History SoYouWantTo / WriteAGoodYaoi

4th Sep '17 8:09:33 PM Peteman
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** Anime/LegendOfTheBlueWolves: One of the first bara fusion works to get notice in ''both'' communities (drawing fandom both from bara fans that aren't into the unrealistically gigantic look ''and'' from yaoi fans tired of seme and uke roles), having a strong plot to which its notoriously explicit imagery ''actually has some relevance,'' for being set in a ScienceFiction and MilitaryFiction setting (entirely unusual for BL of its time), and for its literally brutal aversion of the NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization [[spoiler: with the victim's lover taking revenge on the rapist involving a GroinAttack with a knife, even knowing doing so would get him killed]]. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Originally was going to be part of a series]], but the production company ran out of money. Nonetheless, it became the most famous bara fusion work, and well worth a watch if you're interested in fusing yaoi and bara - as long as you're 17 or older and aren't severely triggered by a military setting or by graphically depicted RapeAsDrama.


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** Anime/LegendOfTheBlueWolves: One of the first bara fusion works to get notice in ''both'' communities (drawing fandom both from bara fans that aren't into the unrealistically gigantic look ''and'' from yaoi fans tired of seme and uke roles), having a strong plot to which its notoriously explicit imagery ''actually has some relevance,'' for being set in a ScienceFiction and MilitaryFiction setting (entirely unusual for BL of its time), and for its literally brutal aversion of the NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization [[spoiler: with the victim's lover taking revenge on the rapist involving a GroinAttack with a knife, even knowing doing so would get him killed]]. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Originally was going to be part of a series]], but the production company ran out of money. Nonetheless, it became the most famous bara fusion work, and well worth a watch if you're interested in fusing yaoi and bara - as long as you're 17 or older and aren't severely triggered by a military setting or by graphically depicted RapeAsDrama.

14th Jun '17 10:43:51 PM ectostar
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* "I hate yaoi fangirls who want to be boys." This is a sentiment often expressed by some ignorant people that somehow believe reading yaoi or slash makes someone transgender. ([[CaptainObvious It doesn't.]]) While ''some'' yaoi fangirls who post stuff pretending to be men/saying they wish they were male ''are'' confused girls or in need of education as to not internalizing misogyny, the yaoi/slash community is often one of the first stops (especially post TheTurnOfTheMillennium) actual younger transmen make in their self-discovery, and hate helps no one. If you really have issues with "girls wanting to be boys," address misogyny and inequality that might make people hate their own femininity and provide direction to proper counseling resources that can help people figure out where they are, but don't hate or especially group shame people for looking androgynous or identifying/posing as men or saying they wish they had penises or whatever.

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* "I hate yaoi fangirls who want to be boys." This is a sentiment often expressed by some ignorant people that somehow believe reading yaoi or slash makes someone transgender. ([[CaptainObvious It doesn't.]]) While ''some'' yaoi fangirls who post stuff pretending to be men/saying they wish they were male ''are'' confused girls or in need of education as to not internalizing misogyny, the yaoi/slash community is often one of the first stops (especially post TheTurnOfTheMillennium) TurnOfTheMillennium) actual younger transmen make in their self-discovery, and hate helps no one. If you really have issues with "girls wanting to be boys," address misogyny and inequality that might make people hate their own femininity and provide direction to proper counseling resources that can help people figure out where they are, but don't hate or especially group shame people for looking androgynous or identifying/posing as men or saying they wish they had penises or whatever.
8th Mar '17 7:25:14 AM CosmicFerret
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Even in "traditional" BL, you might have a dominant uke and a henpecked seme. Your uke can be the one that looks very tall and masculine, while your seme might be a {{Bishounen}}. They can be both uke-like, or both seme-like. See BoysLoveNotes for some common BL relationship types, or make up your own.

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Even in "traditional" BL, you might have a dominant uke and a henpecked seme. Your uke can be the one that looks very tall and masculine, while your seme might be a {{Bishounen}}. They can be both uke-like, or both seme-like. See BoysLoveNotes UsefulNotes/BoysLoveNotes for some common BL relationship types, or make up your own.
26th Feb '17 5:29:04 PM Dravencour
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* Things can "get lost," unlike in the vagina. It's almost impossible to lose something in an average vagina (though it has happened on occasion) because the entrance of the cervix serves as a barrier. The anus ''has'' no such barrier, so anything that gets shoved too far in is usually staying and being brought up through the bowel via peristalsis until passed / until getting stuck (small objects) or becoming immovably (without help) lodged deep in the bowel (larger objects). The results are not usually good and end up in the emergency room (and any doctor worth his or her salt has at least one story involving having to remove something from someone's rectum that isn't supposed to be there). Anything used for anorectal insertions should have a flared base (meaning something that works as a "stop") and/or another safe means of being pulled out of the body. This is actually important to depict, if your story involves toy use.

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* Things can "get lost," unlike in the vagina. It's almost impossible to lose something in an average vagina (though it has happened on occasion) because the entrance of the cervix serves as a barrier. The anus ''has'' no such barrier, so anything that gets shoved too far in is usually staying and being brought up through the bowel via peristalsis until passed / until getting stuck (small objects) or becoming immovably (without help) lodged deep in the bowel (larger objects). The results are not usually good and end up in the emergency room (and any doctor worth his or her salt has at least one story involving having to remove something from someone's rectum that isn't supposed to be there).room. Anything used for anorectal insertions should have a flared base (meaning something that works as a "stop") and/or another safe means of being pulled out of the body. This is actually important to depict, if your story involves toy use.



* Finally, ''BLOOD IS NOT LUBE'' nor is it the sign of a good rough kinky sex session. In RealLife blood is a very bad sign that means ''STOP RIGHT NOW,'' because something is torn or perforated and proceeding further could cause even worse damage. If your character's (hell, if your OWN) anus is bleeding for any reason penetration-related or not other than a bumped hemorrhoid or a too-long fingernail at the entrance, that is when a trip to the nearest emergency room is required, and if the bleeding is profuse, a call to EmergencyServices may even be.

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* Finally, ''BLOOD IS NOT LUBE'' nor is it the sign of a good rough kinky sex session. In RealLife blood is a very bad sign that means ''STOP RIGHT NOW,'' because something is torn or perforated and proceeding further could cause even worse damage. If your character's (hell, if your OWN) anus is bleeding for any reason penetration-related or not other than a bumped hemorrhoid or a too-long fingernail at the entrance, that is when a trip to the nearest emergency room is required, and if the bleeding is profuse, a call to EmergencyServices may even be.
save your life.



'''HomosexualReproduction:''' Unless you're writing CrackFic or writing in a universe where it's possible, avoiding mpreg is a really good idea. No, this doesn't mean that you can't have your couple have a kid: just have them use one of the ways of having a kid that ordinary male couples generally do so: one partner is bisexual and has the child with a woman, the use of a surrogate mother unknown to the couple, or adoption. You can make adoption just as dramatic and just as heartwarming as conceiving and giving birth and raising a child from one's own body.

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'''HomosexualReproduction:''' Unless you're writing CrackFic or writing in a fantasy/sci-fi universe where it's such things are possible, avoiding mpreg is a really good idea. No, this doesn't mean that you can't have your couple have a kid: just have them use one of the ways of having a kid that ordinary male couples generally do so: one partner is bisexual and has the child with a woman, the use of a surrogate mother unknown to the couple, or adoption. You can make adoption just as dramatic and just as heartwarming as conceiving and giving birth and raising a child from one's own body.
26th Feb '17 5:22:12 PM Dravencour
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* Things can "get lost," unlike in the vagina. It's almost impossible to lose something in an average vagina (though it has happened on occasion) because the entrance of the cervix serves as a barrier. The anus ''has'' no such barrier, so anything that gets shoved too far in is usually staying and being brought up through the bowel via peristalsis until passed / until getting stuck (small objects) or becoming immovably (without help) lodged deep in the bowel (larger objects). The results are not usually good and end up in the emergency room. Anything used for anorectal insertions should have a flared base (meaning something that works as a "stop") and/or another safe means of being pulled out of the body. This is actually important to depict, if your story involves toy use.

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* Things can "get lost," unlike in the vagina. It's almost impossible to lose something in an average vagina (though it has happened on occasion) because the entrance of the cervix serves as a barrier. The anus ''has'' no such barrier, so anything that gets shoved too far in is usually staying and being brought up through the bowel via peristalsis until passed / until getting stuck (small objects) or becoming immovably (without help) lodged deep in the bowel (larger objects). The results are not usually good and end up in the emergency room.room (and any doctor worth his or her salt has at least one story involving having to remove something from someone's rectum that isn't supposed to be there). Anything used for anorectal insertions should have a flared base (meaning something that works as a "stop") and/or another safe means of being pulled out of the body. This is actually important to depict, if your story involves toy use.
26th Feb '17 5:16:15 PM Dravencour
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* Uke and Seme are in any of the following professions: prostitute/SexSlave (especially if that's the uke), {{salarymen}}, {{Yakuza}}, or ''anything'' else with the SempaiKohai arrangement, ancient samurai, modern cops/detectives/soldiers/spies.

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* Uke and Seme are in any of the following professions: prostitute/SexSlave (especially if that's the uke), {{salarymen}}, [[{{Salaryman}} salarymen]], {{Yakuza}}, or ''anything'' else with the SempaiKohai arrangement, ancient samurai, modern cops/detectives/soldiers/spies.
25th Feb '17 4:25:11 PM nombretomado
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Try to avoid {{Wimpification}}. It's been done to death. It also carries UnfortunateImplications. Again, don't feel like you have to be restricted to just one character type or behavior, just because it's [[FiddlerOnTheRoof Tradition!!!]] If you desire a more "traditional" uke, there's no need to turn him into a whining, sniveling mess, nor is there a need to turn your seme into a BastardBoyfriend. Men and women are socialized to act and react differently to various situations, so try to make it clear that your uke ''is'' a man, and not a stereotypical schoolgirl with a penis -- [[InvokedTrope unless, of course, you deliberately want to write a character who doesn't respond in traditionally-masculine ways.]]

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Try to avoid {{Wimpification}}. It's been done to death. It also carries UnfortunateImplications. Again, don't feel like you have to be restricted to just one character type or behavior, just because it's [[FiddlerOnTheRoof [[Theatre/FiddlerOnTheRoof Tradition!!!]] If you desire a more "traditional" uke, there's no need to turn him into a whining, sniveling mess, nor is there a need to turn your seme into a BastardBoyfriend. Men and women are socialized to act and react differently to various situations, so try to make it clear that your uke ''is'' a man, and not a stereotypical schoolgirl with a penis -- [[InvokedTrope unless, of course, you deliberately want to write a character who doesn't respond in traditionally-masculine ways.]]
1st Nov '16 9:24:17 AM Morgenthaler
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In bara crossover/fusion (e.g. you're going for a gay or bisexual male audience also, or exclusively) or slash, you are ''not'' bound to these roles and stereotypes. In fact, using them may be an AudienceAlienatingPremise, ''especially'' with a stereotypical whining, sniveling, misogynist stereotype if he were female uke, ''even more especially'' if it's a fanfic and a character who ''didn't'' or barely fit those stereotypes gets [[{{Wimpification}} them put on him.]]. There, you can have characters who are exclusive tops or exclusive bottoms, but these ''don't'' have to match anything in behavior outside the bedroom (and they can even contrast, a common bara contrast is having TheBigGuy or the rich and powerful guy or the {{Badass}} be an exclusive bottom), though they can, depending on the person. Of course, there's also versatile people/switches, who can and do enjoy being both top and bottom. Then there's people that don't believe in doing things that require a receptive or insertive partner. The general dynamic, though, is one of how ''actual'' male/male relationships work, not an idealized "seme" and "uke."

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In bara crossover/fusion (e.g. you're going for a gay or bisexual male audience also, or exclusively) or slash, you are ''not'' bound to these roles and stereotypes. In fact, using them may be an AudienceAlienatingPremise, ''especially'' with a stereotypical whining, sniveling, misogynist stereotype if he were female uke, ''even more especially'' if it's a fanfic and a character who ''didn't'' or barely fit those stereotypes gets [[{{Wimpification}} them put on him.]]. There, you can have characters who are exclusive tops or exclusive bottoms, but these ''don't'' have to match anything in behavior outside the bedroom (and they can even contrast, a common bara contrast is having TheBigGuy or the rich and powerful guy or the {{Badass}} badass be an exclusive bottom), though they can, depending on the person. Of course, there's also versatile people/switches, who can and do enjoy being both top and bottom. Then there's people that don't believe in doing things that require a receptive or insertive partner. The general dynamic, though, is one of how ''actual'' male/male relationships work, not an idealized "seme" and "uke."
13th Aug '16 5:51:43 PM RevolutionStone
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* '''RapeAsBackstory:''' Deserves a dishonorable mention for just how ''damn common'' it is in yaoi/slash. Not only are there many other ways to give someone an angsty, tragic backstory that too often go unexplored because rape is seen as a quick shortcut to angst (even the DoomedHometown is less cliche at this point), but there are several other issues with it if it is not written well. The first and most obvious being that poorly written, it can trivialize rape and actual victims of rape. It can also give credence to the AllGaysArePedophiles, AllMenAreRapists, DepravedBisexual, and RapeAndSwitch (which gets its own entry below) tropes - all absolutely ''horrific'' stereotypes that RealLife gay and bisexual men have faced for a long time (and still have to confront in much of the world). Finally, using rape for an angsty backstory overlooks that trauma from rape is ''very'' individualized - some people may indeed become suicidal and SelfHarm, while on the other end of the spectrum, there are a "lucky" few victims that [[NoSell aren't severely traumatized]] and actually ''do'' just want to "move on with their lives" - and nothing can predict in advance where someone will fall. If you absolutely ''must'' use rape as backstory (e.g. you're writing a fanfic about a character that experienced it), again do your research, and don't use it as a reason for {{wimpification}} or as a reason for the character "becoming gay."

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* '''RapeAsBackstory:''' Deserves a dishonorable mention for just how ''damn common'' it is in yaoi/slash. Not only are there many other ways to give someone an angsty, tragic backstory that too often go unexplored because rape is seen as a quick shortcut to angst (even the DoomedHometown is less cliche at this point), but there are several other issues with it if it is not written well. The first and most obvious being that poorly written, it can trivialize rape and actual victims of rape. It can also give credence to the AllGaysArePedophiles, AllMenAreRapists, DepravedBisexual, and RapeAndSwitch (which gets its own entry below) tropes - all absolutely ''horrific'' stereotypes that RealLife gay and bisexual men have faced for a long time (and still have to confront in much of the world). Finally, using rape for an angsty backstory overlooks that trauma from rape is ''very'' individualized - some people may indeed become suicidal and SelfHarm, while on the other end of the spectrum, there are a "lucky" few victims that [[NoSell aren't severely traumatized]] and actually ''do'' just want to "move on with their lives" - and nothing can predict in advance where someone will fall. (Also, while the severity of the incident ''can'' correlate to worse psychological trauma outcomes, this isn't always the case either - partially because internalized hatred and self-blaming is ''more'' likely to happen with date rape or an incident one isn't sure whether to consider rape or not, for example, than with being violently assaulted by a stranger. So it's entirely possible that, say, someone groped while drunk at a party may resort to addiction or self-harm and suicidal behavior, while someone violently raped by a stranger may not, even with the latter experience being ''objectively'' more physically traumatizing.) If you absolutely ''must'' use rape as backstory (e.g. you're writing a fanfic about a character that experienced it), again do your research, and don't use it as a reason for {{wimpification}} or as a reason for the character "becoming gay."
8th Feb '16 7:03:29 AM Anddrix
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* Things can "get lost," unlike in the vagina. It's almost impossible to lose something in an average vagina (though it has happened on occasion) because the entrance of the cervix serves as a barrier. The anus ''has'' no such barrier, so anything that gets shoved too far in is usually staying and being brought up through the bowel via peristalsis until passed / until getting stuck (small objects) or becoming immovably (without help) lodged deep in the bowel (larger objects). The results are not usually good and end up in the emergency room. Anything used for anorectal insertions should have a flared base (meaning something that works as a "stop") and/or another safe means of being pulled out of the body. This is actually important to depict, if your story involves toy use, as a result of ViewersAreMorons.

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* Things can "get lost," unlike in the vagina. It's almost impossible to lose something in an average vagina (though it has happened on occasion) because the entrance of the cervix serves as a barrier. The anus ''has'' no such barrier, so anything that gets shoved too far in is usually staying and being brought up through the bowel via peristalsis until passed / until getting stuck (small objects) or becoming immovably (without help) lodged deep in the bowel (larger objects). The results are not usually good and end up in the emergency room. Anything used for anorectal insertions should have a flared base (meaning something that works as a "stop") and/or another safe means of being pulled out of the body. This is actually important to depict, if your story involves toy use, as a result of ViewersAreMorons.use.
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