History VisualNovel / AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth

17th Jun '17 11:17:13 PM TheCuza
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* ForWantOfANail: The entire ''series'' would not exist if not for [[spoiler:Isaac Dover]], who [[spoiler:made his son kidnap and detain Dane Gustavia's son. Without his son to taste his food for him, Gustavia had no hope of winning the dessert contest, forcing him to sneak into Jeff Master's room and take a picture of the cure to his taste disorder, where Dover caught him and threatened him with blackmail. This led to Gustavia killing Dover, Kate finding the body, Gustavia hiding the body before the cops showed up, and Kate accidentally hiding the body even ''more''. Since the cops NeverFoundTheBody, von Karma received his first penalty and had his precious perfect record ruined, causing him to murder Gregory Edgeworth and adopt Miles, turning him into a infamously ruthless prosecutor, which made Phoenix decide to become a defence lawyer in order to face him in court and find out why he had changed so much]].



** [[spoiler:As were childhood friends Horace Knightley and Simon Keyes, though in their case it only affected certain memories. Specifically those of their fathers.]]

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** [[spoiler:As were childhood friends Horace Knightley and Simon Keyes, though in their case it only affected certain memories. Specifically those of their fathers.]]Keyes. When Simon regained his memories, he also got a few things mixed up, such as who his father was and who Knightley's father was]].



** Deconstructed with [[spoiler:Dane Gustavia and Simon Keyes. Simon hated Gustavia for killing Isaac Dover, because a traumatic near-death experience had jumbled his memories and caused him to think that Dover was his father and not Gustavia. However, both Simon and Gustavia have the same habit of laughing maniacally when they believe there is no way their plans can fail, and Simon uses the ''exact same'' method of preserving the body that Gustavia had used: by freezing it, to throw off the time of death. This is lampshaded by Edgeworth while he's cornering Keyes for the crime]].

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** Deconstructed with [[spoiler:Dane Gustavia and Simon Keyes. Simon hated Gustavia for killing Isaac Dover, because a traumatic near-death experience had jumbled his memories and caused him to think that Dover was his father and not Gustavia. However, both Simon and Gustavia have the same habit of laughing maniacally when they believe there is no way their plans can fail, and Simon uses the ''exact same'' method of preserving the body of his victim that Gustavia had used: by freezing it, to throw off the time of death. This is lampshaded by Edgeworth while he's cornering Keyes for the crime]].



** In the IS-7 incident, an innocent person unknowingly manipulated the crime scene, leading the Chief Prosecutor at the time to forge evidence (because [[spoiler:the victim's body]] had gone missing) and then stick Manfred von Karma with a penalty. This resulted in DL-6 and set up a whole host of problems for many characters in the series. The case's murderer could also be considered this, but he at least knew he was doing a despicable deed.
** Isaac Dover's son [[spoiler: prevented Simon Keyes from helping his father in IS-7. This lead to the series of events that made Keyes manipulate the present day events.]]

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** In the IS-7 incident, an innocent person unknowingly manipulated the crime scene, leading the Chief Prosecutor at the time to forge evidence (because [[spoiler:the victim's body]] had gone missing) and then stick Manfred von Karma with a penalty. This resulted in DL-6 and set up a whole host of problems for many characters in the series. The case's murderer could also be considered this, but he at least knew he was doing a despicable deed.
deed. Hell, the case's ''victim'' counts here. [[spoiler:by forcing his son to kidnap Gustavia's, Gustavia had no choice but to sneakily take pictures of the medicine formula he was seeking. Dover tried to blackmail him over it, [[AssholeVictim and got himself murdered as a result]]]].
** Isaac Dover's son [[spoiler: prevented Simon Keyes from helping his father in IS-7. This lead led to the series of events that made Keyes manipulate the present day events.]] ]]
12th May '17 6:43:24 AM Siggu
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* NeverFoundTheBody: The body of victim of the IS-7 incident was never found. [[spoiler:Not that it bothered von Karma anyways. The present section of Case 3 involves said body being found and finally discovering what happened during that incident, 18 years later.]]
5th May '17 5:20:12 PM MrDerpyKid2
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-->'''Ray''': He's a member of the circus, [[spoiler:Knightley's friend...and Dane Gustavia's son.]] Wh-Who'd have thunk it...?

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-->'''Ray''': He's a member of the circus, [[spoiler:Knightley's friend...and Dane Gustavia's son.]] Wh-Who'd have thunk it...??\\
5th May '17 5:14:34 PM MrDerpyKid2
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** Case 5 has an [[UpToEleven even bigger one.]]
-->'''Ray''': He's a member of the circus, [[spoiler:Knightley's friend...and Dane Gustavia's son.]] Wh-Who'd have thunk it...?
'''Edgeworth''': [[spoiler:An apprentice beast tamer?]] Heh...he's no amateur. [[spoiler:For the beast he has tamed is none other than this entire case! ''Simon Keyes!'' [[TheDogWasTheMastermind He is the mastermind behind this entire incident!]]]]
16th Apr '17 10:12:19 AM Matt620
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** Justine Courtney [[spoiler:uses fabricated evidence to get Kay arrested for murder, and withholds evidence that would remove her from investigative authority in Case 4]], and she receives no comeuppance for this illegal shenanigans.
23rd Mar '17 8:32:04 AM valerian731
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**Also in Case 4, Miles tells [[spoiler:an amnesiac Kay, suspected of murder]] to [[Anime/{{TengenToppaGurrenLagann}} "believe in me, who believes in you."]]
23rd Mar '17 8:26:52 AM valerian731
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* NotSoDifferent: Several of the characters, in an attempt to defeat their personal nemeses, use [[EvilVersusEvil exactly the same evil methods they use]]. [[spoiler:Roland]] and [[spoiler: Dogen]] both [[spoiler:hide weapons in their respective pets' mouths]]; [[spoiler: Jill Crane]] and [[spoiler: Blaise]] both try to [[spoiler:ambush each other during the black market auction]]; and [[spoiler:Simon]] and [[spoiler:Blaise]] both try to [[spoiler:kidnap the judge's child to influence a trial's outcome]].

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* NotSoDifferent: Several of the characters, in an attempt to defeat their personal nemeses, use [[EvilVersusEvil exactly the same evil methods they use]]. [[spoiler:Roland]] and [[spoiler: Dogen]] both [[spoiler:hide weapons in their respective pets' mouths]]; [[spoiler: Jill Crane]] and [[spoiler: Blaise]] both try to [[spoiler:ambush each other during the black market auction]]; and [[spoiler:Simon]] and [[spoiler:Blaise]] both try to [[spoiler:kidnap the judge's child to influence a trial's outcome]]. [[spoiler: Simon also shares several mannerisms with Dane Gustavia, his father who he despised. He even uses the same method as Gustavia to throw off a victim's time of death, which Edgeworth points out.]]
15th Mar '17 7:41:41 PM morenohijazo
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* DetachableBlades: The embassies each have a collection of three knives with interchangeable blades. Since its a reoccurring theme that things traveled between the embassies, so does a knife.
12th Mar '17 4:16:59 PM Gosicrystal
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* ThiefBag: Kay, befitting a Great Thief such as herself (in her mind, anyway), wears a pink-and-white-swirl variation on her shirt. [[spoiler: If you look closely you can see the same pattern on her father's bandanna, an interesting piece of foreshadowing]].

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* ThiefBag: Kay, befitting a Great Thief such as herself (in her mind, anyway), wears a pink-and-white-swirl variation on her shirt. [[spoiler: If [[spoiler:If you look closely you can see the same pattern on her father's bandanna, an interesting piece of foreshadowing]].



** The flashback cases are full of this from the player's point of view (and no doubt a FunnyAneurysmMoment from the point of view of the characters): for example, when [[spoiler:von Karma tells Miles that he must become a famous prosecutor because "otherwise, it wouldn't be ''interesting''"]], Miles seems to take this as reassurance, whereas any player who's followed the AA series will realize that this is some rather ominous foreshadowing of [[spoiler:Case 4 in the first ''Ace Attorney'' game]]. There's also one example that doubles as {{Foreshadowing}}: Edgeworth says that no man is above the law. [[spoiler: von Karma]] disagrees, saying there are people like that. To the player who knows [[spoiler: von Karma killed Edgeworth's father]], the implication is that the speaker is referring to himself. However, the very next case in Investigations deals with a criminal [[spoiler: who hides behind his [[DiplomaticImpunity diplomatic immunity]]]], making him "above the law".

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** The flashback cases are full of this from the player's point of view (and no doubt a FunnyAneurysmMoment from the point of view of the characters): for example, when [[spoiler:von Karma tells Miles that he must become a famous prosecutor because "otherwise, it wouldn't be ''interesting''"]], Miles seems to take this as reassurance, whereas any player who's followed the AA series will realize that this is some rather ominous foreshadowing of [[spoiler:Case 4 in the first ''Ace Attorney'' game]]. There's also one example that doubles as {{Foreshadowing}}: Edgeworth says that no man is above the law. [[spoiler: von [[spoiler:Von Karma]] disagrees, saying there are people like that. To the player who knows [[spoiler: von Karma killed Edgeworth's father]], the implication is that the speaker is referring to himself. However, the very next case in Investigations deals with a criminal [[spoiler: who hides behind his [[DiplomaticImpunity diplomatic immunity]]]], making him "above the law".



-->'''Edgeworth''': '''OBJECTION!''' Ms. Teneiro!\\
'''Teneiro''': Wh-Why are you shouting all of a sudden?!\\
'''Edgeworth''': [[InnerMonologue (Argh! Force of habit!)]]
* TheSyndicate: The smuggling ring.

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-->'''Edgeworth''': -->'''Edgeworth:''' '''OBJECTION!''' Ms. Teneiro!\\
'''Teneiro''': '''Teneiro:''' Wh-Why are you shouting all of a sudden?!\\
'''Edgeworth''': '''Edgeworth:''' [[InnerMonologue (Argh! Force of habit!)]]
* TheSyndicate: The international smuggling ring.ring that Interpol is investigating. Through the course of the game ([[ExtremelyShortTimespan 3 days]]), Edgeworth proves that two of this ring's members committed murders, and finally takes down the ringleader (the BigBad of the game).



* ThatOneCase: KG-8., the arc case of the game.

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* ThatOneCase: KG-8., The KG-8 incident, the arc case of the game.



* [[WhyDidItHaveToBeSnakes Why Did It Have to Be Quakes?]]: Edgeworth fears earthquakes so profoundly that a bad spot of turbulence on an airplane triggers his phobia. He passes out and lies unconscious for a full ten minutes.

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* [[WhyDidItHaveToBeSnakes Why Did It Have to Be Quakes?]]: WhyDidItHaveToBeSnakes: Edgeworth fears earthquakes so profoundly that a bad spot of turbulence on an airplane triggers his phobia. He passes out and lies unconscious for a full ten minutes.



** Especially bad because Portsman ''should'' know what the word means; he ''is'' a prosecutor, after all.
* [[YouMeddlingKids You Meddling Prosecutors]]: [[spoiler:Alba]] says this word-for-word at the end.

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** Especially bad because Portsman ''should'' know what the word means; he ''is'' a prosecutor, after all.
* [[YouMeddlingKids You Meddling Prosecutors]]: YouMeddlingKids: [[spoiler:Alba]] says this word-for-word at the end.



* AssholeVictim: Horace Knightley; and Isaac Dover. But even they are eventually out-assholed by [[spoiler:Di-Jun Huang's impostor]]. In fact, the ''only'' characters in [=AAI2=] who averts this trope are [[spoiler:Ethan Rooke and Jack Cameron from the SS-5 Incident]].
** Also averted by [[spoiler:Di-Jun Huang]].[[spoiler:The real one, also from SS-5 Incident]].
** Possibly averted by [[spoiler:Jill Crane.]] It's never made completely clear if she was just at the [[spoiler:black market auction]] to ''catch'' [[spoiler:the conductor]] or to ''kill'' him. And even then, she would've been a SympatheticMurderer, and he would've been this.

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* AssholeVictim: Horace Knightley; and Isaac Dover. But even they are eventually out-assholed by AssholeVictim:
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[[spoiler:Di-Jun Huang's impostor]]. In fact, impostor, the ''only'' characters in [=AAI2=] man who averts this trope are [[spoiler:Ethan Rooke prepared the president's assassination and Jack Cameron from poses as him for years,]] is killed by the SS-5 Incident]].
** Also averted by [[spoiler:Di-Jun Huang]].[[spoiler:The real one, also from SS-5 Incident]].
** Possibly averted by [[spoiler:Jill Crane.]] It's never made completely clear if she was just at the [[spoiler:black market auction]] to ''catch'' [[spoiler:the conductor]] or to ''kill'' him. And even then, she would've been a SympatheticMurderer, and he would've been this.
game's BigBad.



* BackForTheFinale: [[spoiler:Shelly de Killer]], among others.

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* %%** Horace Knightley.
%%** Isaac Dover.
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BackForTheFinale: [[spoiler:Shelly de Killer]], among others.



* TheCameo: [[spoiler:Phoenix and Maya]] appear during case II-5, although here it's easier to generate than in the first game, because it happens during an investigation taking place in the same area so it's much more likely you'll examine the spot that triggers the cameo.
** In case II-3, Ron and Desirée [=DeLite=] from ''Trials and Tribulations'' can be found... "[[PhantomThief admiring]]"... a sculpture in the Winter Palace room.

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* TheCameo: TheCameo:
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[[spoiler:Phoenix and Maya]] appear during case II-5, 5, although here it's easier to generate than in the first game, because it happens during an investigation taking place in the same area so it's much more likely you'll examine the spot that triggers the cameo.
** In case II-3, 3, Ron and Desirée [=DeLite=] from ''Trials and Tribulations'' can be found... "[[PhantomThief admiring]]"... a sculpture in the Winter Palace room.



* ChekhovsBoomerang: [[spoiler: Knightley's chessboard, ring, the correspondence chess memo, and the photo of Dover and Gustavia with their sons. The Moozilla doll owned by the president also gets quite a bit of legwork in the last two cases after showing up in case 1]].

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* ChekhovsBoomerang: [[spoiler: Knightley's [[spoiler:Knightley's chessboard, ring, the correspondence chess memo, and the photo of Dover and Gustavia with their sons. The Moozilla doll owned by the president also gets quite a bit of legwork in the last two cases after showing up in case 1]].



* DialogueTree: Logic Chess combines this with a TimedMission.

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* DialogueTree: Logic Chess combines this with a TimedMission.TimedMission: Edgeworth has to extract information from certain characters by giving the proper replies and asking the right questions. The player must choose wisely between the two or three options available at a time.



* TheDragon: [[spoiler:Blaise Debeste]] to [[spoiler:Huang's impostor]].



* EnhanceButton: ''Twice''. The first time is in case 2, where you must examine surveillance footage from the detention center to determine [[spoiler:''who'' was attacked by ''what'' in the holding cell]]. The second time is in case 5, where you enhance the practice video. This could easily have been [[HandWave Hand Waved]] by saying that everything in the near future (the game's setting) is recorded in HD, including surveillance footage, and that "enhancing" it is actually just zooming in to video data that's already there. Instead, Lang mentions that "the police have a device that lets you analyze the video footage up close and personal," effectively making it this trope.

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* EnhanceButton: ''Twice''.Twice. The first time is in case 2, where you must examine surveillance footage from the detention center to determine [[spoiler:''who'' was attacked by ''what'' in the holding cell]]. The second time is in case 5, where you enhance the practice video. This could easily have been [[HandWave Hand Waved]] by saying that everything in the near future (the game's setting) is recorded in HD, including surveillance footage, and that "enhancing" it is actually just zooming in to video data that's already there. Instead, Lang mentions that "the police have a device that lets you analyze the video footage up close and personal," personal", effectively making it this trope.



** At one point in the game, Simon says that he doesn't like sweets. [[spoiler:Gee, I wonder why]].


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* BigBad: [[spoiler:Quercus Alba]].

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* BigBad: [[spoiler:Quercus Alba]]. Alba, current ambassador of Allehbast,]] is the leader of the international smuggling ring Franziska has been investigating since before the game even started. He ordered the murder of Cece Yew, thus kickstarting the KG-8 incident in the game's backstory. He personally kills Manny Coachen and Mask☆[=DeMasque=] II, kickstarting Case 5. He's also responsible for the counterfeit bill chaos in the Republic of Zheng Fa. [[MarathonBoss And it takes a significantly long amount of time to prove all of his misdeeds]] because of his stubbornness [[spoiler:and his extraterritorial rights as an ambassador]].



* BigBad: [[spoiler: Simon Keyes]]

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* %%* BigBad: [[spoiler: Simon Keyes]][[spoiler:Simon Keyes.]]
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