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** In the Dialogues ''Timaeus'' and ''Critias'', Plato went outside of his comfort zone a bit and created two pseudohistorical characters named, well, Timaeus and Critias, as well as creating the fictional island of Atlantis, which was once in favor with Posideon and tried to invade Athens but sank due to hubris of its inhabitants. Plato was surprised to learn that in many worlds Atlantis is not a metaphor for philosophical lessons but a real place, sometimes abandoned but just as often inhabited by Mer-people. Moreover, Plato learned of Dartz, a king of Atlantis, and that in the YuGiOh! world Timaeus and Critias were legendary knights. Plato is interested in meeting these Atlanteans someday but hasn't found time in his schedule yet.
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*** Char Azamble advocates for his father's philosophy of Contolism, which believes that humanity sEarth leave earth and move towardtoin order to evolve into psychic beings. Socrates asked why [[AppealToNovelty evolving psychic communication would be inherently beneficial]], or why humans in space would have the right or authority to decide what the humans on earth on do if they declare themselves independent. Char did not have answer to these questions. Plato wonders if Contolism is really a philosophy at all, as it says nothing about ethics, the state, reality, or anything that would instead be called science in the modern world.
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** Many of the things that these philosophers have said are suspect, if not offensive today. These things include accepting the existence of slavery as a natural fact and justifying it(mainly Aristotle), believing that men were superior to women(again, Aristotle), holding some beings as more significant than others in the Great Chain of Being (Aristotle ''and'' Plato), and holding a Greek-centric worldview(pretty common in the ancient world). While the three men are still respected as great thinkers, that respect nowadays comes with a squint and a raised eyebrow.
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!The Philosophers
[[folder: Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle]]
'''Creator/{{Socrates}}, Creator/{{Plato}}, and Creator/{{Aristotle}}, the Divine Trio of [[ThePhilosopher Philosophers]]''' (Socrates: Gadfly, [[spoiler: [[VisualNovel/SocratesJonesProPhilosopher The Arbiter]]]]; Plato: Aristocles, Grappler; Aristotle: The Philosopher)
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[[caption-width-right:891:Socrates, right before drinking the Hemlock juice. ''The Death of Socrates'' by Jacques-Louis David, 1787]]
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* Demigods, Greater Gods in Authority ([[spoiler: Socrates is a Greater God as the Arbiter]])
* Symbol: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Socrate_du_Louvre.jpg His Head]] (Socrates), [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy_of_the_divided_line#/media/File:DividedLine.svg The Divided Line]] (Plato), The original cover of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomachean_Ethics Nicomachean Ethics]] (Aristotle)
* Alignments: TrueNeutral (Socrates), LawfulNeutral (Aristotle, Plato)
* Profile: '''The Three Quintessential Western [[ThePhilosopher Philosophers]]''', [[UsefulNotes/AncientGreece ancient]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Athens}} Athenians]], [[MasterApprenticeChain Chain of Teachers and Students]], [[DemocracyIsBad Criticized "Democracy"]], [[ArchEnemy Hated the Sophists]], [[ValuesDissonance Different values form modern times]] [[LanguageDrift but also misinterpreted]]
** Socrates: EccentricMentor, TheGadfly, CommanderContrarian, TheCynic, BarefootSage, [[WorkingClassHero Stonecutter Dayjob]], [[ArmorPiercingQuestion The Socratic]] [[ObfuscatingStupidity Method]], [[GeniusBruiser Peloponnesian War Vet]], [[DyingMomentOfAwesome Died for His Beliefs]], [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight saved Leon of Salamis from the Thirty Tyrants]], [[KnowNothingKnowItAll Knows]] [[InvertedTrope he knows nothing]], [[ILoveYouBecauseICantControlYou Loved his Fiesty Wife]], [[TeacherStudentRomance very close with Plato]]
** Plato: [[BlueBlood Aristocratic background]], [[GoodFeelsGood Eudymonia]], [[GeniusBruiser broad-shouldered wrestler]], TheTreacheryOfImages, [[VirtueViceCodification Founder of Virtue Theory]], [[GoodRepublicEvilEmpire Hated Tyranny]], [[TheseusShipParadox The Ship of Theseus]] and [[LogicBomb other Pradoxes]], [[PlatonicCave The Cave]] [[PhilosophicalParable and other parables]], [[NewMediaAreEvil Didn't like Reading]], [[SpeechCentricWork Wrote Dialogues instead of Essays]], [[WordOfSaintPaul used Socrates to express his views in dialogues]], [[AuthorTract went a little heavy in later dialogues]]
** Aristotle: [[PrivateTutor Alexander the Great's Private Tutor]], [[BeigeProse concise writer]], [[ContemplateOurNavels Philosophy as part of the good life]], ForHappiness, [[HeManWomanHater thought Women were inferior to Men]] but with caveats, observed the ChickenAndEggParadox, [[PlatoIsAMoron disagreed with Plato's theory of forms]], [[TakeAThirdOption accepted some rhetoric, but still below truth]], [[OmnidisciplinaryScientist the father of many sciences]] [[ScienceMarchesOn but eventually discredited in many]], '''[[WroteTheBook The Earliest Recorded Troper]]'''
* Domains: Philosophy, Dialogue, Paradoxes, Ethics, Politics, [[spoiler: The Afterlife]]
* High Priest: Creator/ThomasAquinas
* Allies: [[Pantheon/WritingTechniques Niccolò Machiavelli]], [[Pantheon/OrganizationsProfiles The Alliance of Free Stars (specifically Chmmr)]], [[Pantheon/OutlooksOnLife John Keating]], [[Pantheon/AnalysisAndRecords Byleth]], [[Pantheon/{{School}} Eikichi Onizuka ]], [[Pantheon/CombatClothing Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad]], [[Pantheon/RacialAppearances Kassanda]], [[Pantheon/AirBasedTravel Norrin Radd/Silver Surfer]], [[Pantheon/FightingCombos Atreus]]
** Socrates: [[Pantheon/CharacterRoles Maud Pie]], [[spoiler: [[Pantheon/AfterlifeEntities Ereshkigal]], [[Pantheon/MaleAppearances Osiris]], [[Pantheon/ReasonsForDeath Izanami]], [[Pantheon/LawAndJustice Eiki Shiki]], and other afterlife entities]]
** Plato: [[Pantheon/{{Philosophy}} Aslan]]
** Aristotle: [[Franchise/AvatarTheLastAirbender The good Avatar deities]], [[Pantheon/{{Leadership}} Saint Jeanne d'Arc]]
* Enemies: [[Pantheon/{{Ambiguity}} Lucifer(SMT)]], [[Pantheon/ReligionAndFaith YHVH]]
** Plato: [[Pantheon/TyrannicalFigures Sauron]]
** Aristotle: [[Pantheon/WeaponPlacement Adam Taurus]], [[Pantheon/ComplexSymbolism Vaatu]]
* Have conversed with: [[Pantheon/{{Colours}} Char Azamble]], [[Pantheon/{{Ambiguity}} Lucifer(SMT)]] (Socrates)
* Neutral Terms with: [[Pantheon/{{Sinners}} Kratos]]
* Interested in: Atlanteans(ex.[[Pantheon/MetalAndMinerals Dartz]], [[Pantheon/FantasticRaces Aquaman]]) (Plato), [[Pantheon/{{Characterization}} Carl Jung]], [[Pantheon/LoveOther Sigmund Freud]]
* Special Relationship: [[Pantheon/MilitaryAndWarfare Alexander the Great]] (Aristotle)
* Once Upon a Time in Ancient Greece, a man from Athens approached the Oracle of Delphi. The man asked the oracle if there was anyone wiser than his friend, and the Oracle replied that it was true. When the man, Chaerephon, then told this to his friend, the friend was skeptical and proceeded to try to find people who might be wiser than him: politicians, craftsmen, and poets. But no matter who he talked to, he always found them lacking and eventually conceded that even though he knew nothing, unlike these experts he knew that he knew nothing. The name of this friend was Socrates and his method of interrogating one's beliefs and asking questions no matter the subject laid the foundation for Western Philosophy. During his rounds of questioning people in the city, he acquired a group of people who followed him and eventually became his students. Eventually, Socrates asked the wrong people the wrong questions and was tried and convicted by a jury for charges of corrupting the youth and blasphemy against the gods. Instead of running away or resisting, he accepted his death sentence and drank a cup of poisonous hemlock.
** His student Plato would continue his legacy, moving from questioning others to trying to find the answers. Plato believed that the true nature of things lay in forms: immaterial, timeless essences of things, with the Form of The Good at the very top; the physical world is merely composed of imperfect versions of these forms. He believed that trying to better match these forms could lead to better lives and happier societies, and so sought to find them with the power of reason. Part of this journey was the Dialogues, where Plato wrote out his ideas in the form of how Socrates debated people in years past. He also founded The Platonic Academy, a place for personal and intellectual development. It was once said that "All Philosophy is but a footnote to Plato".
** One of Plato's students, Aristotle, agreed with his teacher on certain things like the importance of virtue but disagreed about the Theory of Forms: Aristotle believed that the physical form of a thing was intrinsic to its nature, and so sought to study the physical world of empiricism instead of Plato's idealistic realm of forms. Later, King Philip II of Macedonia asked Aristotle to tutor his son, who would become known as Alexander the Great. Aristotle encouraged Alexander's desire for conquest, but they broke apart due to their disagreements over Alenxander's belief in "ruling by friendship", believing he should put a tighter Yoke on the Persians. After Alexander died and his empire fell apart, Aristotle returned to Athens, established his own school of philosophy in the Lyceum, and penned his most well-known works. The books (or to be more accurate, lecture notes), established everything the Western world believed from medicine to ethics to logic to almost everything in between.
* It was a confusing time in the Pantheon: trickers and trolls from the House of Mentalism had decided to target the House of Knowledge, switching books and creating misleading theories. In the chaos, a librarian gave a wish to the heavens: "please, send help against deceivers!" In a moment, three figures walked out of the dust. Those in the know knew they were saved, for the three great philosophers had come to the Pantheon.
** Before his fateful death, Socrates wondered what the afterlife was like: would he be able to meet with the heroes of old, or would there be nothing, and thus freedom from earthly worries? it turns out the latter was true, and Socrates is committed to becoming a "social Gadfly" once again to promote virtue in the Pantheon. [[spoiler: This is only half of the truth. In reality, Socrates was sent to the Intelligible Realm, the afterlife of philosophers. After convincing the past Arbiter of the truth of morality, he became the new Arbiter, the administrator of the realm. However, he later realized that his answer was actually wrong, and waited for someone who would find the true answer. After Socrates Jones put forward an argument that the truth of morality may exist but be unreachable, Socrates was convinced by other Underworld leaders such as Ereshkigal to come to the pantheon in order to help bolster stability. He brought Plato and Aristotle to help him manage his new position]].
** Plato is ecstatic to be in the Pantheon, as a world of Tropes may be closer to the world of forms he seeks. He's currently trying to figure out why the Pantheon came to be and what its true nature is, but with reason instead of scientific testing.
** Aristotle is no stranger to tropes, as his book Literature/Poetics is the earliest surviving work of dramatic theory and the first philosophical writing on literary theory. This technically makes him the earliest known troper, which some suspect gives him authority rivaling that of Gygax and Arneson. However, if he does have this power, he has yet to use it openly.
* Socrates is well known not for providing answers, but for asking deep questions. However, Socrates in Plato's later dialogues does have concrete opinions and positions on topics, as Plato was expressing his opinions through Socrates. The question on whether these dialogues reflected the "real" Socrates, and how other accounts of him seem to be contradictory is known as [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_problem the Socratic Problem]], and it is one that scholars in the Pantheon still discuss. It is currently unknown if Plato's writings influenced how Socrates appears in the Pantheon, but observers have noticed that the different accounts given by his students seem to all be at least partially true, and Socrates has yet to say any concrete philosophical opinions in his Pantheonic dialogues.
* As leaders of the House of Philosophy, the three have taken it upon themselves to help the field of philosophy flourish throughout the pantheon, whether it be individual thinks such as Machiavelli or whole races which as the Chmmr of the Alliance of Free Stars.
** Speaking of aliens, the non-human races in the Pantheon present a unique opportunity to engage with an even wider field of views than the philosophers ever thought possible. To that end, they often engage with conversation partners who are just as enthusiastic about philosophy as they are, such as the Silver Surfer, who is part of a ProudScholarRace.
** As a Spartan, Kratos does not fully trust the Athenian philosophers, believing that wisdom comes from one's actions instead of their words. On the other hand, Atreus is fascinated by their teachings, so his father begrudgingly lets him listen in on their lectures. The trio respects Kratos's redemption and love for his son, but also recognizes that he still has a long road to walk in order to become the great god and king he is destined to be.
* Despite being generally lawful or neutral, the three philosophers are ardent allies of the [[Pantheon/AssassinsCreed Order of Assassins]], an organization with the explicit goal of fighting for freedom above all else. The answer why is a bit complicated: Kassanda, an ancient greek predecessor of the Assassin Order and [[spoiler: daughter of Socrates's contemporary Pythagoras]] personally knew Socrates and a young Plato. Socrates and Plato likewise treat Kassandra like family, and are always willing to help her and her successors. It helps that Assassins such as Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad are avid philosophers themselves and their company makes for great conversation.
* While the first Western philosopher is usually identified as Thales, these 3 are considered the forefathers of Western philosophy, laying the groundwork for the millennia of thought to follow. However, time moves on, and the Pantheon is nearly unrecognizable to the world in which they once lived, it is time for them to decide what parts of their philosophies hold up in the modern day and which ones do not.
** Many of the things that these philosophers have said are suspect, if not offensive today. These things include accepting the existence of slavery as a natural fact and justifying it(mainly Aristotle), believing that men were superior to women(again, Aristotle), holding some beings as more significant than others in the Great Chain of Being (Aristotle ''and'' Plato), and holding a Greek-centric worldview(pretty common in the ancient world). While the three men are still respected as great thinkers, that respect nowadays comes with a squint and a raised eyebrow.
*** On the other hand, it would be incomplete to say that they were completely misogynistic even during their mortal lives. Socrates dearly loved his first wife Xanthippe (although some sources say that he actually married Myrto or cheated on one them with Alcibiades) ''because'' of her feisty attitude; Plato advocated for women's education; and even though Aristotle didn't like how Sparta treated men and women with the same rules for a while (as he thought men were naturally active and women passive), he still argued that the happiness of women should be taken in equal regard.
** However, one of these views that may have been twisted throughout the ages was their consistent criticism of "Democracy". However, this is an issue of language drift: to them, the term "Democracy" did not refer to voting or representative democracy but a general rule by the people. While the three philosophers had their differences on what the ideal society should be, they all agreed that uncritically giving power to the majority of people is a degenerate (bad) form of government; democracy is characterized not by how the government works, but by the people ignoring the rule of law in favor of their own desires and are likely to bring tyrants into power. While they generally favor an aristocracy (rule by the most virtuous), they are not opposed by a properly organized and benevolent system based on voting and representation (what Aristotle calls a ''Polity''). It is because they oppose this degenerate form that they are enemies of Lucifer, who wants the entire world to be ruled by personal whims and desires. When the demon lord heard that the three philosophers opposed him, he simply smirked and said, "interesting".
** On the other hand, they're not exactly a big fan of tyrants and dictators. Socrates personally disobeyed the Thirty Tyrants of Athens, although not as much as others would have, while Plato absolutely abhorred them when he was young. Plato later went on to try to depose the despot Dionysius I of Syracuse, but did not succeed. Aristotle say tyranny as the perverted form of Royalty/monarchy, and personally believed that the Polity was the superior form of government over even Aristocracy or Monarchy. It is for this reason that the three also consider YHVH an enemy, as the mad god not only imposes oppressive rule on the people but is known to bend to rules for his benefit. For this reason, the three refused to have any sort of association with the [[Pantheon/GrandUnitedAllianceOfLaw GUAL]] until it was reformed into its more "rational" form.
** Despite being well-known philosophers, Socrates and Plato are not very well-versed in formal logic. This is because the concept wasn't really invented yet (Aristotle invented Term Logic), but also because they despised the Sophists, who they saw as prioritizing winning arguments over actual truth. After [[spoiler: Socrates Jones beat Socrates]], the three saw that they needed to learn modern logic.
** While the philosophers are currently attending school, they intend to eventually teach philosophy at Elysium Academy as soon as they get the proper credentials, as a continuation of their teaching work during their mortal lives. For that reason, they have become well-acquainted with current teachers such as Byleth Eisner, John Keating, and Eikichi Onizuka.
** One of the oft-debated arguments over Socrates was whether he was purely heterosexual or had a younger male lover in either Alcibiades or Plato, which would be called Pedastry (a form of Child Sex Abuse) nowadays. There is also the matter that Plato wrote Socrates as being approving of Pedastry, while Xenophon wrote him as against it. As far as researchers understand, the Socrates in the Pantheon was completely loyal to his wives, but Plato may have written [[HotTeacher his attraction to his teacher]] into his Dialogues. For understandable reasons, no one is eager to dig any further, and the LGBT deities in the Pantheon do not consider Socrates or Plato to be one of their own. Whatever the case, it can at least be assured that none of the three are ''currently'' doing anything with young boys.
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** Despite being qualified to run for office in ancient Athens, he never did so, instead preferring to help his city by "improving" its inhabitants directly, talking and debating with them one at a time in the city's main square. Is is these dialogues that made him so revered, and as a citizen of the pantheon he intends to continue his work. After all, many people in the Pantheon believe that they have figured out life's great truths, and Socrates wants to know if they are correct:
*** Char Azamble advocates for his father's philosophy of Contolism, which believes that humanity sEarth leave earth and move towardtoin order to evolve into psychic beings. Socrates asked why [[AppealToNovelty evolving psychic communication would be inherently beneficial]], or why humans in space would have the right or authority to decide what the humans on earth on do if they declare themselves independent. Char did not have answer to these questions. Plato wonders if Contolism is really a philosophy at all, as it says nothing about ethics, the state, reality, or anything that would instead be called science in the modern world.
*** The Demon Lord Lucifer, a great leader of the Pantheon's Chaos Faction, believes in a fully individualistic world where everyone was only beholden to their own desires. Instead of giving a direct counter-argument, Socrates instead posited a scenario where a person has access to an endless supply of drugs. They can do anything they want in the world and cannot be stopped, although they are obviously compelled to always take more drugs by their addiction. The addict is technically free as people would be in an ideal world of chaos, yet this person is a slave to their desires. When Socrates asked Lucifer if such a person is free, Lucifer said that they would be. As they were both in the House of Crime, Socrates led Lucifer to an alleyway where a disheveled addict, obviously undergoing withdrawal symptoms, fought with another addict over a blanket. Lucifer did not say anymore.
** Socrates's day job is not that of a philosopher, but instead a stonecutter as he refuses to make any money off of teaching philosophy. One day, while doing his work in the House of Craft he was approached by the stoic pony Maud Pie, who started a long conversation about rocks. The two have entered into a deal: Socrates helps her find and shape cool rocks, and she sometimes listens to him debate philosophy.
** Socrates was tried, convicted, and executed for two crimes: corrupting the youth and Asebeia(impiety, mockery of the divine), as his accusers believed that he was spreading atheism among his students. This is seen best in his debate with Euthyphro. However, is it unknown whether he is actually an atheist or merely an inquisitive believer, or perhaps [[NayTheist believes the gods exist but does not worship them in the traditional sense]]. Athena, the patron deity of Athens and the goddess of wisdom, has said that the trio's temple sends sacrifices to her, but is is unknown if Socrates contributes to them. Given that no one really cares to dive into his private life, the mystery is fated to remain so for a long time.
** [[spoiler: When he is not teaching philosophy or cutting stone, Socrates serves the Arbiter, the ruler of the intelligible realm, the afterlife of Philosophers. Because philosophers and rational beings, the work is relatively easy, but his inexperience with management sometimes requires him to call for more experienced underworld managers such as Ereshkigal. After the two became friends, the goddess has connected him to the [[VideoGame/FateGrandOrder Chaldea Security Organization]], but it is unknown if and when he will be summoned as a servant.]]
* Exclusive to Plato
** As an extension of his virtue theory and the theory of Forms, Plato naturally tried to figure out what the "ideal society" should be. His answer was quite unconventional: a society divided into three classes: workers/farmers who made goods, warriors who kept the public order and protected the city from outside threats, and philosophers kings drawn from the best of the warrior class that ruled with wisdom. Each class had their own privileges and responsibilities: only the warriors and philosopher kings were provided an education, but only commoners were raised with their birth families and could own property. Before you ask, he had no knowledge of the Hindu caste system. Plato thought that giving people specific jobs would help keep balance, but more modern deities questions how Plato didn't see how this could obviously lead to a [[Literature/{{Divergent}} dystopia]]. Furthermore, Plato endorsed the elites of scoeity telling everyone else the "Noble Lie" to maintain social harmony that everyone is born with different kinds of souls that are fit for different positions. Naturally, this is opposed by those who oppose stratified societies and those who care about the [[Main/InformationWantsToBeFree freedom of information]].
** One of the lesser-known parts of Plato's was his entanglement with the rulers of the City of Syracuse. Long story short, he tried multiple times to influence the city's heirs and kings to be wise philosopher kings, but they rejected him and his teachings to become tyrants, the last one even putting him into slavery. He was bought out by a friend, but the expense has still shaped an otherwise elitist man to be against slavery in every form and very sympathetic to slaves.
** "Plato" is not his birth name; [[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname it is a nickname that refers to his wide shoulders]], and his real name is Aristocles. Why does everyone call him Plato? It was given to him by his wrestling coach, Ariston of Argos, because of his broad chest and shoulders; the Greek word platýs means "broad". Plato was quite good at wrestling, perhaps even participating in the Isthmian Games. This is why he has been categorized as the class grappler in Holy Grail Wars. In the pantheon, Plato has considered joining the Pantheon's professional wrestling circuit, but only after he becomes accustomed first.
** One of Plato's less well-known characteristics was his love of jewelry: when he was young he was known for wearing rings and earrings and was even called decadent for it by Sextus Empiricus. Perhaps out of an after-life crisis, he's started a habit of visiting the [[Pantheon/GemsAndJewellery Hall of Gems and Jewlery]], where he sometimes buys items from Olivia's store.
*** Speaking of rings, one of Plato's most famous dialogues was one in Literature/TheRepublic where Socrates debated with Plato's older brother Glaucon on the nature of justice. Glaucon famously came up with a story in which the farmer Gyges discovered a ring that allowed him to turn invincible, thereby holding him unaccountable to the consequences of his actions. He used this power to seduce the queen of his city, kill the king, and then become the new thing. Plato was surprised to learn that his brother's tale was surprisingly accurate and that a ring that turns individuals invisible while also corrupting them with power was a [[Franchise/TolkiensLegendarium real object]], crafted by the called Maiar Sauron. After learning about this, Plato instantly became an enemy of the Dark Lord for creating and using such an evil object.
** In the Dialogues ''Timaeus'' and ''Critias'', Plato went outside of his comfort zone a bit and created two pseudohistorical characters named, well, Timaeus and Critias, as well as creating the fictional island of Atlantis, which was once in favor with Posideon and tried to invade Athens but sank due to hubris of its inhabitants. Plato was surprised to learn that in many worlds Atlantis is not a metaphor for philosophical lessons but a real place, sometimes abandoned but just as often inhabited by Mer-people. Moreover, Plato learned of Dartz, a king of Atlantis, and that in the YuGiOh! world Timaeus and Critias were legendary knights. Plato is interested in meeting these Atlanteans someday but hasn't found time in his schedule yet.
** During his lifetime, Plato abhorred the written word, as he believed that reading books was an inferior method of gaining knowledge compared to talking with actual experts. That is why when he had to write something of his own, he wrote dialogues that better fit his ideal form of learning. However, at this point, he acknowledges that writing has won over oration many times and that it was beneficial as a whole for human society to preserve knowledge through text. The greatest example of this was the bard [[Pantheon/TheatreAndSpectacle William Shakespeare]], whose written plays have become famous throughout space and time. However, he is intrigued by technologies such as video and BrainUploading which could teach in a more preferable, "organic" way.
* Exclusive to Aristotle
** After studying at the Platonic Academy in his youth, Aristotle became the teacher of Alexander the Great and accompanied him on his conquests. However, the two experienced a schism over Alexander's treatment of his Persian territories, as Aristotle believed that his method of "conquering through friendship" was no way to build a lasting state and that he should prioritize Greeks over Persians. After Alexander died, his empire fell apart very quickly, validating Aristotle's perspective. However, in the more idealistic Pantheon Alexander's attitude seems to be to his benefit, and Aristotle felt that he may have been a little too harsh and close-minded back then. When Aristotle finally ascended to the Pantheon, he visited his old pupil. Luckily, the two have made amends, and if the philosopher was not in the Ionian Hertanoi before, he is now.
*** As the first ascended deity in the Pantheon to know Aristotle when he was alive, Aristotle can't help but notice that something is....a little ''off'' with Alexander compared to how he remembered him. He has concluded that the historical legend of "Alexander the Great" has influenced his form in the Pantheon and how he appears as a heroic spirit. However, it's hard to know for certain.
** Besides what people normally consider to be philosophy, Aristotle also studied "Natural Philosophy", laying the foundations of what would later become modern science in the fields of physics, psychology, biology, geology, and chemstry. However, ScienceMarchesOn and he has been proven wrong about an astounding number of subjects, not famously the nature of gravity and the heavenly Sphere model. This is partly because he did not do scientific experiments, instead gathering data from observations and then seeking out patterns. Part of the reason he has enrolled back into Elysium Academy is to catch up on millennia of scientific developments.
*** However, he found that in the world of [[Franchise/AvatarTheLastAirbender The Avatar]], the world really was split into four elements as Empedocles suggested, but not his fifth element of Aether. Additionally, the world's 10,000 year cycles fit closely with Empedocles's predictions about the cosmic struggle between the forces of "Love" (attraction between elements) and "strife"(attraction of like to like) as seen by Raava and Vaatu. To that end, he has offered to help aid the heroes of the Avatar world if the cosmic balance is ever at risk.
*** Besides the psychical world, Aristotle also studied the human mind and the meaning of dreams. This has caught the attention of Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud, who also studied human behavior in symbolic and qualitative terms. Aristotle is not sure about biological urges or the "collective unconscious" playing such a large role in the human mind, but finds their theories interesting regardless.
*** One of Aristotle's more influential theories is the Great Chain of Being, a cosmological ranking of all life and objects in the universe, which also influenced later Christian thought. Aristotle's version characterized living things based on their capabilities, with hot and wet characteristics (ex. warm-blooded) being above cold and dry characteristics (ex. cold rock). Humans, which had the ability to reason, were notably at the top of this classification. However, the existence of [[Main/TalkingAnimal talking animals]] and [[Main/SlidingScaleOfAnthropomorphism non-human humanoids]] has made Aristotle reconsider this entire model, as they clearly possess Rational Souls. Moreover, successors to his model influenced racist scientific theories that justified colonialism, which has led to a lot of blowback in modern times. Adam Taurus despises Aristotle for making this model, as he believes that it puts the beast-like Faunus below humans. Aristotle has had to apply for a restraining order against the Faunus supremacist.
** As noted earlier, Aristotle wrote [[Literature/{{Poetics}} the earliest recorded literary analysis]], in which he wrote about plays. Nowadays, he is working on expanding his analysis to account for the new forms of media that have developed over the ages, starting with the House of Theater. His reviews of plays are popular online and in newspapers, but his dry writing style turns some readers away.
** Instead of matching a specific Form of behavior like Plato believed, Aristotle's virtue theory is based on trying to find the "golden mean" between two extreme vices: for example, the virtue of courage is between a vice of deficiency(cowardliness) and a vice of excess(foolhardiness). This virtue theory would later be incorporated into later moral systems, especially in Christian and Islamic Theology. This has led to Aristotle having a surprisingly religious audience, such as [[Pantheon/{{Leadership}} Saint Jeanne d'Arc]]. She may not be able to read books very well, but listening to Aristotle's lectures is informative and surprisingly enjoyable.
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[[folder: Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle]]
'''Creator/{{Socrates}}, Creator/{{Plato}}, and Creator/{{Aristotle}}, the Divine Trio of [[ThePhilosopher Philosophers]]''' (Socrates: Gadfly, [[spoiler: [[VisualNovel/SocratesJonesProPhilosopher The Arbiter]]]]; Plato: Aristocles, Grappler; Aristotle: The Philosopher)
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[[caption-width-right:891:Socrates, right before drinking the Hemlock juice. ''The Death of Socrates'' by Jacques-Louis David, 1787]]
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* Demigods, Greater Gods in Authority ([[spoiler: Socrates is a Greater God as the Arbiter]])
* Symbol: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Socrate_du_Louvre.jpg His Head]] (Socrates), [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy_of_the_divided_line#/media/File:DividedLine.svg The Divided Line]] (Plato), The original cover of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomachean_Ethics Nicomachean Ethics]] (Aristotle)
* Alignments: TrueNeutral (Socrates), LawfulNeutral (Aristotle, Plato)
* Profile: '''The Three Quintessential Western [[ThePhilosopher Philosophers]]''', [[UsefulNotes/AncientGreece ancient]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Athens}} Athenians]], [[MasterApprenticeChain Chain of Teachers and Students]], [[DemocracyIsBad Criticized "Democracy"]], [[ArchEnemy Hated the Sophists]], [[ValuesDissonance Different values form modern times]] [[LanguageDrift but also misinterpreted]]
** Socrates: EccentricMentor, TheGadfly, CommanderContrarian, TheCynic, BarefootSage, [[WorkingClassHero Stonecutter Dayjob]], [[ArmorPiercingQuestion The Socratic]] [[ObfuscatingStupidity Method]], [[GeniusBruiser Peloponnesian War Vet]], [[DyingMomentOfAwesome Died for His Beliefs]], [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight saved Leon of Salamis from the Thirty Tyrants]], [[KnowNothingKnowItAll Knows]] [[InvertedTrope he knows nothing]], [[ILoveYouBecauseICantControlYou Loved his Fiesty Wife]], [[TeacherStudentRomance very close with Plato]]
** Plato: [[BlueBlood Aristocratic background]], [[GoodFeelsGood Eudymonia]], [[GeniusBruiser broad-shouldered wrestler]], TheTreacheryOfImages, [[VirtueViceCodification Founder of Virtue Theory]], [[GoodRepublicEvilEmpire Hated Tyranny]], [[TheseusShipParadox The Ship of Theseus]] and [[LogicBomb other Pradoxes]], [[PlatonicCave The Cave]] [[PhilosophicalParable and other parables]], [[NewMediaAreEvil Didn't like Reading]], [[SpeechCentricWork Wrote Dialogues instead of Essays]], [[WordOfSaintPaul used Socrates to express his views in dialogues]], [[AuthorTract went a little heavy in later dialogues]]
** Aristotle: [[PrivateTutor Alexander the Great's Private Tutor]], [[BeigeProse concise writer]], [[ContemplateOurNavels Philosophy as part of the good life]], ForHappiness, [[HeManWomanHater thought Women were inferior to Men]] but with caveats, observed the ChickenAndEggParadox, [[PlatoIsAMoron disagreed with Plato's theory of forms]], [[TakeAThirdOption accepted some rhetoric, but still below truth]], [[OmnidisciplinaryScientist the father of many sciences]] [[ScienceMarchesOn but eventually discredited in many]], '''[[WroteTheBook The Earliest Recorded Troper]]'''
* Domains: Philosophy, Dialogue, Paradoxes, Ethics, Politics, [[spoiler: The Afterlife]]
* High Priest: Creator/ThomasAquinas
* Allies: [[Pantheon/WritingTechniques Niccolò Machiavelli]], [[Pantheon/OrganizationsProfiles The Alliance of Free Stars (specifically Chmmr)]], [[Pantheon/OutlooksOnLife John Keating]], [[Pantheon/AnalysisAndRecords Byleth]], [[Pantheon/{{School}} Eikichi Onizuka ]], [[Pantheon/CombatClothing Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad]], [[Pantheon/RacialAppearances Kassanda]], [[Pantheon/AirBasedTravel Norrin Radd/Silver Surfer]], [[Pantheon/FightingCombos Atreus]]
** Socrates: [[Pantheon/CharacterRoles Maud Pie]], [[spoiler: [[Pantheon/AfterlifeEntities Ereshkigal]], [[Pantheon/MaleAppearances Osiris]], [[Pantheon/ReasonsForDeath Izanami]], [[Pantheon/LawAndJustice Eiki Shiki]], and other afterlife entities]]
** Plato: [[Pantheon/{{Philosophy}} Aslan]]
** Aristotle: [[Franchise/AvatarTheLastAirbender The good Avatar deities]], [[Pantheon/{{Leadership}} Saint Jeanne d'Arc]]
* Enemies: [[Pantheon/{{Ambiguity}} Lucifer(SMT)]], [[Pantheon/ReligionAndFaith YHVH]]
** Plato: [[Pantheon/TyrannicalFigures Sauron]]
** Aristotle: [[Pantheon/WeaponPlacement Adam Taurus]], [[Pantheon/ComplexSymbolism Vaatu]]
* Have conversed with: [[Pantheon/{{Colours}} Char Azamble]], [[Pantheon/{{Ambiguity}} Lucifer(SMT)]] (Socrates)
* Neutral Terms with: [[Pantheon/{{Sinners}} Kratos]]
* Interested in: Atlanteans(ex.[[Pantheon/MetalAndMinerals Dartz]], [[Pantheon/FantasticRaces Aquaman]]) (Plato), [[Pantheon/{{Characterization}} Carl Jung]], [[Pantheon/LoveOther Sigmund Freud]]
* Special Relationship: [[Pantheon/MilitaryAndWarfare Alexander the Great]] (Aristotle)
* Once Upon a Time in Ancient Greece, a man from Athens approached the Oracle of Delphi. The man asked the oracle if there was anyone wiser than his friend, and the Oracle replied that it was true. When the man, Chaerephon, then told this to his friend, the friend was skeptical and proceeded to try to find people who might be wiser than him: politicians, craftsmen, and poets. But no matter who he talked to, he always found them lacking and eventually conceded that even though he knew nothing, unlike these experts he knew that he knew nothing. The name of this friend was Socrates and his method of interrogating one's beliefs and asking questions no matter the subject laid the foundation for Western Philosophy. During his rounds of questioning people in the city, he acquired a group of people who followed him and eventually became his students. Eventually, Socrates asked the wrong people the wrong questions and was tried and convicted by a jury for charges of corrupting the youth and blasphemy against the gods. Instead of running away or resisting, he accepted his death sentence and drank a cup of poisonous hemlock.
** His student Plato would continue his legacy, moving from questioning others to trying to find the answers. Plato believed that the true nature of things lay in forms: immaterial, timeless essences of things, with the Form of The Good at the very top; the physical world is merely composed of imperfect versions of these forms. He believed that trying to better match these forms could lead to better lives and happier societies, and so sought to find them with the power of reason. Part of this journey was the Dialogues, where Plato wrote out his ideas in the form of how Socrates debated people in years past. He also founded The Platonic Academy, a place for personal and intellectual development. It was once said that "All Philosophy is but a footnote to Plato".
** One of Plato's students, Aristotle, agreed with his teacher on certain things like the importance of virtue but disagreed about the Theory of Forms: Aristotle believed that the physical form of a thing was intrinsic to its nature, and so sought to study the physical world of empiricism instead of Plato's idealistic realm of forms. Later, King Philip II of Macedonia asked Aristotle to tutor his son, who would become known as Alexander the Great. Aristotle encouraged Alexander's desire for conquest, but they broke apart due to their disagreements over Alenxander's belief in "ruling by friendship", believing he should put a tighter Yoke on the Persians. After Alexander died and his empire fell apart, Aristotle returned to Athens, established his own school of philosophy in the Lyceum, and penned his most well-known works. The books (or to be more accurate, lecture notes), established everything the Western world believed from medicine to ethics to logic to almost everything in between.
* It was a confusing time in the Pantheon: trickers and trolls from the House of Mentalism had decided to target the House of Knowledge, switching books and creating misleading theories. In the chaos, a librarian gave a wish to the heavens: "please, send help against deceivers!" In a moment, three figures walked out of the dust. Those in the know knew they were saved, for the three great philosophers had come to the Pantheon.
** Before his fateful death, Socrates wondered what the afterlife was like: would he be able to meet with the heroes of old, or would there be nothing, and thus freedom from earthly worries? it turns out the latter was true, and Socrates is committed to becoming a "social Gadfly" once again to promote virtue in the Pantheon. [[spoiler: This is only half of the truth. In reality, Socrates was sent to the Intelligible Realm, the afterlife of philosophers. After convincing the past Arbiter of the truth of morality, he became the new Arbiter, the administrator of the realm. However, he later realized that his answer was actually wrong, and waited for someone who would find the true answer. After Socrates Jones put forward an argument that the truth of morality may exist but be unreachable, Socrates was convinced by other Underworld leaders such as Ereshkigal to come to the pantheon in order to help bolster stability. He brought Plato and Aristotle to help him manage his new position]].
** Plato is ecstatic to be in the Pantheon, as a world of Tropes may be closer to the world of forms he seeks. He's currently trying to figure out why the Pantheon came to be and what its true nature is, but with reason instead of scientific testing.
** Aristotle is no stranger to tropes, as his book Literature/Poetics is the earliest surviving work of dramatic theory and the first philosophical writing on literary theory. This technically makes him the earliest known troper, which some suspect gives him authority rivaling that of Gygax and Arneson. However, if he does have this power, he has yet to use it openly.
* Socrates is well known not for providing answers, but for asking deep questions. However, Socrates in Plato's later dialogues does have concrete opinions and positions on topics, as Plato was expressing his opinions through Socrates. The question on whether these dialogues reflected the "real" Socrates, and how other accounts of him seem to be contradictory is known as [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_problem the Socratic Problem]], and it is one that scholars in the Pantheon still discuss. It is currently unknown if Plato's writings influenced how Socrates appears in the Pantheon, but observers have noticed that the different accounts given by his students seem to all be at least partially true, and Socrates has yet to say any concrete philosophical opinions in his Pantheonic dialogues.
* As leaders of the House of Philosophy, the three have taken it upon themselves to help the field of philosophy flourish throughout the pantheon, whether it be individual thinks such as Machiavelli or whole races which as the Chmmr of the Alliance of Free Stars.
** Speaking of aliens, the non-human races in the Pantheon present a unique opportunity to engage with an even wider field of views than the philosophers ever thought possible. To that end, they often engage with conversation partners who are just as enthusiastic about philosophy as they are, such as the Silver Surfer, who is part of a ProudScholarRace.
** As a Spartan, Kratos does not fully trust the Athenian philosophers, believing that wisdom comes from one's actions instead of their words. On the other hand, Atreus is fascinated by their teachings, so his father begrudgingly lets him listen in on their lectures. The trio respects Kratos's redemption and love for his son, but also recognizes that he still has a long road to walk in order to become the great god and king he is destined to be.
* Despite being generally lawful or neutral, the three philosophers are ardent allies of the [[Pantheon/AssassinsCreed Order of Assassins]], an organization with the explicit goal of fighting for freedom above all else. The answer why is a bit complicated: Kassanda, an ancient greek predecessor of the Assassin Order and [[spoiler: daughter of Socrates's contemporary Pythagoras]] personally knew Socrates and a young Plato. Socrates and Plato likewise treat Kassandra like family, and are always willing to help her and her successors. It helps that Assassins such as Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad are avid philosophers themselves and their company makes for great conversation.
* While the first Western philosopher is usually identified as Thales, these 3 are considered the forefathers of Western philosophy, laying the groundwork for the millennia of thought to follow. However, time moves on, and the Pantheon is nearly unrecognizable to the world in which they once lived, it is time for them to decide what parts of their philosophies hold up in the modern day and which ones do not.
** Many of the things that these philosophers have said are suspect, if not offensive today. These things include accepting the existence of slavery as a natural fact and justifying it(mainly Aristotle), believing that men were superior to women(again, Aristotle), holding some beings as more significant than others in the Great Chain of Being (Aristotle ''and'' Plato), and holding a Greek-centric worldview(pretty common in the ancient world). While the three men are still respected as great thinkers, that respect nowadays comes with a squint and a raised eyebrow.
*** On the other hand, it would be incomplete to say that they were completely misogynistic even during their mortal lives. Socrates dearly loved his first wife Xanthippe (although some sources say that he actually married Myrto or cheated on one them with Alcibiades) ''because'' of her feisty attitude; Plato advocated for women's education; and even though Aristotle didn't like how Sparta treated men and women with the same rules for a while (as he thought men were naturally active and women passive), he still argued that the happiness of women should be taken in equal regard.
** However, one of these views that may have been twisted throughout the ages was their consistent criticism of "Democracy". However, this is an issue of language drift: to them, the term "Democracy" did not refer to voting or representative democracy but a general rule by the people. While the three philosophers had their differences on what the ideal society should be, they all agreed that uncritically giving power to the majority of people is a degenerate (bad) form of government; democracy is characterized not by how the government works, but by the people ignoring the rule of law in favor of their own desires and are likely to bring tyrants into power. While they generally favor an aristocracy (rule by the most virtuous), they are not opposed by a properly organized and benevolent system based on voting and representation (what Aristotle calls a ''Polity''). It is because they oppose this degenerate form that they are enemies of Lucifer, who wants the entire world to be ruled by personal whims and desires. When the demon lord heard that the three philosophers opposed him, he simply smirked and said, "interesting".
** On the other hand, they're not exactly a big fan of tyrants and dictators. Socrates personally disobeyed the Thirty Tyrants of Athens, although not as much as others would have, while Plato absolutely abhorred them when he was young. Plato later went on to try to depose the despot Dionysius I of Syracuse, but did not succeed. Aristotle say tyranny as the perverted form of Royalty/monarchy, and personally believed that the Polity was the superior form of government over even Aristocracy or Monarchy. It is for this reason that the three also consider YHVH an enemy, as the mad god not only imposes oppressive rule on the people but is known to bend to rules for his benefit. For this reason, the three refused to have any sort of association with the [[Pantheon/GrandUnitedAllianceOfLaw GUAL]] until it was reformed into its more "rational" form.
** Despite being well-known philosophers, Socrates and Plato are not very well-versed in formal logic. This is because the concept wasn't really invented yet (Aristotle invented Term Logic), but also because they despised the Sophists, who they saw as prioritizing winning arguments over actual truth. After [[spoiler: Socrates Jones beat Socrates]], the three saw that they needed to learn modern logic.
** While the philosophers are currently attending school, they intend to eventually teach philosophy at Elysium Academy as soon as they get the proper credentials, as a continuation of their teaching work during their mortal lives. For that reason, they have become well-acquainted with current teachers such as Byleth Eisner, John Keating, and Eikichi Onizuka.
** One of the oft-debated arguments over Socrates was whether he was purely heterosexual or had a younger male lover in either Alcibiades or Plato, which would be called Pedastry (a form of Child Sex Abuse) nowadays. There is also the matter that Plato wrote Socrates as being approving of Pedastry, while Xenophon wrote him as against it. As far as researchers understand, the Socrates in the Pantheon was completely loyal to his wives, but Plato may have written [[HotTeacher his attraction to his teacher]] into his Dialogues. For understandable reasons, no one is eager to dig any further, and the LGBT deities in the Pantheon do not consider Socrates or Plato to be one of their own. Whatever the case, it can at least be assured that none of the three are ''currently'' doing anything with young boys.
* Exclusive to Socrates
** Despite being qualified to run for office in ancient Athens, he never did so, instead preferring to help his city by "improving" its inhabitants directly, talking and debating with them one at a time in the city's main square. Is is these dialogues that made him so revered, and as a citizen of the pantheon he intends to continue his work. After all, many people in the Pantheon believe that they have figured out life's great truths, and Socrates wants to know if they are correct:
*** Char Azamble advocates for his father's philosophy of Contolism, which believes that humanity sEarth leave earth and move towardtoin order to evolve into psychic beings. Socrates asked why [[AppealToNovelty evolving psychic communication would be inherently beneficial]], or why humans in space would have the right or authority to decide what the humans on earth on do if they declare themselves independent. Char did not have answer to these questions. Plato wonders if Contolism is really a philosophy at all, as it says nothing about ethics, the state, reality, or anything that would instead be called science in the modern world.
*** The Demon Lord Lucifer, a great leader of the Pantheon's Chaos Faction, believes in a fully individualistic world where everyone was only beholden to their own desires. Instead of giving a direct counter-argument, Socrates instead posited a scenario where a person has access to an endless supply of drugs. They can do anything they want in the world and cannot be stopped, although they are obviously compelled to always take more drugs by their addiction. The addict is technically free as people would be in an ideal world of chaos, yet this person is a slave to their desires. When Socrates asked Lucifer if such a person is free, Lucifer said that they would be. As they were both in the House of Crime, Socrates led Lucifer to an alleyway where a disheveled addict, obviously undergoing withdrawal symptoms, fought with another addict over a blanket. Lucifer did not say anymore.
** Socrates's day job is not that of a philosopher, but instead a stonecutter as he refuses to make any money off of teaching philosophy. One day, while doing his work in the House of Craft he was approached by the stoic pony Maud Pie, who started a long conversation about rocks. The two have entered into a deal: Socrates helps her find and shape cool rocks, and she sometimes listens to him debate philosophy.
** Socrates was tried, convicted, and executed for two crimes: corrupting the youth and Asebeia(impiety, mockery of the divine), as his accusers believed that he was spreading atheism among his students. This is seen best in his debate with Euthyphro. However, is it unknown whether he is actually an atheist or merely an inquisitive believer, or perhaps [[NayTheist believes the gods exist but does not worship them in the traditional sense]]. Athena, the patron deity of Athens and the goddess of wisdom, has said that the trio's temple sends sacrifices to her, but is is unknown if Socrates contributes to them. Given that no one really cares to dive into his private life, the mystery is fated to remain so for a long time.
** [[spoiler: When he is not teaching philosophy or cutting stone, Socrates serves the Arbiter, the ruler of the intelligible realm, the afterlife of Philosophers. Because philosophers and rational beings, the work is relatively easy, but his inexperience with management sometimes requires him to call for more experienced underworld managers such as Ereshkigal. After the two became friends, the goddess has connected him to the [[VideoGame/FateGrandOrder Chaldea Security Organization]], but it is unknown if and when he will be summoned as a servant.]]
* Exclusive to Plato
** As an extension of his virtue theory and the theory of Forms, Plato naturally tried to figure out what the "ideal society" should be. His answer was quite unconventional: a society divided into three classes: workers/farmers who made goods, warriors who kept the public order and protected the city from outside threats, and philosophers kings drawn from the best of the warrior class that ruled with wisdom. Each class had their own privileges and responsibilities: only the warriors and philosopher kings were provided an education, but only commoners were raised with their birth families and could own property. Before you ask, he had no knowledge of the Hindu caste system. Plato thought that giving people specific jobs would help keep balance, but more modern deities questions how Plato didn't see how this could obviously lead to a [[Literature/{{Divergent}} dystopia]]. Furthermore, Plato endorsed the elites of scoeity telling everyone else the "Noble Lie" to maintain social harmony that everyone is born with different kinds of souls that are fit for different positions. Naturally, this is opposed by those who oppose stratified societies and those who care about the [[Main/InformationWantsToBeFree freedom of information]].
** One of the lesser-known parts of Plato's was his entanglement with the rulers of the City of Syracuse. Long story short, he tried multiple times to influence the city's heirs and kings to be wise philosopher kings, but they rejected him and his teachings to become tyrants, the last one even putting him into slavery. He was bought out by a friend, but the expense has still shaped an otherwise elitist man to be against slavery in every form and very sympathetic to slaves.
** "Plato" is not his birth name; [[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname it is a nickname that refers to his wide shoulders]], and his real name is Aristocles. Why does everyone call him Plato? It was given to him by his wrestling coach, Ariston of Argos, because of his broad chest and shoulders; the Greek word platýs means "broad". Plato was quite good at wrestling, perhaps even participating in the Isthmian Games. This is why he has been categorized as the class grappler in Holy Grail Wars. In the pantheon, Plato has considered joining the Pantheon's professional wrestling circuit, but only after he becomes accustomed first.
** One of Plato's less well-known characteristics was his love of jewelry: when he was young he was known for wearing rings and earrings and was even called decadent for it by Sextus Empiricus. Perhaps out of an after-life crisis, he's started a habit of visiting the [[Pantheon/GemsAndJewellery Hall of Gems and Jewlery]], where he sometimes buys items from Olivia's store.
*** Speaking of rings, one of Plato's most famous dialogues was one in Literature/TheRepublic where Socrates debated with Plato's older brother Glaucon on the nature of justice. Glaucon famously came up with a story in which the farmer Gyges discovered a ring that allowed him to turn invincible, thereby holding him unaccountable to the consequences of his actions. He used this power to seduce the queen of his city, kill the king, and then become the new thing. Plato was surprised to learn that his brother's tale was surprisingly accurate and that a ring that turns individuals invisible while also corrupting them with power was a [[Franchise/TolkiensLegendarium real object]], crafted by the called Maiar Sauron. After learning about this, Plato instantly became an enemy of the Dark Lord for creating and using such an evil object.
** In the Dialogues ''Timaeus'' and ''Critias'', Plato went outside of his comfort zone a bit and created two pseudohistorical characters named, well, Timaeus and Critias, as well as creating the fictional island of Atlantis, which was once in favor with Posideon and tried to invade Athens but sank due to hubris of its inhabitants. Plato was surprised to learn that in many worlds Atlantis is not a metaphor for philosophical lessons but a real place, sometimes abandoned but just as often inhabited by Mer-people. Moreover, Plato learned of Dartz, a king of Atlantis, and that in the YuGiOh! world Timaeus and Critias were legendary knights. Plato is interested in meeting these Atlanteans someday but hasn't found time in his schedule yet.
** During his lifetime, Plato abhorred the written word, as he believed that reading books was an inferior method of gaining knowledge compared to talking with actual experts. That is why when he had to write something of his own, he wrote dialogues that better fit his ideal form of learning. However, at this point, he acknowledges that writing has won over oration many times and that it was beneficial as a whole for human society to preserve knowledge through text. The greatest example of this was the bard [[Pantheon/TheatreAndSpectacle William Shakespeare]], whose written plays have become famous throughout space and time. However, he is intrigued by technologies such as video and BrainUploading which could teach in a more preferable, "organic" way.
* Exclusive to Aristotle
** After studying at the Platonic Academy in his youth, Aristotle became the teacher of Alexander the Great and accompanied him on his conquests. However, the two experienced a schism over Alexander's treatment of his Persian territories, as Aristotle believed that his method of "conquering through friendship" was no way to build a lasting state and that he should prioritize Greeks over Persians. After Alexander died, his empire fell apart very quickly, validating Aristotle's perspective. However, in the more idealistic Pantheon Alexander's attitude seems to be to his benefit, and Aristotle felt that he may have been a little too harsh and close-minded back then. When Aristotle finally ascended to the Pantheon, he visited his old pupil. Luckily, the two have made amends, and if the philosopher was not in the Ionian Hertanoi before, he is now.
*** As the first ascended deity in the Pantheon to know Aristotle when he was alive, Aristotle can't help but notice that something is....a little ''off'' with Alexander compared to how he remembered him. He has concluded that the historical legend of "Alexander the Great" has influenced his form in the Pantheon and how he appears as a heroic spirit. However, it's hard to know for certain.
** Besides what people normally consider to be philosophy, Aristotle also studied "Natural Philosophy", laying the foundations of what would later become modern science in the fields of physics, psychology, biology, geology, and chemstry. However, ScienceMarchesOn and he has been proven wrong about an astounding number of subjects, not famously the nature of gravity and the heavenly Sphere model. This is partly because he did not do scientific experiments, instead gathering data from observations and then seeking out patterns. Part of the reason he has enrolled back into Elysium Academy is to catch up on millennia of scientific developments.
*** However, he found that in the world of [[Franchise/AvatarTheLastAirbender The Avatar]], the world really was split into four elements as Empedocles suggested, but not his fifth element of Aether. Additionally, the world's 10,000 year cycles fit closely with Empedocles's predictions about the cosmic struggle between the forces of "Love" (attraction between elements) and "strife"(attraction of like to like) as seen by Raava and Vaatu. To that end, he has offered to help aid the heroes of the Avatar world if the cosmic balance is ever at risk.
*** Besides the psychical world, Aristotle also studied the human mind and the meaning of dreams. This has caught the attention of Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud, who also studied human behavior in symbolic and qualitative terms. Aristotle is not sure about biological urges or the "collective unconscious" playing such a large role in the human mind, but finds their theories interesting regardless.
*** One of Aristotle's more influential theories is the Great Chain of Being, a cosmological ranking of all life and objects in the universe, which also influenced later Christian thought. Aristotle's version characterized living things based on their capabilities, with hot and wet characteristics (ex. warm-blooded) being above cold and dry characteristics (ex. cold rock). Humans, which had the ability to reason, were notably at the top of this classification. However, the existence of [[Main/TalkingAnimal talking animals]] and [[Main/SlidingScaleOfAnthropomorphism non-human humanoids]] has made Aristotle reconsider this entire model, as they clearly possess Rational Souls. Moreover, successors to his model influenced racist scientific theories that justified colonialism, which has led to a lot of blowback in modern times. Adam Taurus despises Aristotle for making this model, as he believes that it puts the beast-like Faunus below humans. Aristotle has had to apply for a restraining order against the Faunus supremacist.
** As noted earlier, Aristotle wrote [[Literature/{{Poetics}} the earliest recorded literary analysis]], in which he wrote about plays. Nowadays, he is working on expanding his analysis to account for the new forms of media that have developed over the ages, starting with the House of Theater. His reviews of plays are popular online and in newspapers, but his dry writing style turns some readers away.
** Instead of matching a specific Form of behavior like Plato believed, Aristotle's virtue theory is based on trying to find the "golden mean" between two extreme vices: for example, the virtue of courage is between a vice of deficiency(cowardliness) and a vice of excess(foolhardiness). This virtue theory would later be incorporated into later moral systems, especially in Christian and Islamic Theology. This has led to Aristotle having a surprisingly religious audience, such as [[Pantheon/{{Leadership}} Saint Jeanne d'Arc]]. She may not be able to read books very well, but listening to Aristotle's lectures is informative and surprisingly enjoyable.
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** The Daughter: All Good Members of the House of Pantheon/LightAndBrightness and [[WhiteMagic Masters of Light]], all ascended [[Pantheon/StarWars Jedi]] (especially [[Pantheon/IntellectualArchetypes Obi-Wan [[Pantheon/LegacyAndInfluence Obi-Wan]] and [[Pantheon/{{Successors}} Ahsoka Tano]]), [[Pantheon/{{Heroism}} Cosmos]] and the Pantheon/{{GUAG}}, All Good [[Pantheon/KingdomHearts Keyblade Wielders]]
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** The Son: All Evil Members of the House of Pantheon/DarknessAndShadow and [[BlackMagic Masters of Darkness]], [[Pantheon/GoodAndEvilColors [[Pantheon/WeaponWielding Darth Maul]], [[Pantheon/{{Villainy}} Melkor]] and The Pantheon/{{GUAE}}, [[Pantheon/{{Otherness}} The Heartless]], [[Pantheon/RevealsAndTwists Ansem, Seeker of Darkness]]
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** The Father: [[Pantheon/{{Wardening}} The Living Tribunal]], [[Pantheon/RealAndLegendaryPastiches Qui-Gon ]][[Pantheon/PhysicalAppearance Qui-Gon]] [[Pantheon/PhysicalAppearance Jinn]], [[Pantheon/IdentityIssues Revan]], [[Pantheon/NamingConvention [[Pantheon/NamingIdentification Yen Sid]]
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** Other Allies: [[Pantheon/BladedWeapons Poseidon]], [[Pantheon/HeroicAppearances Madlax]], [[Pantheon/MagicAndSorcery Usagi Tsukino/Sailor Moon]], [[Pantheon/{{Heroism}} Steve Rogers/Captain America]], [[Pantheon/OtherPowers Miles Morales]], [[Pantheon/WaterAndMoisture Percy Jackson]], [[Pantheon/{{Weather}} Ororo Monroe/Storm]], [[Pantheon/PowerAndAbilities Hercules]], [[Pantheon/{{Workmanship}} Vulcan]], [[Pantheon/{{Personality}} Applejack]], [[Pantheon/PositiveReaction Peggy Carter]], [[Pantheon/{{Personality}} James T. Kirk]], [[Pantheon/BladedWeapons Pyrrha Nikos]], [[Pantheon/MilitaryAndWarfare Adepta Sororitas]], [[Pantheon/MaleAndFemaleTraits Annabeth Chase]], [[Pantheon/NormalCombat Chun-Li]], [[Pantheon/GenderSexMiscellaneous Samus Aran]], [[Pantheon/{{Hunters}} Buffy Summers]], [[Pantheon/TheatricProduction Pit]], [[Pantheon/ReligionAndFaith Palutena]], [[Pantheon/ReligiousPractice Lightning Farron]], [[Pantheon/EyeAppearances Turanga Leela]], [[Pantheon/BodyParts Powerpuff Girls]], [[Pantheon/InfluentialFigures Carol Denvers, Kamala Kahn]], [[Pantheon/{{Mothers}} Sophitia Alexandra]], [[Pantheon/HairStyles Leina Vance]], [[Pantheon/RealAndLegendaryPastiches Jeanne d'Arc]], [[Pantheon/{{Romance}} Shelyn]], [[Pantheon/LoveOther Lisa and Ally]], [[Pantheon/{{Passion}} Bell Cranel]], [[Pantheon/MonsterTypes Centorea Shianus]], [[Pantheon/HeroicRoles Steven Universe]], [[Pantheon/{{Romance}} Gar]][[Pantheon/CombinedForms net]], [[Pantheon/{{Tastes}} Amethyst]], [[Pantheon/GuardiansAndProtectors Pearl]], [[Pantheon/FamilyDynamics Greg Universe]], [[Pantheon/BetrayalMotivation Peridot]], [[Pantheon/CharacterRoles Connie Maheswaran]], [[Pantheon/HybridBeings Ichigo Kurosaki]], [[Pantheon/MannersOfAuthority Lin Beifong]], [[Pantheon/PowerArchetypes Anna Marie/Rogue]]
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** Other Allies: [[Pantheon/BladedWeapons Poseidon]], [[Pantheon/HeroicAppearances Madlax]], [[Pantheon/MagicAndSorcery Usagi Tsukino/Sailor Moon]], [[Pantheon/{{Heroism}} Steve Rogers/Captain America]], [[Pantheon/OtherPowers Miles Morales]], [[Pantheon/WaterAndMoisture Percy Jackson]], [[Pantheon/{{Weather}} Ororo Monroe/Storm]], [[Pantheon/PowerAndAbilities Hercules]], [[Pantheon/{{Workmanship}} Vulcan]], [[Pantheon/{{Personality}} [[Pantheon/SpecializedNarratives Applejack]], [[Pantheon/PositiveReaction Peggy Carter]], [[Pantheon/{{Personality}} James T. Kirk]], [[Pantheon/BladedWeapons Pyrrha Nikos]], [[Pantheon/MilitaryAndWarfare Adepta Sororitas]], [[Pantheon/MaleAndFemaleTraits Annabeth Chase]], [[Pantheon/NormalCombat Chun-Li]], [[Pantheon/GenderSexMiscellaneous Samus Aran]], [[Pantheon/{{Hunters}} Buffy Summers]], [[Pantheon/TheatricProduction Pit]], [[Pantheon/ReligionAndFaith Palutena]], [[Pantheon/ReligiousPractice Lightning Farron]], [[Pantheon/EyeAppearances Turanga Leela]], [[Pantheon/BodyParts Powerpuff Girls]], [[Pantheon/InfluentialFigures Carol Denvers, Kamala Kahn]], [[Pantheon/{{Mothers}} Sophitia Alexandra]], [[Pantheon/HairStyles Leina Vance]], [[Pantheon/RealAndLegendaryPastiches Jeanne d'Arc]], [[Pantheon/{{Romance}} Shelyn]], [[Pantheon/LoveOther Lisa and Ally]], [[Pantheon/{{Passion}} Bell Cranel]], [[Pantheon/MonsterTypes Centorea Shianus]], [[Pantheon/HeroicRoles Steven Universe]], [[Pantheon/{{Romance}} Gar]][[Pantheon/CombinedForms net]], [[Pantheon/{{Tastes}} Amethyst]], [[Pantheon/GuardiansAndProtectors Pearl]], [[Pantheon/FamilyDynamics Greg Universe]], [[Pantheon/BetrayalMotivation Peridot]], [[Pantheon/CharacterRoles Connie Maheswaran]], [[Pantheon/HybridBeings Ichigo Kurosaki]], [[Pantheon/MannersOfAuthority Lin Beifong]], [[Pantheon/PowerArchetypes Anna Marie/Rogue]]
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* Portfolio: {{Action Girl}}s, [[AllLovingHero All-Loving Heroines]], BoobsOfSteel, [[OneManArmy Being the Army of One Woman]], Being MoreDeadlyThanTheMale and [[AvertedTrope Lacking a]] [[ThouShallNotKill No-Kill Policy]], [[TheSocialExpert Social Experts]], LeotardOfPower, GoodIsNotSoft, Being a FriendToAllLivingThings, {{Ambadassador}}s, {{Lightning Bruiser}}s, {{Amazonian Beaut|y}}ies, {{Statuesque Stunner}}s, [[BadLiar Being Bad at Lying]], LivingLieDetector
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* Portfolio: {{Action Girl}}s, [[AllLovingHero All-Loving Heroines]], BoobsOfSteel, [[OneManArmy Being the Army of One Woman]], Being MoreDeadlyThanTheMale and [[AvertedTrope Lacking a]] [[ThouShallNotKill No-Kill Policy]], [[TheSocialExpert Social Experts]], LeotardOfPower, GoodIsNotSoft, Being a FriendToAllLivingThings, {{Ambadassador}}s, {{Lightning Bruiser}}s, {{Amazonian Beaut|y}}ies, {{Statuesque Stunner}}s, [[BadLiar Being Bad at Lying]], LivingLieDetector
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** [[BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil Representing the Balance]] in TheForce is The Father, the patriarch of the Force Wielding family. As one may expect, he is a being of [[PhysicalGod immense power]] who prefers to take a [[AllPowerfulBystander neutral stance]]. Expect in the case of [[ApocalypseHow total universal annihilation]], where he himself will personally intervene. This is actually the reason why he imprisoned himself and his family on Mortis, so his son and daughter don't accidentally destroy the universe fighting each other. Not so much that they'll cause a war expending the galaxy, but that they don't accidentally tear all of reality apart in a direct fight. This is why ''he's'' being imprisoned as well, because he has the [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking literal power to stop them]]. If the rumors are true, then the origins of The Father are that he was originally a Celestial by the name of Elegast. He would later become what is known as The Father, through a Force nexus that was known as "'''The Wellspring of Balance'''". Which would not only act as his source of power, but the source of his immortality/life, which was unfortunately destroyed in a fight between the Son and Daughter. If true, then this act explains why The Father would eventually die, seemly of old age after over a thousand millenniums later.
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** [[BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil Representing the Balance]] in TheForce is The Father, the patriarch of the Force Wielding family. As one may expect, he is a being of [[PhysicalGod immense power]] who prefers to take a [[AllPowerfulBystander neutral stance]]. Expect in the case of [[ApocalypseHow total universal annihilation]], where he himself will personally intervene. This is actually the reason why he imprisoned himself and his family on Mortis, so his son and daughter don't accidentally destroy the universe fighting each other. Not so much that they'll cause a war expending the galaxy, but that they don't accidentally tear all of reality apart in a direct fight. This is why ''he's'' being imprisoned as well, because he has the [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking literal power to stop them]].them. If the rumors are true, then the origins of The Father are that he was originally a Celestial by the name of Elegast. He would later become what is known as The Father, through a Force nexus that was known as "'''The Wellspring of Balance'''". Which would not only act as his source of power, but the source of his immortality/life, which was unfortunately destroyed in a fight between the Son and Daughter. If true, then this act explains why The Father would eventually die, seemly of old age after over a thousand millenniums later.
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* Diana once found out that she has a villainous equivalent self in an [[VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs alternate universe where Superman is a tyrant and reigns with an iron hand]]. However, Diana travelled to said universe and defeated her villainous Regime self and now she's training better to avoid becoming a villainess, especially upon hearing that said EvilCounterpart [[VideoGame/Injustice2 has only]] [[TheScrappy got worse]].
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* Diana once found out that she has a villainous equivalent self in an [[VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs alternate universe where Superman is a tyrant and reigns with an iron hand]]. However, Diana travelled to said universe and defeated her villainous Regime self and now she's training better to avoid becoming a villainess, especially upon hearing that said EvilCounterpart [[VideoGame/Injustice2 has only]] [[TheScrappy got gotten worse]].
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* Aslan has symphonized with [[Pantheon/DigitalPersonas Kevin Flynn]] and the unascended Literature/JohnCarter over their respective film franchises suffering GenreKiller and having planned sequels cancelled just because [[MoneyDearBoy the films didn't make enough money]]. In addition, [[Pantheon/{{Thieves}} Sly Cooper]] has stated that he's on the same boat since his franchise is unlikely to ever get sequels, and he's [[spoiler:stuck in Ancient Egypt]].
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* Aslan has symphonized with [[Pantheon/DigitalPersonas Kevin Flynn]] and the unascended Literature/JohnCarter Film/JohnCarter over their respective film franchises suffering GenreKiller and having planned sequels cancelled just because [[MoneyDearBoy the films didn't make enough money]]. In addition, [[Pantheon/{{Thieves}} Sly Cooper]] has stated that he's on the same boat since his franchise is unlikely to ever get sequels, and he's [[spoiler:stuck in Ancient Egypt]].
