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16th Nov '17 11:41:04 AM AHI-3000
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* NationalStereotypingTropes. Be very careful when dealing with armed conflict between nations, especially if there well known and negative stereotypes about the peoples and or countries involved.

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* NationalStereotypingTropes.NationalStereotypes. Be very careful when dealing with armed conflict between nations, especially if there well known and negative stereotypes about the peoples and or countries involved.
16th Sep '17 5:22:51 PM nombretomado
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There are a lot of different ways to go about writing a war story. In historical eras, the main choice is going to be between the Army and [[WoodenShipsAndIronMen the Navy]]. Nowadays, assuming you're writing about the [[YanksWithTanks United States]], you've got TheArmy, the [[SemperFi Marines]], [[DeathFromAbove Air Force]], [[FlauntingYourFleets the Navy,]] and the UsefulNotes/CoastGuard. What do you choose? The Army is going to be the most prone, at least in fiction, to a fairly standard story without anything unusually badass or exciting happening. The Marines is more likely to have some pretty badass stuff going on, especially if they are SpaceMarines, doubly so if they are based on the real life USMC. The Air Force is likely going to either be about [[UsefulNotes/WorldWar2 great strategic bombing campaigns, dueling aces]], or [[TheAce slick jet pilots competing to be top dog.]] The Navy isn't likely to feature too much stuff directly going on, except in the days of WoodenShipsAndIronMen. In modern times, they're mostly there for artillery support or air support with occasional landings of Marines or their own elite badasses, the [[BadassNormal S.E.A.L.'s]]. After that comes the question of officer or serviceman. Is the story about an enlisted grunt in the field going on patrols and living in foxholes, or is he AnOfficerAndAGentleman? Is there a CaptainSmoothAndSergeantRough duo dynamic? Is the main character a [[ActionGirl woman]]? What if they aren't frontline combat personnel, or what if they're a medic? You can do [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous special operations]], but be careful; a lot of stories don't do it well, or do the operators justice.

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There are a lot of different ways to go about writing a war story. In historical eras, the main choice is going to be between the Army and [[WoodenShipsAndIronMen the Navy]]. Nowadays, assuming you're writing about the [[YanksWithTanks [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks United States]], you've got TheArmy, the [[SemperFi Marines]], [[DeathFromAbove Air Force]], [[FlauntingYourFleets the Navy,]] and the UsefulNotes/CoastGuard. What do you choose? The Army is going to be the most prone, at least in fiction, to a fairly standard story without anything unusually badass or exciting happening. The Marines is more likely to have some pretty badass stuff going on, especially if they are SpaceMarines, doubly so if they are based on the real life USMC. The Air Force is likely going to either be about [[UsefulNotes/WorldWar2 great strategic bombing campaigns, dueling aces]], or [[TheAce slick jet pilots competing to be top dog.]] The Navy isn't likely to feature too much stuff directly going on, except in the days of WoodenShipsAndIronMen. In modern times, they're mostly there for artillery support or air support with occasional landings of Marines or their own elite badasses, the [[BadassNormal S.E.A.L.'s]]. After that comes the question of officer or serviceman. Is the story about an enlisted grunt in the field going on patrols and living in foxholes, or is he AnOfficerAndAGentleman? Is there a CaptainSmoothAndSergeantRough duo dynamic? Is the main character a [[ActionGirl woman]]? What if they aren't frontline combat personnel, or what if they're a medic? You can do [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous special operations]], but be careful; a lot of stories don't do it well, or do the operators justice.



* ImproperlyPlacedFirearms. Horrifying ubiquitous. Here are a few of the most common and egregious examples. Firstly, every single Kalshnikov rifle is automatically an AK-47. Genuine 47's are very rare; most AK's aren't 47's, let alone Russian. The most common AK is the AKM, or one of its innumerable clones, most notably the Chinese Type 56, which is recognizable for its fully hooded front sight and integral underfolding blade bayonet. Note that the Type 56 can also denote the Chinese version of the SKS. [[YanksWithTanks The American military]] does ''NOT'' issue the MP-5 or the Uzi! Only the [[SemperFi USMC]] regularly issues the M16; almost everybody else has used the M4 since around 2009. The modern Russian military has the AK-74M as its main rifle- not the AK-47 or the AKM. These older weapons find their ways into backwater and underfunded units as well as occasionally into the hands for Spetsnaz troopers who prefer the penetrative power of 7.62x39.

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* ImproperlyPlacedFirearms. Horrifying ubiquitous. Here are a few of the most common and egregious examples. Firstly, every single Kalshnikov rifle is automatically an AK-47. Genuine 47's are very rare; most AK's aren't 47's, let alone Russian. The most common AK is the AKM, or one of its innumerable clones, most notably the Chinese Type 56, which is recognizable for its fully hooded front sight and integral underfolding blade bayonet. Note that the Type 56 can also denote the Chinese version of the SKS. [[YanksWithTanks [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks The American military]] does ''NOT'' issue the MP-5 or the Uzi! Only the [[SemperFi USMC]] regularly issues the M16; almost everybody else has used the M4 since around 2009. The modern Russian military has the AK-74M as its main rifle- not the AK-47 or the AKM. These older weapons find their ways into backwater and underfunded units as well as occasionally into the hands for Spetsnaz troopers who prefer the penetrative power of 7.62x39.



* AmericaSavesTheDay. In many modern works, it is [[YanksWithTanks the Americans]] who are the best fighters and end up saving the day. Give other countries and groups their DayInTheLimelight or show that America is just pursuing an agenda.

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* AmericaSavesTheDay. In many modern works, it is [[YanksWithTanks [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks the Americans]] who are the best fighters and end up saving the day. Give other countries and groups their DayInTheLimelight or show that America is just pursuing an agenda.



** Don't skimp in stories about the [[BadassNormal SAS]], [[YanksWithTanks Navy SEALS]], or any other [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous special operations group]]. This extends to SWAT Police Officers too.

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** Don't skimp in stories about the [[BadassNormal SAS]], [[YanksWithTanks [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks Navy SEALS]], or any other [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous special operations group]]. This extends to SWAT Police Officers too.
23rd Jul '17 4:01:47 PM nombretomado
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* JustPlaneWrong. Very common and easy to mistake. In general, not every single Eastern Bloc jet is a MIG, not every American helicopter is a Blackhawk, not ever single WW2 Luftwaffe fighter is a BF-109 and not every single Nazi bomber is a Stuka, etc...

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* JustPlaneWrong. Very common and easy to mistake. In general, not every single Eastern Bloc jet is a MIG, not every American helicopter is a Blackhawk, not ever single WW2 [=WW2=] Luftwaffe fighter is a BF-109 and not every single Nazi bomber is a Stuka, etc...



* SelectiveHistoricalArmory: Until after the end of the UsefulNotes/ColdWar, particularly between the 60's and the 80's, the FN FAL was the rifle most commonly used by Capitalist groups and nations (followed by the G3), and is still in very widespread use. In WW2, SMG's were most commonly employed by the USSR, and semiautomatic rifles were most commonly employed by the USA. Most everybody else made due with bolt action rifles, save for the occasional squad SMG or machine gun. There are many more where these came from. Do the bloody research!

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* SelectiveHistoricalArmory: Until after the end of the UsefulNotes/ColdWar, particularly between the 60's and the 80's, the FN FAL was the rifle most commonly used by Capitalist groups and nations (followed by the G3), and is still in very widespread use. In WW2, [=WW2=], SMG's were most commonly employed by the USSR, and semiautomatic rifles were most commonly employed by the USA. Most everybody else made due with bolt action rifles, save for the occasional squad SMG or machine gun. There are many more where these came from. Do the bloody research!



** For a WW2 European theater story, you are going to need small European towns, open fields, hedgerows, churches, forests, and snow.
** A WW2 Pacific theater story will need beaches, jungles, and seas.

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** For a WW2 [=WW2=] European theater story, you are going to need small European towns, open fields, hedgerows, churches, forests, and snow.
** A WW2 [=WW2=] Pacific theater story will need beaches, jungles, and seas.



** A WW2 African theater will need sand, sand, and more sand with the occasional oasis.

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** A WW2 [=WW2=] African theater will need sand, sand, and more sand with the occasional oasis.



* Modern wars are likely to occur in the middle east, so the tropes for {{Qurac}} apply. Reference the recommendations for the WW2 Africa stories.

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* Modern wars are likely to occur in the middle east, so the tropes for {{Qurac}} apply. Reference the recommendations for the WW2 [=WW2=] Africa stories.



* ''Film/OperationPetticoat'' is a comedy about a US Navy Submarine in WW2 fighting against the Japanese. [[CrowningMomentOfFunny They sink a truck]].

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* ''Film/OperationPetticoat'' is a comedy about a US Navy Submarine in WW2 [=WW2=] fighting against the Japanese. [[CrowningMomentOfFunny They sink a truck]].
9th Jul '17 10:57:25 AM nombretomado
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* ATeamFiring. Most bullets fired in real wars never hit anybody. Ever since WorldWarTwo, the emphasis has been on suppressive fire, which calls for using dedicated machine guns to spit a lot of rounds down range towards the enemy to make them keep their heads down and to force them to stay stationary behind cover so that either fire support can be called in, or the infantry can flank around their position and eliminate them. In modern wars, fire support scores about 85% of kills. It should also be known that when fighting against professionals, particularly outside of extremely short range urban settings, you will seldom get a good look at the enemy, let alone see them like you do in movies.

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* ATeamFiring. Most bullets fired in real wars never hit anybody. Ever since WorldWarTwo, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the emphasis has been on suppressive fire, which calls for using dedicated machine guns to spit a lot of rounds down range towards the enemy to make them keep their heads down and to force them to stay stationary behind cover so that either fire support can be called in, or the infantry can flank around their position and eliminate them. In modern wars, fire support scores about 85% of kills. It should also be known that when fighting against professionals, particularly outside of extremely short range urban settings, you will seldom get a good look at the enemy, let alone see them like you do in movies.



* Series/BandOfBrothers is a very realistic WorldWarTwo story that has great [[RealLifeWritesThePlot writing, plot]], characterization, and music. If you want to know how to really pull of a great story, then this is the series to watch.

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* Series/BandOfBrothers is a very realistic WorldWarTwo UsefulNotes/WorldWarII story that has great [[RealLifeWritesThePlot writing, plot]], characterization, and music. If you want to know how to really pull of a great story, then this is the series to watch.
27th May '17 12:43:42 PM nombretomado
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* Creator/JohnWayne's ''Film/TheGreenBerets'' is known for being the only traditional war movie about [[TheVietnamWar Vietnam]] and it is a damn good one.

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* Creator/JohnWayne's ''Film/TheGreenBerets'' is known for being the only traditional war movie about [[TheVietnamWar [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar Vietnam]] and it is a damn good one.
8th Jan '17 12:21:26 PM Morgenthaler
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There are a lot of different ways to go about writing a war story. In historical eras, the main choice is going to be between the Army and [[WoodenShipsAndIronMen the Navy]]. Nowadays, assuming you're writing about the [[YanksWithTanks United States]], you've got TheArmy, the [[SemperFi Marines]], [[DeathFromAbove Air Force]], [[FlauntingYourFleets the Navy,]] and the UsefulNotes/CoastGuard. What do you choose? The Army is going to be the most prone, at least in fiction, to a fairly standard story without anything unusually badass or exciting happening. The Marines is more likely to have some pretty badass stuff going on, especially if they are SpaceMarines, doubly so if they are based on the real life USMC. The Air Force is likely going to either be about [[WorldWar2 great strategic bombing campaigns, dueling aces]], or [[TheAce slick jet pilots competing to be top dog.]] The Navy isn't likely to feature too much stuff directly going on, except in the days of WoodenShipsAndIronMen. In modern times, they're mostly there for artillery support or air support with occasional landings of Marines or their own elite badasses, the [[BadassNormal S.E.A.L.'s]]. After that comes the question of officer or serviceman. Is the story about an enlisted grunt in the field going on patrols and living in foxholes, or is he AnOfficerAndAGentleman? Is there a CaptainSmoothAndSergeantRough duo dynamic? Is the main character a [[ActionGirl woman]]? What if they aren't frontline combat personnel, or what if they're a medic? You can do [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous special operations]], but be careful; a lot of stories don't do it well, or do the operators justice.

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There are a lot of different ways to go about writing a war story. In historical eras, the main choice is going to be between the Army and [[WoodenShipsAndIronMen the Navy]]. Nowadays, assuming you're writing about the [[YanksWithTanks United States]], you've got TheArmy, the [[SemperFi Marines]], [[DeathFromAbove Air Force]], [[FlauntingYourFleets the Navy,]] and the UsefulNotes/CoastGuard. What do you choose? The Army is going to be the most prone, at least in fiction, to a fairly standard story without anything unusually badass or exciting happening. The Marines is more likely to have some pretty badass stuff going on, especially if they are SpaceMarines, doubly so if they are based on the real life USMC. The Air Force is likely going to either be about [[WorldWar2 [[UsefulNotes/WorldWar2 great strategic bombing campaigns, dueling aces]], or [[TheAce slick jet pilots competing to be top dog.]] The Navy isn't likely to feature too much stuff directly going on, except in the days of WoodenShipsAndIronMen. In modern times, they're mostly there for artillery support or air support with occasional landings of Marines or their own elite badasses, the [[BadassNormal S.E.A.L.'s]]. After that comes the question of officer or serviceman. Is the story about an enlisted grunt in the field going on patrols and living in foxholes, or is he AnOfficerAndAGentleman? Is there a CaptainSmoothAndSergeantRough duo dynamic? Is the main character a [[ActionGirl woman]]? What if they aren't frontline combat personnel, or what if they're a medic? You can do [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous special operations]], but be careful; a lot of stories don't do it well, or do the operators justice.
1st Nov '16 9:19:53 AM Morgenthaler
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* DeathTropes - Perhaps more than any other genre of fiction, people die a lot in war stories. Sometimes they go out in a blaze of glory, while other times, they die in truly horrific fashion.

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* DeathTropes CharacterDeath - Perhaps more than any other genre of fiction, people die a lot in war stories. Sometimes they go out in a blaze of glory, while other times, they die in truly horrific fashion.
1st Nov '16 9:19:31 AM Morgenthaler
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* {{Badass}} - More than anything else, war stories need badasses.

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* {{Badass}} WorldOfBadass - More than anything else, war stories need badasses.



* ToHellAndBack is the true story of Audie Murphy, the most decorated and {{Badass}} soldier in American history. If you only watch [[TheFilmOfTheBook the film]], then be aware that they toned down or removed some of his actions [[RealityIsUnrealistic because they were too unbelievable!]] The book still has them all. And to cap it all off, the man was [[PintSizedPowerhouse rather small, only standing at 5'5".]]

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* ToHellAndBack is the true story of Audie Murphy, the most decorated and {{Badass}} badass soldier in American history. If you only watch [[TheFilmOfTheBook the film]], then be aware that they toned down or removed some of his actions [[RealityIsUnrealistic because they were too unbelievable!]] The book still has them all. And to cap it all off, the man was [[PintSizedPowerhouse rather small, only standing at 5'5".]]
27th Sep '16 11:43:51 PM PaulA
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* RedStormRising, TomClancy's 1986 Doorstopper novel on a full-blown (albeit non-nuclear,) war between the Soviet Union and NATO, paints a massive war in just a handful of personal POV's.

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* RedStormRising, TomClancy's ''Literature/RedStormRising'', Creator/TomClancy's 1986 Doorstopper novel on a full-blown (albeit non-nuclear,) non-nuclear) war between the Soviet Union and NATO, paints a massive war in just a handful of personal POV's. POV's.
23rd Sep '16 4:17:02 AM Morgenthaler
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* WarIsHell. As mentioned above, war is a terrifying experience full of insanity and violence and affects nearly everyone involved on some level. [[WorldWarI The Great War]] inspired an entire generation of writers and artists, for example, and it's often called the Lost Generation. The most well-known cases of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder occurred among veterans of Vietnam. It's not all psychological disorders and cultural confusion, though war can make people do really crazy things.

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* WarIsHell. As mentioned above, war is a terrifying experience full of insanity and violence and affects nearly everyone involved on some level. [[WorldWarI [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI The Great War]] inspired an entire generation of writers and artists, for example, and it's often called the Lost Generation. The most well-known cases of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder occurred among veterans of Vietnam. It's not all psychological disorders and cultural confusion, though war can make people do really crazy things.
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