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1st Sep '17 6:35:04 AM Sharlee
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While most of the Thirdspace ships are [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], the small fighters appear to be a more technological design, and in outline they resemble Vorlon fighters. It's possible they were Vorlon ships taken over by the Thirdspace aliens when the gateway was originally constructed in the distant past.

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While most of the Thirdspace ships are [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], the small fighters appear to be a more technological design, and in outline they resemble Vorlon fighters. It's possible they were Vorlon ships taken over by the Thirdspace aliens when the gateway was originally constructed in the distant past.past.

[[WMG: Greater London in the ''Babylon 5'' era is a megacity extending all the way to the mouth of the Thames estuary.]]
The West End/East End flub from "Comes The Inquisitor" was never a mistake: the geographic terminology's just changed to suit how urban sprawl has left Whitechapel, and indeed most of the current city, well to the west of the metropolitan region's midpoint.
24th Aug '17 6:34:48 AM livestockgeorge
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* This would actually explain those scenes early in the show where G'Kar would be speaking to Na'Toth, both Narns, alone and yet still using human standards to judge things like time. If G'Kar was rasied thinking Centauri and the younger Na'Toth thinks in Narn terms then thinking in human terms would be a middle ground they were both equally familiar with and would facilitate communication!

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* This would actually explain those scenes early in the show where G'Kar would be speaking to Na'Toth, both Narns, alone and yet still using human standards to judge things like time. If G'Kar was rasied raised thinking Centauri and the younger Na'Toth thinks in Narn terms then thinking in human terms would be a middle ground they were both equally familiar with and would facilitate communication!


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[[WMG: Expanding on the guess above, love triangles are sacred among the Minbari.]]

I'd guess, in Minbari culture, it's common for one spouse to take on a lover outside of marriage, which is seen as symbolic of the triad motif in Minbari religion.

To wit: Delenn is grey--literally, as a member of the grey council, and figuratively, as a moderating presence between light and dark. Hence her role in the war between the Vorlons and the Shadows. Moreover, it's an aspect of Minbari religion to be moderate between light and dark.

When Delenn shows interest in Lennier while being married to John, she's symbolically assuming a position between the dark male figure (John, historically an enemy of the Minbari) and the light male figure, Lennier, her faithful and kind servant, to bring them closer into unity and to find balance within herself. One might even guess that Dukhat and Neroon were her past lovers, in the same pattern. Dukhat was light, as the "pinnacle of Minbari evolution" and Dukhat was dark, as a violent and bellicose warrior caste leader.

My guess is, it's common for religious figures like Delenn to form this sort of love triangle, and tolerated or even considered normal because of the religious significance.
8th Jul '17 4:51:24 PM LordArvidthe13th
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*[[spoiler: WordOfGod, JMS said Susan's defenses were up the whole time they were biblically together, so most likely she didn't know.]]
25th Jun '17 1:50:34 PM ErikModi
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* Well, Susan did state that [[spoiler: sometimes, she was the one who reached out and touched her mother's mind, so she'd probably be able to "echo" Talia in an intimate situation.]] Plus, it adds a whole level of FridgeBrilliance and metaphor to the early stages of their relationship: Susan afraid that Talia won't be open and accepting of "someone like her," Talia sounding Susan out and trying to confirm if her suspicions are correct and there's a layer there Susan doesn't want to acknowledge publicly. "Flirting in code," as it were, until they're both comfortable enough and sure enough of each other to take the next step.

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* Well, Susan did state that [[spoiler: sometimes, she was the one who reached out and touched her mother's mind, so she'd probably be able to "echo" Talia in an intimate situation.]] Plus, it adds a whole level of FridgeBrilliance and metaphor to the early stages of their relationship: Susan afraid that Talia won't be open and accepting of "someone like her," Talia sounding Susan out and trying to confirm if her suspicions are correct and there's a layer there Susan doesn't want to acknowledge publicly. "Flirting in code," as it were, until they're both comfortable enough Talia has proven herself to Susan, and sure enough Susan is ready to "come out of each other to take the next step.
closet" to Talia.
25th Jun '17 1:48:46 PM ErikModi
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* Well, Susan did state that [[spoiler: sometimes, she was the one who reached out and touched her mother's mind, so she'd probably be able to "echo" Talia in an intimate situation.]] Plus, it adds a whole level of FridgeBrilliance and metaphor to the early stages of their relationship: Susan afraid that Talia won't be open and accepting of "someone like her," Talia sounding Susan out and trying to confirm if her suspicions are correct and there's a layer there Susan doesn't want to acknowledge publicly. "Flirting in code," as it were, until they're both comfortable enough and sure enough of each other to take the next step.
5th Jun '17 3:36:47 PM AFP
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** Maybe having the third party is expected. RuleOfThree and all that. Sometimes they participate, sometimes they just sit in the adjacent room and work on their motorcycle to pass the time while fulfilling their cultural obligations.
5th Jun '17 3:34:15 PM AFP
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Yes it does, it's just all personal and descriptive pronouns are the same word, zathras (lower case z)

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* Yes it does, it's just all personal and descriptive pronouns are the same word, zathras (lower case z)
** There are different words for each pronoun, distinguished by subtle differences in pronunciation. For example: "zathras" vs "zathras".
19th Dec '16 6:22:30 AM john_e
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While most of the Thirdspace ships are [[Eldritch Abomination Eldritch Abominations]], the small fighters appear to be a more technological design, and in outline they resemble Vorlon fighters. It's possible they were Vorlon ships taken over by the Thirdspace aliens when the gateway was originally constructed in the distant past.

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While most of the Thirdspace ships are [[Eldritch Abomination [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]], the small fighters appear to be a more technological design, and in outline they resemble Vorlon fighters. It's possible they were Vorlon ships taken over by the Thirdspace aliens when the gateway was originally constructed in the distant past.
19th Dec '16 6:22:02 AM john_e
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While most of the Thirdspace ships are [[EldritchAbomination|s]], the small fighters appear to be a more technological design, and in outline they resemble Vorlon fighters. It's possible they were Vorlon ships taken over by the Thirdspace aliens when the gateway was originally constructed in the distant past.

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While most of the Thirdspace ships are [[EldritchAbomination|s]], [[Eldritch Abomination Eldritch Abominations]], the small fighters appear to be a more technological design, and in outline they resemble Vorlon fighters. It's possible they were Vorlon ships taken over by the Thirdspace aliens when the gateway was originally constructed in the distant past.
19th Dec '16 6:21:09 AM john_e
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One of the previous guessers has already said "her feelings seemed to be more like those between family rather than those between romantic lovers." And according to the wiki Delenn is in her 50s when the series takes place. It's possible that she had a bit of a dalliance when she was young and gave away the child to parents who would love them. Minbari being Minbari, she never talked about it and he never found out. (Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_sexual_attraction for the creaptasticness.)

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One of the previous guessers has already said "her feelings seemed to be more like those between family rather than those between romantic lovers." And according to the wiki Delenn is in her 50s when the series takes place. It's possible that she had a bit of a dalliance when she was young and gave away the child to parents who would love them. Minbari being Minbari, she never talked about it and he never found out. (Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_sexual_attraction for the creaptasticness.))

[[WMG: The Thirdspace fighters are captured Vorlon ships]]
While most of the Thirdspace ships are [[EldritchAbomination|s]], the small fighters appear to be a more technological design, and in outline they resemble Vorlon fighters. It's possible they were Vorlon ships taken over by the Thirdspace aliens when the gateway was originally constructed in the distant past.
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