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** CruelToBeKind - Alice [[JerkassFacade acts like a cruel, callous jerkass]] to her friends, but this is because she doesn't want them to get hurt.
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** CruelToBeKind - Alice [[JerkassFacade acts like a cruel, callous jerkass]] jerkass to her friends, but this is because [[HiddenHeartOfGold she doesn't want them to get hurt.hurt]].
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* '''Straight''': Sally's country is ruled by Bob, an evil dictator, and she figures the only way to stop him is to become a dictator herself and overthrow him.
* '''Exaggerated''': Sally's country is ruled by Bob, an evil dictator, and she figures the only way to stop him is wanton murder and destruction of anything having to do with him.
* '''Exaggerated''': Sally's country is ruled by Bob, an evil dictator, and she figures the only way to stop him is wanton murder and destruction of anything having to do with him.
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* '''Straight''': Sally's Alice's country is ruled by Bob, an evil dictator, and she figures the only way to stop him is to become a dictator herself and overthrow him.
* '''Exaggerated''':Sally's Alice's country is ruled by Bob, an evil dictator, and she figures the only way to stop him is wanton murder and destruction of anything having to do with him.
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** Sally behaves like a SadistTeacher so her mischievous pupils will behave, as she actually cares about them and wants them to succeed.
** CruelToBeKind - Sally [[JerkassFacade acts like a cruel, callous jerkass]] to her friends, but this is because she doesn't want them to get hurt.
** CruelToBeKind - Sally [[JerkassFacade acts like a cruel, callous jerkass]] to her friends, but this is because she doesn't want them to get hurt.
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** Sally Alice behaves like a SadistTeacher so her mischievous pupils will behave, as she actually cares about them and wants them to succeed.
** CruelToBeKind -Sally Alice [[JerkassFacade acts like a cruel, callous jerkass]] to her friends, but this is because she doesn't want them to get hurt.
** CruelToBeKind -
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** Trying to do the right thing to stop Bob is never enough and leaves Sally feeling that there is no choice but to sink to his level.
** It is only Bob's iron-fisted rule that keeps his more ambitious underlings in check. Should Sally simply overthrow him, it give them an excuse to compete for power, thereby very likely casting the country into a bloody civil war as a result.
** It is only Bob's iron-fisted rule that keeps his more ambitious underlings in check. Should Sally simply overthrow him, it give them an excuse to compete for power, thereby very likely casting the country into a bloody civil war as a result.
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** Trying to do the right thing to stop Bob is never enough and leaves Sally Alice feeling that there is no choice but to sink to his level.
** It is only Bob's iron-fisted rule that keeps his more ambitious underlings in check. ShouldSally Alice simply overthrow him, it give them an excuse to compete for power, thereby very likely casting the country into a bloody civil war as a result.
** It is only Bob's iron-fisted rule that keeps his more ambitious underlings in check. Should
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* '''Subverted''': Sally doesn't care about doing good and really is just as selfish and evil as Bob.
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* '''Subverted''': Sally Alice doesn't care about doing good and really is just as selfish and evil as Bob.
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* '''Zig Zagged''': Sally is a big fan of IDidWhatIHadToDo; she indulges in evil actions if that's what it takes in a particular situation, but is equally willing to do good things when she thinks that will help. Sometimes she makes mistakes and acts the opposite of the useful way because she thinks it's necessary.
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* '''Zig Zagged''': Sally Alice is a big fan of IDidWhatIHadToDo; she indulges in evil actions if that's what it takes in a particular situation, but is equally willing to do good things when she thinks that will help. Sometimes she makes mistakes and acts the opposite of the useful way because she thinks it's necessary.
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* '''Lampshaded''': IDidWhatIHadToDoIDidWhatIHadToDo.
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* '''Exploited''': Emperor Evulz knows Sally will reluctantly stoop to necessary evil to stop him, and when she does broadcasts it to the whole world, turning her into a HeroWithBadPublicity.
* '''Defied''': Sally refuses to do anything evil to stop Bob as she knows it won't actually change the problem with the system, it'll just replace one dictator with another.
* '''Defied''': Sally refuses to do anything evil to stop Bob as she knows it won't actually change the problem with the system, it'll just replace one dictator with another.
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* '''Exploited''': Emperor Evulz knows Sally Alice will reluctantly stoop to necessary evil to stop him, and when she does broadcasts it to the whole world, turning her into a HeroWithBadPublicity.
* '''Defied''':Sally Alice refuses to do anything evil to stop Bob as she knows it won't actually change the problem with the system, it'll just replace one dictator with another.
* '''Defied''':
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** Sally finally overthrows Bob but not only does she do actions that make her just as evil as him, but it sends out a message that only evil can beat evil, which results in a never ending cycle of evil dictators being overthrown again and again and ultimately, nothing ever actually changes.
** Sally overthrows Bob, but her deception is exposed to the world and the people erupt into utter chaos and anarchy in the aftermath.
** Sally goes so over the deep end about what is acceptable as Necessary, she becomes the WellIntentionedExtremist.
* '''Reconstructed''': Sally realizes that the necessity of the evil doesn't negate the evilness of it, and once Bob is overthrown, she accepts her fate and turns herself in once a stable new regime is formed.
** Sally overthrows Bob, but her deception is exposed to the world and the people erupt into utter chaos and anarchy in the aftermath.
** Sally goes so over the deep end about what is acceptable as Necessary, she becomes the WellIntentionedExtremist.
* '''Reconstructed''': Sally realizes that the necessity of the evil doesn't negate the evilness of it, and once Bob is overthrown, she accepts her fate and turns herself in once a stable new regime is formed.
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** Sally Alice finally overthrows Bob but not only does she do actions that make her just as evil as him, but it sends out a message that only evil can beat evil, which results in a never ending cycle of evil dictators being overthrown again and again and ultimately, nothing ever actually changes.
**Sally Alice overthrows Bob, but her deception is exposed to the world and the people erupt into utter chaos and anarchy in the aftermath.
**Sally Alice goes so over the deep end about what is acceptable as Necessary, she becomes the WellIntentionedExtremist.
* '''Reconstructed''':Sally Alice realizes that the necessity of the evil doesn't negate the evilness of it, and once Bob is overthrown, she accepts her fate and turns herself in once a stable new regime is formed.
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* '''Invoked''': Pretty much any example of this trope.
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* '''Invoked''': Pretty much any example of this trope.trope, as Necessarily Evil characters intentionally and consciously have to choose to be this way.
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* '''Lampshaded''': ???
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* '''Lampshaded''': ???
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Pretty much any example of this trope.
* '''Exploited''':???Emperor Evulz knows Sally will reluctantly stoop to necessary evil to stop him, and when she does broadcasts it to the whole world, turning her into a HeroWithBadPublicity.
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* '''Exploited''':
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* '''Inverted''': Alice is a bad person by nature, but circumstances force her to do good to bring about a greater evil.
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* '''Inverted''': '''Inverted''':
** Alice is a CardCarryingVillain, and she commits crimes without reason, only ForTheEvulz.
** Alice is a bad person by nature, but [[PragmaticVillainy circumstances force her to do good to bring about a greaterevil.evil]].
** Alice is a CardCarryingVillain, and she commits crimes without reason, only ForTheEvulz.
** Alice is a bad person by nature, but [[PragmaticVillainy circumstances force her to do good to bring about a greater
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* '''Discussed''': ???
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* '''Discussed''': ???The General Bob ponders with another General on whether or not they should overthrow a corrupt or Fascist, but Inefficient monarch, considering the theoretical improvements in the country and the probable political unstability.
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* '''Justified''': Trying to do the right thing to stop Bob is never enough and leaves Sally feeling that there is no choice but to sink to his level.
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* '''Justified''': '''Justified''':
** Trying to do the right thing to stop Bob is never enough and leaves Sally feeling that there is no choice but to sink to hislevel.level.
** It is only Bob's iron-fisted rule that keeps his more ambitious underlings in check. Should Sally simply overthrow him, it give them an excuse to compete for power, thereby very likely casting the country into a bloody civil war as a result.
** Trying to do the right thing to stop Bob is never enough and leaves Sally feeling that there is no choice but to sink to his
** It is only Bob's iron-fisted rule that keeps his more ambitious underlings in check. Should Sally simply overthrow him, it give them an excuse to compete for power, thereby very likely casting the country into a bloody civil war as a result.
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* '''Straight''': Sally's country is ruled by Bob, an evil dictator and figures the only way to stop him is to become a dictator herself and overpower him.
* '''Exaggerated''': Sally's country is ruled by Bob, an evil dictator and figures the only way to stop her is wanton murder and destruction of anything having to do with that dictator.
* '''Exaggerated''': Sally's country is ruled by Bob, an evil dictator and figures the only way to stop her is wanton murder and destruction of anything having to do with that dictator.
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* '''Straight''': Sally's country is ruled by Bob, an evil dictator dictator, and she figures the only way to stop him is to become a dictator herself and overpower overthrow him.
* '''Exaggerated''': Sally's country is ruled by Bob, an evildictator dictator, and she figures the only way to stop her him is wanton murder and destruction of anything having to do with that dictator.him.
* '''Exaggerated''': Sally's country is ruled by Bob, an evil
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* '''Justified''': Trying to do the right thing to stop Bob is never enough and leaves Sally feeling with no choice but to do this particular course of actions.
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* '''Justified''': Trying to do the right thing to stop Bob is never enough and leaves Sally feeling with that there is no choice but to do this particular course of actions.sink to his level.
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* '''Averted''': ???
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* '''Averted''': ???No one performs evil actions for noble reasons; all villains are true villains and all heroes act only nobly.
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* '''Zig Zagged''': ???
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* '''Zig Zagged''': ???Sally is a big fan of IDidWhatIHadToDo; she indulges in evil actions if that's what it takes in a particular situation, but is equally willing to do good things when she thinks that will help. Sometimes she makes mistakes and acts the opposite of the useful way because she thinks it's necessary.
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* '''Parodied''': ???
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* '''Parodied''': ???In order to achieve a noble goal, Alice must play Bob's role as the villain who [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking jaywalks]].
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* '''Reconstructed''': Sally realizes that the necessity of the evil doesn't negate the evilness of it, and once Bob is overthrown, she accepts her fate and turns herself in once a stable new regime is formed.
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** Necessary Mean - Sally [[JerkassFacade acts like a cruel, callous jerkass]] to her friends, but this is because she doesn't want them to get hurt.
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** Necessary Mean CruelToBeKind - Sally [[JerkassFacade acts like a cruel, callous jerkass]] to her friends, but this is because she doesn't want them to get hurt.
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* '''Downplayed''': Sally behaves like a SadistTeacher so her mischievous pupils will behave, as she actually cares about them and wants them to succeed.
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* '''Downplayed''': '''Downplayed''':
** Sally behaves like a SadistTeacher so her mischievous pupils will behave, as she actually cares about them and wants them tosucceed.succeed.
** Necessary Mean - Sally [[JerkassFacade acts like a cruel, callous jerkass]] to her friends, but this is because she doesn't want them to get hurt.
** Sally behaves like a SadistTeacher so her mischievous pupils will behave, as she actually cares about them and wants them to
** Necessary Mean - Sally [[JerkassFacade acts like a cruel, callous jerkass]] to her friends, but this is because she doesn't want them to get hurt.
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** Sally goes so over the deep end about what is acceptable as Necessary, she becomes the WellIntentionedExtremest.
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** Sally goes so over the deep end about what is acceptable as Necessary, she becomes the WellIntentionedExtremest.WellIntentionedExtremist.
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** Sally goes so over the deep end about what is acceptable as Necessary, she becomes the WellIntentionedExtremest.
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* '''Double Subverted''': But only because she's BecomingTheMask. She started out good, but became hardened and cynical by years of doing bad things.
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* '''Double Subverted''': But only because she's BecomingTheMask. She started out good, but became hardened and hardened, cynical and possibly even crazy by years of doing bad things.
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* '''Deconstructed''': Sally finally overthrows Bob but not only does she do actions that make her just as evil as him, but it sends out a message that only evil can beat evil, which results in a never ending cycle of evil dictators being overthrown again and again and ultimately, nothing ever actually changes.
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* '''Deconstructed''': '''Deconstructed''':
** Sally finally overthrows Bob but not only does she do actions that make her just as evil as him, but it sends out a message that only evil can beat evil, which results in a never ending cycle of evil dictators being overthrown again and again and ultimately, nothing ever actually changes.
** Sally finally overthrows Bob but not only does she do actions that make her just as evil as him, but it sends out a message that only evil can beat evil, which results in a never ending cycle of evil dictators being overthrown again and again and ultimately, nothing ever actually changes.
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* '''Reconstructed''': ???
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** Sally overthrows Bob, but her deception is exposed to the world and the people erupt into utter chaos and anarchy in the aftermath.
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* '''Reconstructed''': Sally finally overthrows Bob. She is noticeably less evil than him, so the world's quality has really improved.
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* '''Reconstructed''': Sally finally overthrows Bob. She is noticeably less evil than him, so the world's quality has really improved.???
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* '''Reconstructed''': Sally finally overthrows Bob. She is noticeably less evil than him, so the world's quality has really improved.
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* '''Downplayed''': ???
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* '''Downplayed''': ???Sally behaves like a SadistTeacher so her mischievous pupils will behave, as she actually cares about them and wants them to succeed.
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* '''Inverted''': ???
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* '''Inverted''': ???Alice is a bad person by nature, but circumstances force her to do good to bring about a greater evil.
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* '''Double Subverted''': ???
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* '''Double Subverted''': ???But only because she's BecomingTheMask. She started out good, but became hardened and cynical by years of doing bad things.
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'''Basic Trope''': A character who asumes the villain's role out of nessesity. Usually to prevent the EvilPowerVacuum or to counter a greater kind of evil.
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'''Basic Trope''': A character who asumes assumes the villain's role out of nessesity.necessity. Usually to prevent the EvilPowerVacuum or to counter a greater kind of evil.
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'''Basic Trope''': A character believes that the only way to stop evil is to do evil actions themselves.
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'''Basic Trope''': A character believes that who asumes the only way villain's role out of nessesity. Usually to stop evil is prevent the EvilPowerVacuum or to do evil actions themselves.counter a greater kind of evil.
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* '''Subverted''': Sally doesn't care about doing good and really is just as selfish and evil as Bob.
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* '''Subverted''': Sally doesn't care about doing good and really is just as selfish and evil as Bob.'''Downplayed''': ???
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* '''Deconstructed''': Sally finally overthrows Bob but not only does she do actions that make her just as evil as him, but it sends out a message that only evil can beat evil, which results in a never ending cycle of evil dictators being overthrown again and again and ultimately, nothing ever actually changes.
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* '''Deconstructed''': '''Inverted''': ???
* '''Subverted''': Sallyfinally overthrows Bob but not only does she do actions that make her doesn't care about doing good and really is just as selfish and evil as him, but it sends out a message that only evil can beat evil, which results in a never ending cycle of evil dictators being overthrown again and again and ultimately, nothing ever actually changes.Bob.
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* '''Subverted''': Sally
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* '''Discussed''': "I can't beat you doing it my way! I'll have to stoop to your level."
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* '''Deconstructed''': Sally finally overthrows Bob but not only does she do actions that make her just as evil as him, but it sends out a message that only evil can beatyou doing it my way! I'll have evil, which results in a never ending cycle of evil dictators being overthrown again and again and ultimately, nothing ever actually changes.
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* '''Deconstructed''': Sally finally overthrows Bob but not only does she do actions that make her just as evil as him, but it sends out a message that only evil can beat
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* '''Deconstructed''': Sally finally overthrows Bob but not only does she do actions that make her just as evil as him, but it sends out a message that only evil can beat evil, which results in a never ending cycle of evil dictators being overthrown again and again and ultimately, nothing ever actually changes.
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* '''Deconstructed''': Sally finally overthrows Bob but not only does she do actions that make her just as evil as him, but it sends out a message that only evil can beat evil, which results in a never ending cycle of evil dictators being overthrown again and again and ultimately, nothing ever actually changes.changes.
* '''Defied''': Sally refuses to do anything evil to stop Bob as she knows it won't actually change the problem with the system, it'll just replace one dictator with another.
* '''Discussed''': "I can't beat you doing it my way! I'll have to stoop to your level."
* '''Defied''': Sally refuses to do anything evil to stop Bob as she knows it won't actually change the problem with the system, it'll just replace one dictator with another.
* '''Discussed''': "I can't beat you doing it my way! I'll have to stoop to your level."
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* '''Subverted''': Sally doesn't care about doing good and really is just as selfish and evil as Bob.
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* '''Deconstructed''': Sally finally overthrows the dictator but not only does she do actions that make her just as evil as the dictator, but it sends out a message that only evil can beat evil, which results in a never ending cycle of evil dictators being overthrown again and again and ultimately, nothing ever actually changes.
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* '''Deconstructed''': Sally finally overthrows the dictator Bob but not only does she do actions that make her just as evil as the dictator, him, but it sends out a message that only evil can beat evil, which results in a never ending cycle of evil dictators being overthrown again and again and ultimately, nothing ever actually changes.
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* '''Justified''': Trying to do the right thing to stop Bob is never enough and leaves her feeling with no choice but to do this particular course of actions.
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* '''Justified''': Trying to do the right thing to stop Bob is never enough and leaves her Sally feeling with no choice but to do this particular course of actions.
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* '''Exaggerated''': Sally's country is ruled by Bob, an evil dictator and figures the only way tostop her is wanton murder and destruction of anything having to do with that dictator.
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* '''Exaggerated''': Sally's country is ruled by Bob, an evil dictator and figures the only way tostop to stop her is wanton murder and destruction of anything having to do with that dictator.
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'''Basic Trope''': A character believes that the only way to stop evil is to do evil actions themselves.
* '''Straight''': Sally's country is ruled by Bob, an evil dictator and figures the only way to stop him is to become a dictator herself and overpower him.
* '''Exaggerated''': Sally's country is ruled by Bob, an evil dictator and figures the only way tostop her is wanton murder and destruction of anything having to do with that dictator.
* '''Justified''': Trying to do the right thing to stop Bob is never enough and leaves her feeling with no choice but to do this particular course of actions.
* '''Deconstructed''': Sally finally overthrows the dictator but not only does she do actions that make her just as evil as the dictator, but it sends out a message that only evil can beat evil, which results in a never ending cycle of evil dictators being overthrown again and again and ultimately, nothing ever actually changes.
* '''Straight''': Sally's country is ruled by Bob, an evil dictator and figures the only way to stop him is to become a dictator herself and overpower him.
* '''Exaggerated''': Sally's country is ruled by Bob, an evil dictator and figures the only way tostop her is wanton murder and destruction of anything having to do with that dictator.
* '''Justified''': Trying to do the right thing to stop Bob is never enough and leaves her feeling with no choice but to do this particular course of actions.
* '''Deconstructed''': Sally finally overthrows the dictator but not only does she do actions that make her just as evil as the dictator, but it sends out a message that only evil can beat evil, which results in a never ending cycle of evil dictators being overthrown again and again and ultimately, nothing ever actually changes.