History VideoGame / ShinMegamiTenseiIV

25th Apr '17 8:29:38 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* SadisticChoice: [[spoiler:In the Chaos ending's PlayableEpilogue, a Mikado woman will be cornered by some Halphas and offered a choice: remain human and die, or take a Red and become a demon.]]

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* SadisticChoice: [[spoiler:In SadisticChoice:
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the Chaos ending's PlayableEpilogue, a [[spoiler:a Mikado woman will be cornered by some Halphas and offered a choice: remain human and die, or take a Red and become a demon.]] ]]
** In [[spoiler:Infernal Tokyo]], there's really only two choices of life for every human who's not a merchant NPC: become a Demonoid and war with Demonoids of other clans for the right to exist, or become a Neurisher who primarily exists as an energy source for Demonoids.
25th Apr '17 7:40:32 PM Materioptikon
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* AmputationStopsSpread: Mentioned ''not'' to work with Pluto's poison.
13th Apr '17 5:47:32 PM Gosicrystal
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* LostForever:
** Anything in [[spoiler:Blasted and Infernal Tokyo]] becomes this if you take the law path. [[spoiler: Which is justified, considering that Merkabah has [[KillEmAll other plans with the gate]].]]
** It's impossible to complete the terminal quest in all the routes except for Neutral; even then, if you somehow miss a terminal in one of the final dungeons, you're screwed.
** In the Law and Chaos paths, several Challenge Quests become "Closed" permanently if they're not completed by the time you lock in your alignment. See the above [[spoiler:alternate Tokyo]] examples for the Law path; in the case of the Chaos path, [[spoiler:all quests pertaining to the Eastern Kingdom of Mikado are closed as you've declared war on Mikado.]] Even the Neutral path isn't safe: dally too long, and the requester will be too busy [[spoiler:migrating to Tokyo before the Ceiling comes down]] to let you complete those quests.


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* PermanentlyMissableContent:
** Anything in [[spoiler:Blasted and Infernal Tokyo]] becomes this if you take the law path. [[spoiler:Which is justified, considering that Merkabah has [[KillEmAll other plans with the gate]].]]
** It's impossible to complete the terminal quest in all the routes except for Neutral; even then, if you somehow miss a terminal in one of the final dungeons, you're screwed.
** In the Law and Chaos paths, several Challenge Quests become "Closed" permanently if they're not completed by the time you lock in your alignment. In the case of the Chaos path, [[spoiler:all quests pertaining to the Eastern Kingdom of Mikado are closed as you've declared war on Mikado.]] Even the Neutral path isn't safe: dally too long, and the requester will be too busy [[spoiler:migrating to Tokyo before the Ceiling comes down]] to let you complete those quests.
25th Mar '17 1:37:50 PM nombretomado
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Not to be confused with ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiStrangeJourney'', a NintendoDS game which used the working title ''Shin Megami Tensei IV'' before they decided not to set it in [[TokyoIsTheCenterOfTheUniverse Tokyo]].

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Not to be confused with ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiStrangeJourney'', a NintendoDS UsefulNotes/NintendoDS game which used the working title ''Shin Megami Tensei IV'' before they decided not to set it in [[TokyoIsTheCenterOfTheUniverse Tokyo]].
22nd Mar '17 8:52:21 AM finalsurvivor1
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** The ultimate Law-exclusive boss is [[spoiler:Mastema]] from ''Strange Journey'', but what puts the fight here is that a lot of what he says upon losing is eerily similar to what he says before and after his fight in that game.
4th Mar '17 11:04:45 PM CaliburnAbsoluteEX
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** [[spoiler: Hariti has her son Priyankara kidnapped and she has no idea what happened to him. Thankfully Flynn can save the boy and reunite mother and son.]]
** [[spoiler: Parents sending their children to Roppongi Hills when the Ashura-kai promise their children will have a future. They don't mention what that [[HumanResources future will be]]. One mother even breaks down once the war starts since she sent her son there recently believing they could take care of him better than her.]]
* AdvertisedExtra: Navarre and Commander Hope. The former features prominently with the main characters in much of the promotional material, but he's actually just an obnoxious StarterVillain who has no mandatory appearances following the first arc. The latter has an [[ManInWhite appearance]], [[KnightInShiningArmor personality]], and [[SupportingLeader job title]] worthy of a BigGood, but in reality he's a puppet of the corrupt Monastery (and depressingly aware of it), and by the time you reach Tokyo and start meeting the people ''really'' in the know about the plot he's a total nonentity.

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** [[spoiler: Hariti [[spoiler:Hariti has her son Priyankara kidnapped and she has no idea what happened to him. Thankfully Flynn can save the boy and reunite mother and son.]]
** [[spoiler: Parents [[spoiler:Parents sending their children to Roppongi Hills when the Ashura-kai promise their children will have a future. They don't mention what that [[HumanResources future will be]]. One mother even breaks down once the war starts since she sent her son there recently believing they could take care of him better than her.]]
* AdvertisedExtra: Navarre and Commander Hope. The former features prominently with the main characters in much of the promotional material, but he's actually just an obnoxious StarterVillain who has no mandatory appearances following the first arc.arc (though he does become an AscendedExtra in [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse the sequel]]). The latter has an [[ManInWhite appearance]], [[KnightInShiningArmor personality]], and [[SupportingLeader job title]] worthy of a BigGood, but in reality he's a puppet of the corrupt Monastery (and depressingly aware of it), and by the time you reach Tokyo and start meeting the people ''really'' in the know about the plot he's a total nonentity.



* AmazonBrigade: Team Red from one of the Challenge Quests. Made up of a Apsara Horde, Persephone, Lorelei, Silky, and their leader Tiamat. They're mentioned to usually wipe out all members of Team White in the previous battles between both teams.
** [[spoiler: Isabeau sports a full team of female demons whenever you fight her in the Law and Chaos paths.]]

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* AmazonBrigade: AmazonBrigade:
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Team Red from one of the Challenge Quests. Made up of a Apsara Horde, Persephone, Lorelei, Silky, and their leader Tiamat. They're mentioned to usually wipe out all members of Team White in the previous battles between both teams.
** [[spoiler: Isabeau [[spoiler:Isabeau sports a full team of female demons whenever you fight her in the Law and Chaos paths.]]



* AnachronismStew: The game opens in 1492 by the Gregorian calendar, with the kingdom being founded in the first year of said calendar. However, the Gregorian calendar wasn't even invented until 1582. On top of that, for some reason the Samurai of East Mikado have demon summoning gauntlets with computers and {{holographic terminal}}s in them. [[spoiler:This is on account of time flowing at different rates for it and Tokyo, where that technology comes from.]]
* AndThenJohnWasAZombie: [[spoiler: Nozomi]] accepts the destiny to eventually lead the Fairies as their new leader, if you do the appropriate sidequests. This doesn't affect the main plot.

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* AnachronismStew: The game opens in 1492 by the Gregorian calendar, with the kingdom being founded in the first year of said calendar. However, the Gregorian calendar wasn't even invented until 1582. On top of that, for some reason the Samurai of East the Eastern Kingdom of Mikado have demon summoning gauntlets with computers and {{holographic terminal}}s in them. [[spoiler:This is on account of time flowing at different rates for it and Tokyo, where that technology comes from.]]
* AndThenJohnWasAZombie: [[spoiler: Nozomi]] [[spoiler:Nozomi]] accepts the destiny to eventually lead the Fairies as their new leader, if you do the appropriate sidequests. This doesn't affect the main plot.



* AssistCharacter: Jonathan, Walter and Isabeau all function as an assist character; one of them will almost always be present during a battle and will occasionally chuck in attack spells or healing to help you. Once in a while the enemy will target them instead of your party, too.
* AttackOfThe50FootWhatever: [[spoiler: Masakado's Shadow]]

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* AssistCharacter: Jonathan, Walter and Isabeau all function as an a assist character; characters; one of them will almost always be present during a battle and will occasionally chuck in attack spells or healing to help you. Once in a while the enemy will target them instead of your party, too.
* AttackOfThe50FootWhatever: [[spoiler: Masakado's [[spoiler:Masakado's Shadow]]



** In the members-only Ginza shops, you can buy Almighty Rounds, which are your one infinite-use means of inflicting Almighty damage. However, they are horrendously expensive ([[AdamSmithHatesYourGuts and even moreso on Master difficulty]], where they cost ''1.3 million'' Macca!) and they have an attack power of 20, which is weaker than even most early-game bullets.

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** In the members-only Ginza shops, you can buy Almighty Rounds, which are your one infinite-use means of inflicting Almighty damage. However, they are horrendously expensive ([[AdamSmithHatesYourGuts and even moreso more so on Master difficulty]], where they cost ''1.3 million'' Macca!) and they have an attack power of 20, which is weaker than even most early-game bullets.the first bullets you come across.



* BackFromTheDead: [[spoiler: Osiris in the Quest ''Osiris' Ressurection''. The Goddess of Tokyo in the Neutral Route. Ishtar on the Chaos Route.]]

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* BackFromTheDead: [[spoiler: Osiris [[spoiler:Osiris in the Quest ''Osiris' Ressurection''. The Resurrection'', the Goddess of Tokyo in the Neutral Route. Route, and Ishtar on the Chaos Route.]]



* BadassLongcoat: Some Samurai wear blue longcoats with white trim as part of their uniforms, while the rest just wear plate mail armor. The Commander wears a white longcoat with blue trim instead, which can be acceseed through DLC as the White Samurai armor set.

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* BadassLongcoat: Some Samurai wear blue longcoats with white trim as part of their uniforms, while the rest just wear plate mail armor. The Commander wears a white longcoat with blue trim instead, which can be acceseed accessed through DLC as the White Samurai armor set.



** For the Law Route, there's [[spoiler: Gabriel of the Four Archangels.]], while the Chaos route features [[spoiler: Lucifer]] in this role.

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** For the Law Route, there's [[spoiler: Gabriel [[spoiler:Gabriel of the Four Archangels.]], while the Chaos route features [[spoiler: Lucifer]] in this role.



* BossBanter: Many of this game's boss fights will have this occur partway through the fight, usually somewhere after you've passed the halfway mark. In an interesting variation, the player is given a choice of responses. Pick the right response, something good usually happens, pick the wrong one and suffer (usually you're allowed to just ignore them instead for no effect).

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* BossBanter: BossBanter:
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Many of this game's boss fights will have this occur partway through the fight, usually somewhere after you've passed the halfway mark. In an interesting variation, the player is given a choice of responses. Pick the right response, something good usually happens, pick the wrong one and suffer (usually you're allowed to just ignore them instead for no effect).



** Occasionally when encoutering midbosses or {{Bonus Boss}}es, particularly without warning:

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** Occasionally when encoutering encountering midbosses or {{Bonus Boss}}es, particularly without warning:



** Better example would be the collective experience/macca/app point [=DLCs=]:

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** Better example would be the collective experience/macca/app experience/Macca/app point [=DLCs=]:



* BrokenAesop: The White trying to convince the hero to flip the table would be a pretty devastating, self-aware critique on just how [[CrapsackWorld Crapsack]] the SMT-verse is, and how it indeed can cause DarknessInducedAudienceApathy. However, their methods of trying to convey this message kind of fall flat: the [[spoiler: [[BadFuture Bad Futures]] they send you to not only have genuinely likeable characters, but they're arguably only marginally worse than the present, and by the end of both you're made them better places by putting the [[NiceGuy Akiras]] in charge. On the other hand, both worlds represent the logical end to the machinations of Law and Chaos, and both are just as bad as the other for different reasons.]] Then again, it could be an in-verse case of AccidentalAesop; no matter how bad things seem to be, [[WorldHalfFull there's always a way of making it ever so slightly better.]]
** Burroughs herself will [[spoiler: comment on how screwed up the White is, so it doesn't seem like the player is expected to find their arguments compelling, to say the least.]]
* BrownNote: The Literature that the Black Samurai distributes throughout Mikado turns the citizens of Mikado into bloodthirsty demons gone insane. The kicker? [[spoiler:There is nothing supernatural about the Literature; it's ''ordinary, real-world literature.'' The idea is that the concepts of dystopian classism and such are so deeply ingranted within the people of Mikado that the very idea that society can work otherwise outright ''breaks'' them.]]

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* BrokenAesop: The White trying to convince the hero to flip the table would be a pretty devastating, self-aware critique on just how [[CrapsackWorld Crapsack]] the SMT-verse is, and how it indeed can cause DarknessInducedAudienceApathy. However, their methods of trying to convey this message kind of fall flat: the [[spoiler: [[BadFuture Bad Futures]] they send you to not only have genuinely likeable likable characters, but they're arguably only marginally worse than the present, and by the end of both you're made them better places by putting the [[NiceGuy Akiras]] in charge. On the other hand, both worlds represent the logical end to the machinations of Law and Chaos, and both are just as bad as the other for different reasons.]] Then again, it could be an in-verse case of AccidentalAesop; no matter how bad things seem to be, [[WorldHalfFull there's always a way of making it ever so slightly better.]]
** Burroughs herself will [[spoiler: comment [[spoiler:comment on how screwed up the White is, so it doesn't seem like the player is expected to find their arguments compelling, to say the least.]]
* BrownNote: The Literature that the Black Samurai distributes throughout Mikado turns the citizens of Mikado into bloodthirsty demons gone insane. The kicker? [[spoiler:There is nothing supernatural about the Literature; it's ''ordinary, real-world literature.'' The idea is that the concepts of dystopian classism and such are so deeply ingranted ingrained within the people of Mikado that the very idea that society can work otherwise outright ''breaks'' them.]]



* ClarkesThirdLaw: The people of East Mikado don't really understand electronics and consider technology to be mystical artifacts, including the demon summoning gauntlet. Then again, it lets you cast spells, so they're at least ''half'' right. [[spoiler:The "magical" portal between worlds is actually an advanced particle accelerator originally built to study black holes.]]
* ClimaxBoss: There are three, but you can only fight two. The first is the rematch with the Lilim Horde that charmed Flynn, Jonathan, and Walter in Kiccigiorgi Forest. The other two are [[spoiler:Lilith, the Black Samurai's true form you fight if you side with Jonathan, and Yamato-Takeru, Tayama's strongest demon. The White are fought too late to be considered this.]]

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* ClarkesThirdLaw: The people of East Mikado don't really understand electronics and consider technology to be mystical artifacts, including the demon summoning gauntlet. Then again, it lets you cast spells, so they're at least ''half'' right. [[spoiler:The "magical" portal between worlds is actually an advanced particle accelerator originally built to study black holes.]]
* ClimaxBoss: There are three, but you can only fight two. The first is the rematch with the Lilim Horde that charmed Flynn, Jonathan, and Walter in Kiccigiorgi Forest. The other two are [[spoiler:Lilith, the Black Samurai's true form you fight if you side with Jonathan, and Yamato-Takeru, Tayama's strongest demon.demon, if you side with Walter. The White are fought too late to be considered this.]]



** [[spoiler: A Demonoid in Infernal Tokyo mentions that the Demon Summoning Program was [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI distributed freely through the Internet]]. Kiyoharu also reacts oddly to the comment the Samurai received the Gauntlet in a special Rite; as far as he knows, the program is freeware disseminated before God's Wrath.]]

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** [[spoiler: A [[spoiler:A Demonoid in Infernal Tokyo mentions that the Demon Summoning Program was [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI distributed freely through the Internet]]. Kiyoharu also reacts oddly to the comment the Samurai received the Gauntlet in a special Rite; as far as he knows, the program is freeware disseminated before God's Wrath.]]



** [[spoiler: Sanat]] has a number of unique skills including Deadly Fury, Gaea Rage, and Javelin Rain. These same skills were also unique to the Demi-fiend from VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiNocturne.

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** [[spoiler: Sanat]] [[spoiler:Sanat]] has a number of unique skills including Deadly Fury, Gaea Rage, and Javelin Rain. These same skills were also unique to the Demi-fiend from VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiNocturne.



* CreatureHunterOrganization: The Samurai in Mikado, who are tasked mainly with hunting the demons that swell in Naraku. Tokyo has the Hunter Assocation, tasked primarily with hunting demons that prowl the streets.

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* CreatureHunterOrganization: The Samurai in Mikado, who are tasked mainly with hunting the demons that swell in Naraku. Tokyo has the Hunter Assocation, Association, tasked primarily with hunting demons that prowl the streets.



* DeathWorld: Tokyo essentially fits this bill after it gets sealed off ([[spoiler: the rest of the world was nuked except for the incarnation in Infernal Tokyo]]). Demons that attack on sight are everywhere, and the only way to keep them from killing you is if you kill them first or through negotiation. You could also feed them a Red, but [[spoiler: if you're outside of the Ashura-Kai's protective circle, you'll be [[HumanResources made into them]].]] There are poisonous lakes around the city and with no sun, growing food is difficult, and the lack of natural game forces people to hunt and kill demons for food. [[spoiler: Blasted Tokyo is even worse off as the air is toxic, the water is lethal and the poison has a 100% kill rate, while the land is a desert filled with demons that are trying to wipe out the unclean in God's name. Infernal Tokyo on the other hand is an eternal warzone between clans of Demonoids fighting for power, with Tokyo's infrastructure, while at least recognizable unlike in Blasted Tokyo, in various states of sheer disrepair.]]

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* DeathWorld: Tokyo essentially fits this bill after it gets sealed off ([[spoiler: the rest of the world was nuked except for the incarnation in Infernal Tokyo]]). Demons that attack on sight are everywhere, and the only way to keep them from killing you is if you kill them first or through negotiation. You could also feed them a Red, but [[spoiler: if you're outside of the Ashura-Kai's protective circle, you'll be [[HumanResources made into them]].]] There are poisonous lakes around the city and with no sun, growing food is difficult, and the lack of natural game forces people to hunt and kill demons for food. [[spoiler: Blasted Tokyo is even worse off as the air is toxic, the water is lethal and the poison has a 100% kill rate, while the land is a desert filled with demons that are trying to wipe out the unclean in God's name. Infernal Tokyo on the other hand is an eternal warzone war zone between clans of Demonoids fighting for power, with Tokyo's infrastructure, while at least recognizable unlike in Blasted Tokyo, in various states of sheer disrepair.]]



* DemotedToExtra: [[spoiler: Beelzebub's role as Dragon has also been taken over by Lilith, and only appears as a BonusBoss.]]
** Asura went from being a major player in the BigBadEnsemble in [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI the first game]] to a forgettable MiniBoss here.

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* DemotedToExtra: DemotedToExtra:
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[[spoiler: Beelzebub's role as Dragon has also been taken over by Lilith, and he only appears as a BonusBoss.]]
** Asura went from being a major player in the BigBadEnsemble in [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI the first game]] to a major boss in ''[[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiStrangeJourney Strange Journey]]'' to a forgettable MiniBoss here.



* DespairGambit: [[spoiler: The White's true plans.]]

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* DespairGambit: [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The White's true plans.]]



* DiscOneFinalDungeon: Camp Ichigaya is the last major facility you travel through before [[spoiler:you activate the Yamato Perpetrual Reactor and get whisked to the AlternateTimeline versions of Tokyo.]] It's also where you face the...

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* DiscOneFinalDungeon: Camp Ichigaya is the last major facility you travel through before [[spoiler:you activate the Yamato Perpetrual Perpetual Reactor and get whisked to the AlternateTimeline versions of Tokyo.]] It's also where you face the...



* DiscOneNuke: Not long after you get into the World Map, you can reach Ikebukuro area and fight demons that is far stronger than you are, while still being beatable. By staying here and killing some of these demons (such as Zhen), you can get a couple of levels before actually getting to the point where you need to go to Ikebukuro.
** Ironically, many players find this by accident thanks to the [[ScrappyMechanic annoying World Map]].
** Angel, Heqet, and Gremlin are three easily found demons in the early game, and will evolve into much more powerful forms around the early sections of Tokyo, making the above trick even easier. Or you could take the time or money to summon one of the early Special Summons; in particular Fortuna is quite powerful.

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* DiscOneNuke: DiscOneNuke:
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Not long after you get into the World Map, you can reach Ikebukuro area and fight demons that is are far stronger than you are, while still being beatable. By staying here and killing some of these demons (such as Zhen), you can get a couple of levels before actually getting to the point where you need to go to Ikebukuro. \n** Ironically, many players find this by accident thanks to the [[ScrappyMechanic annoying World Map]].
** Angel, Heqet, and Gremlin are three easily found demons in the early game, and will evolve into much more powerful forms around the early sections of Tokyo, making the above trick even easier. Or you could take the time or money to summon one of the early Special Summons; in particular particular, Fortuna is quite powerful.



* DownloadableContent: Different hairtstyles, armor based on bosses and other designs, three expansion map packs for leveling up easier, PaletteSwap demons, and BonusBoss battles against the likes of [[spoiler:the Four Archangels, Ancient of Days, Sanat, and Masakado.]]

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* DownloadableContent: Different hairtstyles, hairstyles, armor based on bosses and other designs, three expansion map packs for leveling up easier, PaletteSwap demons, and BonusBoss battles against the likes of [[spoiler:the Four Archangels, Ancient of Days, Sanat, and Masakado.]]



* DullSurprise: Due to Masayuki Doi's art, character art doesn't emote much certain, specific cutscenes. In most regular cutscenes in which the characters emote, this is averted.
* DumpStat: Strength and Dexterity only increase your standard attacks and attacks of those types, whereas Magic increases the power of all spells; thanks to LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards, it might be better to focus on that stat when levelling up your character. Having 100 Strength, however, allows you to get the InfinityPlusOneSword on the Neutral route...
** It's actually more of an inversion of LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards, magic starts strong and remains strong as long as you keep pumping points into the magic stat, but for physical, if you keep pumping dexterity for physical skill damage, luck for reliable crits, and agility for more hits on multihit skills and accuracy, then a physical build will end up winning in damage because magic lacks skills that have both high hit counts and good damage, and still getting press turns because of the crits. The only thing a physical build lacks early on is the stats and skills required to get that kind of damage.

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* DullSurprise: Due to Masayuki Doi's art, character art doesn't emote much in certain, specific cutscenes. In most regular cutscenes in which the characters emote, this is averted.
* DumpStat: Strength and Dexterity only increase your standard attacks and attacks of those types, whereas Magic increases the power of all spells; thanks to LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards, it might be better to focus on that stat when levelling leveling up your character. Having 100 Strength, however, allows you to get the InfinityPlusOneSword on the Neutral route...
** It's actually more of an inversion of LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards, magic starts strong and remains strong as long as you keep pumping points into the magic stat, but for physical, if you keep pumping dexterity for physical skill damage, luck for reliable crits, and agility for more hits on multihit multi-hit skills and accuracy, then a physical build will end up winning in damage because magic lacks skills that have both high hit counts and good damage, and still getting press turns because of the crits. The only thing a physical build lacks early on is the stats and skills required to get that kind of damage.



* EarthAllAlong: ItWasHisSled, but the region of Conntow (and, by extention, the Eastern Kingdom of Mikado) is above Japan's region of Kanto (with Mikado being directly above Tokyo).

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* EarthAllAlong: ItWasHisSled, but the region of Conntow (and, by extention, extension, the Eastern Kingdom of Mikado) is above Japan's region of Kanto (with Mikado being directly above Tokyo).



** Really, there's a LOT of these. Pay attention to your fellow Samurai, especially Walter, when they're shown behind a speaker in many events.

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** Really, there's there are a LOT of these. Pay attention to your fellow Samurai, especially Walter, when they're shown behind a speaker in many events.



* GetBackHereBoss: Three appear in Challenge Quests. Sun Wukong, Cerberus Hell Horde, and a NewGamePlus one against Kartikeya [[spoiler: in Infernal Tokyo]].

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* GetBackHereBoss: Three appear in Challenge Quests. Sun Wukong, Cerberus Hell Horde, and a NewGamePlus one against Kartikeya [[spoiler: in [[spoiler:in Infernal Tokyo]].



* GoMadFromTheRevelation: This is what the [[spoiler: Black Samurai's Literature]] does. Basically, [[spoiler: non-Samurai Casualries who read it ultimately build up so much resentment at all the Luxuror-crafted barricades to full happiness that they go demonically insane with rage. ''[[BalefulPolymorph Literally]]'' demonic. Although the literature itself isn't actually magical, what with being such things as ''No Longer Human'' by Osamu Dazai; in other words, ''real world'' literature. Meanwhile, even the Luxurors only get histories, legends, and fairy-stories. In other words, all Mikado ''has'' for books is propaganda.]]
* GodIsEvil: Actually ambiguous, for once. While it's true the actions taken by the likes of [[spoiler: the Archangels]] in His name are reprehensible, the much more moderate [[spoiler: Mastema]] claims he's the only one ''really'' working for the Creator around here, and paints Him in a much more favorable and pro-humanity light. Of course, it's important to bear in mind exactly who's telling us this: one can be forgiven for being slow to trust [[spoiler: Mastema's]] words, especially when you consider [[spoiler: Pluto and the Ancient of Days, the second of which is stated to be a direct avatar of the Big Man Upstairs.]]

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* GoMadFromTheRevelation: This is what the [[spoiler: Black [[spoiler:Black Samurai's Literature]] does. Basically, [[spoiler: non-Samurai [[spoiler:non-Samurai Casualries who read it ultimately build up so much resentment at all the Luxuror-crafted barricades to full happiness that they go demonically insane with rage. ''[[BalefulPolymorph Literally]]'' demonic. Although the literature itself isn't actually magical, what with being such things as ''No Longer Human'' by Osamu Dazai; in other words, ''real world'' literature. Meanwhile, even the Luxurors only get histories, legends, and fairy-stories. In other words, all Mikado ''has'' for books is propaganda.]]
* GodIsEvil: Actually ambiguous, for once. While it's true the actions taken by the likes of [[spoiler: the Archangels]] in His name are reprehensible, the much more moderate [[spoiler: Mastema]] [[spoiler:Mastema]] claims he's the only one ''really'' working for the Creator around here, and paints Him in a much more favorable and pro-humanity light. Of course, it's important to bear in mind exactly who's telling us this: one can be forgiven for being slow to trust [[spoiler: Mastema's]] words, especially when you consider [[spoiler: Pluto and the Ancient of Days, the second of which is stated to be a direct avatar of the Big Man Upstairs.]]



* GuestStarPartyMember: Walter, Jonathan, Isabeau, [[spoiler:Merkabah and Lucifer]] will help out as a fifth party member that can attack enemies and even get knocked out at different points during the story. When there are multiple human party members, then the fifth slot is random and can be any of them.

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* GuestStarPartyMember: Walter, Jonathan, Isabeau, [[spoiler:Merkabah [[spoiler:Merkabah, and Lucifer]] will help out as a fifth party member that can attack enemies and even get knocked out at different points during the story. When there are multiple human party members, then the fifth slot is random and can be any of them.



** The Enoch quest. For one thing, you're not likely to know that it ''even exists'', as you have to talk to Mido post-alignment lock - which is something that wouldn't occur to most players. Additionally, unless you know about the myth, [[spoiler: it wouldn't occur to you that Enoch is Metatron.]]

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** The Enoch quest. For one thing, you're not likely to know that it ''even exists'', as you have to talk to Mido post-alignment lock - which is something that wouldn't occur to most players. Additionally, unless you know about the myth, [[spoiler: it [[spoiler:it wouldn't occur to you that Enoch is Metatron.]]



* HeroAntagonist: It won't be apparent on a first playthrough, but [[spoiler: Murmur, Gemori, and Asmodeus]] are this.

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* HeroAntagonist: It won't be apparent on a first playthrough, but [[spoiler: Murmur, [[spoiler:Murmur, Gemori, and Asmodeus]] are this.



** [[spoiler:In Infernal Tokyo, [[HalfHumanHybrid Demonoids]] directly extract neurotransmitters from Neurishers, humans with special equipment designed to facilitate extraction. Unlike in the case of Tayama's seedbeds, the Neurishers voluntarily sign up for the job, and are capable of continued motor functions such as speech and walking if feeded upon in moderation.]]

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** [[spoiler:In Infernal Tokyo, [[HalfHumanHybrid Demonoids]] directly extract neurotransmitters from Neurishers, humans with special equipment designed to facilitate extraction. Unlike in the case of Tayama's seedbeds, the Neurishers voluntarily sign up for the job, and are capable of continued motor functions such as speech and walking if feeded fed upon in moderation.]]



* ILied: During the sidequest to unlock the member-exclusive shopping section of Ginza, you need to get a Gold Card as part of the process. [[spoiler:The Hunter offering it asks for 5,000 Macca. Acept, and he'll double the price to 10,000.]]

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* ILied: During the sidequest to unlock the member-exclusive shopping section of Ginza, you need to get a Gold Card as part of the process. [[spoiler:The Hunter offering it asks for 5,000 Macca. Acept, Accept, and he'll double the price to 10,000.10,000. There's no way you can accept it for his initial offering price, either.]]



* KnowWhenToFoldEm: Unlike in past games you can't simply give demons items and expect them to join half the time. Now you have to end talks after giving them a certain amount or else they will certainly flee. Sometimes a demon will stop to negotiate with you if the battle isn't going their way, either giving you an item[=/=]macca before leaving or offer to join you. [[LuckBasedMission This is the few ways to recruit most Undead race enemies into your team.]] [[spoiler: There's an App that makes demons convince their friends to join you at the same time they do, netting you two demons for the cost of one - while it won't work by directly inviting the Undead, leaving only that demon and one other will make the other demon invite the Undead to join as well. However, this doesn't work on Corpses.]]
* LaserGuidedAmnesia: [[spoiler: Odin is suffering from this and has taken the form of a old man speaking stories of Wodan. Thor's decided the best way to make him regain his memories is [[BloodKnight to have him witness several battles]]. Odin regains his memories during the battle between Flynn and Thor, stops the fight, and offers the two Hunters and Flynn a place at [[WarriorHeaven Valhalla]] after they pass away one day.]]

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* KnowWhenToFoldEm: Unlike in past games you can't simply give demons items and expect them to join half the time. Now you have to end talks after giving them a certain amount or else they will certainly flee. Sometimes a demon will stop to negotiate with you if the battle isn't going their way, either giving you an item[=/=]macca item/Macca before leaving or offer to join you. [[LuckBasedMission This is the few ways to recruit most Undead race enemies into your team.]] [[spoiler: There's an App that makes demons convince their friends to join you at the same time they do, netting you two demons for the cost of one - while it won't work by directly inviting the Undead, leaving only that demon and one other will make the other demon invite the Undead to join as well. However, this doesn't work on Corpses.]]
* LaserGuidedAmnesia: [[spoiler: Odin [[spoiler:Odin is suffering from this and has taken the form of a old man speaking stories of Wodan. Thor's decided the best way to make him regain his memories is [[BloodKnight to have him witness several battles]]. Odin regains his memories during the battle between Flynn and Thor, stops the fight, and offers the two Hunters and Flynn a place at [[WarriorHeaven Valhalla]] after they pass away one day.]]



** Anything in [[spoiler: Blasted and Infernal Tokyo]] becomes this if you take the law path. [[spoiler: Which is justified, considering that Merkabah has [[KillEmAll other plans with the gate]].]]

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** Anything in [[spoiler: Blasted [[spoiler:Blasted and Infernal Tokyo]] becomes this if you take the law path. [[spoiler: Which is justified, considering that Merkabah has [[KillEmAll other plans with the gate]].]]



*** Raphael can be a tremendous drain on resources. He can inflict Brand too via ''Stigmata Strike'', and deplete everyone's life while restocking his with ''Serpent of Sheol''. [[HoistByHisOwnPetard It may be possible to reflect the attack back at Raphael, and have him get afflicted with Brand]] since Stigmata Strike is a ''physical'' attack.

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*** Raphael can be a tremendous drain on resources. He can inflict Brand too via ''Stigmata Strike'', and deplete everyone's life while restocking replenishing his with ''Serpent of Sheol''. [[HoistByHisOwnPetard It may be possible to reflect the attack back at Raphael, and have him get afflicted with Brand]] since Stigmata Strike is a ''physical'' attack.



* MoneyGrinding: Since most foes don't give Macca the best ways to get Macca is through the Money Grinding DLC "Money Makes the Underworld Turn" or later in the game when access to Tennozu and Toyosu becomes available, where 5-star Relics spawn there. During the wait for those to respawn one can bind/talk Barbatos then use a Fundraise app, since he typically gives more Macca than most demons in the game.

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* MoneyGrinding: MoneyGrinding:
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Since most foes don't give Macca the best ways to get Macca is through the Money Grinding DLC "Money Makes the Underworld Turn" or later in the game when access to Tennozu and Toyosu becomes available, where 5-star Relics spawn there. During the wait for those to respawn one can bind/talk Barbatos then use a Fundraise app, since he typically gives more Macca than most demons in the game.



* NippleAndDimed: Diana, [[spoiler: Lilith, and Merkabah]] lack nipples on their ingame artwork. The latter two do have them in the official artbook.

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* NippleAndDimed: Diana, [[spoiler: Lilith, and Merkabah]] lack nipples on their ingame in-game artwork. The latter two do have them in the official artbook.



* NoPlaceForMeThere: [[spoiler: Merkabah in the Law ending. Since he and Flynn created their utopia by leaving a trail of corpses behind them, he's well aware he's no better than the scum he killed, so he opts to remain with Flynn in the Reactor Chamber as he overloads the machine]].

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* NoPlaceForMeThere: [[spoiler: Merkabah [[spoiler:Merkabah in the Law ending. Since he and Flynn created their utopia by leaving a trail of corpses behind them, he's well aware he's no better than the scum he killed, so he opts to remain with Flynn in the Reactor Chamber as he overloads the machine]].



** [[spoiler:In the Alternate Desert/Blasted Tokyo, the cyberdemon Pluto is attempting to wipe out all life on God's orders.]]

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** [[spoiler:In the Alternate Desert/Blasted Tokyo, the cyberdemon Cyber demon Pluto is attempting to wipe out all life on God's orders.]]



** Another twist on it is that the Ashura-Kai talk and act like paramilitary yakuza, with rather scummy attitudes and shifty, underhanded negotiators, instead of the typical "holier-than-thou" attitude espoused by most Law types. The Ring of Gaea are strength-worshippers, but they worship ''human'' strength and dress like ascetic monks; it seems they only accept members who are strong enough to beat a demon to death with their bare hands. What demons work for the Ring of Gaea seem to be those that they've personally beaten the crap out of and bested, rather than ones bought with macca like the Ashura-Kai.

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** Another twist on it is that the Ashura-Kai talk and act like paramilitary yakuza, with rather scummy attitudes and shifty, underhanded negotiators, instead of the typical "holier-than-thou" attitude espoused by most Law types. The Ring of Gaea are strength-worshippers, but they worship ''human'' strength and dress like ascetic monks; it seems they only accept members who are strong enough to beat a demon to death with their bare hands. What demons work for the Ring of Gaea seem to be those that they've personally beaten the crap out of and bested, rather than ones bought with macca Macca like the Ashura-Kai.



* PiecesOfGod: [[spoiler: Minako's collecting souls of powerful demons that originate from Ishtar, hoping to revive her by consuming the three largest - Astaroth's, Mother Harlot's, and Asherah's. After consuming the three she takes a Red Pill, sacrificing her body, mind and soul to revive her. She succeeds, and Ishtar even comments there's still a piece of Minako's mind within her.]]

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* PiecesOfGod: [[spoiler: Minako's [[spoiler:Minako's collecting souls of powerful demons that originate from Ishtar, hoping to revive her by consuming the three largest - Astaroth's, Mother Harlot's, and Asherah's. After consuming the three she takes a Red Pill, sacrificing her body, mind and soul to revive her. She succeeds, and Ishtar even comments there's still a piece of Minako's mind within her.]]



* ThePurge: Shortly after the Black Samurai infiltrates Mikado with her "Literature", [[spoiler:the higher-ups of Mikado instate the mass executions of those who have read it, with the intention of stalling the demon transofrmation epidemic.]]

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* ThePurge: Shortly after the Black Samurai infiltrates Mikado with her "Literature", [[spoiler:the higher-ups of Mikado instate the mass executions of those who have read it, with the intention of stalling the demon transofrmation transformation epidemic.]]



* RecycledPremise: The Bad Ending of this game is very similar to the one in ''Videogame/{{Persona 3}}''. Both are triggered via selecting "Yes" at an obvious dialogue flag, both options are presented by a nihilistic character who feels you have no chance of succeeding in your quest, both involve [[spoiler: the effective MercyKill of the entire human race to spare it the agonies of the conflict]], and both leave about a quarter of the game unplayed.

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* RecycledPremise: The Bad Ending of this game is very similar to the one in ''Videogame/{{Persona 3}}''.''VideoGame/Persona3''. Both are triggered via selecting "Yes" at an obvious dialogue flag, both options are presented by a nihilistic character who feels you have no chance of succeeding in your quest, both involve [[spoiler: the effective MercyKill of the entire human race to spare it the agonies of the conflict]], and both leave about a quarter of the game unplayed.



* SceneryGorn: [[spoiler:Blasted Tokyo and Infernal Tokyo. The former is a Tokyo reduced to a barren desert by the angels, with massive craters where the major districts once stood. The latter is a Tokyo turned into a warzone by the various Demonoid factions, with heavy smoke, various fires, ruined buildings, and piles of rubble lining the streets.]]

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* SceneryGorn: [[spoiler:Blasted Tokyo and Infernal Tokyo. The former is a Tokyo reduced to a barren desert by the angels, with massive craters where the major districts once stood. The latter is a Tokyo turned into a warzone war zone by the various Demonoid factions, with heavy smoke, various fires, ruined buildings, and piles of rubble lining the streets.]]



** Because of the removal of the defense stat, you can inflict much more damage on even end-game demons and bosses than in past games. A charged attack boosted by a High Pleorma can do over 1,000 HP of damage very easily, something you can't easily hit for half of in previous games.

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** Because of the removal of the defense stat, you can inflict much more damage on even end-game demons and bosses than in past games. A charged attack boosted by a High Pleorma Pleroma can do over 1,000 HP of damage very easily, something you can't easily hit for half of in previous games.



** After [[spoiler: the Black Samurai's execution]] one Casualry mentions wanting to read Literature/ParadiseLost.

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** After [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Black Samurai's execution]] one Casualry mentions wanting to read Literature/ParadiseLost.



** [[spoiler: There are Demonoids in Infernal Tokyo that look like [[Film/XMenFirstClass Azazel]].]]
** [[spoiler: Pluto]] sounds a lot like a [[Series/DoctorWho Dalek]].

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** [[spoiler: There [[spoiler:There are Demonoids in Infernal Tokyo that look like [[Film/XMenFirstClass Azazel]].]]
** [[spoiler: Pluto]] [[spoiler:Pluto]] sounds a lot like a [[Series/DoctorWho Dalek]].
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* LethalJokeCharacter: In many areas there will be at least one demon who is a good bit weaker than the others nearby in both level and default skills, but upon leveling up leans an extremely useful move, usually earlier than any other demon can. Examples include Mandrake in Shinjuku (earliest source of Bind Voice, which paralyzes all enemies), Goblin in Shibuya (Charge, more than doubles the power of physical attacks), and Nadja in [[spoiler: Blasted Tokyo]] (Samarecarm, revives and fully heals a KO'd demon).
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* CashGate: The Ginza areas. As befitting the odd situation of a group like the [[SocialDarwinist Ring of Gaea]] relating money to power, you will need an ample supply of cash to keep you moving. Your reward for gaining access to the more heavily secured area is... access to the stores that carry the best armor in the game - with prices to match. Well, that and the spawning grounds for the 4 and 5-Star Relics.

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* CashGate: The Ginza areas. As befitting the odd situation of a group like the [[SocialDarwinist Ring of Gaea]] relating money to power, you will need an ample supply of cash to keep you moving. Your reward for gaining access to the more heavily secured area is... is access to the stores that carry the best armor in the game - game... with prices to match. Well, that and the spawning grounds for the 4 and 5-Star Relics.
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* CashGate: The Ginza areas. As befitting the odd situation of a group like the [[SocialDarwinist Ring of Gaea]] relating money to power, you will need an ample supply of cash to keep you moving. Your reward for gaining access to the members-only area is really good equipment...that cost even more money! Well, that and the spawning grounds for the 4 and 5-Star Relics.

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* CashGate: The Ginza areas. As befitting the odd situation of a group like the [[SocialDarwinist Ring of Gaea]] relating money to power, you will need an ample supply of cash to keep you moving. Your reward for gaining access to the members-only more heavily secured area is really good equipment...is... access to the stores that cost even more money! carry the best armor in the game - with prices to match. Well, that and the spawning grounds for the 4 and 5-Star Relics.
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* CashGate: The Ginza areas. As befitting the odd situation of a group like the [[SocialDarwinist Ring of Gaea]] relating money to power, you will need an ample supply of cash to keep you moving. Your reward for gaining access to the members-only area is really good equipment...that cost even more money!

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* CashGate: The Ginza areas. As befitting the odd situation of a group like the [[SocialDarwinist Ring of Gaea]] relating money to power, you will need an ample supply of cash to keep you moving. Your reward for gaining access to the members-only area is really good equipment...that cost even more money!money! Well, that and the spawning grounds for the 4 and 5-Star Relics.
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