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* CreatorBacklash: The La:Sadie's era and Kisaki - even the band thinks that the era is effectively a moot point by now.



* OldShame: The La:Sadie's era and Kisaki. Even the band thinks that the era is effectively a moot point by now.
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* GenrePopularizer: Eroguro Kei, from the very start. Also one of the first bands to display elements of what is to become Deathcore with their album ''Withering to death.'' Technical Death Metal since ''THE MARROW OF A BONE'' and Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly since ''UROBOROS''.

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* GenrePopularizer: Eroguro Kei, from the very start. Also one of the first bands to display elements of what is to become Deathcore with their album ''Withering to death.'' Technical Death Metal since ''THE MARROW OF A BONE'' and Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly since ''UROBOROS''.''
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* GenrePopularizer: Eroguro Kei, from the very start. Also one of the first bands to display elements of what is to become Deathcore with their album ''Withering to death.'' Technical Death Metal since ''The Marrow of a Bone'' and Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly since ''UROBOROS''.

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* GenrePopularizer: Eroguro Kei, from the very start. Also one of the first bands to display elements of what is to become Deathcore with their album ''Withering to death.'' Technical Death Metal since ''The Marrow of a Bone'' ''THE MARROW OF A BONE'' and Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly since ''UROBOROS''.
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** He has seemingly gone back on this, as he maintains active accounts on both Instagram and Twitter beginning in 2020.
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* Genre Popularizer: Eroguro Kei, from the very start. Also one of the first bands to display elements of what is to become Deathcore with their album ''Withering to death.'' Technical Death Metal since ''The Marrow of a Bone'' and Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly since ''UROBOROS''.

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* Genre Popularizer: GenrePopularizer: Eroguro Kei, from the very start. Also one of the first bands to display elements of what is to become Deathcore with their album ''Withering to death.'' Technical Death Metal since ''The Marrow of a Bone'' and Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly since ''UROBOROS''.
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* Genre Popularizer: Eroguro Kei, from the very start. Also one of the first bands to display elements of what is to become Deathcore with their album ''Withering to death.'' Technical Death Metal since ''The Marrow of a Bone'' and Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly since ''UROBOROS''.

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* ThePeteBest: {{Kisaki}}, who didn't do too badly on his own (even being mildly successful as executive of UNDER CODE PRODUCTION) but nowhere near the level of success the rest of the band had.

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* ThePeteBest: {{Kisaki}}, Music/{{Kisaki}}, who didn't do too badly on his own (even being mildly successful as executive of UNDER CODE PRODUCTION) but nowhere near the level of success the rest of the band had.



* WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings: After a fan who contacted Kyo asking the best way to commit suicide, which Kyo took as a joke, actually killed himself, Kyo has been much more reticent about communicating with fans.

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* WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings: After a fan who contacted Kyo asking the best way to commit suicide, which Kyo took as a joke, actually killed himself, Kyo has been much more reticent about communicating with fans.fans.
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* WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings:
** In the days of the LiveJournal "hate memes," a ''very large'' portion of the participants (in fact, pretty much everyone who wasn't claiming to have left jrock entirely for Korean pop) were Dir en grey fans (and their sockpuppets) who, among other things, posted the personal information of an alleged ''rape victim,'' while questioning whether she was telling the truth, doxed and posted personal info of other people, tried to recruit others to attack or shun people at shows, and generally acted ''worse'' than most of their targets (who at worst were usually groupies or YaoiFangirls that had [[ItsPersonal upset them online somehow]], or people just judged as weird or unattractive). The rape victim incident led to the meme it was on being shut down by LiveJournal, future anon memes futilely demanding no one dox or post personal information for ''any'' reason, eventually getting shut down or banned by LJ Abuse when it happened despite the rules, and making the anon memes harder to create and participate in was ''probably'' one reason for the LiveJournal commenting system change - which also made roleplaying and the like far more difficult. While Dir en grey fans and Kpop fans weren't the ''sole'' cause of the comment system change, they likely did hold ''some'' responsibility for the sheer number of complaints the memes brought to Abuse and sometimes the legal department.
** After a fan who contacted Kyo asking the best way to commit suicide, which Kyo took as a joke, actually killed himself, Kyo has been much more reticent about communicating with fans.

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* WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings:
** In the days of the LiveJournal "hate memes," a ''very large'' portion of the participants (in fact, pretty much everyone who wasn't claiming to have left jrock entirely for Korean pop) were Dir en grey fans (and their sockpuppets) who, among other things, posted the personal information of an alleged ''rape victim,'' while questioning whether she was telling the truth, doxed and posted personal info of other people, tried to recruit others to attack or shun people at shows, and generally acted ''worse'' than most of their targets (who at worst were usually groupies or YaoiFangirls that had [[ItsPersonal upset them online somehow]], or people just judged as weird or unattractive). The rape victim incident led to the meme it was on being shut down by LiveJournal, future anon memes futilely demanding no one dox or post personal information for ''any'' reason, eventually getting shut down or banned by LJ Abuse when it happened despite the rules, and making the anon memes harder to create and participate in was ''probably'' one reason for the LiveJournal commenting system change - which also made roleplaying and the like far more difficult. While Dir en grey fans and Kpop fans weren't the ''sole'' cause of the comment system change, they likely did hold ''some'' responsibility for the sheer number of complaints the memes brought to Abuse and sometimes the legal department.
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WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings: After a fan who contacted Kyo asking the best way to commit suicide, which Kyo took as a joke, actually killed himself, Kyo has been much more reticent about communicating with fans.

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* WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings: In the days of the LiveJournal "hate memes," a ''very large'' portion of the participants (in fact, pretty much everyone who wasn't claiming to have left jrock entirely for Korean pop) were Dir en grey fans (and their sockpuppets) who, among other things, posted the personal information of an alleged ''rape victim,'' while questioning whether she was telling the truth, doxed and posted personal info of other people, tried to recruit others to attack or shun people at shows, and generally acted ''worse'' than most of their targets (who at worst were usually groupies or YaoiFangirls that had [[ItsPersonal upset them online somehow]], or people just judged as weird or unattractive). The rape victim incident led to the meme it was on being shut down by LiveJournal, future anon memes futilely demanding no one dox or post personal information for ''any'' reason, eventually getting shut down or banned by LJ Abuse when it happened despite the rules, and making the anon memes harder to create and participate in was ''probably'' one reason for the LiveJournal commenting system change - which also made roleplaying and the like far more difficult. While Dir en grey fans and Kpop fans weren't the ''sole'' cause of the comment system change, they likely did hold ''some'' responsibility for the sheer number of complaints the memes brought to Abuse and sometimes the legal department.

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* WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings: WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings:
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In the days of the LiveJournal "hate memes," a ''very large'' portion of the participants (in fact, pretty much everyone who wasn't claiming to have left jrock entirely for Korean pop) were Dir en grey fans (and their sockpuppets) who, among other things, posted the personal information of an alleged ''rape victim,'' while questioning whether she was telling the truth, doxed and posted personal info of other people, tried to recruit others to attack or shun people at shows, and generally acted ''worse'' than most of their targets (who at worst were usually groupies or YaoiFangirls that had [[ItsPersonal upset them online somehow]], or people just judged as weird or unattractive). The rape victim incident led to the meme it was on being shut down by LiveJournal, future anon memes futilely demanding no one dox or post personal information for ''any'' reason, eventually getting shut down or banned by LJ Abuse when it happened despite the rules, and making the anon memes harder to create and participate in was ''probably'' one reason for the LiveJournal commenting system change - which also made roleplaying and the like far more difficult. While Dir en grey fans and Kpop fans weren't the ''sole'' cause of the comment system change, they likely did hold ''some'' responsibility for the sheer number of complaints the memes brought to Abuse and sometimes the legal department.department.
** After a fan who contacted Kyo asking the best way to commit suicide, which Kyo took as a joke, actually killed himself, Kyo has been much more reticent about communicating with fans.
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* OldShame: The La:Sadie's era and Kisaki. Usually ignored by the fans and even the band members themselves.

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* OldShame: The La:Sadie's era and Kisaki. Usually ignored by the fans and even Even the band members themselves.thinks that the era is effectively a moot point by now.



* TrollingCreator: The band can qualify as this - in that their entire aesthetic (they purposefully went Eroguro/Post-Visual to [[FanDisservice piss off image-savvy Japanese VK fans]]), sound (theirforays into NuMetal and {{Deathcore}} don't sell well with Western metal fans) and ideal of performance (their shocking [=PVs=] and nightmarish live shows can be seen as a middle finger to the MoralGuardians} is trolling society in general, and after a certain point, arguably trolling their own fans and the Visual/Metal fandom in general via MindScrew and the like.

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* TrollingCreator: The band can qualify as this - in that their entire aesthetic (they purposefully went Eroguro/Post-Visual to [[FanDisservice piss off image-savvy Japanese VK fans]]), sound (theirforays (their forays into NuMetal and {{Deathcore}} don't sell well with Western metal fans) and ideal of performance (their shocking [=PVs=] and nightmarish live shows can be seen as a middle finger to the MoralGuardians} is trolling society in general, and after a certain point, arguably trolling their own fans and the Visual/Metal fandom in general via MindScrew and the like.
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* OldShame: The La:Sadie's era and Kisaki. Usually ignored by the fans and even the band members themselves.
* ThePeteBest: {{Kisaki}}, who didn't do too badly on his own (even being mildly successful as executive of UNDER CODE PRODUCTION) but nowhere near the level of success the rest of the band had.
* TrollingCreator: The band can qualify as this - in that their entire aesthetic (they purposefully went Eroguro/Post-Visual to [[FanDisservice piss off image-savvy Japanese VK fans]]), sound (theirforays into NuMetal and {{Deathcore}} don't sell well with Western metal fans) and ideal of performance (their shocking [=PVs=] and nightmarish live shows can be seen as a middle finger to the MoralGuardians} is trolling society in general, and after a certain point, arguably trolling their own fans and the Visual/Metal fandom in general via MindScrew and the like.
** Pretty much the only argument for the live brickwalling ''is'' trolling fans and pissing off people with any degree of production knowledge, unless they just don't care, which in the general Japanese music scene ''and'' the metal scene, itself trolling by mocking the idea of treating live performances as SeriousBusiness.
* WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings: In the days of the LiveJournal "hate memes," a ''very large'' portion of the participants (in fact, pretty much everyone who wasn't claiming to have left jrock entirely for Korean pop) were Dir en grey fans (and their sockpuppets) who, among other things, posted the personal information of an alleged ''rape victim,'' while questioning whether she was telling the truth, doxed and posted personal info of other people, tried to recruit others to attack or shun people at shows, and generally acted ''worse'' than most of their targets (who at worst were usually groupies or YaoiFangirls that had [[ItsPersonal upset them online somehow]], or people just judged as weird or unattractive). The rape victim incident led to the meme it was on being shut down by LiveJournal, future anon memes futilely demanding no one dox or post personal information for ''any'' reason, eventually getting shut down or banned by LJ Abuse when it happened despite the rules, and making the anon memes harder to create and participate in was ''probably'' one reason for the LiveJournal commenting system change - which also made roleplaying and the like far more difficult. While Dir en grey fans and Kpop fans weren't the ''sole'' cause of the comment system change, they likely did hold ''some'' responsibility for the sheer number of complaints the memes brought to Abuse and sometimes the legal department.

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