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* In ''FanFic/GrimTalesFromDownBelow'', Mandy [[spoiler:masterminds 9/11, Operation Freedom, Hurricane Katrina and Crash 38 in an attempt to win Grim's affections.]].
*** Despite the controversy, when Bleedman held a poll over whether or not to take down the page showing this crossing of the MEH, fans voted to keep it up.
** It's been shown that [[spoiler:Grim caused most of the tragedies of history. Collecting the souls of the dead is one thing, but engineering tragedy and suffering is quite another. If he's responsible for the holocaust, that puts him far over the horizon as well.]] Though Grim is ''TheGrimReaper'' and most likely is ''required'' to do such things, possibly putting his actions under BlueAndOrangeMorality.

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* In ''FanFic/GrimTalesFromDownBelow'', Mandy [[spoiler:masterminds 9/11, Operation Freedom, Hurricane Katrina ''Webcomic/AmazingAgentJennifer'', Jennifer's parents definitely have crossed it in the "Coming Home" arc. Jennifer chooses a career path that is not the family business, and Crash 38 in an attempt to win Grim's affections.]].
*** Despite
her father Benjiro turns his back on her, saying she turned her back on the controversy, family and the family business, saying Jennifer broke her mother's heart when Bleedman held a poll over whether or not to take down the page showing this crossing of the MEH, fans voted to keep it up.
** It's been shown that [[spoiler:Grim caused most of the tragedies of history. Collecting the souls of the dead is one thing, but engineering tragedy and suffering is quite another. If he's responsible
she didn't come home for the holocaust, holidays 3 years before the arc, at which point his FantasyForbiddingFather attitude had already driven her away, and refused to show up for her graduation, and actually ''forbid'' his wife to attend to the ceremony, and when he finds out Jennifer's mother ''did'' attend to the ceremony, she tries to pretend she wasn't there, and after shit hits the fan, Jennifer's mother accused ''her'' of "tearing the family apart". And in Jennifer's words, they wouldn't even try to make things right or listen to her. And as the final [[KickTheDog kick in the dog's gut]], Benjiro outright calls Jennifer a ''disgrace''. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, she's a disgrace for not being their puppet robot, good at running the "family business" and choosing to live her life on her own terms instead. Parents of the year...]] And years later, in the [[Manga/AmazingAgentLuna series]] that puts him far over the horizon as well.]] Though Grim ''Jennifer'' is ''TheGrimReaper'' and most likely is ''required'' a prequel to, they try to do such things, possibly putting his actions sweep all of this under BlueAndOrangeMorality.the rug as if nothing had happened.
* In ''CaptainSNES'', Mother Brain crosses this when she shoves Duke into the Omega Gate, thereby introducing permanent death into a world that had extra lives, continues, and save points.
* Joel Calley of ''{{Webcomic/Concession}}'' definitely crosses the Moral Event Horizon during the various acts of his complicated revenge plot. Among the worst are causing a child's parents to die in a car crash and giving his friend Artie cancer in order to kill him.



* In ''ScaryGoRound'', former DesignatedHero Rachel Dukakis-Monteforte's psychopathic jealousy of universally popular heroine Shelley Winters finally drives her to arrange Shelley's death via [[AllBikersAreHellsAngels biker gang]]. The author confirms her crossing of the M.E.H. by having her sell her soul to the devil and [[PutOnABus skip town]]. When she returns a few years later, it's only to have [[DroppedABridgeOnHim a bridge dropped on her]].
* In @/MrDeath's now finished ''[[http://as.crowdedstreet.net/Something/ Something!]]'', largely a retelling of ''MegaManX 4'' and ''MegaManX 5'', [[TheMole Double]], who had been established as a villain, but had mainly been the butt of jokes, ended up crossing the line in the eyes of the comic's readership when it was revealed he was the one who sent Iris to her PlotlineDeath. The incident changed the outlook, in general, from "I can't wait to see the fight with him!" to "Sonuvabitch needs to ''die''."
* Admiral Blake in ''{{Terinu}}''. Supervising Terinu's arrest and detention in a biological research lab? Decidedly unpleasant. Arranging for his daughter Leeza to be fired from her job and forcing her into being the boy's guardian after she rescues him from said facility? Definitely not good. [[spoiler:Having Leeza arrested and ordering Terinu's assassination to cover up a centuries-old act of genocide?]] The readers were howling for his blood.
* {{Subverted}}, after a fashion, in ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance'' when Aylee has a FaceHeelTurn, and attacks the MainCharacters' Halloween party. She doesn't actually kill anyone, but she makes it perfectly clear that she ''could'', taunts Riff at how helpless he was at protecting anyone, and threatens to do it for real if he meddles in her affairs again. The subversion comes when we find out [[spoiler:that this wasn't actually Aylee, but an evil clone instead]].
** Played straight by Dr. Schlock when he [[spoiler:orders the '''murder''' of Feng]] in front of Oasis to try and get her to cooperate. And it can't be blamed on the Fate Spider either, as it is revealed by him that if [[spoiler:Feng had not been manipulated into going there, then Schlock would have ordered Kusari to murder Ms. Zalia in front of her own daughter instead.]] He went from an affable, IneffectualSympatheticVillain (or possibly AntiVillain) who was always on the run to the BigBad of the strip's MythArc. [[spoiler:Murdering Feng]] just sealed the deal that he can never go back.
* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', we got an example that was more subtle than most, but still important, in the flashback to the Court's early history. DoggedNiceGuy / StalkerWithACrush Diego reacts to his vehement rejection by Jeanne by [[spoiler:nominating her as the sacrifice for a plan to "protect" the Court from the magical influences of Gillitie Wood.]] Even after ''that'', he still had groups of people who insisted it was just a misguided plan to play hero, that he really didn't mean it, or even that Jeanne ''deserved'' it, [[spoiler:until the next page went up, wherein Diego ''[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=657 smiles at an unknowing Jeanne's fear]] of being sent down into the ravine.'']] After that, even the people who'd previously defended him wanted him dead.
** One could argue that [[spoiler:Coyote]] launches himself over it at warp speed towards the end of Chapter 39, when [[spoiler:he [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1077 manipulates Ysengrin into attacking Annie]]]], then follows that lovely act up by [[spoiler:[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1091 wiping an unwilling Ysengrin's memory]] after the fact.]] In one update, he goes from [[spoiler:"lovable maniac"]] to "terrifying, amoral monster." Most fans are likely never going to look at him the same way again.

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* In ''ScaryGoRound'', former DesignatedHero Rachel Dukakis-Monteforte's psychopathic jealousy of universally popular heroine Shelley Winters finally drives her to arrange Shelley's death via [[AllBikersAreHellsAngels biker gang]]. The author confirms her crossing One of the M.E.H. by having her sell her soul to remarkable things about the devil and [[PutOnABus skip town]]. When she returns a few years later, it's only to have [[DroppedABridgeOnHim a bridge dropped on her]].
* In @/MrDeath's now finished ''[[http://as.crowdedstreet.net/Something/ Something!]]'', largely a retelling of ''MegaManX 4'' and ''MegaManX 5'', [[TheMole Double]], who had been established as a villain, but had mainly been the butt of jokes, ended up crossing the line
writing in the eyes of the comic's readership when it was revealed he was the one who sent Iris to her PlotlineDeath. The incident changed the outlook, in general, from "I can't wait to see the fight with him!" to "Sonuvabitch needs to ''die''."
* Admiral Blake in ''{{Terinu}}''. Supervising Terinu's arrest and detention in a biological research lab? Decidedly unpleasant. Arranging for his daughter Leeza to be fired from her job and forcing her into being the boy's guardian after she rescues him from said facility? Definitely not good. [[spoiler:Having Leeza arrested and ordering Terinu's assassination to cover up a centuries-old act of genocide?]] The
ErrantStory is that many readers were howling for his blood.
* {{Subverted}}, after a fashion, in ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance''
still undecided about whether Ian's actions were evil when Aylee has a FaceHeelTurn, he started trying to genocide the [[PayEvilUntoEvil entire Elven race]], due to what they'd done to the Half-Elves. Others thought the genocide was definitely evil, but were sympathetic to his motives and attacks the MainCharacters' Halloween party. She doesn't actually kill anyone, but she makes it perfectly clear that she ''could'', taunts Riff at how helpless he was at protecting anyone, and threatens to do it for real wondered if he meddles in her affairs again. The subversion comes when we find out [[spoiler:that this could be brought back to his senses. Ultimately, it wasn't actually Aylee, but an evil clone instead]].
** Played straight by Dr. Schlock when he [[spoiler:orders the '''murder''' of Feng]] in front of Oasis to try and get her to cooperate. And it can't be blamed on the Fate Spider either, as it is revealed by him
so much any one specific bad thing Ian did that if [[spoiler:Feng had not been manipulated into going there, then Schlock would have ordered Kusari to murder Ms. Zalia in front of her own daughter instead.]] He went from an affable, IneffectualSympatheticVillain (or possibly AntiVillain) who showed he was always on the run to the BigBad of the strip's MythArc. [[spoiler:Murdering Feng]] just sealed the deal that he can never go back.
* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', we got an example that was more subtle than most,
beyond recovery, but still important, in the flashback to the Court's early history. DoggedNiceGuy / StalkerWithACrush Diego reacts to his vehement rejection by Jeanne by [[spoiler:nominating her as the sacrifice for a plan to "protect" the Court from the magical influences of Gillitie Wood.]] Even after ''that'', he still had groups of people who insisted it was just a misguided plan to play hero, that he really didn't mean it, or even that Jeanne ''deserved'' it, [[spoiler:until the next page went up, wherein Diego ''[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=657 smiles at an unknowing Jeanne's fear]] of being sent down into the ravine.'']] After that, even the people who'd previously defended him wanted him dead.
** One could argue that [[spoiler:Coyote]] launches himself over it at warp speed towards the end of Chapter 39, when [[spoiler:he
[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1077 manipulates Ysengrin into attacking Annie]]]], then follows errantstory.com/2011-11-03/5322 this rant]] as his plans unraveled.
** In story, many of the people who know Ian consider his attempted SuicideByCop
that lovely act up by [[spoiler:[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1091 wiping an unwilling Ysengrin's memory]] after the fact.]] In one update, he goes from [[spoiler:"lovable maniac"]] to "terrifying, amoral monster." Most fans are likely never going to look at him the same way again. destroyed a city his Moral Event Horizon.



* "Webcomic/{{Housepets}}" has Pete, a recently freed griffin with supernatural powers, who recently gave a former member of [[AnimalWrongsGroup PETA]] a KarmicTransformation into a dog. This was seen as an interesting twist, and King, as he's now called, has become a fan favorite for being complicated, adorable, and the Grumpy Bear of the cast. Except that on the conclusion of the Chrismas ark, Pete informed King that [[spoiler:he has no intention of changing King back into a human.]] [[HilarityEnsues Horror ensued.]]
* Xykon in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' zombified his grandmother and several other people, then had them kill his parents. After that, he was your basic stereotypical villain, doing evil things for no other reason than he can. He didn't really have a Moral Event Horizon, because he was a evil horror since birth who thinks morals or even a reason for what you do is for pussies. As for what he did on the top of the page, a group of paladins were standing against him, ready to fight to the death, and he threw a super bouncy ball with a Symbol of Insanity inscribed on it, causing them to go mad and slaughter each other. Only a few of them didn't go insane, on virtue of not seeing the ball, and the only one of them that survived was paralyzed by Xykon, so he would be ForcedToWatch him zombify his dead friends. To give you the full quote of what Xykon said:
--> '''Xykon''': I tell you, Ugly, [[HopeSpot nothing's funnier than false hope]]. You really thought you had a chance there for a second. I mean, sure, I could've just blasted you all from above with fire and lightning and such... but I've always felt that when it's really important, it's worth it to go that extra mile. Don't you agree?
*** And just to really punch the reader in the gut, one Sapphire Guard is left atop the carnage, screaming "MyGodWhatHaveIDone Forgive me!", before committing [[{{Seppuku}} suicide]].
** Redcloak himself isn't as bad as his boss Xykon, but he also crosses the horizon when he murders his brother Right-Eye simply so that he can fulfill his plans of The Dark One gaining control of the Snarl.
*** To say he killed Righteye "simply" to fulfil the plan might be a bit harsh. He had by that point invested the better part of his (for a goblin, substantial)lifespan and sacrifice too much into the plan [[superscript:2 The plan being to blackmail the god into giving the goblins a fair deal]] to simply stop. Still a moral event horizon though.
** Vaarsuvius while [[spoiler:under the influence of the soul splice]] could count. On the one hand, it allowed them to [[spoiler:save their family from a black dragon seeking revenge]], but on the other hand, [[spoiler:casting Familicide was arguably taking things a step too far, especially since it went as far as to kill every being that had the blood of a black dragon in their veins, including Girard's kin.]] To make things even worse, it's later stated that [[spoiler:the soul splice didn't have an effect; V willfully committed genocide against an entire race of their own free will.]] [[HeroicBSOD Needless to say, V didn't take this fact well.]]
*** Since then, Vaarsuvius has taken part in torturing a prisoner. Without any such excuse as V had for the above.

* Veithel of {{Juathuur}} thinks she is past that [[spoiler:because she deserted the Juathuur, getting her master blinded in the process, and making everyone believe she was dead.]]
* Jack Noir of ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' has gone from ObstructiveBureaucrat right through OneWingedAngel. Listing all his atrocities would fill up a decent chunk of this page with spoiler text. [[spoiler:Despite his murderous desires, though, Bec's prototyping prevents him from killing Jade personally.]]
** Fans debate quite a bit as to whether Vriska has crossed this or not. Some viewers believe that she gleefully swan-dived over the line back when [[spoiler:she mind-controlled Tavros into jumping off a cliff]] and has only gone deeper since then, and some viewers think that she can still be redeemed. Given that she's easily [[BaseBreaker the most divisive character in the series]], this argument is not surprising.
*** And given that the author has [[WordOfGod said outright]] that Vriska's [[BaseBreaker status]] is intentional and [[TrollingCreator he does it to mess with the fanbase]], it's equally unsurprising that he pulled an even more confusing possible-example with her later when she [[spoiler:kills Tavros]]: she does something awful, then immediately goes into full-on PetTheDog mode.
** Eridan has the distinction of crossing the MoralEventHorizon AND the DespairEventHorizon at the same moment. [[spoiler:Convinced that there's no hope left for the Trolls, he defects to join Jack Noir, killing Feferi, Kanaya, and his species' last chance for revival in the space of about two minutes. And in a good part, it's for a really petty reason: Feferi decided to not be his moirail anymore, due to being emotionally exhausted after having to keep him in check.]]
** While Doc Scratch does work for the comic's BiggerBad, Lord English, he always acted more AffablyEvil. Then we saw how he treated Aradia's ancestor, the Handmaid. [[spoiler:Nearly suffocating her, beating her with a broom, keeping her alive for the sole purpose of using her to make her home planet a CrapsackWorld, and finally, setting her up to be murdered by her successor.]] Yikes. By the last point, [[spoiler:she had been asking for death for millennia, begging for her slavery to Lord English to end]].
** [[spoiler:Caliborn]] gleefully killing [[spoiler:his own split personality/sister Calliope's dream self]], then laughing his ass off when the Alpha Kids are apparently slaughtered by Red Miles, make it pretty easy to believe that he is [[spoiler:Lord English's past self.]]
*** Also, he mercilessly guns down the first living creature that he sees in his entire life, [[spoiler:Gamzee]], made worse when later flashbacks reveal that [[spoiler:Gamzee]] raised both him and his sister from infancy.
*** Later, he seems to find intense pleasure in informing Jane of [[spoiler:her father's supposed horrific, torturous death in the prisons of Derse]], on her birthday no less. This didn't actually happen, but the thought of it is enough to drive her to tears.
** Grimbark!Jade [[spoiler: kicks WV off a ledge with full intent for him to die horribly in the lava below. He doesn't die and she is mind controlled at the time, but still...]]
** Aranea [[spoiler: drops a house on Jade to prevent her from going Grimbark a second time, then manipul8tes the God Tier clock into giving her a Just death just as it appears she might revive, killing her for real as a result.]]



* [[spoiler:Ari]] from ''{{Panthera}}'' when he [[spoiler:kills Valeska]]. He ''was'' considered a WellIntentionedExtremist, upset over the death of his wife, until then, but now....
* In [[http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2006-04-07 this]] ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'' strip and the previous one, Petey {{discusse|dTrope}}s this trope with someone he prevented from crossing the line.
** [[http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2011-06-30 After taking a look]] via spy cams in [[MadDoctor Dr.Pau's]] facility, [[spoiler:Kathryn]] evaluates the new information:
-->'''[[spoiler:Kathryn]]''': ''[[BodyHorror Uuggh!]]'' Hmph. Well, the good news is that I can now start killing and not feel in the least bit guilty. The bad news is I'm not going to feel the least bit guilty about the killing I'm about to do.

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* [[spoiler:Ari]] from ''{{Panthera}}'' In GeneralProtectionFault, Ki stood by her fiance Sam, even as almost certainly true rumors of him cheating on her spread. When she [[spoiler:decided to have sex with him, only to be unable to go through with it, he tried to rape her in a fit of rage]]. When he came to apologize, she told him that she would not be able to forgive him for that, and returned his engagement ring, breaking up with him in the process.
** Nega-Nick is already an EvilOverlord who [[YouHaveFailedMe kills underlings for their failures]], but crosses the line
when he [[spoiler:kills Valeska]]. He ''was'' considered a WellIntentionedExtremist, upset [[spoiler:tortures Nega-Ki, his accomplice in taking over the world, in front of Nick to force him to build Project Velociraptor so that he can use the [=MuTEX=] to escape, and once Nick caves in, threatens to torture a prisoner to death in front of his wife, until then, but now....
* In [[http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2006-04-07 this]] ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'' strip and the previous one, Petey {{discusse|dTrope}}s this trope with someone
him for every hour he prevented wastes. [[FridgeHorror Considering that external forces are preventing Nick from crossing the line.
** [[http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2011-06-30 After taking a look]] via spy cams in [[MadDoctor Dr.Pau's]] facility, [[spoiler:Kathryn]] evaluates the new information:
-->'''[[spoiler:Kathryn]]''': ''[[BodyHorror Uuggh!]]'' Hmph. Well, the good news is that I can now start killing and not feel in the least bit guilty. The bad news is I'm not going
using Velociraptor, one has to feel the least bit guilty about the killing I'm about to do.wonder what would have happened if his friends hadn't shown up]].]]



* Kyle in ''SomethingPositive'', [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp05242004.shtml here.]] Bad enough that he's a misogynistic jerk, worse that he's cheating on a member of the cast, but what completely pushes him over the line is that he's bragging to a reforming JerkAss who would move heaven and earth to have the woman Kyle's discarding. His [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp10292004.shtml comeuppance]] delighted the bulk of the comic's notoriously UnpleasableFanbase.
* While the protagonists of SuicideForHire spend a lot of time on the far side of the MoralEventHorizon, many (if not most) of their clientele also cross that line...
** Autumn, the StalkerWithACrush who [[spoiler:tries to kill the girl her crush is taking to the dance]], for example.
** Or, in the "Ty and Rosaline" arc, [[spoiler:Ty not only abuses his loving wife repeatedly, but drives her to contact SuicideForHire...and, after her suicide, makes the fatal mistake of contacting them himself to arrange ''his'' suicide... and demonstrates a complete lack of interest for his wife's last message. They do...oh, don't they just!]]
* In GeneralProtectionFault, Ki stood by her fiance Sam, even as almost certainly true rumors of him cheating on her spread. When she [[spoiler:decided to have sex with him, only to be unable to go through with it, he tried to rape her in a fit of rage]]. When he came to apologize, she told him that she would not be able to forgive him for that, and returned his engagement ring, breaking up with him in the process.
** Nega-Nick is already an EvilOverlord who [[YouHaveFailedMe kills underlings for their failures]], but crosses the line when he [[spoiler:tortures Nega-Ki, his accomplice in taking over the world, in front of Nick to force him to build Project Velociraptor so that he can use the [=MuTEX=] to escape, and once Nick caves in, threatens to torture a prisoner to death in front of him for every hour he wastes. [[FridgeHorror Considering that external forces are preventing Nick from using Velociraptor, one has to wonder what would have happened if his friends hadn't shown up]].]]



* In ''CaptainSNES'', Mother Brain crosses this when she shoves Duke into the Omega Gate, thereby introducing permanent death into a world that had extra lives, continues, and save points.
* One of the remarkable things about the writing in ErrantStory is that many readers were still undecided about whether Ian's actions were evil when he started trying to genocide the [[PayEvilUntoEvil entire Elven race]], due to what they'd done to the Half-Elves. Others thought the genocide was definitely evil, but were sympathetic to his motives and wondered if he could be brought back to his senses. Ultimately, it wasn't so much any one specific bad thing Ian did that showed he was beyond recovery, but [[http://www.errantstory.com/2011-11-03/5322 this rant]] as his plans unraveled.
** In story, many of the people who know Ian consider his attempted SuicideByCop that destroyed a city his Moral Event Horizon.
* [[spoiler:Jamie's mother]] from ''KhaosKomix'' crosses it when [[spoiler:she forces Jamie (who was at the time probably around 5/6) to wash himself in scalding hot water to cleanse himself for the crime of simple curiosity.]]
** She officially crosses it when it turns out [[spoiler:she knew Jamie was raped and did nothing to stop it.]]
** Natalie Geln, whilst never nice (Her first appearance is her as a five-year-old bullying Charlie for wearing women's clothing), crosses it when she [[spoiler:orders her gang to rape Charlie's FTM transexual friend Tom.]]

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* In ''CaptainSNES'', Mother Brain crosses ''FanFic/GrimTalesFromDownBelow'', Mandy [[spoiler:masterminds 9/11, Operation Freedom, Hurricane Katrina and Crash 38 in an attempt to win Grim's affections.]].
*** Despite the controversy, when Bleedman held a poll over whether or not to take down the page showing
this when she shoves Duke crossing of the MEH, fans voted to keep it up.
** It's been shown that [[spoiler:Grim caused most of the tragedies of history. Collecting the souls of the dead is one thing, but engineering tragedy and suffering is quite another. If he's responsible for the holocaust, that puts him far over the horizon as well.]] Though Grim is ''TheGrimReaper'' and most likely is ''required'' to do such things, possibly putting his actions under BlueAndOrangeMorality.
* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', we got an example that was more subtle than most, but still important, in the flashback to the Court's early history. DoggedNiceGuy / StalkerWithACrush Diego reacts to his vehement rejection by Jeanne by [[spoiler:nominating her as the sacrifice for a plan to "protect" the Court from the magical influences of Gillitie Wood.]] Even after ''that'', he still had groups of people who insisted it was just a misguided plan to play hero, that he really didn't mean it, or even that Jeanne ''deserved'' it, [[spoiler:until the next page went up, wherein Diego ''[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=657 smiles at an unknowing Jeanne's fear]] of being sent down
into the Omega Gate, thereby introducing permanent death into a world that had extra lives, continues, and save points.
*
ravine.'']] After that, even the people who'd previously defended him wanted him dead.
**
One of the remarkable things about the writing in ErrantStory is that many readers were still undecided about whether Ian's actions were evil when he started trying to genocide the [[PayEvilUntoEvil entire Elven race]], due to what they'd done to the Half-Elves. Others thought the genocide was definitely evil, but were sympathetic to his motives and wondered if he could be brought back to his senses. Ultimately, it wasn't so much any one specific bad thing Ian did argue that showed he was beyond recovery, but [[spoiler:Coyote]] launches himself over it at warp speed towards the end of Chapter 39, when [[spoiler:he [[http://www.errantstory.com/2011-11-03/5322 gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1077 manipulates Ysengrin into attacking Annie]]]], then follows that lovely act up by [[spoiler:[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1091 wiping an unwilling Ysengrin's memory]] after the fact.]] In one update, he goes from [[spoiler:"lovable maniac"]] to "terrifying, amoral monster." Most fans are likely never going to look at him the same way again.
* Jack Noir of ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' has gone from ObstructiveBureaucrat right through OneWingedAngel. Listing all his atrocities would fill up a decent chunk of
this rant]] as page with spoiler text. [[spoiler:Despite his plans unraveled.
** In story, many of the people who know Ian consider his attempted SuicideByCop that destroyed a city his Moral Event Horizon.
* [[spoiler:Jamie's mother]]
murderous desires, though, Bec's prototyping prevents him from ''KhaosKomix'' crosses it when [[spoiler:she forces Jamie (who was at the time probably around 5/6) to wash himself in scalding hot water to cleanse himself for the crime of simple curiosity.killing Jade personally.]]
** She officially crosses it Fans debate quite a bit as to whether Vriska has crossed this or not. Some viewers believe that she gleefully swan-dived over the line back when it turns out [[spoiler:she knew Jamie was raped mind-controlled Tavros into jumping off a cliff]] and did nothing has only gone deeper since then, and some viewers think that she can still be redeemed. Given that she's easily [[BaseBreaker the most divisive character in the series]], this argument is not surprising.
*** And given that the author has [[WordOfGod said outright]] that Vriska's [[BaseBreaker status]] is intentional and [[TrollingCreator he does it
to stop it.mess with the fanbase]], it's equally unsurprising that he pulled an even more confusing possible-example with her later when she [[spoiler:kills Tavros]]: she does something awful, then immediately goes into full-on PetTheDog mode.
** Eridan has the distinction of crossing the MoralEventHorizon AND the DespairEventHorizon at the same moment. [[spoiler:Convinced that there's no hope left for the Trolls, he defects to join Jack Noir, killing Feferi, Kanaya, and his species' last chance for revival in the space of about two minutes. And in a good part, it's for a really petty reason: Feferi decided to not be his moirail anymore, due to being emotionally exhausted after having to keep him in check.
]]
** Natalie Geln, whilst never nice (Her While Doc Scratch does work for the comic's BiggerBad, Lord English, he always acted more AffablyEvil. Then we saw how he treated Aradia's ancestor, the Handmaid. [[spoiler:Nearly suffocating her, beating her with a broom, keeping her alive for the sole purpose of using her to make her home planet a CrapsackWorld, and finally, setting her up to be murdered by her successor.]] Yikes. By the last point, [[spoiler:she had been asking for death for millennia, begging for her slavery to Lord English to end]].
** [[spoiler:Caliborn]] gleefully killing [[spoiler:his own split personality/sister Calliope's dream self]], then laughing his ass off when the Alpha Kids are apparently slaughtered by Red Miles, make it pretty easy to believe that he is [[spoiler:Lord English's past self.]]
*** Also, he mercilessly guns down the
first appearance is living creature that he sees in his entire life, [[spoiler:Gamzee]], made worse when later flashbacks reveal that [[spoiler:Gamzee]] raised both him and his sister from infancy.
*** Later, he seems to find intense pleasure in informing Jane of [[spoiler:her father's supposed horrific, torturous death in the prisons of Derse]], on
her birthday no less. This didn't actually happen, but the thought of it is enough to drive her to tears.
** Grimbark!Jade [[spoiler: kicks WV off a ledge with full intent for him to die horribly in the lava below. He doesn't die and she is mind controlled at the time, but still...]]
** Aranea [[spoiler: drops a house on Jade to prevent her from going Grimbark a second time, then manipul8tes the God Tier clock into giving her a Just death just as it appears she might revive, killing her for real
as a five-year-old bullying Charlie result.]]
* "Webcomic/{{Housepets}}" has Pete, a recently freed griffin with supernatural powers, who recently gave a former member of [[AnimalWrongsGroup PETA]] a KarmicTransformation into a dog. This was seen as an interesting twist, and King, as he's now called, has become a fan favorite
for wearing women's clothing), crosses it when she [[spoiler:orders her gang to rape Charlie's FTM transexual friend Tom.being complicated, adorable, and the Grumpy Bear of the cast. Except that on the conclusion of the Chrismas ark, Pete informed King that [[spoiler:he has no intention of changing King back into a human.]] [[HilarityEnsues Horror ensued.]]



* Joel Calley of ''{{Webcomic/Concession}}'' definitely crosses the Moral Event Horizon during the various acts of his complicated revenge plot. Among the worst are causing a child's parents to die in a car crash and giving his friend Artie cancer in order to kill him.
* In ''Webcomic/AmazingAgentJennifer'', Jennifer's parents definitely have crossed it in the "Coming Home" arc. Jennifer chooses a career path that is not the family business, and her father Benjiro turns his back on her, saying she turned her back on the family and the family business, saying Jennifer broke her mother's heart when she didn't come home for the holidays 3 years before the arc, at which point his FantasyForbiddingFather attitude had already driven her away, and refused to show up for her graduation, and actually ''forbid'' his wife to attend to the ceremony, and when he finds out Jennifer's mother ''did'' attend to the ceremony, she tries to pretend she wasn't there, and after shit hits the fan, Jennifer's mother accused ''her'' of "tearing the family apart". And in Jennifer's words, they wouldn't even try to make things right or listen to her. And as the final [[KickTheDog kick in the dog's gut]], Benjiro outright calls Jennifer a ''disgrace''. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, she's a disgrace for not being their puppet robot, good at running the "family business" and choosing to live her life on her own terms instead. Parents of the year...]] And years later, in the [[Manga/AmazingAgentLuna series]] that ''Jennifer'' is a prequel to, they try to sweep all of this under the rug as if nothing had happened.

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* Joel Calley Veithel of ''{{Webcomic/Concession}}'' definitely {{Juathuur}} thinks she is past that [[spoiler:because she deserted the Juathuur, getting her master blinded in the process, and making everyone believe she was dead.]]
* [[spoiler:Jamie's mother]] from ''KhaosKomix'' crosses it when [[spoiler:she forces Jamie (who was at the time probably around 5/6) to wash himself in scalding hot water to cleanse himself for the crime of simple curiosity.]]
** She officially crosses it when it turns out [[spoiler:she knew Jamie was raped and did nothing to stop it.]]
** Natalie Geln, whilst never nice (Her first appearance is her as a five-year-old bullying Charlie for wearing women's clothing), crosses it when she [[spoiler:orders her gang to rape Charlie's FTM transexual friend Tom.]]
* Xykon in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' zombified his grandmother and several other people, then had them kill his parents. After that, he was your basic stereotypical villain, doing evil things for no other reason than he can. He didn't really have a Moral Event Horizon, because he was a evil horror since birth who thinks morals or even a reason for what you do is for pussies. As for what he did on the top of the page, a group of paladins were standing against him, ready to fight to the death, and he threw a super bouncy ball with a Symbol of Insanity inscribed on it, causing them to go mad and slaughter each other. Only a few of them didn't go insane, on virtue of not seeing the ball, and the only one of them that survived was paralyzed by Xykon, so he would be ForcedToWatch him zombify his dead friends. To give you the full quote of what Xykon said:
--> '''Xykon''': I tell you, Ugly, [[HopeSpot nothing's funnier than false hope]]. You really thought you had a chance there for a second. I mean, sure, I could've just blasted you all from above with fire and lightning and such... but I've always felt that when it's really important, it's worth it to go that extra mile. Don't you agree?
*** And just to really punch the reader in the gut, one Sapphire Guard is left atop the carnage, screaming "MyGodWhatHaveIDone Forgive me!", before committing [[{{Seppuku}} suicide]].
** Redcloak himself isn't as bad as his boss Xykon, but he also
crosses the Moral Event Horizon during horizon when he murders his brother Right-Eye simply so that he can fulfill his plans of The Dark One gaining control of the various acts Snarl.
*** To say he killed Righteye "simply" to fulfil the plan might be a bit harsh. He had by that point invested the better part
of his complicated revenge plot. Among (for a goblin, substantial)lifespan and sacrifice too much into the worst are causing a child's parents plan [[superscript:2 The plan being to die in a car crash and blackmail the god into giving his friend Artie cancer in order the goblins a fair deal]] to simply stop. Still a moral event horizon though.
** Vaarsuvius while [[spoiler:under the influence of the soul splice]] could count. On the one hand, it allowed them to [[spoiler:save their family from a black dragon seeking revenge]], but on the other hand, [[spoiler:casting Familicide was arguably taking things a step too far, especially since it went as far as
to kill him.
* In ''Webcomic/AmazingAgentJennifer'', Jennifer's parents definitely have crossed it in the "Coming Home" arc. Jennifer chooses a career path
every being that is not had the family business, and her father Benjiro turns his back on her, saying she turned her back on the family and the family business, saying Jennifer broke her mother's heart when she blood of a black dragon in their veins, including Girard's kin.]] To make things even worse, it's later stated that [[spoiler:the soul splice didn't come home have an effect; V willfully committed genocide against an entire race of their own free will.]] [[HeroicBSOD Needless to say, V didn't take this fact well.]]
*** Since then, Vaarsuvius has taken part in torturing a prisoner. Without any such excuse as V had
for the holidays 3 years before the arc, at which point his FantasyForbiddingFather attitude had already driven her away, and refused to show up for her graduation, and actually ''forbid'' his wife to attend to the ceremony, and above.
* [[spoiler:Ari]] from ''{{Panthera}}''
when he finds out Jennifer's mother ''did'' attend [[spoiler:kills Valeska]]. He ''was'' considered a WellIntentionedExtremist, upset over the death of his wife, until then, but now....
* In ''ScaryGoRound'', former DesignatedHero Rachel Dukakis-Monteforte's psychopathic jealousy of universally popular heroine Shelley Winters finally drives her to arrange Shelley's death via [[AllBikersAreHellsAngels biker gang]]. The author confirms her crossing of the M.E.H. by having her sell her soul
to the ceremony, devil and [[PutOnABus skip town]]. When she tries to pretend she wasn't there, and after shit hits the fan, Jennifer's mother accused ''her'' of "tearing the family apart". And in Jennifer's words, they wouldn't even try to make things right or listen to her. And as the final [[KickTheDog kick in the dog's gut]], Benjiro outright calls Jennifer returns a ''disgrace''. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, she's a disgrace for not being their puppet robot, good at running the "family business" and choosing to live her life on her own terms instead. Parents of the year...]] And few years later, it's only to have [[DroppedABridgeOnHim a bridge dropped on her]].
* In [[http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2006-04-07 this]] ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'' strip and the previous one, Petey {{discusse|dTrope}}s this trope with someone he prevented from crossing the line.
** [[http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2011-06-30 After taking a look]] via spy cams in [[MadDoctor Dr.Pau's]] facility, [[spoiler:Kathryn]] evaluates the new information:
-->'''[[spoiler:Kathryn]]''': ''[[BodyHorror Uuggh!]]'' Hmph. Well, the good news is that I can now start killing and not feel
in the [[Manga/AmazingAgentLuna series]] least bit guilty. The bad news is I'm not going to feel the least bit guilty about the killing I'm about to do.
* {{Subverted}}, after a fashion, in ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance'' when Aylee has a FaceHeelTurn, and attacks the MainCharacters' Halloween party. She doesn't actually kill anyone, but she makes it perfectly clear
that ''Jennifer'' she ''could'', taunts Riff at how helpless he was at protecting anyone, and threatens to do it for real if he meddles in her affairs again. The subversion comes when we find out [[spoiler:that this wasn't actually Aylee, but an evil clone instead]].
** Played straight by Dr. Schlock when he [[spoiler:orders the '''murder''' of Feng]] in front of Oasis to try and get her to cooperate. And it can't be blamed on the Fate Spider either, as it
is revealed by him that if [[spoiler:Feng had not been manipulated into going there, then Schlock would have ordered Kusari to murder Ms. Zalia in front of her own daughter instead.]] He went from an affable, IneffectualSympatheticVillain (or possibly AntiVillain) who was always on the run to the BigBad of the strip's MythArc. [[spoiler:Murdering Feng]] just sealed the deal that he can never go back.
* In @/MrDeath's now finished ''[[http://as.crowdedstreet.net/Something/ Something!]]'', largely
a prequel to, retelling of ''MegaManX 4'' and ''MegaManX 5'', [[TheMole Double]], who had been established as a villain, but had mainly been the butt of jokes, ended up crossing the line in the eyes of the comic's readership when it was revealed he was the one who sent Iris to her PlotlineDeath. The incident changed the outlook, in general, from "I can't wait to see the fight with him!" to "Sonuvabitch needs to ''die''."
* Kyle in ''SomethingPositive'', [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp05242004.shtml here.]] Bad enough that he's a misogynistic jerk, worse that he's cheating on a member of the cast, but what completely pushes him over the line is that he's bragging to a reforming JerkAss who would move heaven and earth to have the woman Kyle's discarding. His [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp10292004.shtml comeuppance]] delighted the bulk of the comic's notoriously UnpleasableFanbase.
* While the protagonists of SuicideForHire spend a lot of time on the far side of the MoralEventHorizon, many (if not most) of their clientele also cross that line...
** Autumn, the StalkerWithACrush who [[spoiler:tries to kill the girl her crush is taking to the dance]], for example.
** Or, in the "Ty and Rosaline" arc, [[spoiler:Ty not only abuses his loving wife repeatedly, but drives her to contact SuicideForHire...and, after her suicide, makes the fatal mistake of contacting them himself to arrange ''his'' suicide... and demonstrates a complete lack of interest for his wife's last message. They do...oh, don't
they try just!]]
* Admiral Blake in ''{{Terinu}}''. Supervising Terinu's arrest and detention in a biological research lab? Decidedly unpleasant. Arranging for his daughter Leeza
to sweep all of this under be fired from her job and forcing her into being the rug as if nothing had happened.
boy's guardian after she rescues him from said facility? Definitely not good. [[spoiler:Having Leeza arrested and ordering Terinu's assassination to cover up a centuries-old act of genocide?]] The readers were howling for his blood.
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** Drip, embodiment of the Sin of Lust, likely hurled himself across it at some point in the backstory, as we know he was a murderer and [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rapist]] in life. Then he did...[[http://www.pholph.com/strip.php?id=5&sid=1196 this.]] However, his first (chronologically speaking) crossing of the MEH would have to be when the Devil takes him back in time to murder his own parents. Not that he knows who they are, but given the sheer brutality in how he murders his father and [[http://www.pholph.com/strip.php?id=5&sid=3611 handles his mother]] (WARNING, VERY NSFW), it almost doesn't matter. (Even ''he'' is horrified by this once he [[MygGodWhatHaveIDone realises who they are!)

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** Drip, embodiment of the Sin of Lust, likely hurled himself across it at some point in the backstory, as we know he was a murderer and [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rapist]] in life. Then he did...[[http://www.pholph.com/strip.php?id=5&sid=1196 this.]] However, his first (chronologically speaking) crossing of the MEH would have to be when the Devil takes him back in time to murder his own parents. Not that he knows who they are, but given the sheer brutality in how he murders his father and [[http://www.pholph.com/strip.php?id=5&sid=3611 handles his mother]] (WARNING, VERY NSFW), it almost doesn't matter. (Even ''he'' is horrified by this once he [[MygGodWhatHaveIDone [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone realises who they are!)are]]!)
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** Drip, embodiment of the Sin of Lust, likely hurled himself across it at some point in the backstory, as we know he was a murderer and [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rapist]] in life. Then he did...[[http://www.pholph.com/strip.php?id=5&sid=1196 this.]] However, his first (chronologically speaking) crossing of the MEH would have to be when the Devil takes him back in time to murder his own parents. Not that he knows who they are, but given the sheer brutality in how he murders his father and [[http://www.pholph.com/strip.php?id=5&sid=3611 handles his mother]] (WARNING, VERY NSFW), it almost doesn't matter.

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** Drip, embodiment of the Sin of Lust, likely hurled himself across it at some point in the backstory, as we know he was a murderer and [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rapist]] in life. Then he did...[[http://www.pholph.com/strip.php?id=5&sid=1196 this.]] However, his first (chronologically speaking) crossing of the MEH would have to be when the Devil takes him back in time to murder his own parents. Not that he knows who they are, but given the sheer brutality in how he murders his father and [[http://www.pholph.com/strip.php?id=5&sid=3611 handles his mother]] (WARNING, VERY NSFW), it almost doesn't matter. (Even ''he'' is horrified by this once he [[MygGodWhatHaveIDone realises who they are!)
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* Kyle in ''SomethingPositive'', [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp05242004.shtml here.]] Bad enough that he's a misandrist jerk, worse that he's cheating on a member of the cast, but what completely pushes him over the line is that he's bragging to a reforming JerkAss who would move heaven and earth to have the woman Kyle's discarding. His [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp10292004.shtml comeuppance]] delighted the bulk of the comic's notoriously UnpleasableFanbase.

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** Eridan has the distinction of crossing the MoralEventHorizon AND the DespairEventHorizon at the same moment. [[spoiler:Convinced that there's no hope left for the Trolls, he defects to join Jack Noir, killing Feferi, Kanaya, and his species' last chance for revival in the space of about two minutes. And in a good part, it's for a really petty reason: Feferi decided to not be his moirail anymore, due to being emotionally exhausted after having to keep him in check. (And for worse, Eridan fans (and specially his fangirls) ''bash Feferi'' and blame her for this!)]]

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** Eridan has the distinction of crossing the MoralEventHorizon AND the DespairEventHorizon at the same moment. [[spoiler:Convinced that there's no hope left for the Trolls, he defects to join Jack Noir, killing Feferi, Kanaya, and his species' last chance for revival in the space of about two minutes. And in a good part, it's for a really petty reason: Feferi decided to not be his moirail anymore, due to being emotionally exhausted after having to keep him in check. (And for worse, Eridan fans (and specially his fangirls) ''bash Feferi'' and blame her for this!)]]]]
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** Vaarsuvius while he was [[spoiler:under the influence of the soul splice]] could count. On the one hand, it allowed him to [[spoiler:save his/her family from a black dragon seeking revenge]], but on the other hand, [[spoiler:casting Familicide was arguably taking things a step too far, especially since it went as far as to kill every being that had the blood of a black dragon in their veins, including Girard's kin.]] To make things even worse, it's later stated that [[spoiler:the soul splice didn't even drive him into doing this; he willfully committed genocide against an entire race of his/her own free will.]] [[HeroicBSOD Needless to say, he didn't take this fact well.]]

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** Vaarsuvius while he was [[spoiler:under the influence of the soul splice]] could count. On the one hand, it allowed him them to [[spoiler:save his/her their family from a black dragon seeking revenge]], but on the other hand, [[spoiler:casting Familicide was arguably taking things a step too far, especially since it went as far as to kill every being that had the blood of a black dragon in their veins, including Girard's kin.]] To make things even worse, it's later stated that [[spoiler:the soul splice didn't even drive him into doing this; he have an effect; V willfully committed genocide against an entire race of his/her their own free will.]] [[HeroicBSOD Needless to say, he V didn't take this fact well.]]
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** One could argue that [[spoiler:Voyote]] launches himself over it at warp speed towards the end of Chapter 39, when [[spoiler:he [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1077 manipulates Ysengrin into attacking Annie]]]], then follows that lovely act up by [[spoiler:[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1091 wiping an unwilling Ysengrin's memory]] after the fact.]] In one update, he goes from [[spoiler:"lovable maniac"]] to "terrifying, amoral monster." Most fans are likely never going to look at him the same way again.

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** One could argue that [[spoiler:Voyote]] [[spoiler:Coyote]] launches himself over it at warp speed towards the end of Chapter 39, when [[spoiler:he [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1077 manipulates Ysengrin into attacking Annie]]]], then follows that lovely act up by [[spoiler:[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1091 wiping an unwilling Ysengrin's memory]] after the fact.]] In one update, he goes from [[spoiler:"lovable maniac"]] to "terrifying, amoral monster." Most fans are likely never going to look at him the same way again.
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*** To say he killed Righteye "simply" to fulfil the plan might be a bit harsh. He had by that point invested the better part of his (for a goblin, substantial)lifespan and sacrifice too much into the plan [[superscript:2 The plan being to blackmail the god into giving the goblins a fair deal]] to simply stop. Still a moral event horizon.

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*** To say he killed Righteye "simply" to fulfil the plan might be a bit harsh. He had by that point invested the better part of his (for a goblin, substantial)lifespan and sacrifice too much into the plan [[superscript:2 The plan being to blackmail the god into giving the goblins a fair deal]] to simply stop. Still a moral event horizon.horizon though.
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*** To say he killed Righteye "simply" to fulfil the plan might be a bit harsh. He had by that point invested the better part of his (for a goblin, substantial)lifespan and sacrifice too much into the plan [[The plan being to blackmail the god into giving the goblins a fair deal superscript:2]] to simply stop. Still a moral event horizon.

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*** To say he killed Righteye "simply" to fulfil the plan might be a bit harsh. He had by that point invested the better part of his (for a goblin, substantial)lifespan and sacrifice too much into the plan [[The [[superscript:2 The plan being to blackmail the god into giving the goblins a fair deal superscript:2]] deal]] to simply stop. Still a moral event horizon.
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*** To say he killed Righteye "simply" to fulfil the plan might be a bit harsh. He had by that point invested the better part of his (for a goblin, substantial)lifespan and sacrifice too much into the plan [[The plan being to blackmail the god into giving the goblins a fair deal:2]] to simply stop. Still a moral event horizon.

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*** To say he killed Righteye "simply" to fulfil the plan might be a bit harsh. He had by that point invested the better part of his (for a goblin, substantial)lifespan and sacrifice too much into the plan [[The plan being to blackmail the god into giving the goblins a fair deal:2]] deal superscript:2]] to simply stop. Still a moral event horizon.
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*** To say he killed Righteye "simply" to fulfil the plan might be a bit harsh. He had by that point invested the better part of his (for a goblin, substantial)lifespan and sacrifice too much into the plan [[THe plan being to blackmailthe god into giving the goblins a fair deal]] to simply stop.

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* Xykon in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' zombified his grandmother and several other people, then had them kill his parents. After that, he was your basic stereotypical villain, doing evil things for no other reason than he can. He didn't really have a Moral Event Horizon, because he was a evil horror since birth who thinks morals or even a reason for what you do is for pussies. As for what he did on the top of the page, a group of paladins were standing against him, ready to fight to the death, and he threw a super bouncy ball with a Symbol of Insanity inscribed on it, causing them to go mad and slaughter each other. Only a few of them didn't go insane, on virtue of not seeing the ball, and the only one of them that survived was paralyzed by Xykon, so he would be ForcedToWatch him zombify his dead friends. To give you the full quote of what Xykon said: "I tell you, Ugly, [[HopeSpot nothing's funnier than false hope]]. You really thought you had a chance there for a second. I mean, sure, I could've just blasted you all from above with fire and lightning and such... but I've always felt that when it's really important, it's worth it to go that extra mile. Don't you agree?"

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* Xykon in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' zombified his grandmother and several other people, then had them kill his parents. After that, he was your basic stereotypical villain, doing evil things for no other reason than he can. He didn't really have a Moral Event Horizon, because he was a evil horror since birth who thinks morals or even a reason for what you do is for pussies. As for what he did on the top of the page, a group of paladins were standing against him, ready to fight to the death, and he threw a super bouncy ball with a Symbol of Insanity inscribed on it, causing them to go mad and slaughter each other. Only a few of them didn't go insane, on virtue of not seeing the ball, and the only one of them that survived was paralyzed by Xykon, so he would be ForcedToWatch him zombify his dead friends. To give you the full quote of what Xykon said: "I said:
--> '''Xykon''': I
tell you, Ugly, [[HopeSpot nothing's funnier than false hope]]. You really thought you had a chance there for a second. I mean, sure, I could've just blasted you all from above with fire and lightning and such... but I've always felt that when it's really important, it's worth it to go that extra mile. Don't you agree?"agree?
*** And just to really punch the reader in the gut, one Sapphire Guard is left atop the carnage, screaming "MyGodWhatHaveIDone, forgive me!", before committing [[{{Seppuku}} suicide]].
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** It's been shown that [[spoiler: Grim caused most of the tragedies of history. Collecting the souls of the dead is one thing, but engineering tragedy and suffering is quite another. If he's responsible for the holocaust, that puts him far over the horizon as well]] Though Grim is ''TheGrimReaper'' and most likely is ''required'' to do such things, possibly putting his actions under BlueAndOrangeMorality.
* It's debated on the forums, but Syphile from ''{{Drowtales}}'' started as a {{Jerkass}} with slight hints of JerkWithAHeartOfGold, but then she left Ariel in a room with her pet cat for a week with no provisions for the calls of nature, resulting in Fuzzy becoming very sick with Ariel unable to do anything about it. When Syphile came back and saw what had happened she blamed Ariel and took that cat away, and then when the cat bit her she slammed his head against the wall and killed him. To top it off, when Ariel was understandably upset about this Syphile beat her to make her stop crying. Earlier versions of the story had portrayed Syphile somewhat sympathetically (possibly [[UnintentionallySympathetic unintentionally]]) but this act cemented her as a total bitch in many people's minds.
** Quain'tana crossed it for many people at the realization that [[spoiler:she had ordered her own daughter raped in an attempt to conceive an heir]] and then [[spoiler:stole the baby Mel managed to have with Zhor]] on top of the many, ''many'' [[AbusiveParents horrible things]] she's done to her other children, but those particular moments seemed particularly callous and cruel compared to the others.
*** And now we have [[http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?sid=7838 this]]. Now we as the audience know that her paranoia and distrust of Mel is actually not unjustified since she's in bed with the enemy, but breaking your own daughter's arms? That's ''way'' too much. Even worse in that she originally wanted Lulianne, one of the few people Mel can call a friend, to do it, but later did the deed herself. At least [[spoiler:Syphile]] attacked her with the express intent to kill, making her death more justifiable.
** The biggest and undisputed moment in the series happened in the backstory during the Nidraa'chal War, when [[spoiler:Snadhya'rune, Sarv'swati and Zala'ess Vel'Sharen]] orchestrated the entire war and the deaths and forceful demonification of hundreds if not ''thousands'' of people in order to [[spoiler:kill their mother Val'Sharess Diva'ratrika by sealing her in her own throne room until she died, and frame their sister Sil'lice and force her into exile]]. And while a case could be made for WellIntentionedExtremist, [[spoiler:Snadhya'rune]] was sent even further beyond the horizon at the revelation that [[spoiler:[[http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?order=chapters&id=1275 she's deliberately given faulty demonic seeds to many of her followers that will slowly kill them within 25 to 50 years until only a few of her choosing are left]]]]. It's not a matter of if it's going to catch up them as when since the plot is starting to fall down around them.

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** It's been shown that [[spoiler: Grim [[spoiler:Grim caused most of the tragedies of history. Collecting the souls of the dead is one thing, but engineering tragedy and suffering is quite another. If he's responsible for the holocaust, that puts him far over the horizon as well]] well.]] Though Grim is ''TheGrimReaper'' and most likely is ''required'' to do such things, possibly putting his actions under BlueAndOrangeMorality.
* It's debated on the forums, but Syphile from ''{{Drowtales}}'' started as a {{Jerkass}} with slight hints of JerkWithAHeartOfGold, but then she left Ariel in a room with her pet cat for a week with no provisions for the calls of nature, resulting in Fuzzy becoming very sick with Ariel unable to do anything about it. When Syphile came back and saw what had happened happened, she blamed Ariel and took that cat away, and then when the cat bit her her, she slammed his head against the wall and killed him. To top it off, when Ariel was understandably upset about this this, Syphile beat her to make her stop crying. Earlier versions of the story had portrayed Syphile somewhat sympathetically (possibly [[UnintentionallySympathetic unintentionally]]) unintentionally]]), but this act cemented her as a total bitch in many people's minds.
** Quain'tana crossed it for many people at the realization that [[spoiler:she had ordered her own daughter raped in an attempt to conceive an heir]] and then [[spoiler:stole the baby Mel managed to have with Zhor]] Zhor]], on top of the many, ''many'' [[AbusiveParents horrible things]] she's done to her other children, but those particular moments seemed particularly callous and cruel compared to the others.
*** And now we have [[http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?sid=7838 this]]. Now we Now, we, as the audience audience, know that her paranoia and distrust of Mel is actually not unjustified unjustified, since she's in bed with the enemy, but breaking your own daughter's arms? That's ''way'' too much. Even worse in that she originally wanted Lulianne, one of the few people Mel can call a friend, to do it, but later did the deed herself. At least [[spoiler:Syphile]] attacked her with the express intent to kill, making her death more justifiable.
** The biggest and undisputed moment in the series happened in the backstory during the Nidraa'chal War, when [[spoiler:Snadhya'rune, Sarv'swati Sarv'swati, and Zala'ess Vel'Sharen]] orchestrated the entire war and the deaths and forceful demonification of hundreds if not ''thousands'' of people in order to [[spoiler:kill their mother Val'Sharess Diva'ratrika by sealing her in her own throne room until she died, and frame their sister Sil'lice and force her into exile]]. And while a case could be made for WellIntentionedExtremist, [[spoiler:Snadhya'rune]] was sent even further beyond the horizon at the revelation that [[spoiler:[[http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?order=chapters&id=1275 she's deliberately given faulty demonic seeds to many of her followers that will slowly kill them within 25 to 50 years until only a few of her choosing are left]]]]. It's not a matter of if ''if'' it's going to catch up them as when ''when'', since the plot is starting to fall down around them.



* Admiral Blake in ''{{Terinu}}''. Supervising Terinu's arrest and detention in a biological research lab? Decidedly unpleasant. Arranging for his daughter Leeza to be fired from her job and forcing her into being the boy's guardian after she rescues him from said facility? Definitely not good. [[spoiler: Having Leeza arrested and order Terinu's assassination to cover up a centuries-old act of genocide?]] The readers were howling for his blood.

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* Admiral Blake in ''{{Terinu}}''. Supervising Terinu's arrest and detention in a biological research lab? Decidedly unpleasant. Arranging for his daughter Leeza to be fired from her job and forcing her into being the boy's guardian after she rescues him from said facility? Definitely not good. [[spoiler: Having [[spoiler:Having Leeza arrested and order ordering Terinu's assassination to cover up a centuries-old act of genocide?]] The readers were howling for his blood.



** Played straight by Dr. Schlock when he [[spoiler:orders the '''murder''' of Feng]] in front of Oasis to try and get her to cooperate. And it can't be blamed on the Fate Spider either, as it is revealed by him that if [[spoiler:Feng had not been manipulated into going there then Schlock would have ordered Kusari to murder Ms. Zalia in front of her own daughter instead.]] He went from an affable, IneffectualSympatheticVillain (or possibly AntiVillain) who was always on the run to the BigBad of the strip's MythArc. [[spoiler:Murdering Feng]] just sealed the deal that he can never go back.
* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', we got an example that was more subtle than most, but still important, in the flashback to the Court's early history. DoggedNiceGuy / StalkerWithACrush Diego reacts to his vehement rejection by Jeanne by [[spoiler: nominating her as the sacrifice for a plan to "protect" the Court from the magical influences of Gillitie Wood.]] Even after ''that'', he still had groups of people who insisted it was just a misguided plan to play hero, that he really didn't mean it, or even that Jeanne ''deserved'' it, [[spoiler: until the next page went up, wherein Diego ''[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=657 smiles at an unknowing Jeanne's fear]] of being sent down into the ravine.'']] After that, even the people who'd previously defended him wanted him dead.
** One could argue that [[spoiler: Coyote]] launches himself over it at warp speed towards the end of Chapter 39, when [[spoiler: he [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1077 manipulates Ysengrin into attacking Annie]]]] then follows that lovely act up by [[spoiler: [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1091 wiping an unwilling Ysengrin's memory]] after the fact.]] In one update, he goes from [[spoiler:"lovable maniac"]] to "terrifying, amoral monster." Most fans are likely never going to look at him the same way again.
* Even after he'd pulled a heinous stunt like [[spoiler:utterly ''humiliating'' Ally in front of the cancer patients she was a nurse for]], Keith in ''{{Fans}}'' still had some DracoInLeatherPants status from the people who believed he was still just on his revenge kick for [[FreudianExcuse the mental torture Ally had put him through years ago.]] Then he [[spoiler: murdered Rob, who was both in love with him and was his most fervent supporter, in cold blood for the sake of power.]] Any and all sympathy vanished, and the forum unanimously cheered for an asskicking at the least.

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** Played straight by Dr. Schlock when he [[spoiler:orders the '''murder''' of Feng]] in front of Oasis to try and get her to cooperate. And it can't be blamed on the Fate Spider either, as it is revealed by him that if [[spoiler:Feng had not been manipulated into going there there, then Schlock would have ordered Kusari to murder Ms. Zalia in front of her own daughter instead.]] He went from an affable, IneffectualSympatheticVillain (or possibly AntiVillain) who was always on the run to the BigBad of the strip's MythArc. [[spoiler:Murdering Feng]] just sealed the deal that he can never go back.
* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', we got an example that was more subtle than most, but still important, in the flashback to the Court's early history. DoggedNiceGuy / StalkerWithACrush Diego reacts to his vehement rejection by Jeanne by [[spoiler: nominating [[spoiler:nominating her as the sacrifice for a plan to "protect" the Court from the magical influences of Gillitie Wood.]] Even after ''that'', he still had groups of people who insisted it was just a misguided plan to play hero, that he really didn't mean it, or even that Jeanne ''deserved'' it, [[spoiler: until [[spoiler:until the next page went up, wherein Diego ''[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=657 smiles at an unknowing Jeanne's fear]] of being sent down into the ravine.'']] After that, even the people who'd previously defended him wanted him dead.
** One could argue that [[spoiler: Coyote]] [[spoiler:Voyote]] launches himself over it at warp speed towards the end of Chapter 39, when [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1077 manipulates Ysengrin into attacking Annie]]]] Annie]]]], then follows that lovely act up by [[spoiler: [[http://www.[[spoiler:[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1091 wiping an unwilling Ysengrin's memory]] after the fact.]] In one update, he goes from [[spoiler:"lovable maniac"]] to "terrifying, amoral monster." Most fans are likely never going to look at him the same way again.
* Even after he'd pulled a heinous stunt like [[spoiler:utterly ''humiliating'' Ally in front of the cancer patients she was a nurse for]], Keith in ''{{Fans}}'' still had some DracoInLeatherPants status from the people who believed he was still just on his revenge kick for [[FreudianExcuse the mental torture Ally had put him through years ago.]] Then he [[spoiler: murdered [[spoiler:murdered Rob, who was both in love with him and was his most fervent supporter, in cold blood for the sake of power.]] Any and all sympathy vanished, and the forum unanimously cheered for an asskicking at the least.



* "Webcomic/{{Housepets}}" has Pete, a recently freed griffin with supernatural powers, who recently gave a former member of [[AnimalWrongsGroup PETA]] a KarmicTransformation into a dog. This was seen as an interesting twist, and King, as he's now called, has become a fan favorite for being complicated, adorable and the Grumpy Bear of the cast. Except that on the conclusion of the Chrismas ark, Pete informed King that [[spoiler: he has no intention of changing King back into a human.]] [[HilarityEnsues Horror ensued.]]

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* "Webcomic/{{Housepets}}" has Pete, a recently freed griffin with supernatural powers, who recently gave a former member of [[AnimalWrongsGroup PETA]] a KarmicTransformation into a dog. This was seen as an interesting twist, and King, as he's now called, has become a fan favorite for being complicated, adorable adorable, and the Grumpy Bear of the cast. Except that on the conclusion of the Chrismas ark, Pete informed King that [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he has no intention of changing King back into a human.]] [[HilarityEnsues Horror ensued.]]



** Vaarsuvius while he was [[spoiler: under the influence of the soul splice]] could count. On the one hand it allowed him to [[spoiler: save his/her family from a black dragon seeking revenge]] but on the other hand, [[spoiler: casting Familicide was arguably taking things a step too far, especially since it went as far as to kill every being that had the blood of a black dragon in their veins, including Girard's kin.]] To make things even worse, it's later stated that [[spoiler: The soul splice didn't even drive him into doing this, he willfully committed genocide against an entire race of his/her own free will.]] [[HeroicBSOD Needless to say he didn't take this fact well.]]
* Veithel of {{Juathuur}} thinks she is past that [[spoiler: because she deserted the Juathuur, getting her master blinded in the process, and making everyone believe she was dead.]]
* Jack Noir of ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' has gone from ObstructiveBureaucrat right through OneWingedAngel. Listing all his atrocities would fill up a decent chunk of this page with spoiler text. [[spoiler: Despite his murderous desires though, Bec's prototyping prevents him from killing Jade personally.]]
** Fans debate quite a bit as to whether Vriska has crossed this or not. Some viewers believe that she gleefully swan-dived over the line back when [[spoiler: she mind-controlled Tavros into jumping off a cliff]] and has only gone deeper since then, and some viewers think that she can still be redeemed. Given that she's easily [[BaseBreaker the most divisive character in the series]], this argument is not surprising.

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** Vaarsuvius while he was [[spoiler: under [[spoiler:under the influence of the soul splice]] could count. On the one hand hand, it allowed him to [[spoiler: save [[spoiler:save his/her family from a black dragon seeking revenge]] revenge]], but on the other hand, [[spoiler: casting [[spoiler:casting Familicide was arguably taking things a step too far, especially since it went as far as to kill every being that had the blood of a black dragon in their veins, including Girard's kin.]] To make things even worse, it's later stated that [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:the soul splice didn't even drive him into doing this, this; he willfully committed genocide against an entire race of his/her own free will.]] [[HeroicBSOD Needless to say say, he didn't take this fact well.]]
* Veithel of {{Juathuur}} thinks she is past that [[spoiler: because [[spoiler:because she deserted the Juathuur, getting her master blinded in the process, and making everyone believe she was dead.]]
* Jack Noir of ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' has gone from ObstructiveBureaucrat right through OneWingedAngel. Listing all his atrocities would fill up a decent chunk of this page with spoiler text. [[spoiler: Despite [[spoiler:Despite his murderous desires desires, though, Bec's prototyping prevents him from killing Jade personally.]]
** Fans debate quite a bit as to whether Vriska has crossed this or not. Some viewers believe that she gleefully swan-dived over the line back when [[spoiler: she [[spoiler:she mind-controlled Tavros into jumping off a cliff]] and has only gone deeper since then, and some viewers think that she can still be redeemed. Given that she's easily [[BaseBreaker the most divisive character in the series]], this argument is not surprising.



** Eridan has the distinction of crossing the MoralEventHorizon AND the DespairEventHorizon at the same moment. [[spoiler: Convinced that there's no hope left for the Trolls, he defects to join Jack Noir, killing Feferi, Kanaya, and his species' last chance for revival in the space of about two minutes. And in a good part, it's for a really petty reason: Feferi decided to not be his moirail anymore, due to being emotionally exhausted after having to keep him in check. (And for worse, Eridan fans (and specially his fangirls) ''bash Feferi'' and blame her for this!)]]
** While Doc Scratch does work for the comic's BiggerBad, Lord English, he always acted more AffablyEvil. Then we saw how he treated Aradia's ancestor, the Handmaid. [[spoiler: Nearly suffocating her, beating her with a broom, keeping her alive for the sole purpose of using her to make her home planet a CrapsackWorld, and finally, setting her up to be murdered by her successor.]] Yikes. By the last point [[spoiler:she had been asking for death for millennia, begging for her slavery to Lord English to end]].
** [[spoiler: Caliborn]] gleefully killing [[spoiler: his own split personality/sister Calliope's dream self]] then laughing his ass off when the Alpha Kids are apparently slaughtered by Red Miles make it pretty easy to believe that he is [[spoiler: Lord English's past self.]]

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** Eridan has the distinction of crossing the MoralEventHorizon AND the DespairEventHorizon at the same moment. [[spoiler: Convinced [[spoiler:Convinced that there's no hope left for the Trolls, he defects to join Jack Noir, killing Feferi, Kanaya, and his species' last chance for revival in the space of about two minutes. And in a good part, it's for a really petty reason: Feferi decided to not be his moirail anymore, due to being emotionally exhausted after having to keep him in check. (And for worse, Eridan fans (and specially his fangirls) ''bash Feferi'' and blame her for this!)]]
** While Doc Scratch does work for the comic's BiggerBad, Lord English, he always acted more AffablyEvil. Then we saw how he treated Aradia's ancestor, the Handmaid. [[spoiler: Nearly [[spoiler:Nearly suffocating her, beating her with a broom, keeping her alive for the sole purpose of using her to make her home planet a CrapsackWorld, and finally, setting her up to be murdered by her successor.]] Yikes. By the last point point, [[spoiler:she had been asking for death for millennia, begging for her slavery to Lord English to end]].
** [[spoiler: Caliborn]] [[spoiler:Caliborn]] gleefully killing [[spoiler: his [[spoiler:his own split personality/sister Calliope's dream self]] self]], then laughing his ass off when the Alpha Kids are apparently slaughtered by Red Miles Miles, make it pretty easy to believe that he is [[spoiler: Lord [[spoiler:Lord English's past self.]]



*** Later, he seems to find intense pleasure in informing Jane of [[spoiler: her father's supposed horrific, torturous death in the prisons of Derse]], on her birthday no less. This didn't actually happen, but the thought of it is enough to drive her to tears.
* ''FuzzyKnights'' rather plays with this a bit. [[spoiler: Hamaestra]] has been working on his plans for years, but thus far had remained at least a TechnicalPacifist. He realizes that [[spoiler: killing The Fuzz]] will be crossing the line, and spends a strip getting completely drunk as he contemplates whether to do it or not, despite seeming completely confident when confronting his enemies later. The author's commentary included his thoughts that a lot of villains probably have times like that.
* [[spoiler: Ari]] from ''{{Panthera}}'' when he [[spoiler: kills Valeska]]. He ''was'' considered a WellIntentionedExtremist, upset over the death of his wife, until then, but now....

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*** Later, he seems to find intense pleasure in informing Jane of [[spoiler: her [[spoiler:her father's supposed horrific, torturous death in the prisons of Derse]], on her birthday no less. This didn't actually happen, but the thought of it is enough to drive her to tears.
* ''FuzzyKnights'' rather plays with this a bit. [[spoiler: Hamaestra]] [[spoiler:Hamaestra]] has been working on his plans for years, but thus far had remained at least a TechnicalPacifist. He realizes that [[spoiler: killing [[spoiler:killing The Fuzz]] will be crossing the line, and spends a strip getting completely drunk as he contemplates whether to do it or not, despite seeming completely confident when confronting his enemies later. The author's commentary included his thoughts that a lot of villains probably have times like that.
* [[spoiler: Ari]] [[spoiler:Ari]] from ''{{Panthera}}'' when he [[spoiler: kills [[spoiler:kills Valeska]]. He ''was'' considered a WellIntentionedExtremist, upset over the death of his wife, until then, but now....



** [[http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2011-06-30 After taking a look]] via spy cams in [[MadDoctor Dr.Pau's]] facility [[spoiler:Kathryn]] evaluates the new information:

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* Debatably, [[spoiler: Zola]] in Webcomic/GirlGenius had already crossed this by double-dealing and out-Eviling the Other, but after [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20101015 this]] it's not really a question of is she going to die, but whether death's enough.

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* Debatably, [[spoiler: Zola]] [[spoiler:Zola]] in Webcomic/GirlGenius had already crossed this by double-dealing and out-Eviling the Other, but after [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20101015 this]] it's not really a question of is if she is going to die, but whether death's enough.



* In GeneralProtectionFault, Ki stood by her fiance Sam even as almost certainly true rumors of him cheating on her spread. When she [[spoiler:decided to have sex with him, only to be unable to go through with it, he tried to rape her in a fit of rage]]. When he came to apologize, she told him that she would not be able to forgive him for that, and returned his engagement ring, breaking up with him in the process.

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* In GeneralProtectionFault, Ki stood by her fiance Sam Sam, even as almost certainly true rumors of him cheating on her spread. When she [[spoiler:decided to have sex with him, only to be unable to go through with it, he tried to rape her in a fit of rage]]. When he came to apologize, she told him that she would not be able to forgive him for that, and returned his engagement ring, breaking up with him in the process.



** Kore is so far past the Moral Event Horizon in his FIRST APPEARANCE. He slaughters a bar of completely innocent orcs and what not simply for the fact they're existing. Then kills a dwarf child, who was adopted by one of the orcs, simply because he was WITH the Orcs. That's nothing compared to [[ColdBloodedTorture what he does]] [[spoiler: to Chief...]]

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** Kore is so far past the Moral Event Horizon in his FIRST APPEARANCE. He slaughters a bar of completely innocent orcs and what not simply for the fact they're existing. Then kills a dwarf child, who was adopted by one of the orcs, simply because he was WITH the Orcs. That's nothing compared to [[ColdBloodedTorture what he does]] [[spoiler: to [[spoiler:to Chief...]]



* One of the remarkable things about the writing in ErrantStory is that many readers were still undecided about whether Ian's actions were evil when he started trying to genocide the [[PayEvilUntoEvil entire Elven race]], due to what they'd done to the Half-Elves. Others thought the genocide was definitely evil, but were sympathetic to his motives and wondered if he could be brought back to his senses. Ultimately it wasn't so much any one specific bad thing Ian did that showed he was beyond recovery, but [[http://www.errantstory.com/2011-11-03/5322 this rant]] as his plans unraveled.

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* One of the remarkable things about the writing in ErrantStory is that many readers were still undecided about whether Ian's actions were evil when he started trying to genocide the [[PayEvilUntoEvil entire Elven race]], due to what they'd done to the Half-Elves. Others thought the genocide was definitely evil, but were sympathetic to his motives and wondered if he could be brought back to his senses. Ultimately Ultimately, it wasn't so much any one specific bad thing Ian did that showed he was beyond recovery, but [[http://www.errantstory.com/2011-11-03/5322 this rant]] as his plans unraveled.



* [[spoiler: Jamie's mother]] from ''KhaosKomix'' crosses it when [[spoiler: she forces Jamie (Who was at the time probably around 5/6) to wash himself in scalding hot water to cleanse himself for the crime of simple curiosity.]]
** She officially crosses it when it turns out [[spoiler: She knew Jamie was raped and did nothing to stop it.]]
** Natalie Geln, whilst never nice (Her first appearance is her as a five-year-old bullying Charlie for wearing women's clothing) crosses it when she [[spoiler:Orders her gang to rape Charlie's FTM transexual friend Tom.]]

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* [[spoiler: Jamie's [[spoiler:Jamie's mother]] from ''KhaosKomix'' crosses it when [[spoiler: she [[spoiler:she forces Jamie (Who (who was at the time probably around 5/6) to wash himself in scalding hot water to cleanse himself for the crime of simple curiosity.]]
** She officially crosses it when it turns out [[spoiler: She [[spoiler:she knew Jamie was raped and did nothing to stop it.]]
** Natalie Geln, whilst never nice (Her first appearance is her as a five-year-old bullying Charlie for wearing women's clothing) clothing), crosses it when she [[spoiler:Orders [[spoiler:orders her gang to rape Charlie's FTM transexual friend Tom.]]



* In ''Webcomic/AmazingAgentJennifer'', Jennifer's parents definitely have crossed it in the "Coming Home" arc. Jennifer chooses a career path that is not the family business, and her father Benjiro turns his back on her, saying she turned his back on the family and the family business, saying Jennifer broker her mother's heart when she didn't come home for the holidays 3 years before the arc, at which point his FantasyForbiddingFather attitude had already driven her away, and refused to show up for her graduation, and actually ''forbid'' his wife to attend to the ceremony, and when he finds out Jennifer's mother ''did'' attend to the ceremony, she tries to pretend she wasn't there and after shit hits the fan, Jennifer's mother accused ''her'' of "tearing the family apart". And in Jennifer's words, they wouldn't even try to make things right or listen to her. And as the final [[KickTheDog kick in the dog's gut]], Benjiro outright calls Jennifer a ''disgrace''. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, she's a disgrace for not being their puppet robot, good at running the "family business" and choosing to live her life on her own terms instead. Parents of the year...]] And years later, in the [[Manga/AmazingAgentLuna series]] that ''Jennifer'' is a prequel to, they try to sweep all of this under the rug as if nothing had happened.

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* In ''Webcomic/AmazingAgentJennifer'', Jennifer's parents definitely have crossed it in the "Coming Home" arc. Jennifer chooses a career path that is not the family business, and her father Benjiro turns his back on her, saying she turned his her back on the family and the family business, saying Jennifer broker broke her mother's heart when she didn't come home for the holidays 3 years before the arc, at which point his FantasyForbiddingFather attitude had already driven her away, and refused to show up for her graduation, and actually ''forbid'' his wife to attend to the ceremony, and when he finds out Jennifer's mother ''did'' attend to the ceremony, she tries to pretend she wasn't there there, and after shit hits the fan, Jennifer's mother accused ''her'' of "tearing the family apart". And in Jennifer's words, they wouldn't even try to make things right or listen to her. And as the final [[KickTheDog kick in the dog's gut]], Benjiro outright calls Jennifer a ''disgrace''. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, she's a disgrace for not being their puppet robot, good at running the "family business" and choosing to live her life on her own terms instead. Parents of the year...]] And years later, in the [[Manga/AmazingAgentLuna series]] that ''Jennifer'' is a prequel to, they try to sweep all of this under the rug as if nothing had happened.
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* ''{{Jack}}'' has a multitude of characters who've hurled themselves across the MoralEventHorizon.

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** Vaarsuvius while he was [[spoiler: under the influence of the soul splice]] could count. On the one hand it allowed him to [[spoiler: save his/her family from a black dragon seeking revenge]] but on the other hand, [[spoiler: casting Familicide was arguably taking things a step too far, especially since it went as far as to kill every being that had the blood of a black dragon in their veins, including Girard's kin.]] To make things even worse, it's later stated that [[spoiler: The soul splice didn't even drive him into doing this, he willfully committed genocide against an entire race of his/her own free will.]] [[HeroicBSOD Needless to say he didn't take this fact well.]]
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*** Also, he mercilessly guns down the first living creature that he sees in his entire life [[spoiler: (Gamzee)]]

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*** Also, he mercilessly guns down the first living creature that he sees in his entire life [[spoiler: (Gamzee)]] life, [[spoiler:Gamzee]], made worse when later flashbacks reveal that [[spoiler:Gamzee]] raised both him and his sister from infancy.
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*** From the audience's point of view, if a character in ''Goblins'' qualifies for CompleteMonster status they'll have crossed the event horizon during or shortly after their first appearance. Kore by murdering the Dwarf child in cold blood just for being kidnapped by the 'evil races' and thus being 'tainted', Dellyn by carving the word 'monster' in Fumbles' head with his knife during their first torture session. [[spoiler:Psion-Minmax does this by telling Kin how he murdered her 817 times, and she remembers each of them thanks to the power of the Maze of Many, and how he intends to use the powers of the maze to wipe all all the characters currently inside completely from existence. Before killing her for the 818th time.]]

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*** From the audience's point of view, if a character in ''Goblins'' qualifies for CompleteMonster status they'll have crossed the event horizon during or shortly after their first appearance. Kore by murdering the Dwarf child in cold blood just for being kidnapped by the 'evil races' and thus being 'tainted', Dellyn by carving the word 'monster' in Fumbles' head with his knife during their first torture session. [[spoiler:Psion-Minmax does this by telling Kin how he murdered her 817 times, and she remembers each of them thanks to the power of the Maze of Many, and how he intends to use the powers of the maze to wipe all all the characters currently inside completely from existence. Before killing her for the 818th time.]]
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* In ''Webcomic/AmazingAgentJennifer'', Jennifer's parents definitely have crossed it in the "Coming Home" arc. Jennifer chooses a career path that is not the family business, and her father Benjiro turns his back on her, saying she turned his back on the family and the family business, saying Jennifer broker her mother's heart when she didn't come home for the holidays 3 years before the arc, at which point his FantasyForbiddingFather attitude had already driven her away, and refused to show up for her graduation, and actually ''forbid'' his wife to attend to the ceremony, and when he finds out Jennifer's mother ''did'' attend to the ceremony, she tries to pretend she wasn't there and after shit hits the fan, Jennifer's mother accused ''her'' of "tearing the family apart". And in Jennifer's words, they wouldn't even try to make things right or listen to her. And as the final [[KickTheDog kick in the dog's gut]], Benjiro outright calls Jennifer a ''disgrace''. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, she's a disgrace for not being their puppet robot, good at running the "family business" and choosing to life her own path instead. Parents of the year...]] And years later, in the [[Manga/AmazingAgentLuna series]] that ''Jennifer'' is a prequel to, they try to sweep all of this under the rug as if nothing had happened.

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* In ''Webcomic/AmazingAgentJennifer'', Jennifer's parents definitely have crossed it in the "Coming Home" arc. Jennifer chooses a career path that is not the family business, and her father Benjiro turns his back on her, saying she turned his back on the family and the family business, saying Jennifer broker her mother's heart when she didn't come home for the holidays 3 years before the arc, at which point his FantasyForbiddingFather attitude had already driven her away, and refused to show up for her graduation, and actually ''forbid'' his wife to attend to the ceremony, and when he finds out Jennifer's mother ''did'' attend to the ceremony, she tries to pretend she wasn't there and after shit hits the fan, Jennifer's mother accused ''her'' of "tearing the family apart". And in Jennifer's words, they wouldn't even try to make things right or listen to her. And as the final [[KickTheDog kick in the dog's gut]], Benjiro outright calls Jennifer a ''disgrace''. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, she's a disgrace for not being their puppet robot, good at running the "family business" and choosing to live her life on her own path terms instead. Parents of the year...]] And years later, in the [[Manga/AmazingAgentLuna series]] that ''Jennifer'' is a prequel to, they try to sweep all of this under the rug as if nothing had happened.
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* In ''AmazingAgentJennifer'', Jennifer's parents definitely have crossed it in the "Coming Home" arc. Jennifer chooses a career path that is not the family business, and her father Benjiro turns his back on her, saying she turned his back on the family and the family business, saying Jennifer broker her mother's heart when she didn't come home for the holidays 3 years before the arc, at which point his FantasyForbiddingFather attitude had already driven her away, and refused to show up for her graduation, and actually ''forbid'' his wife to attend to the ceremony, and when he finds out Jennifer's mother ''did'' attend to the ceremony, she tries to pretend she wasn't there and after shit hits the fan, Jennifer's mother accused ''her'' of "tearing the family apart". And in Jennifer's words, they wouldn't even try to make things right or listen to her. And as the final [[KickTheDog kick in the dog's gut]], Benjiro outright calls Jennifer a ''disgrace''. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, she's a disgrace for not being their puppet robot, good at running the "family business" and choosing to life her own path instead. Parents of the year...]] And years later, in the [[AmazingAgentLuna series]] AmazingAgentJennifer is a prequel to, they try to sweep all of this under the rug as if nothing had happened.

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* In ''AmazingAgentJennifer'', ''Webcomic/AmazingAgentJennifer'', Jennifer's parents definitely have crossed it in the "Coming Home" arc. Jennifer chooses a career path that is not the family business, and her father Benjiro turns his back on her, saying she turned his back on the family and the family business, saying Jennifer broker her mother's heart when she didn't come home for the holidays 3 years before the arc, at which point his FantasyForbiddingFather attitude had already driven her away, and refused to show up for her graduation, and actually ''forbid'' his wife to attend to the ceremony, and when he finds out Jennifer's mother ''did'' attend to the ceremony, she tries to pretend she wasn't there and after shit hits the fan, Jennifer's mother accused ''her'' of "tearing the family apart". And in Jennifer's words, they wouldn't even try to make things right or listen to her. And as the final [[KickTheDog kick in the dog's gut]], Benjiro outright calls Jennifer a ''disgrace''. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, she's a disgrace for not being their puppet robot, good at running the "family business" and choosing to life her own path instead. Parents of the year...]] And years later, in the [[AmazingAgentLuna [[Manga/AmazingAgentLuna series]] AmazingAgentJennifer that ''Jennifer'' is a prequel to, they try to sweep all of this under the rug as if nothing had happened.
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* In ''ScaryGoRound'', former DesignatedHero Rachel Dukakis-Monteforte's psychopathic jealousy of universally popular heroine Shelley Winters finally drives her to arrange Shelley's death via [[AllBikersAreHellsAngels biker gang]]. The author confirms her crossing of the M.O.E. by having her sell her soul to the devil and [[PutOnABus skip town]]. When she returns a few years later, it's only to have [[DroppedABridgeOnHim a bridge dropped on her]].
* In @/MrDeath's now finished ''[[http://as.crowdedstreet.net/Something/ Something!]]'', largely a retelling of ''MegaManX 4'' and ''MegaManX 5'', [[TheMole Double]], who had been established as a villain, but had mainly been the butt of jokes, ended up crossing the line in the eyes of the comic's readership when it was revealed he was the one who sent Iris to her PlotlineDeath. The incident changed the outlook, in general, from "I can't wait to see the fight with him" to "Sonuvabitch needs to ''die''."
* Admiral Blake in ''{{Terinu}}''. Supervising Terinu's arrest and detention in a biological research lab? Decidedly unpleasant. Arranging for his daughter Leeza to be fired from her job and forcing her into being the boy's guardian after she rescues him from said facility? Definitely not good. [[spoiler: Having Leeza arrested and order Terinu's assassination to cover up a centuries old act of genocide?]] The readers were howling for his blood.

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* In ''ScaryGoRound'', former DesignatedHero Rachel Dukakis-Monteforte's psychopathic jealousy of universally popular heroine Shelley Winters finally drives her to arrange Shelley's death via [[AllBikersAreHellsAngels biker gang]]. The author confirms her crossing of the M.O.E.H. by having her sell her soul to the devil and [[PutOnABus skip town]]. When she returns a few years later, it's only to have [[DroppedABridgeOnHim a bridge dropped on her]].
* In @/MrDeath's now finished ''[[http://as.crowdedstreet.net/Something/ Something!]]'', largely a retelling of ''MegaManX 4'' and ''MegaManX 5'', [[TheMole Double]], who had been established as a villain, but had mainly been the butt of jokes, ended up crossing the line in the eyes of the comic's readership when it was revealed he was the one who sent Iris to her PlotlineDeath. The incident changed the outlook, in general, from "I can't wait to see the fight with him" him!" to "Sonuvabitch needs to ''die''."
* Admiral Blake in ''{{Terinu}}''. Supervising Terinu's arrest and detention in a biological research lab? Decidedly unpleasant. Arranging for his daughter Leeza to be fired from her job and forcing her into being the boy's guardian after she rescues him from said facility? Definitely not good. [[spoiler: Having Leeza arrested and order Terinu's assassination to cover up a centuries old centuries-old act of genocide?]] The readers were howling for his blood.



* Even after he'd pulled a heinous stunt like [[spoiler: utterly ''humiliating'' Ally in front of the cancer patients she was a nurse for]], Keith in ''{{Fans}}'' still had some DracoInLeatherPants status from the people who believed he was still just on his revenge kick for [[FreudianExcuse the mental torture Ally had put him through years ago.]] Then he [[spoiler: murdered Rob, who was both in love with him and was his most fervent supporter, in cold blood for power.]] Any and all sympathy vanished, and the forum unanimously cheered for an asskicking at the least.
** Said cheering grew all the louder when he followed it up by [[spoiler: setting a kid with cancer on fire just for talking back to him.]]

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* Even after he'd pulled a heinous stunt like [[spoiler: utterly [[spoiler:utterly ''humiliating'' Ally in front of the cancer patients she was a nurse for]], Keith in ''{{Fans}}'' still had some DracoInLeatherPants status from the people who believed he was still just on his revenge kick for [[FreudianExcuse the mental torture Ally had put him through years ago.]] Then he [[spoiler: murdered Rob, who was both in love with him and was his most fervent supporter, in cold blood for the sake of power.]] Any and all sympathy vanished, and the forum unanimously cheered for an asskicking at the least.
** Said cheering grew all the louder when he followed it up by [[spoiler: setting [[spoiler:setting a kid with cancer on fire just for talking back to him.]]



* Xykon in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' zombified his grandmother and several other people, then had them kill his parents. After that, he was your basic sterotypical villain, doing evil things for no other reason than he can. He didn't really have a Moral Event Horizon, because he was a evil horror since birth who thinks morals or even a reason for what you do is for pussies. As for what he did on the top of the page, a group of paladins were standing against him, ready to fight to the death, and he threw a super bouncy ball with a Symbol of Insanity enscribed on it, causing them to go mad and slaughter each other. Only a few of them didn't go insane, on virtue of not seeing the ball, and the only one of them that survived was paralyzed by Xykon, so he would be forced to watch him zombify his dead friends. To give you the full quote of what Xykon said: "I tell you, Ugly, nothing's funnier than false hope. You really thought you had a chance there for a second. I mean, sure, I could've just blasted you all from above with fire and lightning and such... but I've always felt that when it's really important, it's worth it to go that extra mile. Don't you agree?"

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* Xykon in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' zombified his grandmother and several other people, then had them kill his parents. After that, he was your basic sterotypical stereotypical villain, doing evil things for no other reason than he can. He didn't really have a Moral Event Horizon, because he was a evil horror since birth who thinks morals or even a reason for what you do is for pussies. As for what he did on the top of the page, a group of paladins were standing against him, ready to fight to the death, and he threw a super bouncy ball with a Symbol of Insanity enscribed inscribed on it, causing them to go mad and slaughter each other. Only a few of them didn't go insane, on virtue of not seeing the ball, and the only one of them that survived was paralyzed by Xykon, so he would be forced to watch ForcedToWatch him zombify his dead friends. To give you the full quote of what Xykon said: "I tell you, Ugly, [[HopeSpot nothing's funnier than false hope.hope]]. You really thought you had a chance there for a second. I mean, sure, I could've just blasted you all from above with fire and lightning and such... but I've always felt that when it's really important, it's worth it to go that extra mile. Don't you agree?"



*** From the audience's point of view, if a character in ''Goblins'' qualifies for CompleteMonster status they'll have crossed the event horizon during or shortly after their first appearance. Kore by murdering the Dwarf child in cold blood, Dellyn by carving the word 'monster' in Fumbles' head with his knife during their first torture session. [[spoiler:Psion-Minmax does this by telling Kin how he murdered her 817 times, and she remembers each of them thanks to the power of the Maze of Many, and how he intends to use the powers of the maze to wipe all all the characters currently inside completely from existence. Before killing her for the 818th time.]]

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*** From the audience's point of view, if a character in ''Goblins'' qualifies for CompleteMonster status they'll have crossed the event horizon during or shortly after their first appearance. Kore by murdering the Dwarf child in cold blood, blood just for being kidnapped by the 'evil races' and thus being 'tainted', Dellyn by carving the word 'monster' in Fumbles' head with his knife during their first torture session. [[spoiler:Psion-Minmax does this by telling Kin how he murdered her 817 times, and she remembers each of them thanks to the power of the Maze of Many, and how he intends to use the powers of the maze to wipe all all the characters currently inside completely from existence. Before killing her for the 818th time.]]



** Natalie Geln, whilst never nice (Her first appearance is her as a five-year-old bullying Charlie for wearing women's clothing) crosses it when she [[spoiler: Orders her gang to rape Charlie's FTM transexual friend Tom.]]
* {{Jack}} has a multitude of characters who've hurled themselves across the MoralEventHorizon.

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** Natalie Geln, whilst never nice (Her first appearance is her as a five-year-old bullying Charlie for wearing women's clothing) crosses it when she [[spoiler: Orders [[spoiler:Orders her gang to rape Charlie's FTM transexual friend Tom.]]
* {{Jack}} ''{{Jack}}'' has a multitude of characters who've hurled themselves across the MoralEventHorizon.



* In AmazingAgentJennifer, Jennifer's parents definitely have crossed it in the "Coming Home" arc. Jennifer choses a career path that is not the family business, and her father Benjiro turns his back on her, saying she turned his back on the family and the family business, saying Jennifer broker her mother's heart when she didn't come home for the holidays 3 years before the arc, at which point his FantasyForbiddingFather attitude had already driven her away, and refused to show up for her graduation, and actually ''forbid'' his wife to attend to the ceremony, and when he finds out Jennifer's mother ''did'' attend to the ceremony, she tries to pretend she wasn't there and after shit hits the fan, Jennifer's mother accused ''her'' of "tearing the family apart". And in Jennifer's words, they wouldn't even try to make things right or listen to her. And as the final [[KickTheDog kick in the dog's gut]], Benjiro outright calls Jennifer a ''disgrace''. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, she's a disgrace for not being their puppet robot, good at running the "family business" and choosing to life her own path instead. Parents of the year...]] And years later, in the [[AmazingAgentLuna series]] AmazingAgentJennifer is a prequel to, they try to sweep all of this under the rug as if nothing had happened.

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* In AmazingAgentJennifer, ''AmazingAgentJennifer'', Jennifer's parents definitely have crossed it in the "Coming Home" arc. Jennifer choses chooses a career path that is not the family business, and her father Benjiro turns his back on her, saying she turned his back on the family and the family business, saying Jennifer broker her mother's heart when she didn't come home for the holidays 3 years before the arc, at which point his FantasyForbiddingFather attitude had already driven her away, and refused to show up for her graduation, and actually ''forbid'' his wife to attend to the ceremony, and when he finds out Jennifer's mother ''did'' attend to the ceremony, she tries to pretend she wasn't there and after shit hits the fan, Jennifer's mother accused ''her'' of "tearing the family apart". And in Jennifer's words, they wouldn't even try to make things right or listen to her. And as the final [[KickTheDog kick in the dog's gut]], Benjiro outright calls Jennifer a ''disgrace''. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, she's a disgrace for not being their puppet robot, good at running the "family business" and choosing to life her own path instead. Parents of the year...]] And years later, in the [[AmazingAgentLuna series]] AmazingAgentJennifer is a prequel to, they try to sweep all of this under the rug as if nothing had happened.
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* Xykon in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' zombified his grandmother and several other people, then had them kill his parents. After that, he was your basic sterotypical villain, doing evil things for no other reason than he can. He didn't really have a Moral Event Horizon, because he was a evil horror who thinks morals or even a reason for what you do is for pussies, '''ever since he was born.''' Oh, you want to know what he did at the top of the page, right? A group of paladins were standing aginst him, ready to fight to the death, and he threw a super bouncy ball with a Symbol of Insanity enscribed on it, causing them to go mad and slaughter each other. Only a few of them didn't go insane, on virtue of not seeing the ball, and the only one of them that survived was paralyzed by Xykon, so he would be forced to watch him zombify his dead friends. To give you the full quote of what Xykon said: "I tell you, Ugly, nothing's funnier than false hope. You really thought you had a chance there for a second. I mean, sure, I could've just blasted you all from above with fire and lightning and such... but I've always felt that when it's really important, it's worth it to go that extra mile. Don't you agree?"
** Redcloak was originally Xykon's beleaguered [[TheDragon dragon]], but it turns out he's even ''worse'' than Xykon, and is actually playing the lich like a fiddle.

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* Xykon in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' zombified his grandmother and several other people, then had them kill his parents. After that, he was your basic sterotypical villain, doing evil things for no other reason than he can. He didn't really have a Moral Event Horizon, because he was a evil horror since birth who thinks morals or even a reason for what you do is for pussies, '''ever since he was born.''' Oh, you want to know pussies. As for what he did at on the top of the page, right? A a group of paladins were standing aginst against him, ready to fight to the death, and he threw a super bouncy ball with a Symbol of Insanity enscribed on it, causing them to go mad and slaughter each other. Only a few of them didn't go insane, on virtue of not seeing the ball, and the only one of them that survived was paralyzed by Xykon, so he would be forced to watch him zombify his dead friends. To give you the full quote of what Xykon said: "I tell you, Ugly, nothing's funnier than false hope. You really thought you had a chance there for a second. I mean, sure, I could've just blasted you all from above with fire and lightning and such... but I've always felt that when it's really important, it's worth it to go that extra mile. Don't you agree?"
** Redcloak was originally Xykon's beleaguered [[TheDragon dragon]], but it turns out he's even ''worse'' than himself isn't as bad as his boss Xykon, and is actually playing but he also crosses the lich like a fiddle.horizon when he murders his brother Right-Eye simply so that he can fulfill his plans of The Dark One gaining control of the Snarl.
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** Kore is so far past the Moral Event Horizon in his FIRST APPEARANCE. He slaughters a bar of completely innocent orcs and what not simply for the fact they're existing. Then kills a dwarf child, who was adopted by one of the orcs, simply because he was WITH the Orcs. That's nothing compared to [[ColdBloodedTorture what he does]] [[spoiler: [[NightmareFuel to Chief...]] ]]

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** Kore is so far past the Moral Event Horizon in his FIRST APPEARANCE. He slaughters a bar of completely innocent orcs and what not simply for the fact they're existing. Then kills a dwarf child, who was adopted by one of the orcs, simply because he was WITH the Orcs. That's nothing compared to [[ColdBloodedTorture what he does]] [[spoiler: [[NightmareFuel to Chief...]] ]]
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*** Later, he seems to find intense pleasure in informing Jane of [[spoiler: her father's supposed horrific, torturous death in the prisons of Derse]], on her birthday no less. Whether this actually happened has not yet been revealed, but the thought of it is enough to drive her to tears.

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*** Later, he seems to find intense pleasure in informing Jane of [[spoiler: her father's supposed horrific, torturous death in the prisons of Derse]], on her birthday no less. Whether this This didn't actually happened has not yet been revealed, happen, but the thought of it is enough to drive her to tears.
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** [[spoiler: Caliborn]] gleefully killing [[spoiler: his own split personality/sister Calliope's]] dream self then laughing his ass off when the Alpha Kids are apparently slaughtered by Red Miles make it pretty easy to believe that he is [[spoiler: Lord English's past self.]]

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** [[spoiler: Caliborn]] gleefully killing [[spoiler: his own split personality/sister Calliope's]] Calliope's dream self self]] then laughing his ass off when the Alpha Kids are apparently slaughtered by Red Miles make it pretty easy to believe that he is [[spoiler: Lord English's past self.]]

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