seems that each of the four Primodial Lords seems to represent opposite concepts. Nito obviously represents death and Gwyn just as obviously represents light. Now, it would appear that Witch of Izalith represents life, as in her warped form she resembles a tree and spawns demons; most likely in her pure form she used to create what we consider the normal life into the world that originally only contained Everlasting Dragons and Archtrees. And the Furtive Pygmy, the possessor of the Dark Soul, naturally represents darkness, as his actions inevitably bring about the Age of Darkness.
[[WMG: The Lord Souls come in pairs.]]
When you think about it, it seems that each of the four Primodial Lords seems to represent opposite concepts. Nito obviously represents death and Gwyn just as obviously represents light. Now, it would appear that Witch of Izalith represents life, as in her warped form she resembles a tree and spawns demons; most likely in her pure form she used to create what we consider the normal life into the world that originally only contained Everlasting Dragons and Archtrees. And the Furtive Pygmy, the possessor of the Dark Soul, naturally represents darkness, as his actions inevitably bring about the Age of Darkness.
