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** More recently, Elan's father Tarquin crossed the line when we saw [[spoiler: how he seems to delight in breaking a woman's spirit utterly before he marries her, with a combination of physical torture, persistence, and emotional manipulation. And, if necasary, offing the existing husband]]

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** More recently, Elan's father Tarquin crossed the line when we saw [[spoiler: how he seems to delight in breaking a woman's spirit utterly before he marries her, with a combination of physical torture, persistence, and emotional manipulation. And, if necasary, necessary, offing the existing husband]]
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*** she never really crossed the horizion, she was just a huge bitch. (bluh bluh)After all, she did [[spoiler: help john reach god tier]]
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** Kore is so far past the Moral Event Horizon in his FIRST APPEARANCE. He slaughters an entire bar of completely innocent orcs and what not simply for the fact they're existing. Then kills a human child, who was adopted by one of the orcs, simply because he was WITH the Orcs. That's nothing compared to [[ColdBloodedTorture what he does]] [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel to [[spoiler: Chief]]...]]

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** Kore is so far past the Moral Event Horizon in his FIRST APPEARANCE. He slaughters an entire bar of completely innocent orcs and what not simply for the fact they're existing. Then kills a human child, who was adopted by one of the orcs, simply because he was WITH the Orcs. That's nothing compared to [[ColdBloodedTorture what he does]] [[spoiler: [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel to [[spoiler: Chief]]...Chief...]] ]]

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* Goblinslayer from ''{{Goblins}}'' is a horrible bastard who tortures so-called "monstrous races" to get a better understanding of their biology and kill them more efficiently (at least, that's what he says, but he's a horribly sadistic monster), so he's well past that point when we meet him. However, he becomes this in the eyes of Minmax (who doesn't know about the rest of his horrific actions) when he admits to healing his "pet" Yuan-Ti after beating and raping her into negative HP. He ponders over what Goblinslayer says for a moment, then chucks the bastard through a window.

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* Goblinslayer from ''{{Goblins}}'' is a horrible bastard who tortures so-called "monstrous races" to get a better understanding of their biology and kill them more efficiently (at least, that's what he says, but he's a horribly sadistic monster), so he's well past that point when we meet him. However, he becomes this in the eyes of Minmax (who doesn't know about the rest of his horrific actions) when he admits to healing his "pet" Yuan-Ti after beating and raping her into negative HP. He ponders over what Goblinslayer says for a moment, [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome then chucks the bastard through a window.]]
** Kore is so far past the Moral Event Horizon in his FIRST APPEARANCE. He slaughters an entire bar of completely innocent orcs and what not simply for the fact they're existing. Then kills a human child, who was adopted by one of the orcs, simply because he was WITH the Orcs. That's nothing compared to [[ColdBloodedTorture what he does]] [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel to [[spoiler: Chief]]...]]
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*** And now he's somehow found a way to push himself even farther, by [[spoiler: Forcing Enor and Gannji to fight each other in the arena, just because he thought Elan would want to see them suffer since they got the better of him. And then, after Gannji has finally convinced Enor to go along with a crazy scheme (involving killing Gannji), Tarquin coldly orders them both killed by a firing squad of crossbowmen)]] Most people are now generally of the opinion that an ordinary death is too good for him.
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* ''GrimTalesFromDownBelow'' in what just might be the MostTriumphantExample in all of fiction, Mandy [[spoiler:masterminds 9/11, Operation Freedom, Hurricane Katrina and Crash 38 in an attempt to win Grim's affections.]]. Hot ''damn''.

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* ''GrimTalesFromDownBelow'' in what just might be the MostTriumphantExample in all of fiction, In ''GrimTalesFromDownBelow'', Mandy [[spoiler:masterminds 9/11, Operation Freedom, Hurricane Katrina and Crash 38 in an attempt to win Grim's affections.]]. Hot ''damn''.

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* Jack Noir of {{Homestuck}} has gone from ObstructiveBureaucrat right through OneWingedAngel and is currently tearing through CompleteMonster territory. [[spoiler: He killed [[YouKillItYouBoughtIt his queen, his king,]] [[OmnicidalManiac thousands of pawns]], the dreams of one of our [[ChosenOne protagonists]], burned half of Skaia (and then all of Prospit) to the ground just for the hell of it, and then [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking pulled the creepiest]] SlasherSmile ''ever''.]]
** ItGotWorse. Due to [[spoiler: Becquerel prototyping himself with Jade's kernelsprite, he is an unbeatable boss. Turns out he is the one who killed all the trolls dreamselves as well as destroying their versions of Prospit and Derse.]] Also, [[spoiler: he killed Bro by impaling him through the heart with his own sword, and it's implied that he also killed Davesprite.]]
*** And then he [[spoiler: killed an innocent family enjoying a picnic, one of whom he spared the life of earlier out of gratitude, for literally no reason.]] If you didn't get it before, the guy's evil.
** Vriska gleefully swan-dives right off of the MoralEventHorizon by using her MindControl powers [[spoiler: to make Tavros ''jump off a cliff'' when he refuses to play a game that she [[KillerGameMaster deliberately engineered to be unwinnable]]]]. Basically, she [[KickTheDog kicks]] TheWoobie hard enough to '''break his spine.''' And then [[EvilLaugh laughs maniacally about it.]]
*** Doesn't "Moral Event Horizon" imply that there's no turning back, though? Because even after the spoilered event above, Vriska proceeded to [[spoiler: help build Tavros a rocket car replacement for his wheelchair, partner up with him to do sidequests rewarding them with untold amounts of booty, and... oh yeah, trying to initiate a good old fashioned romantic relationship with him.]] She's still a huge bitch (bluh bluh) but she's certainly not beyond redemption.
*** "''Old fashioned''"? What part of [[spoiler: [[MagnificentBastard crippling your love interest through the aforementioned scheme so he couldn't escape your advances, manipulating possibly your only true friend and unrequited lover into making an outfit to prey on your love interest's likes, and then trying to force yourself on said love interest after he crashes into your room and cannot move]] is old fashioned? If anything it shows just how far past the horizon she'd gone.]]
*** And speaking of her crossing it, [[spoiler: the "Make Her Pay" flash pretty much cements this. Vriska executes a plot using her psychic ability to control Tavros (her love interest, no less) to commune with Terezi's parent in order to cause the parent to control Terezi to ''stare into the sun'', blinding her. All because Vriska was punished, albeit disproportionally, for stealing a different character's items.]]
*** Of course, said character is [[spoiler:basically the GOD of the trolls' world, and Terezi had only punished Vriska for, you guessed it, [[MoralEventHorizon mindcontrolling one of her so-called 'friends' in to murdering the one person who cared about him the most.]]]]
*** Now it turns out that Vriska [[spoiler: sent John to sleep before he could help Jade prototype her kernelsprite. Because of this, Becquerel had to prototype himself with it in order to save Jade, which gave Jack Noir the powers of a first guardian. He then proceeded to use them to mess up the kids' entire session which drove them to open a rift into the troll's universe. This allowed Jack to prevent them from getting their End Game prize and as well as letting him destroy their version of Prospit and Derse. So everything bad that happened to royally screw the trolls and the kids is basically '''all her fault'''.]]
*** [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Howsabout we leave it at]] [[BaseBreaker "Vriska is a very polarizing character"?]]
*** Sadly, this time she's jumped right off irretrievably, by [[spoiler:talking John into being put to sleep, allowing Jack Noir to KILL HIM. And then she gloats about it.]] And then we find that might have been a ''good'' thing.
*** [[spoiler: She just murdered Tavros. [[KilledOffForReal For real.]]]] If it wasn't already clear by this point, it is fair to say that she plays jump-rope with [[MoralEventHorizon Moral Event Horizons]].
** [[spoiler: Eridan]] is seen as an IneffectualSympatheticVillain, even when announces that [[FaceHeelTurn he wants to join the villain]] [[spoiler: Jack]]...mostly because based off what we've seen from said villain, the very idea falls into WhatAnIdiot and TooDumbToLive territory. [[spoiler: Then Eridan kills Feferi.]] Not so sympathetic now, though he's [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves probably]] [[KarmicDeath still]] [[AssholeVictim screwed]].
*** [[spoiler: And then he dooms the entire troll race to extinction by destroying the last Matriorb. After which, he kills Kanaya.]]
* Another {{Jack}} does this in his life when he [[OmnicidalManiac wipes out humanity]] and [[HistoryRepeats breaks time]]. Of course, when we see him, he's TheAtoner.

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* Jack Noir of {{Homestuck}} has gone from ObstructiveBureaucrat right through OneWingedAngel and is currently tearing through CompleteMonster territory. Listing all his atrocities would fill up a decent chunk of this page with spoiler text. [[spoiler: He killed [[YouKillItYouBoughtIt Despite his queen, his king,]] [[OmnicidalManiac thousands of pawns]], the dreams of one of our [[ChosenOne protagonists]], burned half of Skaia (and then all of Prospit) to the ground just for the hell of it, and then [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking pulled the creepiest]] SlasherSmile ''ever''.murderous desires though, Bec's prototyping prevents him from killing Jade personally.]]
** ItGotWorse. Due Fans debate quite a bit as to whether Vriska has crossed this or not. Some viewers believe that she gleefully swan-dived over the line back when [[spoiler: Becquerel prototyping himself with Jade's kernelsprite, he is an unbeatable boss. Turns out he is the one who killed all the trolls dreamselves as well as destroying their versions of Prospit she mind-controlled Tavros into jumping off a cliff]] and Derse.]] Also, [[spoiler: he killed Bro by impaling him through the heart with his own sword, has only gone deeper since then, and it's implied some viewers think that he also killed Davesprite.]]
*** And then he [[spoiler: killed an innocent family enjoying a picnic, one of whom he spared
she can still be redeemed. Given that she's easily [[BaseBreaker the life of earlier out of gratitude, for literally no reason.]] If you didn't get it before, most divisive character in the guy's evil.
series]], this argument is not surprising.
** Vriska gleefully swan-dives right off Eridan has the distinction of crossing the MoralEventHorizon by using her MindControl powers AND the DespairEventHorizon at the same moment. [[spoiler: to make Tavros ''jump off a cliff'' when he refuses to play a game that she [[KillerGameMaster deliberately engineered to be unwinnable]]]]. Basically, she [[KickTheDog kicks]] TheWoobie hard enough to '''break his spine.''' And then [[EvilLaugh laughs maniacally about it.]]
*** Doesn't "Moral Event Horizon" imply
Convinced that there's no turning back, though? Because even after hope left for the spoilered event above, Vriska proceeded to [[spoiler: help build Tavros a rocket car replacement for his wheelchair, partner up with him to do sidequests rewarding them with untold amounts of booty, and... oh yeah, trying to initiate a good old fashioned romantic relationship with him.]] She's still a huge bitch (bluh bluh) but she's certainly not beyond redemption.
*** "''Old fashioned''"? What part of [[spoiler: [[MagnificentBastard crippling your love interest through the aforementioned scheme so
Trolls, he couldn't escape your advances, manipulating possibly your only true friend and unrequited lover into making an outfit to prey on your love interest's likes, and then trying to force yourself on said love interest after he crashes into your room and cannot move]] is old fashioned? If anything it shows just how far past the horizon she'd gone.]]
*** And speaking of her crossing it, [[spoiler: the "Make Her Pay" flash pretty much cements this. Vriska executes a plot using her psychic ability to control Tavros (her love interest, no less) to commune with Terezi's parent in order to cause the parent to control Terezi to ''stare into the sun'', blinding her. All because Vriska was punished, albeit disproportionally, for stealing a different character's items.]]
*** Of course, said character is [[spoiler:basically the GOD of the trolls' world, and Terezi had only punished Vriska for, you guessed it, [[MoralEventHorizon mindcontrolling one of her so-called 'friends' in to murdering the one person who cared about him the most.]]]]
*** Now it turns out that Vriska [[spoiler: sent John to sleep before he could help Jade prototype her kernelsprite. Because of this, Becquerel had to prototype himself with it in order to save Jade, which gave Jack Noir the powers of a first guardian. He then proceeded to use them to mess up the kids' entire session which drove them to open a rift into the troll's universe. This allowed Jack to prevent them from getting their End Game prize and as well as letting him destroy their version of Prospit and Derse. So everything bad that happened to royally screw the trolls and the kids is basically '''all her fault'''.]]
*** [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Howsabout we leave it at]] [[BaseBreaker "Vriska is a very polarizing character"?]]
*** Sadly, this time she's jumped right off irretrievably, by [[spoiler:talking John into being put to sleep, allowing Jack Noir to KILL HIM. And then she gloats about it.]] And then we find that might have been a ''good'' thing.
*** [[spoiler: She just murdered Tavros. [[KilledOffForReal For real.]]]] If it wasn't already clear by this point, it is fair to say that she plays jump-rope with [[MoralEventHorizon Moral Event Horizons]].
** [[spoiler: Eridan]] is seen as an IneffectualSympatheticVillain, even when announces that [[FaceHeelTurn he wants
defects to join the villain]] [[spoiler: Jack]]...mostly because based off what we've seen from said villain, the very idea falls into WhatAnIdiot Jack Noir, killing Feferi, Kanaya, and TooDumbToLive territory. [[spoiler: Then Eridan kills Feferi.]] Not so sympathetic now, though he's [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves probably]] [[KarmicDeath still]] [[AssholeVictim screwed]].
*** [[spoiler: And then he dooms the entire troll race to extinction by destroying the
his species' last Matriorb. After which, he kills Kanaya.]]
* Another {{Jack}} does this
chance for revival in his life when he [[OmnicidalManiac wipes out humanity]] and [[HistoryRepeats breaks time]]. Of course, when we see him, he's TheAtoner.the space of about two minutes.]]
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*** ... which might just count as a MEH for ''the fans''.
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*** It should also be noted that - despite the controversy - when Bleedman held a poll over whether or not to take down the page showing this crossing of the MEH, fans voted to keep it up.
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*** And then he [[spoiler: killed an innocent family enjoying a picnic, one of whom he spared the life of earlier out of gratitude, for literally no reason.]] If you didn't get it before, the guy's evil.
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--> '''Seymour''': [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Her kind]] [[FantasticRacism doesn't belong here.]] [[DethroningMomentOfSuck She'll be better off down there with the rest of the sinful wretch-]]

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* ''GrimTalesFromDownBelow'' in what just might be the MostTriumphantExample in all of fiction, Mandy [[spoiler: [[{{Dethroning Moment Of Suck}} masterminds 9/11, Operation Freedom, Hurricane Katrina and Crash 38 in an attempt to win Grim's affections.]]]]. Hot ''damn''.

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* ''GrimTalesFromDownBelow'' in what just might be the MostTriumphantExample in all of fiction, Mandy [[spoiler: [[{{Dethroning Moment Of Suck}} masterminds [[spoiler:masterminds 9/11, Operation Freedom, Hurricane Katrina and Crash 38 in an attempt to win Grim's affections.]]]].]]. Hot ''damn''.



** And of course the biggest and undisputed moment in the series happened in the backstory during the Nidraa'chal War, when [[spoiler:Snadhya'rune, Sarv'swati and Zala'ess Vel'Sharen]] orchestrated the entire war and the deaths and forceful demonification of hundreds if not ''thousands'' of people in order to [[spoiler:kill their mother Val'Sharess Diva'ratrika by sealing her in her own throne room until she died, and frame their sister Sil'lice and force her into exile]]. [[spoiler:Snadhya'rune]] was sent even further beyond the horizon at the revelation that [[spoiler:[[http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?order=chapters&id=1275 she's deliberately given faulty demonic seeds to many of her followers that will slowly kill them within 25 to 50 years until only a few of her choosing are left]]]]. It's not a matter of if it's going to catch up them as when since the plot is starting to fall down around them.

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** And of course the biggest and undisputed moment in the series happened in the backstory during the Nidraa'chal War, when [[spoiler:Snadhya'rune, Sarv'swati and Zala'ess Vel'Sharen]] orchestrated the entire war and the deaths and forceful demonification of hundreds if not ''thousands'' of people in order to [[spoiler:kill their mother Val'Sharess Diva'ratrika by sealing her in her own throne room until she died, and frame their sister Sil'lice and force her into exile]]. And while a case could be made for WellIntentionedExtremist, [[spoiler:Snadhya'rune]] was sent even further beyond the horizon at the revelation that [[spoiler:[[http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?order=chapters&id=1275 she's deliberately given faulty demonic seeds to many of her followers that will slowly kill them within 25 to 50 years until only a few of her choosing are left]]]]. It's not a matter of if it's going to catch up them as when since the plot is starting to fall down around them.

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** Quain'tana crossed it for many people at the realization that [[spoiler:she had ordered her own daughter raped in an attempt to concieve an heir]] on top of the many, ''many'' [[AbusiveParents horrible things]] she's done to her other children, but that particular moment seemed particularly callous and cruel compared to the others.

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** Quain'tana crossed it for many people at the realization that [[spoiler:she had ordered her own daughter raped in an attempt to concieve conceive an heir]] on top of the many, ''many'' [[AbusiveParents horrible things]] she's done to her other children, but that particular moment seemed particularly callous and cruel compared to the others.others.
** And of course the biggest and undisputed moment in the series happened in the backstory during the Nidraa'chal War, when [[spoiler:Snadhya'rune, Sarv'swati and Zala'ess Vel'Sharen]] orchestrated the entire war and the deaths and forceful demonification of hundreds if not ''thousands'' of people in order to [[spoiler:kill their mother Val'Sharess Diva'ratrika by sealing her in her own throne room until she died, and frame their sister Sil'lice and force her into exile]]. [[spoiler:Snadhya'rune]] was sent even further beyond the horizon at the revelation that [[spoiler:[[http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?order=chapters&id=1275 she's deliberately given faulty demonic seeds to many of her followers that will slowly kill them within 25 to 50 years until only a few of her choosing are left]]]]. It's not a matter of if it's going to catch up them as when since the plot is starting to fall down around them.
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* Goblinslayer is a horrible bastard who tortures so-called "monstrous races" to get a better understanding of their biology and kill them more efficiently (at least, that's what he says, but he's a horribly sadistic monster), so he's well past that point when we meet him. However, he becomes this in the eyes of Minmax (who doesn't know about the rest of his horrific actions) when he admits to healing his "pet" Yuan-Ti after beating and raping her into negative HP. He ponders over what Goblinslayer says for a moment, then chucks the bastard through a window.

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* Goblinslayer from ''{{Goblins}}'' is a horrible bastard who tortures so-called "monstrous races" to get a better understanding of their biology and kill them more efficiently (at least, that's what he says, but he's a horribly sadistic monster), so he's well past that point when we meet him. However, he becomes this in the eyes of Minmax (who doesn't know about the rest of his horrific actions) when he admits to healing his "pet" Yuan-Ti after beating and raping her into negative HP. He ponders over what Goblinslayer says for a moment, then chucks the bastard through a window.
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** [[spoiler: Eridan]] is seen as an IneffectualSympatheticVillain, even when announces that [[FaceHeelTurn he wants to join the villain]] [[spoiler: Jack]]...mostly because based off what we've seen from said villain, the very idea falls into WhatAnIdiot and TooDumbToLive territory. [[spoiler: Then Eridan kills Feferi.]] Not so sympathetic now, though he's probably [[KarmicDeath still]] [[AssholeVictim screwed]].

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** [[spoiler: Eridan]] is seen as an IneffectualSympatheticVillain, even when announces that [[FaceHeelTurn he wants to join the villain]] [[spoiler: Jack]]...mostly because based off what we've seen from said villain, the very idea falls into WhatAnIdiot and TooDumbToLive territory. [[spoiler: Then Eridan kills Feferi.]] Not so sympathetic now, though he's probably [[KarmicDeath still]] [[AssholeVictim screwed]].
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*** Sadly, this time she's jumped right off irretrievably, by [[spoiler:talking John into being put to sleep, allowing Jack Noir to KILL HIM. And then she gloats about it.]]

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*** [[spoiler: She just murdered Tavros.]] [[KilledOffForReal For real.]]]] If it wasn't already clear by this point, it is fair to say that she plays jump-rope with [[MoralEventHorizon Moral Event Horizons]].
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* In GeneralProtectionFault, Ki stood by her fiance Sam even as almost certainly true rumors of him cheating on her spread. When she [[spoiler:decided to have sex with him, only to be unable to go through with it, he tried to rape her in a fit of rage]]. When he came to apologize, she told him that she would not be able to forgive him for that, and returned his engagement ring, breaking up with him in the process.
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* Another {{Jack}} does this in his life when he [[OmnicidalManiac wipes out humanity]] and [[HistoryRepeats breaks time]]. Of course, when we see him, he's a RetiredCompleteMonster cum TheAtoner.

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**** "''Old fashioned''"? What part of [[spoiler: [[MagnificentBastard crippling your love interest through the aforementioned scheme so he couldn't escape your advances, manipulating possibly your only true friend and unrequited lover into making an outfit to prey on your love interest's likes, and then trying to force yourself on said love interest after he crashes into your room and cannot move]] is old fashioned? If anything it shows just how far past the horizon she'd gone.]]
**** And speaking of her crossing it, [[spoiler: the "Make Her Pay" flash pretty much cements this. Vriska executes a plot using her psychic ability to control Tavros (her love interest, no less) to commune with Terezi's parent in order to cause the parent to control Terezi to ''stare into the sun'', blinding her. All because Vriska was punished, albeit disproportionally, for stealing a different character's items.]]
**** Of course, said character is [[spoiler:basically the GOD of the trolls' world, and Terezi had only punished Vriska for, you guessed it, [[MoralEventHorizon mindcontrolling one of her so-called 'friends' in to murdering the one person who cared about him the most.]]]]
**** Now it turns out that Vriska [[spoiler: sent John to sleep before he could help Jade prototype her kernelsprite. Because of this, Becquerel had to prototype himself with it in order to save Jade, which gave Jack Noir the powers of a first guardian. He then proceeded to use them to mess up the kids' entire session which drove them to open a rift into the troll's universe. This allowed Jack to prevent them from getting their End Game prize and as well as letting him destroy their version of Prospit and Derse. So everything bad that happened to royally screw the trolls and the kids is basically '''all her fault'''.]]

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**** *** "''Old fashioned''"? What part of [[spoiler: [[MagnificentBastard crippling your love interest through the aforementioned scheme so he couldn't escape your advances, manipulating possibly your only true friend and unrequited lover into making an outfit to prey on your love interest's likes, and then trying to force yourself on said love interest after he crashes into your room and cannot move]] is old fashioned? If anything it shows just how far past the horizon she'd gone.]]
**** *** And speaking of her crossing it, [[spoiler: the "Make Her Pay" flash pretty much cements this. Vriska executes a plot using her psychic ability to control Tavros (her love interest, no less) to commune with Terezi's parent in order to cause the parent to control Terezi to ''stare into the sun'', blinding her. All because Vriska was punished, albeit disproportionally, for stealing a different character's items.]]
**** *** Of course, said character is [[spoiler:basically the GOD of the trolls' world, and Terezi had only punished Vriska for, you guessed it, [[MoralEventHorizon mindcontrolling one of her so-called 'friends' in to murdering the one person who cared about him the most.]]]]
**** *** Now it turns out that Vriska [[spoiler: sent John to sleep before he could help Jade prototype her kernelsprite. Because of this, Becquerel had to prototype himself with it in order to save Jade, which gave Jack Noir the powers of a first guardian. He then proceeded to use them to mess up the kids' entire session which drove them to open a rift into the troll's universe. This allowed Jack to prevent them from getting their End Game prize and as well as letting him destroy their version of Prospit and Derse. So everything bad that happened to royally screw the trolls and the kids is basically '''all her fault'''.]]]]
*** [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Howsabout we leave it at]] [[BaseBreaker "Vriska is a very polarizing character"?]]



** Autumn, the StalkerWithACrush who [[spoiler: tries to kill the girl her crush is taking to the dance]], for example.
** Or, in the "Ty and Rosaline" arc, [[spoiler: Ty not only abuses his loving wife repeatedly, but drives her to contact SuicideForHire...and, after her suicide, makes the fatal mistake of contacting them himself to arrange ''his'' suicide. They do...oh, don't they just!]]

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** Autumn, the StalkerWithACrush who [[spoiler: tries [[spoiler:tries to kill the girl her crush is taking to the dance]], for example.
** Or, in the "Ty and Rosaline" arc, [[spoiler: Ty [[spoiler:Ty not only abuses his loving wife repeatedly, but drives her to contact SuicideForHire...and, after her suicide, makes the fatal mistake of contacting them himself to arrange ''his'' suicide. They do...oh, don't they just!]]just!]]
* ''{{Sinfest}}'' has the resident {{Fundie}} Seymour's [[KickTheDog speech]] (arc starts [[http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=3662 here]]) to resident DarkIsNotEvil [[HotAsHell devil girl]] Fuchsia (who happens to be the page image for PunchClockVillain). This is made worse by the fact that Fuchsia is [[LoveRedeems genuinely nice and is actively trying to change her ways]]...
--> '''Seymour''': [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Her kind]] [[FantasticRacism doesn't belong here.]] [[DethroningMomentOfSuck She'll be better off down there with the rest of the sinful wretch-]]
--> '''[[BewareTheNiceOnes Criminy]]''': [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome ENOUGH.]]
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* Kyle in ''SomethingPositive'', [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp05242004.shtml here.]] Bad enough that he's a misandrist jerk, worse that he's cheating on a member of the cast, but what completely pushes him over the line is that he's bragging to a reforming JerkAss who would move heaven and earth to have the woman Kyle's discarding. His [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp10292004.shtml comeuppance]] delighted the bulk of the comic's notoriously UnpleasableFanbase.

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* Kyle in ''SomethingPositive'', [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp05242004.shtml here.]] Bad enough that he's a misandrist jerk, worse that he's cheating on a member of the cast, but what completely pushes him over the line is that he's bragging to a reforming JerkAss who would move heaven and earth to have the woman Kyle's discarding. His [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp10292004.shtml comeuppance]] delighted the bulk of the comic's notoriously UnpleasableFanbase.UnpleasableFanbase.
* While the CompleteMonster protagonists of SuicideForHire spend a lot of time on the far side of the MoralEventHorizon, many (if not most) of their clientele also cross that line...
** Autumn, the StalkerWithACrush who [[spoiler: tries to kill the girl her crush is taking to the dance]], for example.
** Or, in the "Ty and Rosaline" arc, [[spoiler: Ty not only abuses his loving wife repeatedly, but drives her to contact SuicideForHire...and, after her suicide, makes the fatal mistake of contacting them himself to arrange ''his'' suicide. They do...oh, don't they just!]]

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** ItGotWorse. Due to [[spoiler: Becquerel prototyping himself with Jade's kernelsprite, he is an unbeatable boss. Turns out he is the one who killed all the trolls dreamselves as well as destroying their versions of Prospit and Derse.]] Also, [[spoiler: he killed Bro by impaling him through the heart with his own sword, and it's implied that he also killed Davesprite.]]



**** Of course, said character is [[spoiler:basically the GOD of the trolls' world, and Terezi had only punished Vriska for, you guessed it, [[MoralEventHorizon mindcontrolling one of her so-called 'friends' in to murdering his GIRLFRIEND.]]]]

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**** Of course, said character is [[spoiler:basically the GOD of the trolls' world, and Terezi had only punished Vriska for, you guessed it, [[MoralEventHorizon mindcontrolling one of her so-called 'friends' in to murdering his GIRLFRIEND.]]]]the one person who cared about him the most.]]]]
**** Now it turns out that Vriska [[spoiler: sent John to sleep before he could help Jade prototype her kernelsprite. Because of this, Becquerel had to prototype himself with it in order to save Jade, which gave Jack Noir the powers of a first guardian. He then proceeded to use them to mess up the kids' entire session which drove them to open a rift into the troll's universe. This allowed Jack to prevent them from getting their End Game prize and as well as letting him destroy their version of Prospit and Derse. So everything bad that happened to royally screw the trolls and the kids is basically '''all her fault'''.]]

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