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5th Apr '17 12:33:43 AM ACW
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4th Apr '17 8:06:30 PM jtierney50
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** Vaarsuvius while [[spoiler:under the influence of the soul splice]] counts. On the one hand, it allowed them to [[spoiler:save their family from a black dragon seeking revenge]], but on the other hand, [[spoiler:casting Familicide was taking things a step too far, especially since it went as far as to kill every being related to the black dragon and every being related to those beings, which included not only Girard Draketooth's family, but all the innocents the Draketooths used to propagate their clan.]] To make things even worse, it's later stated that [[spoiler:the soul splice didn't have an effect on V's alignment; V willfully committed mass murder of their own free will.]] [[HeroicBSOD Needless to say, V didn't take this fact well.]]

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** Miko crosses a sort of MEH when she [[spoiler:kills Lord Shojo, an unarmed old man]]. It's bad enough for the Twelve Gods to strip her of her Paladin status, and when she asks the ghost of her mentor for forgiveness, he says that [[HeelFaceDoorSlam redemption is not for everyone]].
** Vaarsuvius while [[spoiler:under the influence of the soul splice]] counts. On the one hand, it allowed them to [[spoiler:save their family from a black dragon seeking revenge]], but on the other hand, [[spoiler:casting Familicide was taking things a step too far, especially since it went as far as to kill every being related to the black dragon and every being related to those beings, which included not only Girard Draketooth's family, but all the innocents the Draketooths used to propagate their clan.]] Their victory was a hollow one at best - [[spoiler:their family is horrified by what V has become, and their mate eventually files for divorce and full custody of their children, to which V does not contest]]. To make things even worse, it's later stated that [[spoiler:the soul splice didn't have an effect on V's alignment; V willfully committed mass murder of their own free will.]] [[HeroicBSOD Needless to say, V didn't take this fact well.]]
14th Dec '16 4:18:41 PM kome360
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** Then she sells out to the Soullo clan, and [[spoiler:murders her former best friend via drowning and paralysis]]. Somehow, against all rational logic, [[KarmaHoudini she gets away with it]]. [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence COMPLETELY]].
29th Aug '16 10:34:01 PM Schismatism
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* In ''Webcomic/EightBitTheater'', Black Mage finally gets this after he kills White Mage. At that point, [[StupidGood Fighter]] - of all people - decides that he simply can't be redeemed. Of course, it's played for comedy once the [[DeusExMachina wizard made of plotanium]] comes by.
10th Aug '16 12:04:40 AM Anddrix
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** Fans debate quite a bit as to whether Vriska has crossed this or not. Some viewers believe that she gleefully swan-dived over the line back when [[spoiler:she mind-controlled Tavros into jumping off a cliff]] and has only gone deeper since then, and some viewers think that she can still be redeemed. Given that she's easily [[BaseBreaker the most divisive character in the series]], this argument is not surprising.
*** And given that the author has [[WordOfGod said outright]] that Vriska's [[BaseBreaker status]] is intentional and [[TrollingCreator he does it to mess with the fanbase]], it's equally unsurprising that he pulled an even more confusing possible-example with her later when she [[spoiler:kills Tavros]]: she does something awful, then immediately goes into full-on PetTheDog mode.

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** Fans debate quite a bit as to whether Vriska has crossed this or not. Some viewers believe that she gleefully swan-dived over the line back when [[spoiler:she mind-controlled Tavros into jumping off a cliff]] and has only gone deeper since then, and some viewers think that she can still be redeemed. Given that she's easily [[BaseBreaker the most divisive character in the series]], series, this argument is not surprising.
*** And given that the author has [[WordOfGod said outright]] that Vriska's [[BaseBreaker status]] status is intentional and [[TrollingCreator he does it to mess with the fanbase]], it's equally unsurprising that he pulled an even more confusing possible-example with her later when she [[spoiler:kills Tavros]]: she does something awful, then immediately goes into full-on PetTheDog mode.
3rd Aug '16 7:13:35 PM Luigifan
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** The biggest and undisputed moment in the series happened in the backstory during the Nidraa'chal War, when [[spoiler:Snadhya'rune, Sarv'swati, and Zala'ess Vel'Sharen]] orchestrated the entire war and the deaths and forceful demonification of hundreds if not ''thousands'' of people in order to [[spoiler:kill their mother Val'Sharess Diva'ratrika by sealing her in her own throne room until she died, and frame their sister Sil'lice and force her into exile]]. And while a case could be made for WellIntentionedExtremist, [[spoiler:Snadhya'rune]] was sent even further beyond the horizon at the revelation that [[spoiler:[[http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?order=chapters&id=1275 she's deliberately given faulty demonic seeds to many of her followers that will slowly kill them within 25 to 50 years until only a few of her choosing are left]]]]. It's not a matter of ''if'' it's going to catch up them as ''when'', since the plot is starting to fall down around them.

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** The biggest and most undisputed moment in the series happened in the backstory during the Nidraa'chal War, when [[spoiler:Snadhya'rune, Sarv'swati, and Zala'ess Vel'Sharen]] orchestrated the entire war and the deaths and forceful demonification of hundreds if not ''thousands'' of people in order to [[spoiler:kill their mother Val'Sharess Diva'ratrika by sealing her in her own throne room until she died, and frame their sister Sil'lice and force her into exile]]. And while a case could be made for WellIntentionedExtremist, [[spoiler:Snadhya'rune]] was sent even further beyond the horizon at the revelation that [[spoiler:[[http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?order=chapters&id=1275 she's deliberately given faulty demonic seeds to many of her followers that will slowly kill them within 25 to 50 years until only a few of her choosing are left]]]]. It's not a matter of ''if'' it's going to catch up them as ''when'', since the plot is starting to fall down around them.



* Even after he'd pulled a heinous stunt like [[spoiler:utterly ''humiliating'' Ally in front of the cancer patients she was a nurse for]], Keith in ''Webcomic/{{Fans}}'' still had some DracoInLeatherPants status from the people who believed he was still just on his revenge kick for [[FreudianExcuse the mental torture Ally had put him through years ago.]] Then he [[spoiler:murdered Rob, who was both in love with him and was his most fervent supporter, in cold blood for the sake of power.]] Any and all sympathy vanished, and the forum unanimously cheered for an asskicking at the least.
** Said cheering grew all the louder when he followed it up by [[spoiler:setting a kid with cancer on fire just for talking back to him.]]

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* Even after he'd pulled a heinous stunt like [[spoiler:utterly ''humiliating'' Ally in front of the cancer patients she was a nurse for]], Keith in ''Webcomic/{{Fans}}'' still had some DracoInLeatherPants status from the people who believed he was still just on his revenge kick for [[FreudianExcuse the mental torture Ally had put him through years ago.]] ago]]. Then he [[spoiler:murdered Rob, who was both in love with him and was his most fervent supporter, in cold blood for the sake of power.]] power]]. Any and all sympathy vanished, and the forum unanimously cheered for an asskicking at the least.
** Said cheering grew all the louder when he followed it up by [[spoiler:setting a kid with cancer on fire just for talking back to him.]]him]].



* Debatably, [[spoiler:Zola]] in ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' had already crossed this by double-dealing and out-Eviling the Other, but after [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20101015 this]] it's not really a question of if she is going to die, but whether death's enough.

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* Debatably, [[spoiler:Zola]] in ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' had already crossed this by double-dealing and out-Eviling the Other, but after [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20101015 this]] this,]] it's not really a question of if she is going to die, but whether death's enough.


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* Johnathan Stuffner in ''WebComic/WhiteDarkLife'' was already a murderous bastard, but he crossed the line when he ''set an entire island on fire, '''horribly burning its inhabitants to death''''' in order to push Lucy Round past the DespairEventHorizon.
11th Jul '16 5:53:44 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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-->-- [[spoiler:Mitch Marks]], ''Webcomic/SuicideForHire''

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-->-- [[spoiler:Mitch Marks]], ''Webcomic/SuicideForHire''
23rd Nov '15 7:34:53 PM Luigifan
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* In ''Webcomic/AmazingAgentJennifer'', Jennifer's parents definitely have crossed it in the "Coming Home" arc. Jennifer chooses a career path that is not the family business, and her father Benjiro turns his back on her, saying she turned her back on the family and the family business, saying Jennifer broke her mother's heart when she didn't come home for the holidays 3 years before the arc, at which point his FantasyForbiddingFather attitude had already driven her away, and refused to show up for her graduation, and actually ''forbid'' his wife to attend to the ceremony, and when he finds out Jennifer's mother ''did'' attend to the ceremony, she tries to pretend she wasn't there, and after shit hits the fan, Jennifer's mother accused ''her'' of "tearing the family apart". And in Jennifer's words, they wouldn't even try to make things right or listen to her. And as the final [[KickTheDog kick in the dog's gut]], Benjiro outright calls Jennifer a ''disgrace''. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, she's a disgrace for not being their puppet robot, good at running the "family business" and choosing to live her life on her own terms instead. Parents of the year...]] And years later, in the [[Manga/AmazingAgentLuna series]] that ''Jennifer'' is a prequel to, they try to sweep all of this under the rug as if nothing had happened.

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* In ''Webcomic/AmazingAgentJennifer'', Jennifer's parents definitely have crossed it in the "Coming Home" arc. Jennifer chooses a career path that is not the family business, and her father Benjiro turns his back on her, saying she turned her back on the family and the family business, saying Jennifer broke her mother's heart when she didn't come home for the holidays 3 years before the arc, at which point his FantasyForbiddingFather attitude had already driven her away, and refused to show up for her graduation, and actually ''forbid'' his wife to attend to the ceremony, and when he finds out Jennifer's mother ''did'' attend to the ceremony, she tries to pretend she wasn't there, and after shit hits the fan, Jennifer's mother accused ''her'' of "tearing the family apart". And in Jennifer's words, they wouldn't even try to make things right or listen to her. And as the final [[KickTheDog kick in the dog's gut]], Benjiro outright calls Jennifer a ''disgrace''. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, she's a disgrace for not being their puppet robot, good at running the "family business" business", and choosing to live her life on her own terms instead. Parents of the year...]] And years later, in the [[Manga/AmazingAgentLuna series]] that ''Jennifer'' is a prequel to, they try to sweep all of this under the rug as if nothing had happened.



*** It turns out her master plan is to basically force everyone to follow her upon pain of death, either through [[spoiler:faulty tainting or parasitic flowers]] [[PoisonAndCureGambit both of which only she can fix]]. Snadhya is willing to murder ''her entire species'' if she doesn't get her way.

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*** It turns out her master plan is to basically force everyone to follow her upon pain of death, either through [[spoiler:faulty tainting or parasitic flowers]] flowers]], [[PoisonAndCureGambit both of which only she can fix]]. Snadhya is willing to murder ''her entire species'' if she doesn't get her way.



** Kore is so far past the Moral Event Horizon in his FIRST APPEARANCE. He slaughters a bar of completely innocent orcs and what not simply for the fact they're existing. Then kills a dwarf child, who was adopted by one of the orcs, simply because he was WITH the Orcs. That's nothing compared to [[ColdBloodedTorture what he does]] [[spoiler:to Chief...]]
*** Kore by murdering the Dwarf child in cold blood just for being kidnapped by the 'evil races' and thus being 'tainted', Dellyn by carving the word 'monster' in Fumbles' head with his knife during their first torture session. [[spoiler:Psion-Minmax does this by telling Kin how he murdered her 817 times, and she remembers each of them thanks to the power of the Maze of Many, and how he intends to use the powers of the maze to wipe all all the characters currently inside completely from existence. Before killing her for the 818th time.]]
* In ''FanFic/GrimTalesFromDownBelow'', Mandy [[spoiler:masterminds 9/11, Operation Freedom, Hurricane Katrina and Crash 38 in an attempt to win Grim's affections.]]. She also agreed to [[spoiler:have two daughters with ''Dark Danny'', knowing he wanted to use them as weapons. Because she planned on betraying him and doing the same.]]

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** Kore is so far past the Moral Event Horizon in his FIRST APPEARANCE. He slaughters a bar of completely innocent orcs and what not simply for the fact they're existing. Then kills a dwarf child, who was adopted by one of the orcs, simply because he was WITH ''with'' the Orcs. That's nothing compared to [[ColdBloodedTorture what he does]] [[spoiler:to Chief...]]
*** Kore Kore, by murdering the Dwarf child in cold blood just for being kidnapped by the 'evil races' and thus being 'tainted', Dellyn by carving the word 'monster' in Fumbles' head with his knife during their first torture session. [[spoiler:Psion-Minmax does this by telling Kin how he murdered her 817 times, and she remembers each of them thanks to the power of the Maze of Many, and how he intends to use the powers of the maze to wipe all all the characters currently inside completely from existence. Before killing her for the 818th time.]]
* In ''FanFic/GrimTalesFromDownBelow'', Mandy [[spoiler:masterminds 9/11, Operation Freedom, Hurricane Katrina Katrina, and Crash 38 in an attempt to win Grim's affections.]].affections]]. She also agreed to [[spoiler:have two daughters with ''Dark Danny'', knowing he wanted to use them as weapons. Because she planned on betraying him and doing the same.]]



* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', we got an example that was more subtle than most, but still important, in the flashback to the Court's early history. DoggedNiceGuy / StalkerWithACrush Diego reacts to his vehement rejection by Jeanne by [[spoiler:nominating her as the sacrifice for a plan to "protect" the Court from the magical influences of Gillitie Wood.]] Even after ''that'', he still had groups of people who insisted it was just a misguided plan to play hero, that he really didn't mean it, or even that Jeanne ''deserved'' it, [[spoiler:until the next page went up, wherein Diego ''[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=657 smiles at an unknowing Jeanne's fear]] of being sent down into the ravine.'']] After that, even the people who'd previously defended him wanted him dead.

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* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', we got an example that was more subtle than most, but still important, in the flashback to the Court's early history. DoggedNiceGuy / StalkerWithACrush DoggedNiceGuy[=/=]StalkerWithACrush Diego reacts to his vehement rejection by Jeanne by [[spoiler:nominating her as the sacrifice for a plan to "protect" the Court from the magical influences of Gillitie Wood.]] Even after ''that'', he still had groups of people who insisted it was just a misguided plan to play hero, that he really didn't mean it, or even that Jeanne ''deserved'' it, [[spoiler:until the next page went up, wherein Diego ''[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=657 smiles at an unknowing Jeanne's fear]] of being sent down into the ravine.'']] After that, even the people who'd previously defended him wanted him dead.



** Grimbark!Jade [[spoiler: kicks WV off a ledge with full intent for him to die horribly in the lava below. He doesn't die and she is mind controlled at the time, but still...]]
** Aranea [[spoiler: drops a house on Jade to prevent her from going Grimbark a second time, then manipul8tes the God Tier clock into considering her death Just right as it appears she might revive, killing her for real as a result.]]
** Gamzee, who had already established himself as evil by [[spoiler: killing Equius and Nepeta, and hoarding their and others' corpses to sell their blood]], pretty definitively crossed the MEH when he [[spoiler:beat Terezi, his former kismesis, to a bloody pulp (over the course of several very graphic panels), nearly killing her while all her friends who were still alive watched]]. It was enough to [[spoiler: drive Kanaya to slice him up with her chainsaw.]]
* "Webcomic/{{Housepets}}" has Pete, a recently freed griffin with supernatural powers, who recently gave a former member of [[AnimalWrongsGroup PETA]] a KarmicTransformation into a dog. This was seen as an interesting twist, and King, as he's now called, has become a fan favorite for being complicated, adorable, and the Grumpy Bear of the cast. Except that on the conclusion of the Chrismas ark, Pete informed King that [[spoiler:he has no intention of changing King back into a human.]] [[HilarityEnsues Horror ensued.]]

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** Grimbark!Jade [[spoiler: kicks [[spoiler:kicks WV off a ledge with full intent for him to die horribly in the lava below. He doesn't die and she is mind controlled at the time, but still...]]
** Aranea [[spoiler: drops [[spoiler:drops a house on Jade to prevent her from going Grimbark a second time, then manipul8tes the God Tier clock into considering her death Just dead just right as it appears she might revive, killing her for real as a result.]]
** Gamzee, who had already established himself as evil by [[spoiler: killing [[spoiler:killing Equius and Nepeta, and hoarding their and others' corpses to sell their blood]], pretty definitively crossed the MEH when he [[spoiler:beat Terezi, his former kismesis, to a bloody pulp (over the course of several very graphic panels), nearly killing her while all her friends who were still alive watched]]. It was enough to [[spoiler: drive [[spoiler:drive Kanaya to slice him up with her chainsaw.]]
* "Webcomic/{{Housepets}}" has Pete, a recently freed griffin with supernatural powers, who recently gave a former member of [[AnimalWrongsGroup PETA]] a KarmicTransformation into a dog. This was seen as an interesting twist, and King, as he's now called, has become a fan favorite for being complicated, adorable, and the Grumpy Bear of the cast. Except that on the conclusion of the Chrismas ark, arc, Pete informed King that [[spoiler:he has no intention of changing King back into a human.]] [[HilarityEnsues Horror ensued.]]



** Drip, embodiment of the Sin of Lust, likely hurled himself across it at some point in the backstory, as we know he was a murderer and [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rapist]] in life. Then he did...[[http://www.pholph.com/strip.php?id=5&sid=1196 this.]] However, his first (chronologically speaking) crossing of the MEH would have to be when the Devil takes him back in time to murder his own parents. Not that he knows who they are, but given the sheer brutality in how he murders his father and [[http://www.pholph.com/strip.php?id=5&sid=3611 handles his mother]] (WARNING, VERY NSFW), it almost doesn't matter. (Even ''he'' is horrified by this once he [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone realises who they are]]!)

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** Drip, embodiment of the Sin of Lust, likely hurled himself across it at some point in the backstory, as we know he was a murderer and [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil rapist]] in life. Then he did... [[http://www.pholph.com/strip.php?id=5&sid=1196 this.]] However, his first (chronologically speaking) crossing of the MEH would have to be when the Devil takes him back in time to murder his own parents. Not that he knows who they are, but given the sheer brutality in of how he murders his father and [[http://www.pholph.com/strip.php?id=5&sid=3611 handles his mother]] (WARNING, VERY NSFW), it almost doesn't matter. (Even ''he'' is horrified by this once he [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone realises who they are]]!)



** Natalie Geln, whilst never nice (Her first appearance is her as a five-year-old bullying Charlie for wearing women's clothing), crosses it when she [[spoiler:orders her gang to rape Charlie's FTM transexual friend Tom.]]

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** Natalie Geln, whilst never nice (Her (her first appearance is her as a five-year-old bullying Charlie for wearing women's clothing), crosses it when she [[spoiler:orders her gang to rape Charlie's FTM transexual friend Tom.]]



** Or, in the "Ty and Rosaline" arc, [[spoiler:Ty not only abuses his loving wife repeatedly, but drives her to contact Suicide For Hire...and, after her suicide, makes the fatal mistake of contacting them himself to arrange ''his'' suicide... and demonstrates a complete lack of interest for his wife's last message. They do...oh, don't they just!]]

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** Or, in the "Ty and Rosaline" arc, [[spoiler:Ty not only abuses his loving wife repeatedly, but drives her to contact Suicide For Hire... and, after her suicide, makes the fatal mistake of contacting them himself to arrange ''his'' suicide... and demonstrates a complete lack of interest for his wife's last message. They do... oh, don't they just!]]
9th Apr '15 2:19:08 PM DracoKanji
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* In ''FanFic/GrimTalesFromDownBelow'', Mandy [[spoiler:masterminds 9/11, Operation Freedom, Hurricane Katrina and Crash 38 in an attempt to win Grim's affections.]].

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* In ''FanFic/GrimTalesFromDownBelow'', Mandy [[spoiler:masterminds 9/11, Operation Freedom, Hurricane Katrina and Crash 38 in an attempt to win Grim's affections.]]. She also agreed to [[spoiler:have two daughters with ''Dark Danny'', knowing he wanted to use them as weapons. Because she planned on betraying him and doing the same.]]
15th Mar '15 11:40:24 AM TheUnsquished
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* Even after he'd pulled a heinous stunt like [[spoiler:utterly ''humiliating'' Ally in front of the cancer patients she was a nurse for]], Keith in ''{{Fans}}'' still had some DracoInLeatherPants status from the people who believed he was still just on his revenge kick for [[FreudianExcuse the mental torture Ally had put him through years ago.]] Then he [[spoiler:murdered Rob, who was both in love with him and was his most fervent supporter, in cold blood for the sake of power.]] Any and all sympathy vanished, and the forum unanimously cheered for an asskicking at the least.

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* Even after he'd pulled a heinous stunt like [[spoiler:utterly ''humiliating'' Ally in front of the cancer patients she was a nurse for]], Keith in ''{{Fans}}'' ''Webcomic/{{Fans}}'' still had some DracoInLeatherPants status from the people who believed he was still just on his revenge kick for [[FreudianExcuse the mental torture Ally had put him through years ago.]] Then he [[spoiler:murdered Rob, who was both in love with him and was his most fervent supporter, in cold blood for the sake of power.]] Any and all sympathy vanished, and the forum unanimously cheered for an asskicking at the least.
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