History Quotes / AmericanPoliticalSystem

1st Feb '16 10:32:42 AM FF32
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-->--'''UsefulNotes/BenjaminFranklin''', speech to the Constitutional Convention (1787)

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29th Jan '16 8:25:14 PM Adept
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-->--'''Zartan''', ''[[GIJoeTheRiseOfCobra GI Joe: The Rise of Cobra]]''

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-->--'''Zartan''', ''[[GIJoeTheRiseOfCobra GI Joe: The Rise of Cobra]]''
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19th Nov '15 7:58:35 PM NotThisThing
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->The Tea Party -- sort of like [[UsefulNotes/BritishPoliticalSystem UKIP]] with guns.
-->--'''Ian Hislop''', ''Series/HaveIGotNewsForYou''

->Former House Majority Leader Eric Cantor has taken a new job at a Wall Street investment bank. Now he can finally have some influence in Congress.
-->--'''Creator/StephenColbert'''



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->The Tea Party -- sort of like [[UsefulNotes/BritishPoliticalSystem UKIP]] with guns.
-->--'''Ian Hislop''', ''Series/HaveIGotNewsForYou''

->Former House Majority Leader Eric Cantor has taken a new job at a Wall Street investment bank. Now he can finally have some influence in Congress.
-->--'''Creator/StephenColbert'''

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->The Tea Party -- sort of like [[UsefulNotes/BritishPoliticalSystem UKIP]] with guns.
-->--'''Ian Hislop''', ''Series/HaveIGotNewsForYou''

->Former House Majority Leader Eric Cantor has taken a new job at a Wall Street investment bank. Now he can finally have some influence in Congress.
-->--'''Creator/StephenColbert'''

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9th Oct '15 8:23:43 AM hamonrye
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->No one beats up America better than Americans. They openly debate their inequality, conduct rigorous studies about it, argue about economics vs culture as causes. Their universities study it, with a calibre of analysis not found in Britain... And the debate is so fierce that the rest of the world looks on, and joins in lamenting America’s problems. A shame: we’d do better to get a little angrier at our own.
-->-- '''Fraser Nelson''', [[https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/08/why-britain-is-poorer-than-any-us-state-other-than-mississippi/ Why Britain is poorer than any US state, other than Mississippi]].
22nd Jul '15 9:32:17 PM johnnyfog
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->'''Bob Birch''': Don't declare war on Congress, Mr. President.\\
'''Frank Underwood''': Not on Congress. I'm declaring war on atrophy. [to the audience] But, these days, who could tell the difference?
-->--''Series/HouseOfCardsUS''
23rd May '15 8:04:14 AM johnnyfog
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->They just kept knocking down any chance of gun legislation and effectively forced America to accept that the massacres are [[ViceCity just something it's gonna have to accept]] now and again! And then they wonder why no one seems concerned with seeking revenge for 9/11 anymore.
-->--'''''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''''' on ''VideoGame/EnemyFront'' and ''VideoGame/ValiantHearts''

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->Originally used to describe left-wingers [[DefectorFromDecadence who crossed the floor]], neocons are on the authoritarian right, rather than the traditionally conservative libertarian right. They tend to be very pro-war and adopt the mentality of "We're better than you and we know it."\\\
Some more vulgar people call them Neocunts.
-->--'''''Website/UrbanDictionary'''''

->''America Speaking Out ''is a website created in 2010 by the U.S. Republican Party to solicit citizen input. The site is buggy, runs very slowly, often rejects posts as inappropriate because they contain words like [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad 'basement', 'satisfied', 'growth', 'enlargement', or 'excited']]...This atrocious example of PoesLaw flypaper was paid for with tax dollars.
-->--'''''Wiki/RationalWiki'''''



->'''Chris''': Somewhere in [[FlyoverCountry Middle America]], a bunch of schoolchildren are watching the nuclear arms conference [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids (?!)]], and their teacher, who looks to be about sixteen years old, suggests they write to their congressman. In response, young Jeremy stands up and, in a speech that is hilariously overdubbed and way deeper than you’re expecting, demands that they write to Superman instead.\\
'''David''': It does seem like an idea that a kid would have, just not stated so eloquently. I do love what a facile idea writing to someone’s Congressman is, though. “Let’s teach these children disappointment and the ineffectiveness of government at an early age!”
-->--Chris Sims and David Uzumeri [[http://comicsalliance.com/comicsalliance-reviews-superman-iv-the-quest-for-peace-1987-2/ on]] ''Film/SupermanIVTheQuestForPeace''



->Unlike the Democrats, who never stray far from career politicians when selecting a presidential candidate, Republicans always seem to be looking for some sort of otherworldly savior to waltz in and take the country by storm. Someone unsullied by, you know, much (if any) actual experience in holding office, winning elections, and governing on a daily basis...If you want to be president [[PointyHairedBoss but can’t be bothered to actually learn how to govern,]] well good luck with that.
-->--'''[[http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/29/the-gop-s-long-love-affair-with-schmucks.html Nick Gillespie]]'''

->Rand Paul and Sharon Angle and Pat Toomey. Political monsters that make the [[RonaldReagan Reagan]]-[[MargaretThatcher Thatcher]] axis of the 1980s -- the politics so bad that they formed the dystopic vision of {{Cyberpunk}} in the minds of artists -- look like cuddly kittens. Far-right wing Republicans of the 1980s are now ostracized from the party as [[NoTrueScotsman excessively moderate]], downright liberal. This is a death god too...The only possible salvation is this -- that the eschaton moves so quickly now that by Wednesday they will already be out of power.
-->--'''[[http://projectnes.blogspot.com/2010/10/great-pumpkin-cyberball-and-cybernoid.html Dr. Phil Sandifer]]'''



->The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy... Either party in office becomes in time corrupt, tired, unenterprising, and vigorless. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately [[NewEraSpeech the same basic policies.]]
-->--'''Carroll Quigley''', ''Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time''



->Traffic costs our drivers over $100 billion annually. Airport delays cost another $22 billion. Or we could get to work on education. If graduation rates don’t increase, we will have a shortage of 5 million workers by 2020 — not because we lack the manpower, but because the jobs will require education that our students aren’t receiving. We could clean up our air: MIT researchers found that pollution kills more than 200,000 Americans every year — more than traffic accidents, homicides, suicides and our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. There are so many real problems that need solving.\\\
But [[TheScapegoat distracting, divisive laws]] like the one Indiana initially passed aren’t just bad for the country, they’re also bad for our party...We must be the party that originally attracted this young Austrian immigrant.
-->--'''Creator/ArnoldSchwarzenegger''' on Indiana's Religious Freedom Law



->I think the [[UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan Reagan administration]] was sort of a peek into the future...Here's a brilliant thought that nobody had ever had before, as far as I know: let's make elections completely symbolic activities. The population can keep voting, we'll give them all the business, they'll have electoral campaigns, all the hoopla, two candidates, eight candidates--but the people they're voting for will then just be expected to [[PuppetKing read off a teleprompter]] and they won't be expected to know anything except what somebody tells then, and sometimes not even that.

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->I think the [[UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan Reagan administration]] was sort of a peek into the future...Here's ->Here's a brilliant thought that nobody had ever had before, as far as I know: let's make elections completely symbolic activities. The population can keep voting, we'll give them all the business, they'll have electoral campaigns, all the hoopla, two candidates, eight candidates--but the people they're voting for will then just be expected to [[PuppetKing read off a teleprompter]] and they won't be expected to know anything except what somebody tells then, and sometimes not even that.
9th May '15 10:25:01 PM johnnyfog
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->Our electoral system really begins to resemble {{professional wrestling}} the more you look at it. John Kerry, a popular, long-serving Senator from Massachusetts turned into [[OpenMouthInsertFoot a bumbling idiot]] when he ran against fellow Bonesman George Bush in 2004. You could almost read from the script he was following.\\\
Another popular Massachusetts pol, Mitt Romney, played the [[TheScrooge mustache-twirling evil rich guy]] role to the hilt in 2012, despite having served in an overwhelmingly Democratic state as a classic Northeast moderate. He even went so far to run against Obamacare, which was modeled on his own (successful) health care program! He too seemed ordered to take the big dive and ensured he would lose by enlisting Creator/AynRand radical Rep. Paul Ryan, whose budget plans scared all of the seniors and others dependent on Social Security. Otherwise, like Kerry, there's a good chance he would have won...Again, it's like some script is being followed.
-->--'''[[http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2014/11/a-very-sirius-election-pretending-that.html Christopher Loring Knowles]]''', "A Very Sirius Election -- Pretending The Wars Are Done"

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->Our electoral system really begins ->Hmm, come to resemble {{professional wrestling}} the more you look at it. John Kerry, a popular, long-serving Senator from Massachusetts turned into [[OpenMouthInsertFoot a bumbling idiot]] when he ran against fellow Bonesman George Bush in 2004. You could almost read from the script he was following.\\\
Another popular Massachusetts pol, Mitt Romney, played the [[TheScrooge mustache-twirling evil rich guy]] role to the hilt in 2012, despite having served in an overwhelmingly Democratic state as a classic Northeast moderate. He even went so far to run against Obamacare, which was modeled on his own (successful) health care program! He too seemed ordered to take the big dive and ensured he would lose by enlisting Creator/AynRand radical Rep. Paul Ryan, whose budget plans scared all
think of the seniors and others dependent on Social Security. Otherwise, like Kerry, there's a good chance he would have won...Again, it, maybe ''Series/TheWalkingDead'' isn't sci-fi. Maybe it's like some script is being followed.
-->--'''[[http://secretsun.
kind of allegory for America's inevitable future under the false dichotomies that dominate political conversation, the pissing matches between elites carried over from [[UpperClassTwit the dorms of Choate and Andover.]]
-->--'''[[http://secretsunjr.
blogspot.com/2014/11/a-very-sirius-election-pretending-that.com/2012/12/the-culture-of-surrender-or-cheeto.html Christopher Loring Knowles]]''', "A Very Sirius Election -- Pretending The Wars Are Done"
Knowles]]'''
9th May '15 10:13:10 PM johnnyfog
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->I think conservatives in America have been hoist by their own petard. They just kept knocking down any chance of gun legislation and effectively forced America to accept that the massacres are [[ViceCity just something it's gonna have to accept]] now and again! And then they wonder why no one seems concerned with seeking revenge for 9/11 anymore.

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->I think conservatives in America have been hoist by their own petard. They ->They just kept knocking down any chance of gun legislation and effectively forced America to accept that the massacres are [[ViceCity just something it's gonna have to accept]] now and again! And then they wonder why no one seems concerned with seeking revenge for 9/11 anymore.
9th May '15 10:12:53 PM johnnyfog
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->How can you refuse to fund my research? or not invite me to participate in yours? You National Institutes of Health received my first request for money 2 years ago. It took you 1 year [[VastBureaucracy just to print out application forms]]. It's taken you 3 years for my first reported case just to show up here for a look. And the [[TheScrooge paltry amount of money you are forcing us to beg for]] out of the $4 billion you receive every year to ''protect the health of the American people'' won't come to anyone before only God knows when. A promising virus has been discovered in France. Why do you refuse to cooperate with the French? Why are we told ''not to cooperate'' with the French? Just so you can steal a Nobel Prize while something is being passed around that causes death?
-->--'''Dr. Bruckner''', ''Theatre/TheNormalHeart''



->As heirs to a legacy more than two centuries old, it is understandable why present-day Americans would take their democracy for granted. A president freely chosen from a wide-open field of two men every four years; a Congress with a 99% incumbency rate; a Supreme Court comprised of nine politically appointed judges whose only oversight is the icy scythe of Death--all these reveal a system fully capable of maintaining itself. But our perfect democracy, which neither needs nor particularly wants voters, is a rarity. It is important to remember that ... dozens of foreign countries still long for a democracy such as ours to be imposed on them.
-->-- '''[[Series/TheDailyShow Jon Stewart]]''' et al, ''America (The Book): A Citizen's Guide to Democracy [[PunBasedTitle Inaction]]''



->This is why we can’t have nice things.\\\
No seriously, the biggest block there is to fixing the myriad of things wrong with everything in our society is the fact that a dedicated bloc of our populace reacts like winged howler monkeys whenever an ever-growing list of [[{{Newspeak}} verboten words]] are invoked. As such, something like this which is literally the least anyone could do about the problems surrounding rape in [[strike:schools]] [[strike:this country]] ''the world'' is deemed instantly bad evil wrong and needs to be destroyed simply because it involves '[[StrawmanPolitical White House]]' '[[SlobsVersusSnobs college]]' and '[[SexIsEvil sexual]]'.
-->--'''''Sadly, No!''''' [[http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/40017 rebuts]] Jonah Goldberg's "What War on Women?"

->'''Neoconservative:''' Originally used to describe left-wingers [[DefectorFromDecadence who crossed the floor]], neocons are on the authoritarian right, rather than the traditionally conservative libertarian right. They tend to be very pro-war and adopt the mentality of "We're better than you and we know it."\\\

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->This is why we can’t have nice things.\\\
No seriously, the biggest block there is to fixing the myriad of things wrong with everything in our society is the fact that a dedicated bloc of our populace reacts like winged howler monkeys whenever an ever-growing list of [[{{Newspeak}} verboten words]] are invoked. As such, something like this which is literally the least anyone could do about the problems surrounding rape in [[strike:schools]] [[strike:this country]] ''the world'' is deemed instantly bad evil wrong and needs to be destroyed simply because it involves '[[StrawmanPolitical White House]]' '[[SlobsVersusSnobs college]]' and '[[SexIsEvil sexual]]'.
-->--'''''Sadly, No!''''' [[http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/40017 rebuts]] Jonah Goldberg's "What War on Women?"

->'''Neoconservative:''' Originally
->Originally used to describe left-wingers [[DefectorFromDecadence who crossed the floor]], neocons are on the authoritarian right, rather than the traditionally conservative libertarian right. They tend to be very pro-war and adopt the mentality of "We're better than you and we know it."\\\



->Even from before his run for lieutenant governor Jackson was known for his Biblically inspired campaigns ''in favor of'' greed. “Money magnifies the character of an individual,” said Jackson, arguing that charity shouldn't go to the poor but instead upward, to the wealthy, since they are the “job creators”. In his book he even suggests -- not particularly surprisingly -- that giving your money directly ''to him'' if you start feeling a deep connection to God, and that doing so will convince God to let you “prosper”. He has also taken a firm stand against federal disaster relief since such relief turns government into God, the idea being presumably that disasters are God’s just punishment anyways and it would be very ungodly (playing God or questioning His judgment) to help the disaster victims.\\\
That should of course have made him all set for the aforementioned run for lieutenant governor.
-->--''[[http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2013/11/794-ew-jackson.html Encyclopedia of American Loons]]'' on E.W. Jackson



->America has no landed aristocracy. We are shallowly rooted in our own soil, a [[WalkingTheEarth highly mobile people]], and we cannot delude ourselves about an organic connection with the land as the descendants of the displaced original inhabitants still live among us. And our family arrangements, well, let’s just say that absolute patriarchal authority doesn’t have pride of place these days.\\\
So what could possibly motivate [[{{Blackshirt}} monarchical yearnings]] among American conservatives? A fear that the American people have failed and needs to be [[HobbesWasRight properly directed]] by the right people. A fear that existing privilege [[EatTheRich cannot be maintained]] without explicit resort to violence as a political principle. A [[IRejectYourReality resolute inability]] to identify with the majority of the citizenry, the abiding conviction that one is a member of the [[AuthorityInNameOnly natural but unrecognized elite]].
-->--'''[[http://www.theamericanconservative.com/millman/monarchists-neo-reactionaries-and-neo-fascism/ Noah Millman]]''', "Monarchists, Neo-Reactionaries and Neo-Fascism"

->Unlike the Democrats, who never stray far from career politicians when selecting a presidential candidate, Republicans always seem to be looking for some sort of otherworldly savior to waltz in and take the country by storm. Someone unsullied by, you know, much (if any) actual experience in holding office, winning elections, and governing on a daily basis. Though GOP voters typically end up selecting major-state governors ([[UsefulNptes/RonaldReagan Reagan]], [[UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush Bush II]]) or long-serving, partly mummified senators (Dole, [=McCain=]), they spend a hell of a lot time in primary season dancing with some pretty strange suitors.\\\
Perhaps it’s the analogue to the longstanding and still-potent jibe that Republicans don’t really want to govern. They disdain the political process to such a degree that it takes them forever to pull the switch for a politician. Even the 2012 nominee Mitt Romney was touted more for his supposed business acumen as a turnaround specialist at Bain Capital than he was for his record as governor of Massachusetts. I’d argue, too, that Romney’s refusal to stand for reelection as governor in 2006 mirrored his party’s damaging dislike of politics. If you want to be president [[PointyHairedBoss but can’t be bothered to actually learn how to govern,]] well good luck with that.

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->America has no landed aristocracy. We are shallowly rooted in our own soil, a [[WalkingTheEarth highly mobile people]], and we cannot delude ourselves about an organic connection with the land as the descendants of the displaced original inhabitants still live among us. And our family arrangements, well, let’s just say that absolute patriarchal authority doesn’t have pride of place these days.\\\
So what could possibly motivate [[{{Blackshirt}} monarchical yearnings]] among American conservatives? A fear that the American people have failed and needs to be [[HobbesWasRight properly directed]] by the right people. A fear that existing privilege [[EatTheRich cannot be maintained]] without explicit resort to violence as a political principle. A [[IRejectYourReality resolute inability]] to identify with the majority of the citizenry, the abiding conviction that one is a member of the [[AuthorityInNameOnly natural but unrecognized elite]].
-->--'''[[http://www.theamericanconservative.com/millman/monarchists-neo-reactionaries-and-neo-fascism/ Noah Millman]]''', "Monarchists, Neo-Reactionaries and Neo-Fascism"

->Unlike the Democrats, who never stray far from career politicians when selecting a presidential candidate, Republicans always seem to be looking for some sort of otherworldly savior to waltz in and take the country by storm. Someone unsullied by, you know, much (if any) actual experience in holding office, winning elections, and governing on a daily basis. Though GOP voters typically end up selecting major-state governors ([[UsefulNptes/RonaldReagan Reagan]], [[UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush Bush II]]) or long-serving, partly mummified senators (Dole, [=McCain=]), they spend a hell of a lot time in primary season dancing with some pretty strange suitors.\\\
Perhaps it’s the analogue to the longstanding and still-potent jibe that Republicans don’t really want to govern. They disdain the political process to such a degree that it takes them forever to pull the switch for a politician. Even the 2012 nominee Mitt Romney was touted more for his supposed business acumen as a turnaround specialist at Bain Capital than he was for his record as governor of Massachusetts. I’d argue, too, that Romney’s refusal to stand for reelection as governor in 2006 mirrored his party’s damaging dislike of politics.
basis...If you want to be president [[PointyHairedBoss but can’t be bothered to actually learn how to govern,]] well good luck with that.



->If we are to insist that everyone is entitled to whatever he can obtain in a free market, then at least we ought to try having a free market. And a free market cannot tolerate some of the most common historical features of capitalism: aggressive land theft on a massive scale, arbitrary regulatory and licensure systems that function as high cost barriers to market entry and preclude opportunities for self-employment, various direct and indirect subsidies that redistribute wealth to connected firms, and a government-created system of financial laws and institutions which produces the Wall Street cartel we have today. It turns out, then, that capitalism doesn’t quite square with what libertarians really want when we endorse free markets. We’re not as close to a free market system as even many libertarians like to pretend. It is not a matter of making a few tweaks and free market reforms here and there, of privatizing a few governmental monopolies and deregulating a few industries. Rather to get there from here would mean a thoroughgoing, systematic departure from the capitalistic tyranny we have and have had for a long time, a system which indeed is the direct successor of statist systems before from feudalism to mercantilism.
-->--'''[[http://c4ss.org/content/30305 David S'Amato]]''', "Left Wing Individualism"

->Jesus Christ once told his followers: ''No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money. - Luke 16:13.''\\\
Increasingly, the religious right is trying to do exactly that, intertwining Evangelical fundamentalism with unfettered capitalism — with disastrous results for the environment. Thus, American political life is increasingly dominated by Christians who reject the religious ethos, in favor of capitalist ethos...Conservative Evangelicals are not concerned with dwindling biodiversity, the destruction of ecosystem, rampant pollution, global warming and the numerous other environmental challenges we face. Rather they, with the business community, are concerned with the bottom line. The future is irrelevant (unless we’re talking about government debt).
-->--'''[[http://www.alternet.org/belief/5-biblical-concepts-fundamentalists-just-dont-understand?page=0%2C1 Sean McElwee]]''', "5 Biblical Concepts Fundamentalists Just Don’t Understand"






->In [[CanadaEh Canadian]] politics, comparing universal medicine to [[GodwinsLaw a Nazi plot]] gets you thrown out of the party. In the United States, [[AchievementsInIgnorance it makes you the front-runner.]]

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->In [[CanadaEh Canadian]] politics, comparing universal medicine to [[GodwinsLaw a Nazi plot]] gets you thrown out of the party. In the United States, it makes you [[AchievementsInIgnorance it makes you the front-runner.]]
21st Apr '15 7:23:16 AM johnnyfog
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->This is why we can’t have nice things.\\\
No seriously, the biggest block there is to fixing the myriad of things wrong with everything in our society is the fact that a dedicated bloc of our populace reacts like winged howler monkeys whenever an ever-growing list of [[{{Newspeak}} verboten words]] are invoked. As such, something like this which is literally the least anyone could do about the problems surrounding rape in [[strike:schools]] [[strike:this country]] ''the world'' is deemed instantly bad evil wrong and needs to be destroyed simply because it involves '[[StrawmanPolitical White House]]' '[[SlobsVersusSnobs college]]' and '[[SexIsEvil sexual]]'.
-->--'''''Sadly, No!''''' [[http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/40017 rebuts]] Jonah Goldberg's "What War on Women?"
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