Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Deleted line(s) 17 (click to see context) :
* OneOfUs: As stated before, Gene Simmons is a lifelong comic book geek and amateur magician who loves StuffBlowingUp.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
the football team has since folded
Changed line(s) 2 (click to see context) from:
* CashCowFranchise: It's often said that "Most rock bands want to be Music/TheBeatles, but KISS wanted to be Coca-Cola." They have all kinds of licensed merchandise, including action figures, comic books, ''condoms'', and, last but not least, the infamous '''Kiss Kaskets''' (in one of which [[Music/{{Pantera}} Dimebag Darrell]] was buried). As of 2013, Gene and Paul now own their own arena football team in Los Angeles. The team will be named the LA Kiss and use the band's logo. In addition, purchasing a season ticket will also include access to a KISS concert.
to:
* CashCowFranchise: It's often said that "Most rock bands want to be Music/TheBeatles, but KISS wanted to be Coca-Cola." They have all kinds of licensed merchandise, including action figures, comic books, ''condoms'', and, last but not least, the infamous '''Kiss Kaskets''' (in one of which [[Music/{{Pantera}} Dimebag Darrell]] was buried). As of 2013, From 2013 to 2016, Gene and Paul now own owned their own arena football team in Los Angeles. The team will was be named the LA Kiss and use used the band's logo. In addition, purchasing a season ticket will also include included access to a KISS concert.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 10 (click to see context) from:
* ExecutiveMeddling: ''Music from "The Elder"'' had its song order rearranged so that both sides would start with songs the record company wanted to be singles. This is why the story on the American edition makes no sense.
to:
* ExecutiveMeddling: One of the contributing factors to ''Music from From "The Elder"'' had its song Elder"'''s failure - the track order rearranged so was meddled with by the studio to put the singles closer to the start. On any other KISS album, that both sides would start with songs might not have mattered, but on a ConceptAlbum, it made the record company wanted storyline almost impossible to be singles. This is why follow. (The correct track order was restored when the story album was reissued on the American edition makes no sense.CD.)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Moving to YMMV
Deleted line(s) 12 (click to see context) :
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The song "Shandi" was a huge hit in Australia, and to this day the band always performs it during live performances in that country. In the United States, "Shandi" is a mostly-forgotten song and only reached 47 on the Billboard charts at the time of its release.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The song "Shandi" was a huge hit in Australia, and to this day the band always performs it during live performances in that country. In the United States, "Shandi" is a mostly-forgotten song and only reached 47 on the Billboard charts at the time of its release.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 2,3 (click to see context) from:
* CashCowFranchise: One of the most {{egregious}} examples in any medium. They have all kinds of licensed merchandise, including action figures, comic books, ''condoms'', and, last but not least, the infamous '''Kiss Kaskets''' (in one of which [[Music/{{Pantera}} Dimebag Darrell]] was buried). As of 2013, Gene and Paul now own their own arena football team in Los Angeles. The team will be named the LA Kiss and use the band's logo. In addition, purchasing a season ticket will also include access to a KISS concert.
** There's a joke that goes "Most rock bands want to be Music/TheBeatles, KISS wanted to be Coca-Cola."
** There's a joke that goes "Most rock bands want to be Music/TheBeatles, KISS wanted to be Coca-Cola."
to:
* CashCowFranchise: One of the most {{egregious}} examples in any medium. It's often said that "Most rock bands want to be Music/TheBeatles, but KISS wanted to be Coca-Cola." They have all kinds of licensed merchandise, including action figures, comic books, ''condoms'', and, last but not least, the infamous '''Kiss Kaskets''' (in one of which [[Music/{{Pantera}} Dimebag Darrell]] was buried). As of 2013, Gene and Paul now own their own arena football team in Los Angeles. The team will be named the LA Kiss and use the band's logo. In addition, purchasing a season ticket will also include access to a KISS concert.
** There's a joke that goes "Most rock bands want to be Music/TheBeatles, KISS wanted to be Coca-Cola."concert.
** There's a joke that goes "Most rock bands want to be Music/TheBeatles, KISS wanted to be Coca-Cola."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 33 (click to see context) from:
to:
** At one point in the 90s, Gene was planning to have Creator/SabanEntertainment create a ''KISS'' cartoon; but Haim Saban himself decided to insult Gene in Hebrew, for whatever reason. Gene flung it back at him, saying "[[BilingualBonus You fool! I am one of you!]]" So any chance of a ''KISS'' toon on Creator/FoxKids were dashed.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 3 (click to see context) from:
** There's a joke that goes "Most rock bands want to be TheBeatles, KISS wanted to be Coca-Cola."
to:
** There's a joke that goes "Most rock bands want to be TheBeatles, Music/TheBeatles, KISS wanted to be Coca-Cola."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 16 (click to see context) from:
* NamesTheSame: Gene is not to be confused with the actress [[Film/{{Spartacus}} Jean]] [[Theatre/GuysAndDolls Simmons]].
to:
* NamesTheSame: Gene is not to be confused with the actress [[Film/{{Spartacus}} Jean]] [[Theatre/GuysAndDolls Simmons]]. Or rockabilly singer Jumpin' Gene Simmons, known for his 1960s novelty hit "Haunted House". Or mass murderer Ronald Gene Simmons, who went by his middle name.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* TheMerch: KISS is infamous for plastering their name and faces on anything they can get their hands on. They are probably the only rock band with their own line of caskets.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
**** As of 2015, for Simmons and Stanley at least this might be revoked. Their animated crossover with Franchise/ScoobyDoo clearly had some callbacks to Phantom of the Park.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* InMemoriam: To Neil Bogart, the founder of Casablanca Records, in ''Creatures Of The Night'', and to Eric Carr in ''Revenge''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 3 (click to see context) from:
** There's a joke about that goes "Most rock bands want to be TheBeatles, KISS wanted to be Coca-Cola."
to:
** There's a joke about that goes "Most rock bands want to be TheBeatles, KISS wanted to be Coca-Cola."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
** There's a joke about that goes "Most rock bands want to be TheBeatles, KISS wanted to be Coca-Cola."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
** Also, the songs on Dynasty and Unmasked were originally far less commercial sounding, but producer Vini Poncia(who had produced Peter Criss's 1978 solo album) insisted on polishing them up.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 16 (click to see context) from:
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: ''The Keep'', the only band that had two former KISS members, Peter Criss and Mark St. John, as official members. Recorded a couple of demos which were poorly received, and the band promptly imploded.
to:
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: ''The Keep'', the only band that had two former KISS members, Peter Criss and Mark St. John, as official members. Recorded a couple of demos which were poorly received, and the band promptly imploded.imploded after some disagreements between Criss and St. John.
** Criss had a short-stint with a female-fronted rock group called "Balls Of Fire" that only played seven live shows before breaking up.
** Criss was also recording a rock album as a follow-up to "One For All" and it was almost finished(the vocals were the only left to add) when both he and his wife were diagnosed with cancer and the project got left on the sidelines.
** Criss was also recording a rock album as a follow-up to "One For All" and it was almost finished(the vocals were the only left to add) when both he and his wife were diagnosed with cancer and the project got left on the sidelines.
Changed line(s) 19 (click to see context) from:
*** What about the amusement park project at the same year ?
to:
Changed line(s) 23 (click to see context) from:
to:
** Vinnie Vincent while auditioning for the band was also in a project with New England drummer Hirsch Gardner called "Warrior" and he recorded a few demos of songs which would later end up on the "Vinnie Vincent Invasion" albums, the demos featured vocals by Jeff Scott Soto and Vinnie himself, the project was ultimately abandoned when Vinnie was accepted into KISS.
*** Vinnie was also working on a project called "Guitars From Hell" in the late 80s/early 90s with Robert Fleschman after the break-up of "Invasion", some demos were recorded but the project fell apart after Vinnie went behind the record labels back and tried to get a better deal elsewhere, leading the label to cancel the project.
*** In the mid-90s he also planned to release a solo album called "Guitarmaggedon" and the "Euphoria" E.P. was a teaser for it, but the album never came out.
*** Vinnie was also working on a project called "Guitars From Hell" in the late 80s/early 90s with Robert Fleschman after the break-up of "Invasion", some demos were recorded but the project fell apart after Vinnie went behind the record labels back and tried to get a better deal elsewhere, leading the label to cancel the project.
*** In the mid-90s he also planned to release a solo album called "Guitarmaggedon" and the "Euphoria" E.P. was a teaser for it, but the album never came out.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 6,7 (click to see context) from:
**** Interestingly, one song, "A World Without Heroes", was revived for the ''MTV Unplugged'' show..
** They didn't have much good to say about their MadeForTVMovie ''KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park'' either.
** They didn't have much good to say about their MadeForTVMovie ''KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park'' either.
to:
*** Both ''Unmasked'' and ''Dynasty'' are generally not fondly remembered by the band due to the overly polished production compared to the last few albums and sounding too far removed from the band's signature sound.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 21 (click to see context) from:
** After Ace Frehley left, before they brought in Vinnie Vincent, KISS seriously considered bringing in Eddie Van Halen. Gene had briefly managed Van Halen before they got their record deal and Eddie was very unhappy with the direction of the band at the time (particularly his frequent clashes with David Lee Roth and being forced to record so many covers). Ultimately both KISS and Eddie decided it would be best if Eddie stuck with Van Halen and KISS sought a new guitarist elsewhere.
to:
** After Ace Frehley left, before they brought in Vinnie Vincent, KISS seriously considered bringing in Eddie Van Halen. Gene had briefly managed Van Halen before they got their record deal and Eddie was very unhappy with the direction of the band at the time (particularly his frequent clashes with David Lee Roth and being forced to record so many covers). Ultimately both KISS and Eddie decided it would be best if Eddie stuck with Van Halen and KISS sought a new guitarist elsewhere.elsewhere.
----
----
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* CashCowFranchise: One of the most {{egregious}} examples in any medium. They have all kinds of licensed merchandise, including action figures, comic books, ''condoms'', and, last but not least, the infamous '''Kiss Kaskets''' (in one of which [[Music/{{Pantera}} Dimebag Darrell]] was buried). As of 2013, Gene and Paul now own their own arena football team in Los Angeles. The team will be named the LA Kiss and use the band's logo. In addition, purchasing a season ticket will also include access to a KISS concert.
Added DiffLines:
* ExecutiveMeddling: ''Music from "The Elder"'' had its song order rearranged so that both sides would start with songs the record company wanted to be singles. This is why the story on the American edition makes no sense.
* MoneyDearBoy: Possibly the TropeCodifier for musical artists. If you accuse Gene Simmons of being a sellout, he'll just laugh and agree with you wholeheartedly. He has stated several times over the years that the reason he became a rock musician was because he wanted to get rich and get girls, which is exactly what he did, many times over. Further exemplified by the fact that Simmons actually [[DisneyOwnsThisTrope owns the trademark to the image]] of a [[ThiefBag sack of money with a dollar sign on it]]. When British indie rockers Teenage Fanclub put that image on the cover of their 1991 album ''Bandwagonesque'', the band's label wound up giving Simmons a cut of the royalties.
* MoneyDearBoy: Possibly the TropeCodifier for musical artists. If you accuse Gene Simmons of being a sellout, he'll just laugh and agree with you wholeheartedly. He has stated several times over the years that the reason he became a rock musician was because he wanted to get rich and get girls, which is exactly what he did, many times over. Further exemplified by the fact that Simmons actually [[DisneyOwnsThisTrope owns the trademark to the image]] of a [[ThiefBag sack of money with a dollar sign on it]]. When British indie rockers Teenage Fanclub put that image on the cover of their 1991 album ''Bandwagonesque'', the band's label wound up giving Simmons a cut of the royalties.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* NamesTheSame: Gene is not to be confused with the actress [[Film/{{Spartacus}} Jean]] [[Theatre/GuysAndDolls Simmons]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 2 (click to see context) from:
* CreatorBacklash: The film ''[[http://www.agonybooth.com/recaps/KISS_Meets_the_Phantom_of_the_Park_1978.aspx KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park]]'', the ConceptAlbum / RockOpera ''Music from "The Elder"'', and (albeit nowhere near the levels of the other previous examples) their GlamRock album ''Asylum''.
to:
* CreatorBacklash: The film ''[[http://www.agonybooth.com/recaps/KISS_Meets_the_Phantom_of_the_Park_1978.aspx KISS Meets In some interviews in the Phantom of early 90s, Gene pretty much disowned everything from ''Lick It Up'' through ''Hot in the Park]]'', the ConceptAlbum / RockOpera Shade''.
** In October 1993, Gene and Paul rated their work to that point for ''Goldmine Magazine''. When it came to ''Music from "The Elder"'', Paul gave it a question mark and(albeit nowhere near the levels Gene said, "As a Kiss album I give it a zero. As a bad Music/{{Genesis}} album, I give it a two."
*** Ace said that he threw a tape of theother previous examples) album against the wall because most of his solos had been edited out.
**** Interestingly, one song, "A World Without Heroes", was revived for the ''MTV Unplugged'' show..
** They didn't have much good to say about theirGlamRock album ''Asylum''.MadeForTVMovie ''KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park'' either.
** In October 1993, Gene and Paul rated their work to that point for ''Goldmine Magazine''. When it came to ''Music from "The Elder"'', Paul gave it a question mark and
*** Ace said that he threw a tape of the
**** Interestingly, one song, "A World Without Heroes", was revived for the ''MTV Unplugged'' show..
** They didn't have much good to say about their
Changed line(s) 12 (click to see context) from:
** Also, after the failure of ''Unmasked'', the band started to work on an album called ''"Rockin With The Boys"'', which was supposed to be a return back to their Hard Rock roots and included the songs "Partners In Crime", "Nowhere To Run" and the original "Love's a Deadly Weapon". However, they ended up with Bob Ezrin and [[NiceJobBreakingItHero produced instead one of the less liked albums overall,]] ''Music from "The Elder"'', who sold even ''worse'' than ''Unmasked''.
to:
** Also, after the failure of ''Unmasked'', the band started to work on an album called ''"Rockin With The Boys"'', which was supposed to be a return back to their Hard Rock roots and included the songs "Partners In Crime", "Nowhere To Run" and the original "Love's a Deadly Weapon". However, they ended up with Bob Ezrin and [[NiceJobBreakingItHero produced instead one of the less liked albums overall,]] ''Music from "The Elder"'', who which sold even ''worse'' than ''Unmasked''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* PromotedFanboy: Tommy Thayer used to be in a Kiss tribute band. He then co-wrote a couple of filler songs for Kiss during TheEighties. Then he was a session musician in the ''Psycho Circus'' album. Moreover, he also used to be Kiss' tour manager and Ace Frehley's guitar coach during TheNineties reunion era before finally being made a band member and taking over Frehley's guitar chores.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* BlackSheepHit: KISS' highest-charting single in the United States is "Beth", which is a tender ballad that uses a piano and a string quartet with Peter Criss on vocals. It's radically different than typical KISS songs with feature guitars and drums with either Paul or Gene on vocals.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 11 (click to see context) from:
** After Ace Frehley left, before they brought in Vinnie Vincent, KISS seriously considered bringing in Eddie Van Halen. Gene had briefly managed Van Halen before they got their record deal and Eddie was very happy with the direction of the band at the time (particularly his frequent clashes with David Lee Roth and being forced to record so many covers). Ultimately both KISS and Eddie decided it would be best if Eddie stuck with Van Halen and KISS sought a new guitarist elsewhere.
to:
** After Ace Frehley left, before they brought in Vinnie Vincent, KISS seriously considered bringing in Eddie Van Halen. Gene had briefly managed Van Halen before they got their record deal and Eddie was very happy unhappy with the direction of the band at the time (particularly his frequent clashes with David Lee Roth and being forced to record so many covers). Ultimately both KISS and Eddie decided it would be best if Eddie stuck with Van Halen and KISS sought a new guitarist elsewhere.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
** After Ace Frehley left, before they brought in Vinnie Vincent, KISS seriously considered bringing in Eddie Van Halen. Gene had briefly managed Van Halen before they got their record deal and Eddie was very happy with the direction of the band at the time (particularly his frequent clashes with David Lee Roth and being forced to record so many covers). Ultimately both KISS and Eddie decided it would be best if Eddie stuck with Van Halen and KISS sought a new guitarist elsewhere.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 9 (click to see context) from:
** Eric Carr initially used to take the persona of an hawk. Needless to say, [[http://www.kissfanshop.de/EricCarr/hawk80.jpg it didn't looks great]]. Paul even noticed the resemblance with [[SesameStreet Big Bird]] !
to:
** Eric Carr initially used to take the persona of an hawk. Needless to say, [[http://www.kissfanshop.de/EricCarr/hawk80.jpg it didn't looks great]]. Paul even noticed the resemblance with [[SesameStreet [[Series/SesameStreet Big Bird]] !
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* ThePeteBest: Ron Leejack, lead guitarist when the band was still called "Wicked Lester"
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 6,8 (click to see context) from:
** What about the amusement park project ?
** During the ''Dynasty'' Tour, Stanley wanted to have a headgear that fires a laser out of his right eye during the show (probably to mock the [[SpecialEffectFailure oh-so mediocre special effect]] from the movie), but found out he and/or the audience could be ''permanently blinded'' if he tried it once.
** Also, after the failure of ''Unmasked'', the band started to work on an album called ''"Rockin With The Boys"'', which was supposed to be a return back to their Hard Rock roots and inclued the songs "Partners In Crime", "Nowhere To Run" and the original "Love's a Deadly Weapon". However, they ended up with Bob Ezrin and [[NiceJobBreakingItHero produced instead one of the less liked albums overhall,]] ''Music from "The Elder"'', which sold even ''worse'' than ''Unmasked''.
** During the ''Dynasty'' Tour, Stanley wanted to have a headgear that fires a laser out of his right eye during the show (probably to mock the [[SpecialEffectFailure oh-so mediocre special effect]] from the movie), but found out he and/or the audience could be ''permanently blinded'' if he tried it once.
** Also, after the failure of ''Unmasked'', the band started to work on an album called ''"Rockin With The Boys"'', which was supposed to be a return back to their Hard Rock roots and inclued the songs "Partners In Crime", "Nowhere To Run" and the original "Love's a Deadly Weapon". However, they ended up with Bob Ezrin and [[NiceJobBreakingItHero produced instead one of the less liked albums overhall,]] ''Music from "The Elder"'', which sold even ''worse'' than ''Unmasked''.
to:
*** What about the amusement park project at the same year ?
** Eric Carr initially used to take the persona of an hawk. Needless to say, [[http://www.kissfanshop.de/EricCarr/hawk80.jpg it didn't looks great]]. Paul even noticed the resemblance with [[SesameStreet Big Bird]] !
** Also, after the failure of ''Unmasked'', the band started to work on an album called ''"Rockin With The Boys"'', which was supposed to be a return back to their Hard Rock roots and
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 8 (click to see context) from:
** Also, after the failure of ''Unmasked'', the band started to work on an album called ''"Rockin With The Boys"'', which was supposed to be a return back to their Hard Rock roots and inclued the songs "Partners In Crime", "Nowhere To Run" and the original "Love's a Deadly Weapon". However, they ended up with Bob Ezrin and [[NiceJobBreakingItHero produced instead one of the less liked albums overhall,]] ''Music from "The Elder"'', who sold even ''worse'' than ''Unmasked''.
to:
** Also, after the failure of ''Unmasked'', the band started to work on an album called ''"Rockin With The Boys"'', which was supposed to be a return back to their Hard Rock roots and inclued the songs "Partners In Crime", "Nowhere To Run" and the original "Love's a Deadly Weapon". However, they ended up with Bob Ezrin and [[NiceJobBreakingItHero produced instead one of the less liked albums overhall,]] ''Music from "The Elder"'', who which sold even ''worse'' than ''Unmasked''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* CreatorBacklash: The film ''[[http://www.agonybooth.com/recaps/KISS_Meets_the_Phantom_of_the_Park_1978.aspx KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park]]'', the ConceptAlbum / RockOpera ''Music from "The Elder"'', and (albeit nowhere near the levels of the other previous examples) their GlamRock album ''Asylum''.
* OldShame: Their album when the band was still called "Wicked Lester".
* OneOfUs: As stated before, Gene Simmons is a lifelong comic book geek and amateur magician who loves StuffBlowingUp.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: ''The Keep'', the only band that had two former KISS members, Peter Criss and Mark St. John, as official members. Recorded a couple of demos which were poorly received, and the band promptly imploded.
** Couple of songs were eventually re-recorded and released on different solo projects by both members, however.
** What about the amusement park project ?
** During the ''Dynasty'' Tour, Stanley wanted to have a headgear that fires a laser out of his right eye during the show (probably to mock the [[SpecialEffectFailure oh-so mediocre special effect]] from the movie), but found out he and/or the audience could be ''permanently blinded'' if he tried it once.
** Also, after the failure of ''Unmasked'', the band started to work on an album called ''"Rockin With The Boys"'', which was supposed to be a return back to their Hard Rock roots and inclued the songs "Partners In Crime", "Nowhere To Run" and the original "Love's a Deadly Weapon". However, they ended up with Bob Ezrin and [[NiceJobBreakingItHero produced instead one of the less liked albums overhall,]] ''Music from "The Elder"'', who sold even ''worse'' than ''Unmasked''.
* OldShame: Their album when the band was still called "Wicked Lester".
* OneOfUs: As stated before, Gene Simmons is a lifelong comic book geek and amateur magician who loves StuffBlowingUp.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: ''The Keep'', the only band that had two former KISS members, Peter Criss and Mark St. John, as official members. Recorded a couple of demos which were poorly received, and the band promptly imploded.
** Couple of songs were eventually re-recorded and released on different solo projects by both members, however.
** What about the amusement park project ?
** During the ''Dynasty'' Tour, Stanley wanted to have a headgear that fires a laser out of his right eye during the show (probably to mock the [[SpecialEffectFailure oh-so mediocre special effect]] from the movie), but found out he and/or the audience could be ''permanently blinded'' if he tried it once.
** Also, after the failure of ''Unmasked'', the band started to work on an album called ''"Rockin With The Boys"'', which was supposed to be a return back to their Hard Rock roots and inclued the songs "Partners In Crime", "Nowhere To Run" and the original "Love's a Deadly Weapon". However, they ended up with Bob Ezrin and [[NiceJobBreakingItHero produced instead one of the less liked albums overhall,]] ''Music from "The Elder"'', who sold even ''worse'' than ''Unmasked''.
