Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Narm / GameOfThrones

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Maisie Williams confirmed that she did Arya's nude scene herself, meaning that apparently they decided to only show her face from the shoulders up in a rather awkward angle, exactly as if a double was being used, for no reason at all.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
deleting misuse


* Though it's thankfully never actually said in the show, Brother Ray's name is quite jarringly modern, and reminded many viewers of a certain [[Wrestling/TheDudleyBoys table-smashing pro wrestler]] more than a repentant pacifist. Then there's his shameless AsYouKnow where he seems to think [[spoiler:Sandor]] needs a refresher on that time he almost died.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
for pete's sake — again, how is this scene unintentionally funny? this entry did not correspond to the definition of narm


* Arya invokes MustNotDieAVirgin with Gendry before the Battle of Winterfell. While shipping for the two of them has been strong and they've been making eyes at each other the last two episodes, the scene is awkwardly segued into and very suddenly so. It's also rather conspicuous that they avoid showing too much of Maisie Williams' nude body when the show has never been shy about nudity before, even with its main cast.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Arya invokes MustNotDieAVirgin with Gendry before the Battle of Winterfell. While shipping for the two of them has strong and they've been making eyes at each other the last two episodes, the scene is awkwardly segued into and very suddenly so. It's also rather conspicuous that they avoid showing too much of Maisie Williams' nude body when the show has never been shy about nudity before, even with its main cast.

to:

* Arya invokes MustNotDieAVirgin with Gendry before the Battle of Winterfell. While shipping for the two of them has been strong and they've been making eyes at each other the last two episodes, the scene is awkwardly segued into and very suddenly so. It's also rather conspicuous that they avoid showing too much of Maisie Williams' nude body when the show has never been shy about nudity before, even with its main cast.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Cersei is weirdly obsessed with the elephants the Golden Company supposedly has but was unable to transport to Westeros, as if they were some kind of super-weapon bound to secure her the victory against an enemy who has ''dragons''. Since nowadays elephants are much more commonly associated with circuses or zoos than with combat, which is further helped by the recent ''[[Film/Dumbo2019 Dumbo]]'' movie release, this fixation of hers makes her look less like a powerful queen worried about the upcoming war and more like a little girl upset about missing her favorite cool animal.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Daenerys invokes King Torrhen's oath of fealty to Aegon the Conqueror in perpetuity, despite Aerys pretty much voiding it on his end, and when confronted with tries to make peace with a mere apology before reasserting her demands, not to mention that the writers obviously felt they had to ''[[ViewersAreMorons spell out]]'' what "in perpetuity meant.
* The heavy use of KarmicDeath, which was epic when Arya did it (because [[TropesAreNotBad it fit with her character arc, motif and]] ''[[TropesAreNotBad modus operandi]]''), gets ridiculous when the Sand Snakes get killed in ''exactly'' the identical manner of their crimes. And likewise, Cersei not unleashing the Mountain on Ellaria and Tyene (which she did do so on Unella) feels both out-of-character with the actual fate seeming both very mild and almost a MercyKill, and yet the show treats it as a FateWorseThanDeath, which rings hollow compared to what happened to other characters on the show.

to:

** Daenerys invokes King Torrhen's oath of fealty to Aegon the Conqueror in perpetuity, despite Aerys pretty much voiding it on his end, and when confronted with tries to make peace with a mere apology before reasserting her demands, not to mention that the writers obviously felt they had to ''[[ViewersAreMorons spell out]]'' what "in perpetuity perpetuity" meant.
* The heavy use of KarmicDeath, which was epic when Arya did it (because [[TropesAreNotBad it fit with her character arc, motif and]] ''[[TropesAreNotBad modus operandi]]''), gets ridiculous when the Sand Snakes get killed in ''exactly'' the identical manner of their crimes. And likewise, Cersei not unleashing the Mountain on Ellaria and Tyene (which she did do so on Unella) feels both out-of-character with the actual fate seeming both very mild and almost a MercyKill, and yet the show treats it as a FateWorseThanDeath, which rings hollow compared to what happened to other characters on the show.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** He also gets it wrong, ("Mhysa" is "Mother" in Ghiscari (the common language of Essos), it's "Muño" in Valyrian) for the painfully obvious reason that "Mhysa" was an iconic moment, and "Muño" was only briefly mentioned, but [[ViewersAreMorons Valyrian is the language people associate with Dany]].

to:

** He also gets it wrong, wrong ("Mhysa" is "Mother" in Ghiscari (the common language of Essos), it's "Muño" in Valyrian) Valyrian), for the painfully obvious reason that "Mhysa" was an iconic moment, and "Muño" was only briefly mentioned, but [[ViewersAreMorons Valyrian is the language people associate with Dany]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Arya invokes MustNotDieAVirgin with Gendry before the Battle of Winterfell. While shipping for the two of them has strong and they've been making eyes at each other the last two episodes, the scene is awkwardly segued into and very suddenly so. It's also rather conspicuous that they avoid showing too much of Maisie Williams' nude body when the show has never been shy about nudity before, even with its main cast.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Also, his ludicrously over-the-top entrance to the battle, which looks like something out of ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' or ''Film/HeavyMetal'', as not only does a huge carved gangplank drop down on Yara's ship, but Euron is standing at the very end of it as it drops and crushes a Mook, [[LargeHam roaring and brandishing a huge axe]]. The scene may qualify as NarmCharm given how cartoonish it is, particularly when scored to the ''Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean'' theme song, Wrestling/BrockLesnar's entrance theme or the [=E1M1=] music from ''VideoGame/{{Doom}}''.

to:

** Also, his ludicrously over-the-top entrance to the battle, which looks like something out of ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' or ''Film/HeavyMetal'', ''WesternAnimation/HeavyMetal'', as not only does a huge carved gangplank drop down on Yara's ship, but Euron is standing at the very end of it as it drops and crushes a Mook, [[LargeHam roaring and brandishing a huge axe]]. The scene may qualify as NarmCharm given how cartoonish it is, particularly when scored to the ''Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean'' theme song, Wrestling/BrockLesnar's entrance theme or the [=E1M1=] music from ''VideoGame/{{Doom}}''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
...and that is unintentionally funny how? Deleting misuse. Please read the definition of Narm.


* Arya tells Jon she'd used the Needle (her sword) "once or twice". Sounds like a grizzled badass understating her stupendous body count, right? Hm, now how many times ''did'' she use it in an actual fight[[note]]notwithstanding the stable boy who was an accident, and Polliver whom she simply finished off[[/note]]? There was Biter, Waif... and that's it. Oh...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Arya tells Jon she'd used the Needle (her sword) "once or twice". Sounds like a grizzled badass understating her stupendous body count, right? Hm, now how many times ''did'' she use it in an actual fight[note:notwithstanding the stable boy who was an accident, and Polliver whom she simply finished off]? There was Biter, Waif... and that's it. Oh...

to:

* Arya tells Jon she'd used the Needle (her sword) "once or twice". Sounds like a grizzled badass understating her stupendous body count, right? Hm, now how many times ''did'' she use it in an actual fight[note:notwithstanding fight[[note]]notwithstanding the stable boy who was an accident, and Polliver whom she simply finished off]? off[[/note]]? There was Biter, Waif... and that's it. Oh...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Arya tells Jon she'd used the Needle (her sword) "once or twice". Sounds like a grizzled badass understating her stupendous body count, right? Hm, now how many times ''did'' she use it in an actual fight[note:notwithstanding the stable boy who was an accident, and Polliver whom she simply finished off]? There was Biter, Waif... and that's it. Oh...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:


* Jon protests that he “doesn’t know how to ride a dragon”, and Daenerys’s response is “nobody does, until they ride a dragon”. While this could have been humorous, Emilia Clarke's deadpan delivery makes you wonder if she understands that she's casually risking the life of a key strategic figure in a war against an existential threat.

Added: 5189

Changed: 1634

Removed: 290

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Re-adding examples. Narm doesn't have to come from scenes explicitly trying to be dramatic but rather just scenes that are supposed to be taken as "serious" but become funny due to "over-sappiness, poor execution, excessive melodrama, or sheer absurdity" which these do.


* Arya [[MeaninglessMeaningfulWords trying to sound deep]] with her [[ShapedLikeItself "Nothing is just… nothing,"]] line is more cringe-worthy than profound.



* Jaime confesses more sins to the High Sparrow's face than all his other victims combined (heck, Margaery was seized for ''perjury'' and remanded for "not being without sin"), prompting the High Sparrow to launch a monologue about gods-fearing and overthrowing empires as armed Sparrows ominously converge around them… but then he just leaves without actually taking any action against Jaime.



* You'd think that the people of King's Landing, who still have the Tywin's Sack and the Battle of Blackwater in living memory, should be a bit nervous when ''unauthorized'' armed-to-the-teeth soldiers march at their doorstep. Instead, [[UnusuallyUninterestingSight they just wait for the troops to pass as if waiting for the traffic light]] and remain at their place even when Jaime outright threatens to purge all the Sparrows.



* Though it's thankfully never actually said in the show, Brother Ray's name is quite jarringly modern, and probably reminded many viewers of a certain [[Wrestling/TheDudleyBoys table-smashing pro wrestler]] more than a repentant pacifist, and then there's his shameless AsYouKnow where he seems to think [[spoiler:Sandor]] needs a refresher on that time he almost died.

to:

* Though it's thankfully never actually said in the show, Brother Ray's name is quite jarringly modern, and probably reminded many viewers of a certain [[Wrestling/TheDudleyBoys table-smashing pro wrestler]] more than a repentant pacifist, and then pacifist. Then there's his shameless AsYouKnow where he seems to think [[spoiler:Sandor]] needs a refresher on that time he almost died.



** The forces of the Vale coming out of nowhere to save the Stark alliance at ''exactly'' the moment things are at their most hopeless. You almost expect Aidan Gillen to chime in with some narration about "[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings looking to the east]]"… [[OohMeAccentsSlipping dodgy accent]] being optional.

to:

** The forces of the Vale coming out of nowhere to save the Stark alliance at ''exactly'' the moment things are at their most hopeless. You hopeless is so cliché you almost expect Aidan Gillen to chime in with some narration about "[[Film/TheLordOfTheRings looking to the east]]"… [[OohMeAccentsSlipping dodgy accent]] being optional.



* The final scene of Book 5, in which Varys has his "little birds" murder Kevan Lannister, is changed to Qyburn killing Pycelle. Fair enough, except for some reason the writers just copy-pasted Varys' lines about how he [[ApologeticAttacker regrets having to do it]] to further his plans because the victim [[NothingPersonal doesn't really deserve it]], which don't fit the new situation or characters well at all since sidetracking Pycelle from the upcoming bombing of the Great Sept and then killing him anyway makes it seem [[ItsPersonal very personal]].

to:

* The final scene of Book 5, in which Varys has his "little birds" murder Kevan Lannister, is changed to Qyburn killing Pycelle. Fair enough, except for some reason the writers just copy-pasted Varys' lines about how he [[ApologeticAttacker regrets having to do it]] to further his plans because the victim [[NothingPersonal doesn't really deserve it]], which don't fit [[AdaptationalContextChange the new situation or characters characters]] well at all since sidetracking Pycelle from the upcoming bombing of the Great Sept and then killing him anyway makes it seem [[ItsPersonal very personal]].



* Music/EdSheeran's cameo. Unlike the other famous musicians' cameos, it's impossible to miss him since he's just Ed Sheeran in Lannister armor and the camera keeps panning on his face as if they want the viewers to say "Hey, it's Ed Sheeran!" And when Arya comments that his song was pretty and not what she heard before, Sheeran's reply is "It's a new one" as if he's promoting a new song or album.
** The fact he sings the line, "O'er the winds and the steps and the cobbles" like he's talking about air currents rather than twisty paths is also humorously ignorant.



* It looks like the writers couldn't come up with any good dialogue at all for the Sand Snakes' final scene before the big ship battle, where they're all talking about who they want to kill first when they arrive in King's Landing, with Tyene still calling her own mother "Mama" and Obara and Nym making fun of her for doing so. Downright embarrassing until the end, it makes you wonder if this is really the overall portrayal of Oberyn's bastard daughters; grown women acting like a bunch of spoiled angry children.

to:

* The dragonglass deposit on Dragonstone is treated as some great, dramatic reveal even though it's been well established that dragonglass exists there since the Season 2 Histories & Lore. Even Sam himself sheepishly admits Stannis mentioned it in Season 5 but says he didn't believe it without explaining why. The fact that it's there solely because showrunners believe ViewersAreGoldfish is patently obvious.
* The {{squick}}y montage of Sam's soup/shit duties in Oldtown comes across so broad and sloppily edited that it might as well have come from a Creator/SeltzerAndFriedberg flick. All that's missing is some apropos montage music...
* It looks like the writers couldn't come up with any good dialogue at all for the Sand Snakes' final scene before the big ship battle, where they're all talking about who they want to kill first when they arrive in King's Landing, with Tyene still calling her own mother "Mama" and Obara and Nym making fun of her for doing so. Downright embarrassing until the end, it makes you wonder if this is really the overall portrayal of Oberyn's bastard daughters; grown women acting like a bunch of spoiled angry children.



* Olenna's advice "You're a dragon; ''be'' a dragon" is supposed to be dramatic, but it sounds a lot like a fairly standard [[MeaninglessMeaningfulWords meaninglessly meaningful]] advertising slogan or, worse yet, the requisite mantra of self-affirmation from a motivational book. The fact that within hours HBO was selling t-shirts bearing the phrase also reinforced many people's initial impression that it was [[ForcedMeme written to be on t-shirts]].



** Daenerys invokes King Torrhen's oath of fealty to Aegon the Conqueror in perpetuity, despite Aerys pretty much voiding it on his end, and when confronted with tries to make peace with a mere apology before reasserting her demands.

to:

** Daenerys invokes King Torrhen's oath of fealty to Aegon the Conqueror in perpetuity, despite Aerys pretty much voiding it on his end, and when confronted with tries to make peace with a mere apology before reasserting her demands.demands, not to mention that the writers obviously felt they had to ''[[ViewersAreMorons spell out]]'' what "in perpetuity meant.



* Littlefinger gives possibly his most inane monologue yet, saying that Sansa should fight in all directions and that everything is happening at the same time and other MeaninglessMeaningfulWords. The fact that Sansa seems ''horrified'' by his words for some reason simply makes it funnier.



* Sansa's [[InformedAttribute supposedly]] brilliant idea of winterizing plate armour by covering it with leather can't possibly be taken seriously by anyone who knows anything about actual armour. If you don't, just Google "gambeson" to learn why.
* Littlefinger gives possibly his most inane monologue yet, saying that Sansa should fight in all directions and that everything is happening at the same time and other MeaninglessMeaningfulWords. The fact that Sansa seems ''horrified'' by his words for some reason simply makes it funnier.



* The conversation on the boat where Jon refers to Daenerys as "Dany" out of nowhere. While there are characters with nicknames, those are used by everyone and Dany herself points out no one has called her that since Viserys, and Jon isn't TheNicknamer. That he's doing it having decided to swear fealty to her as his queen only makes it more awkward.

to:

* The need to squeeze a season's worth of story into seven episodes means that Season 7 features even more absurd TravellingAtTheSpeedOfPlot than in previous seasons. The director of "Beyond the Wall" even admitted that he tried to fudge things as much as possible by putting the land beyond the Wall in perpetual twilight, and just had to hope the story would get people invested enough that they'd overlook it. Many could not.
* The conversation on the boat where Jon refers to Daenerys as "Dany" out of nowhere. While there are characters with nicknames, those are used by everyone and Dany herself points out no one has called her that since "Dany" except Viserys, and Jon isn't TheNicknamer. That he's doing it having decided solely to swear set up a segue into swearing fealty to her as his queen only makes it more awkward.


Added DiffLines:

* The fact that the White Walkers somehow conjured up ''gigantic chains'' seemingly out of nowhere to pull Viserion's corpse out of the frozen lake in the name of plot convenience.
** The unfortunate VisualPun of him literally getting turned into [[Anime/YuGiOH a Blue-Eyes White Dragon]] didn't escape audience notice either.


Added DiffLines:

* Bran, the Three-Eyed Raven, has seen many things from the past, especially the fact that Jon is the son of Lyanna. Yet he didn’t see that Rhaegar annulled his first marriage in order to marry Lyanna, and has to be told this by Sam. At that point he reacts with shock and immediately flashes back to the vision, like it’s a note on the fridge he didn’t read properly the first time.


Added DiffLines:

* Jon protests that he “doesn’t know how to ride a dragon”, and Daenerys’s response is “nobody does, until they ride a dragon”. While this could have been humorous, Emilia Clarke's deadpan delivery makes you wonder if she understands that she's casually risking the life of a key strategic figure in a war against an existential threat.
* The idea that a common blacksmith [[ArtisticLicenseEngineering can cast and forge obsidian into any shape of weapon you desire just like metal]] can be absolutely laugh-out-loud silly. A few months before the season aired, much of the Website/YouTube userbase found out just how difficult that is when a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA3lIuN_zVE video about that exact subject]] was [[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/can-you-cast-obsidian mysteriously recommended to almost everyone.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Ellaria's vengeful speech to Doran is quite passionate but somewhat undercut by the line, "This Lannister girl skips about the water gardens eating ''our'' food, ''breathing OUR air''!" Apparently, air is scarce in Dorne and if Myrcella just took shallower breaths or stop breathing entirely she'd be much less offensive.

to:

* Ellaria's vengeful speech to Doran is quite passionate but somewhat undercut by the line, "This Lannister girl skips about the water gardens eating ''our'' food, ''breathing OUR air''!" Apparently, air is scarce in Dorne and if Myrcella just took shallower breaths or stop stopped breathing entirely entirely, she'd be much less offensive.



** The Sand Snakes' introduction is narmy all around, with many comparing them to BMovie "Bad Girls" of the kind parodied by the Fox Force Five in ''Film/PulpFiction'', from Obara's aforementioned InfoDump to the cruel and convoluted torture of the captain who willingly brought them information, to teenaged Tyene's EstablishingCharacterMoment of childishly running to Ellaria calling out "[[IWantMyMommy Mama!]]".

to:

** The Sand Snakes' introduction is narmy all around, with many comparing them to BMovie "Bad Girls" of the kind parodied by the Fox Force Five in ''Film/PulpFiction'', from Obara's aforementioned InfoDump to the cruel and convoluted torture of the captain who willingly brought them information, to teenaged Tyene's EstablishingCharacterMoment of childishly running to Ellaria while calling out "[[IWantMyMommy Mama!]]".



* ''Any'' time the scene cuts awkwardly away from the action to show [[ChekhovsGunman Olly's reaction]] to Jon doing something. Foreshadowing is ''not'' subtle in this season.
* Ramsay really goes overboard this season when he derails Stannis' ''entire'' war effort with just 20 men in an off-screen raid, somehow destroying the food, horse lines, and siege engines of an army of thousands and setting fire to their tents and killing hundreds of horses, not just unresisted but ''unspotted''. This ninja attack is so outlandish that many can only view it as [[SurrealHumor surreal comedy]].

to:

* ''Any'' time the scene cuts awkwardly away from the action to show [[ChekhovsGunman Olly's reaction]] to Jon doing something. Foreshadowing is ''not'' ''[[{{Anvilicious}} not]]'' subtle in this season.
* Ramsay really goes overboard this season when he derails Stannis' ''entire'' war effort with just 20 men in an off-screen raid, somehow destroying the food, horse lines, lines and siege engines of an army of thousands and setting fire to their tents and killing hundreds of horses, not just unresisted but ''unspotted''. This ninja attack is so outlandish and ridiculous that many can only view it as [[SurrealHumor surreal comedy]].



** It also doesn't help the gravity of the scene that Ellaria and the Sand Snakes act all {{smug|Snake}} afterwards as if they got away with something clever, even though their involvement is hair-pullingly obvious and the ship is ''still in sight'' and could return for medical attention or revenge so it's ridiculous that they believe they could get away with it for more than a day (yet they ultimately do).

to:

** It also doesn't help the gravity of the scene that Ellaria and the Sand Snakes act all {{smug|Snake}} afterwards as if they got away with something clever, even though their involvement is hair-pullingly obvious and the ship is ''still in sight'' and could return for medical attention or revenge so it's ridiculous that they believe they could get away with it for more than a day (yet they somehow ultimately do).



* The tragedy (or {{catharsis|Factor}}) of Stannis' HumiliationConga in "Mother's Mercy" can cross right over into farce via its UpToEleven nature: his army deserts him, his wife [[DrivenToSuicide hangs herself]], his guru abandons him, etc. Most of it happens off-screen and in such a ludicrously short time that the second he finishes hearing awful news, even worse news arrives until it feels like an infomercial ("But wait, there's more!") and you could be forgiven for expecting [[Film/RobinHoodMenInTights Blinkin]] to appear and comment: "Oh, it's good to be home, ain't it, Master Stannis?"

to:

* The tragedy (or {{catharsis|Factor}}) of Stannis' HumiliationConga in "Mother's Mercy" can cross right over into farce BlackComedy via its UpToEleven nature: his army deserts him, his wife [[DrivenToSuicide hangs herself]], his guru abandons him, etc. Most of it happens off-screen and in such a ludicrously short time that the second he finishes hearing awful news, even worse news arrives until it feels like an infomercial ("But wait, there's more!") and you could be forgiven for expecting [[Film/RobinHoodMenInTights Blinkin]] to appear and comment: "Oh, it's good to be home, ain't it, Master Stannis?"



* Arya's final showdown with the Waif has some eye-rolling bits as the Waif casually strolls after her like Film/{{the Terminator}}, yet is always right behind her like a slasher villain, and the show actually tries to drag out the suspense of who won after Arya takes out the candle like anyone could have any doubt, even on this show.

to:

* Arya's final showdown with the Waif has some eye-rolling bits as the Waif casually strolls after her like Film/{{the Terminator}}, Terminator}} and yet is always right behind her like a slasher villain, and the show actually tries to drag out the suspense of who won after Arya takes out the candle like anyone could have any doubt, even on this show.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Cersei is weirdly obsessed with the elephants the Golden Company supposedly has but was unable to transport to Westeros, as if they were some kind of super-weapon bound to secure her the victory against an enemy ''who has dragons''. Since nowadays elephants are much more commonly associated with circus or zoo than with combat, which is further helped by the recent ''[[Film/Dumbo2019 Dumbo]]'' movie release, this fixation of hers makes her look less like a powerful queen worried about the upcoming war and more like a little girl upset about missing her favorite cool animal.

to:

* Cersei is weirdly obsessed with the elephants the Golden Company supposedly has but was unable to transport to Westeros, as if they were some kind of super-weapon bound to secure her the victory against an enemy ''who who has dragons''. ''dragons''. Since nowadays elephants are much more commonly associated with circus circuses or zoo zoos than with combat, which is further helped by the recent ''[[Film/Dumbo2019 Dumbo]]'' movie release, this fixation of hers makes her look less like a powerful queen worried about the upcoming war and more like a little girl upset about missing her favorite cool animal.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Cersei is weirdly obsessed with the elephants the Golden Company supposedly has but was unable to transport to Westeros, as if they were some kind of super-weapon bound to secure her the victory against an enemy ''who has dragons''. Since nowadays elephants are much more commonly associated with circus or zoo than with combat, which is further helped by the recent [[Film/Dumbo2019]] movie release, this fixation of hers makes her look less like a powerful queen worried about the upcoming war and more like a little girl upset about missing her favorite cool animal.

to:

* Cersei is weirdly obsessed with the elephants the Golden Company supposedly has but was unable to transport to Westeros, as if they were some kind of super-weapon bound to secure her the victory against an enemy ''who has dragons''. Since nowadays elephants are much more commonly associated with circus or zoo than with combat, which is further helped by the recent [[Film/Dumbo2019]] ''[[Film/Dumbo2019 Dumbo]]'' movie release, this fixation of hers makes her look less like a powerful queen worried about the upcoming war and more like a little girl upset about missing her favorite cool animal.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Cersei is weirdly obsessed with the elephants the Golden Company supposedly has but was unable to transport to Westeros, as if they were some kind of super-weapon bound to secure her the victory against an enemy ''who has dragons''. Since nowadays elephants are much more commonly associated with circus or zoo than with combat, which is further helped by the recent [[Film/Dumbo]] movie release, this fixation of hers makes her look less like a powerful queen and more like a little girl upset about missing her favorite cool animal.

to:

* Cersei is weirdly obsessed with the elephants the Golden Company supposedly has but was unable to transport to Westeros, as if they were some kind of super-weapon bound to secure her the victory against an enemy ''who has dragons''. Since nowadays elephants are much more commonly associated with circus or zoo than with combat, which is further helped by the recent [[Film/Dumbo]] [[Film/Dumbo2019]] movie release, this fixation of hers makes her look less like a powerful queen worried about the upcoming war and more like a little girl upset about missing her favorite cool animal.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Even disregarding the late king's character, their sheer similarity makes for a very confusing and random scene of "Viserys" suddenly marrying some girl nobody would honestly recognise.

to:

** Even disregarding the late king's character, their sheer facial similarity makes for a very confusing and random scene of "Viserys" suddenly marrying some girl nobody would honestly recognise.



* Cersei is weirdly obsessed with the elephants the Golden Company supposedly has but was unable to transport to Westeros, as if they were some kind of super-weapon bound to secure her the victory against an enemy ''who has dragons''. Since nowadays elephants are much more commonly associated with circus or zoo than with combat (helped by the recent {Film/Dumbo} movie release), this fixation of hers makes her look less like a powerful queen and more like a girl dissappointed about missing her favorite cool animal.

to:

* Cersei is weirdly obsessed with the elephants the Golden Company supposedly has but was unable to transport to Westeros, as if they were some kind of super-weapon bound to secure her the victory against an enemy ''who has dragons''. Since nowadays elephants are much more commonly associated with circus or zoo than with combat (helped combat, which is further helped by the recent {Film/Dumbo} [[Film/Dumbo]] movie release), release, this fixation of hers makes her look less like a powerful queen and more like a little girl dissappointed upset about missing her favorite cool animal.

Changed: 1297

Removed: 6390

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Removing moments that aren't intended to be dramatic, and therefore aren't Narm. And other typical "scene just falls flat" or adding comedic scenes misuse. And negative potholing.


* Arya [[MeaninglessMeaningfulWords trying to sound deep]] with her [[ShapedLikeItself "Nothing is just… nothing,"]] line is more cringe-worthy than profound.



** The line "You want a good girl, but you need the bad pussy." is a strong candidate for the worst line ever written for the show, and thus a fair representation of [[IdiotPlot the entire Dorne storyline]]. It's so bad that one would be excused for thinking it's a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1GA4qcbwjI shout-out]] to a masterpiece by the name of ''Film/SharkAttack3Megalodon''.

to:

** The line "You want a good girl, but you need the bad pussy." is a strong candidate for the worst line ever written for the show, and thus a fair representation of [[IdiotPlot the entire Dorne storyline]]. It's so bad that one show. One would be excused for thinking it's a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1GA4qcbwjI shout-out]] to a masterpiece by the name of ''Film/SharkAttack3Megalodon''.



* As part of TheConspiracy to assassinate [[spoiler: Jon Snow]], someone was given the job of ''painting a sign'' that says "Traitor". Imagine the debate that must have gone into that decision: "Hmm, how can we make it clear we're upset with him, other than repeatedly stabbing him to death? I know! We'll make him look at ''a sign''!", or the attendant debate over which PreMortemOneLiner to say aloud and which to put on a sign. It gets even sillier in the Season 6 premiere. ''[[WhatAnIdiot They didn't take the sign down]]'', and left the corpse lying under it. It takes Davos about two seconds to put two and two together and realize what happened. Way to go, guys.

to:

* As part of TheConspiracy to assassinate [[spoiler: Jon Snow]], someone was given the job of ''painting a sign'' that says "Traitor". Imagine the debate that must have gone into that decision: "Hmm, how can we make it clear we're upset with him, other than repeatedly stabbing him to death? I know! We'll make him look at ''a sign''!", or the attendant debate over which PreMortemOneLiner to say aloud and which to put on a sign. It gets even sillier in the Season 6 premiere. ''[[WhatAnIdiot They didn't take the sign down]]'', down, and left the corpse lying under it. It takes Davos about two seconds to put two and two together and realize what happened. Way to go, guys.



* Dorne continues to deliver with its [[SarcasmMode solid]] [[IdiotPlot storyline]] about those ''[[Series/XenaWarriorPrincess Xena]]'' rejects avenging Oberyn by [[spoiler: murdering all his remaining relatives]] in an [[DroppedABridgeOnHim out-of-nowhere]] coup justified by InsaneTrollLogic and accompanied by gratuitous gloating:

to:

* Dorne continues to deliver with its [[SarcasmMode solid]] [[IdiotPlot storyline]] about those ''[[Series/XenaWarriorPrincess Xena]]'' rejects avenging Oberyn by [[spoiler: murdering all his remaining relatives]] in an [[DroppedABridgeOnHim out-of-nowhere]] coup justified by InsaneTrollLogic and accompanied by gratuitous gloating:



* The fact that nobody takes the Tyrell army seriously. While some of the comedic effect is intended (such as Mace's RousingSpeech), you would think that the King's Landing populace, who still have the Tywin's Sack and the battle of Blackwater in living memory, should be a bit more nervous when ''unauthorized'' armed-to-the-teeth soldiers march at their doorstep. Instead, [[UnusuallyUninterestingSight they stand waiting for the troops to pass as if waiting for the traffic light]] and remain at their place even when Jaime outright threatens to purge all the Sparrows.



* Jaime confesses more sins to the High Sparrow's face than all his other victims combined (heck, Margaery was seized for ''perjury'' and remanded for "not being without sin"), all while ''[[WhatAnIdiot being surrounded by armed Sparrows]]''… but the High Sparrow just keeps babbling on about gods-fearing and overthrowing empires and then just leaves without any apparent interest in seizing Jaime.



* Music/EdSheeran's cameo. Unlike the other famous musicians' cameos, it's impossible to miss him since he's just Ed Sheeran in Lannister armor and the camera keeps panning on his face as if they want the viewers to say "Hey, it's Ed Sheeran!" And when Arya comments that his song was pretty and not what she heard before, Sheeran's reply is "It's a new one" as if he's promoting a new song or album.
** The fact he sings the line, "O'er the winds and the steps and the cobbles" like he's talking about air currents rather than twisty paths is also distracting.



* The dragonglass deposit on Dragonstone becomes this since the show treats this as some great reveal even though it's been well established that dragonglass exists there since the Season 2 Histories & Lore. Even Sam himself sheepishly admits Stannis mentioned it in Season 5 but says he didn't believe it without explaining why he thought Stannis would lie or be mistaken. The fact that it's there solely because showrunners believe ViewersAreGoldfish is patently obvious.
* The {{squick}}y montage of Sam's soup/shit duties in Oldtown, while no doubt intended to be comical to some extent, comes across so broad and sloppily edited that it might as well have come from a Creator/SeltzerAndFriedberg flick. All that's missing is some apropos montage music...



* In or out of context, Lady Olenna's suggestion that Daenerys "be a dragon" still sounds like an advertising slogan or, worse yet, the requisite mantra of self-affirmation from a motivational book. The fact that within hours HBO was selling t-shirts bearing the phrase also screams ForcedMeme.
** Olenna's boast about getting where she is by ignoring all those supposedly wise men who'd tried to advise her rings jarringly hollow from a bitter woman who just admitted she's got nothing worth living for except revenge, brought down by someone who, incidentally, ''was'' making use of a wise man at their side.

to:

* In or out of context, Lady Olenna's suggestion that Daenerys "be a dragon" still sounds like an advertising slogan or, worse yet, the requisite mantra of self-affirmation from a motivational book. The fact that within hours HBO was selling t-shirts bearing the phrase also screams ForcedMeme.
**
Olenna's boast about getting where she is by ignoring all those supposedly wise men who'd tried to advise her rings jarringly hollow from a bitter woman who just admitted she's got nothing worth living for except revenge, brought down by someone who, incidentally, ''was'' making use of a wise man at their side.



*** Also, the fact that the scene screeches to a halt in order to [[ViewersAreMorons spell out]] what "in perpetuity" means.
* The cave drawings Jon shows Dany. They are so so obviously new and fit Jon's agenda so conveniently that many viewers theorized he drew them himself.



* Sansa's [[InformedAttribute supposedly]] brilliant idea of winterizing plate armour by covering it with leather can't possibly be taken seriously by anyone who knows anything about actual armour. Just Google "gambeson".



** This also features another nude scene from Cersei that's somehow [[UpToEleven even more obviously]] [[SpecialEffectFailure a body double]] than in her walk of shame.
** The fact that Cersei goes directly from giving a DruggedLipstick KissOfDeath to making out with and going down on Jaime. Yes, she wiped it off, but still... One can imagine Jaime going to Qyburn the next morning to ask about a burning sensation...
* Creator/LenaHeadey has developed an unexplained habit of having Cersei over-enunciate the last word of a sentence, which is jarring and somewhat comical. In her conversation with Tycho Nestoris in "Queen's Justice," for instance, Cersei mentions that Daenerys' dragons aren't as powerful as some may think, with "think" pronounced along the lines of saying "what" as "hwat". It sounds as if she changed accents mid-sentence.



* Yes, Viserion getting turned into a White Walker is a creepy WhamEpisode, but it's hurt a bit by the FridgeLogic that the White Walkers somehow conjured up ''gigantic chains'' out of seemingly nowhere to pull his corpse out of the frozen lake, apparently in the name of plot convenience.
** The unfortunate VisualPun of him literally getting turned into [[Anime/YuGiOH a Blue-Eyes White Dragon]] didn't escape audience notice either.



* The need to squeeze a season's worth of story into seven episodes means that Season 7 features even more absurd [[TravellingAtTheSpeedOfPlot timeline shenanigans]] than in previous seasons. The director of "Beyond the Wall" even admitted that he tried to fudge things as much as possible by putting the land beyond the Wall in perpetual twilight, and just had to hope the story would get people invested enough that they'd overlook it. [[spoiler:They do not.]]
* Bran, the Three-Eyed Raven, has seen many things from the past, especially the fact that Jon is the son of Lyanna. Yet he didn’t see that Rhaegar annulled his first marriage in order to marry Lyanna, and has to be told this by Sam. At that point he reacts with shock and immediately flashes back to the vision, like it’s a note on the fridge he didn’t read properly the first time.



* Jon protests that he “doesn’t know how to ride a dragon”, and Daenerys’s response is “nobody does, until they ride a dragon”. While this could have been humorous, Emilia Clarke's deadpan delivery makes you wonder if she understands that she's casually risking the life of a key strategic figure in a war against an existential threat.
* The idea that a common blacksmith [[ArtisticLicenseEngineering can cast and forge obsidian into any shape of weapon you desire just like metal]] can be absolutely laugh-out-loud silly. A few months before the season aired, much of the Website/YouTube userbase found out just how difficult that is when a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA3lIuN_zVE video about that exact subject]] was [[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/can-you-cast-obsidian mysteriously recommended to almost everyone.]]
* Cersei is weirdly obsessed with the elephants the Golden Company supposedly has but was unable to transport to Westeros, as if they were some kind of super-weapon bound to secure her the victory against an enemy ''who has dragons''. Since nowdays elephants are much more commonly associated with circus or zoo than with combat (helped by the recent {Film/Dumbo} movie release), this fixation of hers makes her look less like a powerful queen and more like a girl dissappointed about missing her favorite cool animal.

to:

* Jon protests that he “doesn’t know how to ride a dragon”, and Daenerys’s response is “nobody does, until they ride a dragon”. While this could have been humorous, Emilia Clarke's deadpan delivery makes you wonder if she understands that she's casually risking the life of a key strategic figure in a war against an existential threat.
* The idea that a common blacksmith [[ArtisticLicenseEngineering can cast and forge obsidian into any shape of weapon you desire just like metal]] can be absolutely laugh-out-loud silly. A few months before the season aired, much of the Website/YouTube userbase found out just how difficult that is when a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA3lIuN_zVE video about that exact subject]] was [[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/can-you-cast-obsidian mysteriously recommended to almost everyone.]]
* Cersei is weirdly obsessed with the elephants the Golden Company supposedly has but was unable to transport to Westeros, as if they were some kind of super-weapon bound to secure her the victory against an enemy ''who has dragons''. Since nowdays nowadays elephants are much more commonly associated with circus or zoo than with combat (helped by the recent {Film/Dumbo} movie release), this fixation of hers makes her look less like a powerful queen and more like a girl dissappointed about missing her favorite cool animal.

Changed: 518

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* Cersei is weirdly obsessed with the elephants the Golden Company supposedly has but was unable to transport to Westeros, as if they were some kind of super-weapon bound to secure her the victory against an enemy ''who has dragons''. Since nowdays elephants are much more commonly associated with circus or zoo than with combat (helped by the recent {Film/Dumbo} movie release), this fixation of hers makes her look less like a powerful queen and more like a girl dissappointed about missing her favorite cool animal.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* The idea that a common blacksmith can cast and forge obsidian into any shape of weapon you desire just like metal can be absolutely laugh-out-loud silly. A few months before the season aired, much of the [=YouTube=] userbase found out just how difficult that is when a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA3lIuN_zVE video about that exact subject]] was [[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/can-you-cast-obsidian mysteriously recommended to almost everyone.]]

to:

* The idea that a common blacksmith [[ArtisticLicenseEngineering can cast and forge obsidian into any shape of weapon you desire just like metal metal]] can be absolutely laugh-out-loud silly. A few months before the season aired, much of the [=YouTube=] Website/YouTube userbase found out just how difficult that is when a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA3lIuN_zVE video about that exact subject]] was [[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/can-you-cast-obsidian mysteriously recommended to almost everyone.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
This is sooooo nitpicky. I thought it fell flat too, but let's use a reason that makes a little more sense to the reader than "the inflection on one word was ever-so-slightly off"


* Jon protests that he “doesn’t know how to ride a dragon”, and Daenerys’s response is “nobody does, until they ride a dragon”. While this could have been humorous, Emilia Clarke puts as little effort into the line as possible and puts the only mild emphasis on the final word, rather than “ride”, making it sound like dragons are an optional part of the process.

to:

* Jon protests that he “doesn’t know how to ride a dragon”, and Daenerys’s response is “nobody does, until they ride a dragon”. While this could have been humorous, Emilia Clarke puts as little effort into Clarke's deadpan delivery makes you wonder if she understands that she's casually risking the line as possible and puts the only mild emphasis on the final word, rather than “ride”, making it sound like dragons are life of a key strategic figure in a war against an optional part of the process.existential threat.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* The idea that a common blacksmith can cast and forge obsidian into any shape of weapon you desire just like metal can be absolutely laugh-out-loud silly. A few months before the season aired, much of the YouTube userbase found out just how difficult that is when a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA3lIuN_zVE video about that exact subject]] was [[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/can-you-cast-obsidian mysteriously recommended to almost everyone.]]

to:

* The idea that a common blacksmith can cast and forge obsidian into any shape of weapon you desire just like metal can be absolutely laugh-out-loud silly. A few months before the season aired, much of the YouTube [=YouTube=] userbase found out just how difficult that is when a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA3lIuN_zVE video about that exact subject]] was [[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/can-you-cast-obsidian mysteriously recommended to almost everyone.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* The idea that a common blacksmith can cast and forge obsidian into any shape of weapon you desire just like metal can be absolutely laugh-out-loud silly.

to:

* The idea that a common blacksmith can cast and forge obsidian into any shape of weapon you desire just like metal can be absolutely laugh-out-loud silly.
silly. A few months before the season aired, much of the YouTube userbase found out just how difficult that is when a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA3lIuN_zVE video about that exact subject]] was [[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/can-you-cast-obsidian mysteriously recommended to almost everyone.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* The idea that a common blacksmith can cast and forge obsidian into any shape of weapon you desire just like metal can be absolutely laugh-out-loud silly.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Cersei said the Company would bring 20,000 men; they brought 20,000 men. And the Romans used to bring elephants and giraffes over from North Africa all the time for triumphs and such, so it's not especially hard.


** The FridgeLogic that Cersei does nothing to explain why a PrivateMilitaryContractor like the Golden Company would agree to join her at this point. What's in it for them? Cersei has money, of course, but so do lots of other people, and Jaime's point that eventually Cersei will still be faced with either all of Westeros united against her or an unstoppable army of ice demons still stands. Euron might still be motivated by a desire to marry her, but Cersei can't marry all 20,000 men of the Golden Company and their horses and elephants, too. And just like the ballista above, RealityEnsues when the following season reveals the Company sent a much smaller force than she was expecting, without a single elephant (which can’t exactly be transported well on wooden ships).

to:

** The FridgeLogic that Cersei does nothing to explain why a PrivateMilitaryContractor like the Golden Company would agree to join her at this point. What's in it for them? Cersei has money, of course, but so do lots of other people, and Jaime's point that eventually Cersei will still be faced with either all of Westeros united against her or an unstoppable army of ice demons still stands. Euron might still be motivated by a desire to marry her, but Cersei can't marry all 20,000 men of the Golden Company and their horses and elephants, too. And just like the ballista above, RealityEnsues when the following season next episode reveals the Company sent a much smaller force than she was expecting, without didn't even bring a single elephant (which can’t exactly elephant, supposedly because they can't be transported well on wooden ships).ships.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** An entire room full of people all collapsing from being poisoned ''[[OneDoseFitsAll all at the same time]]'' and ''[[RuleOfDrama on dramatic cue]]'' is [[BlackComedy as funny as it is horrific]]. One thinks of ''Series/{{Blackadder}}''.

to:

** An entire room full of people all collapsing from being poisoned ''[[OneDoseFitsAll all at the same time]]'' and ''[[RuleOfDrama on dramatic cue]]'' is [[BlackComedy as funny as it is horrific]]. One thinks of ''Series/{{Blackadder}}''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* The fact that nobody takes the Tyrell army seriously. While some of the comedic effect is intended (such as Mace's RousingSpeech), you would think that the King's Landing populace, who still have the Tywin's Sack and the battle of Blackwater in living memory, should be a bit more nervous when ''unauthorized'' armed-to-the-teeth soldiers march at their doorstep. Instead, they stand waiting for the troops to pass as if waiting for the traffic light and remain at their place even when Jaime outright threatens to purge all the Sparrows.
* Given how her usual magic required burning people or making shadow-babies, Melisandre's attempt to resurrect [[spoiler: Jon Snow]] is downright anti-climatic since it amounts to giving him a light shave, shampoo, and haircut. It looks less like a resurrection and more like she's his barber, and one can't help but think she's cutting the corpse's hair, caressing his abs, and mumbling some nonsense just to get Davos off her case. Plus, it's uncannily like all those Arya the Mortician scenes in Season 5, making it seem like if Arya had just inadvertently mumbled some Valyrian about not being dead, the same thing might have happened.

to:

* The fact that nobody takes the Tyrell army seriously. While some of the comedic effect is intended (such as Mace's RousingSpeech), you would think that the King's Landing populace, who still have the Tywin's Sack and the battle of Blackwater in living memory, should be a bit more nervous when ''unauthorized'' armed-to-the-teeth soldiers march at their doorstep. Instead, [[UnusuallyUninterestingSight they stand waiting for the troops to pass as if waiting for the traffic light light]] and remain at their place even when Jaime outright threatens to purge all the Sparrows.
* Given how her usual magic required burning people or making shadow-babies, Melisandre's attempt to resurrect [[spoiler: Jon Snow]] is downright anti-climatic since it amounts to giving him a light shave, shampoo, and haircut. It looks less like a resurrection and more like she's his barber, and one can't help but think she's cutting the corpse's hair, caressing his abs, and mumbling some nonsense just to get Davos off her case. Plus, Also, it's uncannily like all those Arya the Mortician scenes in Season 5, making it seem like if Arya had just inadvertently mumbled some Valyrian about not being dead, the same thing might have happened. happened.



* Jaime confesses more sins to the High Sparrow's face than all his other victims combined (heck, Margaery was seized for ''perjury'' and remanded for "not being without sin"), all while ''[[WhatAnIdiot being surrounded by armed Sparrows]]''… but the High Sparrow just keeps babbling on about gods-fearing and overthrowing empires and then just leaves without any interest in seizing Jaime.

to:

* Jaime confesses more sins to the High Sparrow's face than all his other victims combined (heck, Margaery was seized for ''perjury'' and remanded for "not being without sin"), all while ''[[WhatAnIdiot being surrounded by armed Sparrows]]''… but the High Sparrow just keeps babbling on about gods-fearing and overthrowing empires and then just leaves without any apparent interest in seizing Jaime.



* Daenerys gets yet another rousing speech in "Blood of My Blood" but while it is visually impressive, it barely makes any sense for it to exist. Aside from the glaring AssPull that is Drogon's sudden appearance and taming, it comes at a time when she's marching with a totally loyal army with no apparent morale problems, making it feel like she got bored more than anything else.

to:

* Daenerys gets yet another rousing speech in "Blood of My Blood" Blood", but while it is visually impressive, it barely makes any sense for it to exist. Aside from the glaring AssPull that is Drogon's sudden appearance and taming, it comes at a time when she's marching with a totally loyal army with no apparent morale problems, making it feel like she got bored more than anything else.



* After leaving the Faceless Men, Arya clearly knows that they plan to kill her and spends a LockAndLoadMontage preparing for it, but then she just strolls around nonchalantly until she's accosted by an old woman who immediately shivs her multiple times before stopping to [[DramaticUnmask reveal]] she's actually the Waif and [[VillainBall give Arya time to escape]], which begs the question of what Arya thought she was doing and why the Waif wore a disguise at all if it only got in the way of her gloating.

to:

* After leaving the Faceless Men, Arya clearly knows that they plan to kill her and spends a LockAndLoadMontage preparing for it, but then she just strolls around nonchalantly until she's accosted by an old woman who immediately shivs her multiple times before stopping to [[DramaticUnmask reveal]] that she's actually the Waif and [[VillainBall give Arya time to escape]], which begs the question of what Arya thought she was doing and why the Waif wore a disguise at all if it only got in the way of her gloating.



* The House of Black and White’s employment policy is just baffling. Last season Arya ignored a contract, stole a face and killed someone she wasn’t meant to; for that she got blinded and kicked out into the street. This season she gets a second chance, and promptly botches it again, telling the mark that she’s been targeted. The Waif promptly goes to kill her, and winds up dead instead. So now Arya has botched ''two'' hits and ''killed one of the House’s agents'', yet when she shows up in the crypts to tell Jaqen that the Waif is dead and she will not be indoctrinated and will return to Westeros instead, he just...grins and lets her go? And the Faceless Men just never bother her again! Maybe Arya got a great union rep.
* The Second Battle of Winterfell.

to:

* The House of Black and White’s employment policy is just baffling. Last season Arya ignored a contract, stole a face and killed someone she wasn’t meant to; for that that, she got blinded and kicked out into the street. This season she gets a second chance, and promptly botches it again, telling the mark that she’s been targeted. The Waif promptly goes to kill her, and winds up dead instead. So now Arya has botched ''two'' hits and ''killed one of the House’s agents'', yet when she shows up in the crypts to tell Jaqen that the Waif is dead and she will not be indoctrinated and will return to Westeros instead, he just... grins and lets her go? And the Faceless Men just never bother her again! Maybe Arya got a great union rep.
rep?
* The Second Battle of Winterfell.Winterfell:



** Jon Snow and his army must be made up of the fastest sprinters in Westeros, as not even a minute passes after Ramsay arrives in Winterfell on horseback, before Jon's infantry starts breaking down the gate. It looks even more strange that none of the Vale knights participate in the final siege, in spite of actually possessing horses.
** While Ramsay's PlotArmor finally runs out, his evilness ramps up exponentially until that point. He repeatedly [[WeHaveReserves fires on his own troops]] and [[BadBoss those of allied houses]], who continue to fight for him to the bitter end. He does so in order to form a wall of corpses to trap them, which forms [[AtopAMountainOfCorpses far higher than is reasonable]], as if troops were climbing on existing piles to die there. And none of the Stark/Wilding troops, including Davos' archers who were the last to join the fray, manage to notice the approaching Bolton spears. Finally, the Umbers go over the corpse wall to be hemmed in with the Stark forces, even though that spells their own doom.

to:

** Jon Snow and his army must be made up of the fastest sprinters in Westeros, as not even a minute passes after Ramsay arrives in Winterfell on horseback, horseback before Jon's infantry starts breaking down the gate. It looks even more strange that none of the Vale knights participate in the final siege, in spite of actually possessing horses.
** While Ramsay's PlotArmor finally runs out, his evilness ramps up exponentially until that point. He repeatedly [[WeHaveReserves fires on his own troops]] and [[BadBoss those of allied houses]], who and yet they continue to fight for him to the bitter end. He does so in order to form a wall of corpses to trap them, which forms [[AtopAMountainOfCorpses far higher than is reasonable]], as if troops were climbing on existing piles to die there. And none of the Stark/Wilding troops, including Davos' archers who were the last to join the fray, manage to notice the approaching Bolton spears. Finally, the Umbers go over the corpse wall to be hemmed in with the Stark forces, even though that spells their own doom.



* After Ellaria made such a big deal about killing Doran for not taking action against the Lannisters, it's quite weird that she herself (hypocritically) [[OffscreenInertia does nothing]] until Varys arrives to get her ass in gear. And how does she call Varys out to greet Olenna? By ringing a bell, as if she's calling the waiter to bring in some pizza. Since when in Varys the Spider, Master of Whisperers, treated like Ellaria's personal butler?
* The final scene of Book 5, in which Varys has his "little birds" murder Kevan Lannister, is changed to Qyburn killing Pycelle. Fair enough, except for some reason the writers just copy-pasted Varys' lines about how he [[ApologeticAttacker regrets having to do it]] to further his plans because the victim [[NothingPersonal doesn't really deserve it]], which don't fit the new situation or characters well at all since sidetracking Pycelle from the upcoming bombing of the Great Sept makes it seem [[ItsPersonal very personal]].

to:

* After Ellaria made such a big deal about killing Doran for not taking action against the Lannisters, it's quite weird that she herself (hypocritically) [[OffscreenInertia does nothing]] until Varys arrives to get her ass in gear. And how does she call Varys out to greet Olenna? By ringing a bell, as if she's calling the waiter to bring in some pizza. Since when in is Varys the Spider, Master of Whisperers, treated like Ellaria's personal butler?
* The final scene of Book 5, in which Varys has his "little birds" murder Kevan Lannister, is changed to Qyburn killing Pycelle. Fair enough, except for some reason the writers just copy-pasted Varys' lines about how he [[ApologeticAttacker regrets having to do it]] to further his plans because the victim [[NothingPersonal doesn't really deserve it]], which don't fit the new situation or characters well at all since sidetracking Pycelle from the upcoming bombing of the Great Sept and then killing him anyway makes it seem [[ItsPersonal very personal]].



* Tommen's suicide is less disturbing and sad and more [[SuicideAsComedy hilarious]] with how abruptly the kid just steps out the window and how still the camera is during all of it. Not to mention Tommen's calm and rather bored demeanor humorously turns the scene from "DrivenToSuicide after losing everything I love" to "[[ScrewThisImOuttaHere Fuck this, I'm out]]". As if to give evidence to this, he takes the time to actually ''take off his crown and leave it on a table before jumping''. The AccidentalPun it created also [[MemeticMutation did not escape the audience's notice]].

to:

* Tommen's suicide is less disturbing and sad and more [[SuicideAsComedy hilarious]] with how abruptly the kid just steps out the window and how still the camera is during all of it. Not it; not to mention Tommen's calm and rather bored demeanor humorously turns the scene from "DrivenToSuicide after losing everything I love" to "[[ScrewThisImOuttaHere Fuck this, I'm out]]". As if to give evidence to this, he takes the time to actually ''take off his crown and leave it on a table before jumping''. The AccidentalPun it created also [[MemeticMutation did not escape the audience's notice]].



* The show presents the start of winter by showing snow falling during Jon and Sansa’s conversation at Winterfell, with the pair of them joking about their house words and Ned’s catchphrase “Winter is coming” as the snow starts to fall just to drive it home. Which is just plain laughable given that it's well-established that it snows in the North even in summer and autumn (e.g. snowbound Stannis), and the rest of Westeros looks the same as it always has. Indeed, snow doesn’t fall anywhere else on the continent until the end of the next season, so the snow here really doesn't indicate anything beyond a forced MemeAcknowledgement.

to:

* The show presents the start of winter by showing snow falling during Jon and Sansa’s conversation at Winterfell, with the pair of them joking about their house words and Ned’s catchphrase “Winter is coming” as the snow starts to fall just to drive it home. Which home, which is just plain laughable given that it's well-established that it snows in the North even in summer and autumn (e.g. snowbound Stannis), and the rest of Westeros looks the same as it always has. Indeed, snow doesn’t fall anywhere else on the continent until the end of the next season, so the snow here really doesn't indicate anything beyond a forced MemeAcknowledgement.



* Arya's AesopAmnesia of implying that the Freys' big mistake was failing to KillEmAll... [[{{Hypocrite}} in the midst of poisoning]] ''[[{{Hypocrite}} only]]'' [[{{Hypocrite}} the]] ''[[{{Hypocrite}} adult men]]'' [[{{Hypocrite}} of House Frey]]. Yes, the [[FemalesAreMoreInnocent women weren't directly responsible]] for the Red Wedding, but that isn't the argument Arya was making, and doesn't preclude some young Frey boy or girl from continuing the CycleOfRevenge, especially since killing a villainous patriarch doesn't necessarily make things better for his family (e.g. the deaths of Tywin and Craster).
** An entire room full of people all collapsing from being poisoned ''[[OneDoseFitsAll at the same time]]'' and ''[[RuleOfDrama on dramatic cue]]'' is [[BlackComedy as funny as it is horrific]]. One thinks of ''Series/{{Blackadder}}''.

to:

* Arya's AesopAmnesia of implying that the Freys' big mistake was failing to KillEmAll... [[{{Hypocrite}} in the midst of poisoning]] ''[[{{Hypocrite}} only]]'' [[{{Hypocrite}} the]] ''[[{{Hypocrite}} adult men]]'' [[{{Hypocrite}} of House Frey]]. Yes, the [[FemalesAreMoreInnocent women weren't directly responsible]] for the Red Wedding, but that isn't the argument Arya was making, making and it doesn't preclude some young Frey boy or girl from continuing the CycleOfRevenge, especially since killing a villainous patriarch doesn't necessarily make things better for his family (e.g. the deaths of Tywin and Craster).
** An entire room full of people all collapsing from being poisoned ''[[OneDoseFitsAll all at the same time]]'' and ''[[RuleOfDrama on dramatic cue]]'' is [[BlackComedy as funny as it is horrific]]. One thinks of ''Series/{{Blackadder}}''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* The House of Black and White’s employment policy is just baffling. Last season Arya ignored a contract, stole a face and killed someone she wasn’t meant to; for that she got blinded and kicked out into the street. This season she gets a second chance, and promptly botches it again, telling the mark that she’s been targeted. The Waif promptly goes to kill her, and winds up dead instead. So now Arya has botched ‘’two’’ hits and ‘’killed one of the House’s agents’’, yet when she shows up in the crypts to tell Jaqen that the Waif is dead and she will not be indoctrinated and will return to Westeros instead, he just...grins and lets her go? And the Faceless Men just never bother her again! Maybe Arya got a great union rep.

to:

* The House of Black and White’s employment policy is just baffling. Last season Arya ignored a contract, stole a face and killed someone she wasn’t meant to; for that she got blinded and kicked out into the street. This season she gets a second chance, and promptly botches it again, telling the mark that she’s been targeted. The Waif promptly goes to kill her, and winds up dead instead. So now Arya has botched ‘’two’’ ''two'' hits and ‘’killed ''killed one of the House’s agents’’, agents'', yet when she shows up in the crypts to tell Jaqen that the Waif is dead and she will not be indoctrinated and will return to Westeros instead, he just...grins and lets her go? And the Faceless Men just never bother her again! Maybe Arya got a great union rep.


Added DiffLines:

* Jon protests that he “doesn’t know how to ride a dragon”, and Daenerys’s response is “nobody does, until they ride a dragon”. While this could have been humorous, Emilia Clarke puts as little effort into the line as possible and puts the only mild emphasis on the final word, rather than “ride”, making it sound like dragons are an optional part of the process.

Top