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24th Mar '17 8:04:06 PM KillerClowns
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** Two {{Guest Fighters}}s in ''VideoGame/MortalKombatX'':

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** Two {{Guest Fighters}}s Fighter}}s in ''VideoGame/MortalKombatX'':
24th Mar '17 8:03:36 PM KillerClowns
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** In his GuestFighter appearance in ''VideoGame/MortalKombatX'', [[Franchise/FridayThe13th Jason]]. He doesn't have the [[ArtisticLicenseMartialArts colorful]] martial arts and [[KungFuWizard magical power]] of the other kombatants. Just simply incredible amounts of raw power and endurance. With a temporary special, he's even able to ''[[ImmuneToFlinching march]] [[TheJuggernaut through]]'' the attacks of gods and demons.

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** In his GuestFighter appearance Two {{Guest Fighters}}s in ''VideoGame/MortalKombatX'', ''VideoGame/MortalKombatX'':
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[[Franchise/FridayThe13th Jason]]. He doesn't have the [[ArtisticLicenseMartialArts colorful]] martial arts and [[KungFuWizard magical power]] of the other kombatants. Just simply incredible amounts of raw power and endurance. With a temporary special, he's even able to ''[[ImmuneToFlinching march]] [[TheJuggernaut through]]'' the attacks of gods and demons.demons.
*** [[Franchise/TheTexasChainsawMassacre Leatherface]]. He is seven feet tall, [[StoutStrength freakishly strong]], and can swing a [[ChainsawGood chainsaw]] around like it's nothing. And that's pretty much what he does; few combos, just hard-hitting, wild, brutal attacks.
14th Mar '17 5:57:56 PM ultimomant
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* In ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'', Izuku Midoriya's quirk is a simple SuperStrength power, however he can use it to blow away his opponent just by flicking his finger. Unfortunately, the strain of the power causes his [[HeroicRROD bones to shatter,]] and before he became more used to it, every fight ended with him in much worse shape than his opponent, even when he won. Even after he learns to use less of the power to keep his bones from breaking, he can still only overpower his opponents with superior strength and speed.



* Izuku Midoriya of ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'', his quirk is a simple SuperStrength power, however he can use it to blow away his opponent just by flicking his finger. Unfortunately, the strain of the power causes his [[HeroicRROD bones to shatter,]] and before he became more used to it, every fight ended with him in much worse shape than his opponent, even when he won. Even after he learns to use less of the power to keep his bones from breaking, he can still only overpower his opponents with superior strength and speed.

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* Izuku Midoriya of ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'', his quirk is a simple SuperStrength power, however he can use it to blow away his opponent just by flicking his finger. Unfortunately, the strain of the power causes his [[HeroicRROD bones to shatter,]] and before he became more used to it, every fight ended with him in much worse shape than his opponent, even when he won. Even after he learns to use less of the power to keep his bones from breaking, he can still only overpower his opponents with superior strength and speed.
12th Mar '17 4:15:02 PM Clockwork_Lemon
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* Izuku Midoriya of ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'', his quirk is a simple SuperStrength power, however he can use it to blow away his opponent just by flicking his finger. Unfortunately, the strain of the power causes his [[HeroicRROD bones to shatter,]] and before he became more used to it, every fight ended with him in much worse shape than his opponent, even when he won. Even after he learns to use less of the power to keep his bones from breaking, he can still only overpower his opponents with superior strength and speed.
11th Mar '17 10:42:52 PM Dere
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** Despite popular belief, Superman is actually a [[SubvertedTrope subversion]], when writers remember that he has been trained by some of the greatest martial artists and warriors in the DCU[[note]]such as Batman, Wonder Woman, Wildcat and Mongul[[/note]]. There's a number of stories in which he was depowered or had to fight foes as powerful or more powerful than him and proved to be a masterful fighter, beating them based on fighting skills alone. He just "conveniently" [[ForgotAboutHisPowers tends to forget his skills]] [[CriticalResearchFailure when writers]] have him fight less powerful superheroes like Batman or Wonder Woman, as their fights would end much sooner if he didn't.

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** Despite popular belief, Superman is actually a [[SubvertedTrope subversion]], subversion]]... when writers remember that he has he's actually an expert combatant, having been trained by some of the greatest martial artists and warriors in the DCU[[note]]such as Batman, Wonder Woman, Wildcat and or Mongul[[/note]]. There's a number of stories in which he was depowered or had to fight foes as powerful or more powerful than him and proved to be a masterful fighter, beating them his opponents based on his fighting skills alone. He just "conveniently" [[ForgotAboutHisPowers tends to forget his skills]] [[CriticalResearchFailure when writers]] writers have him fight less powerful superheroes like Batman or Wonder Woman, as their fights would end much sooner if he didn't.didn't. It doesn't help that he rarely has a chance or need to display said skills, given how powerful he is, [[CriticalResearchFailure giving many writers and fans the misconception that he's this trope]].
11th Mar '17 2:43:45 PM Dere
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** Despite popular belief, Superman is actually a [[SubvertedTrope subversion]], when writers remember that he has been trained by some of the greatest martial artists and warriors in the DCU[[note]]such as Batman, Wonder Woman, Wildcat and Mongul[[/note]]. There's a number of stories in which he was depowered or had to fight foes as powerful or more powerful than him and proved to be a masterful fighter, beating them based on fighting skills alone. He just "conveniently" [[ForgotAboutHisPowers tends to forget his skills]] [[CriticalResearchFailure when writers]] have him fight less powerful superheroes like Batman or Wonder Woman, as their fights would end much sooner if he didn't.
9th Mar '17 12:14:20 PM ChaoticNovelist
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*''Film/AssassinsCreed2016'': Ojeda surely doesn't have the fighting skills of an Assassin, but still knows how to put a fight with aid of his raw physical strength and warrior training.
6th Mar '17 9:56:52 AM StFan
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* In the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' episode ''[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]'', Twilight has a lot of difficulty controlling the magic of four alicorns in her body, and even her simple teleport spell she uses all the time messes up. All she can do in her battle with Tirek is blast him with beams of magic; but again, with the power of four alicorns in her, it works well.

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In the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' episode ''[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]'', 2]]", Twilight has a lot of difficulty controlling the magic of four alicorns in her body, and even her simple teleport spell she uses all the time messes up. All she can do in her battle with Tirek is blast him with beams of magic; but again, with the power of four alicorns in her, it works well.



** Applejack shows some of this, justified as she's never claimed to be a fighter. Though incredibly strong, fast and agile, she quickly gets into trouble when faced with the Changelings and [[WeakButSkilled Rarity]] (the prissy ''fashion designer'') once nailed her with a crane kick that she couldn't even begin to defend herself from.
** This comes back to haunt Twilight in ''[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E25TheCutieRemarkPart1 The Cutie Remark]]'' too, where despite being logically a lot more powerful than her opponent she proves unable to land a decent hit (and [[EpicFail at one point hits Rainbow Dash by accident]]).

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** Applejack shows some of this, this -- justified as she's never claimed to be a fighter. Though incredibly strong, fast and agile, she quickly gets into trouble when faced with the Changelings and [[WeakButSkilled Rarity]] (the prissy ''fashion designer'') once nailed her with a crane kick that she couldn't even begin to defend herself from.
** This comes back to haunt Twilight in ''[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E25TheCutieRemarkPart1 "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E25TheCutieRemarkPart1 The Cutie Remark]]'' Remark]]" too, where despite being logically a lot more powerful than her opponent she proves unable to land a decent hit (and [[EpicFail at one point hits Rainbow Dash by accident]]).



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20th Feb '17 1:56:20 PM margdean56
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** This was also subverted in the ''Comicbook/PlanetHulk'' arc where Hulk is marooned on the harsh planet Sakaar and finds himself weaker then he'd normally be on Earth due to unexplained environmental differences. Press ganged into becoming a gladiator, Hulk is forced to develop sufficient skills to survive and claw his way to the top. As a result, by the time the arc ends Hulk has not only gained some combat skills but is even ''stronger'' and smarter then he was before. And also really, ''[[OhCrap really]]'' [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk mad at the people who shot him into space in the first place]]. And then Creator/JephLoeb decided to turn him back into DumbMuscle just because.

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** This was also subverted in the ''Comicbook/PlanetHulk'' arc where Hulk is marooned on the harsh planet Sakaar and finds himself weaker then he'd normally be on Earth due to unexplained environmental differences. Press ganged Press-ganged into becoming a gladiator, Hulk is forced to develop sufficient skills to survive and claw his way to the top. As a result, by the time the arc ends Hulk has not only gained some combat skills but is even ''stronger'' and smarter then he was before. And also really, ''[[OhCrap really]]'' [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk mad at the people who shot him into space in the first place]]. And then Creator/JephLoeb decided to turn him back into DumbMuscle just because.



** Also Batman taught him some martial arts. And Ali gave BoxingLessonsForSuperman

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** Also Batman taught him some martial arts. And Ali gave BoxingLessonsForSupermanBoxingLessonsForSuperman.



* Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} is often subject to this. Usually several veteran heroes help her take a level in badass (her cousin shows her how to use her powers, Batman and even Wonder Woman teaches her how to fight without them) so she is not helpless if she cannot resort to her super-powers.

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* Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} is often subject to this. Usually several veteran heroes help her [[TookALevelInBadass take a level in badass badass]] (her cousin shows her how to use her powers, Batman and even Wonder Woman teaches teach her how to fight without them) so she is not helpless if she cannot resort to her super-powers.



* During the finale of ''ComicBook/{{Knightfall}}'', ''[=KnightsEnd=]'', ComicBook/{{Azrael}} is this towards the WeakButSkilled Bruce Wayne and ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} - Azbats is outfitted with a suit of armor that is built more like PoweredArmor and relies heavily on it. Bruce is able to slap Azbats around using things against him and the only reason Nightwing lost to him was because he got caught off-guard by a lady refusing to leave the slots on a casino boat.

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* During the finale of ''ComicBook/{{Knightfall}}'', ''[=KnightsEnd=]'', ComicBook/{{Azrael}} is this towards the WeakButSkilled Bruce Wayne and ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} - -- Azbats is outfitted with a suit of armor that is built more like PoweredArmor and relies heavily on it. Bruce is able to slap Azbats around using things against him and the only reason Nightwing lost to him was because he got caught off-guard by a lady refusing to leave the slots on a casino boat.



** Marvel handbooks gives most of cosmic beings like Eternity or Death maximal stats at everything except fighting skills. When you're omnipotent you don't really need skill.

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** Marvel handbooks gives give most of cosmic beings like Eternity or Death maximal stats at everything except fighting skills. When you're omnipotent you don't really need skill.



* While [[ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}} The Plutonian]] often shows himself to be very intelligent and more then able to outwit his foes, when finally forced into combat with someone on his level of power he gets his ass kicked as he never needed to learn to fight.
** Weirdly, this is [[ZigZaggingTrope Zig Zagged]]; in the last issue of his spin-off, Max Damage recounts a story of how he once lured the Plutonian (pre-FaceHeelTurn) into an area that nullified both their powers, assuming this trope would let him win because he had a backstory as a mundane and the Plutonian didn't... only to find that the Plutonian was entirely capable of fighting unpowered and getting his ass handed to him. Possibly Max is exaggerating for effect, or perhaps he qualifies himself.

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* While [[ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}} The Plutonian]] often shows himself to be very intelligent and more then than able to outwit his foes, when finally forced into combat with someone on his level of power he gets his ass kicked as he never needed to learn to fight.
** Weirdly, this is [[ZigZaggingTrope Zig Zagged]]; in the last issue of his spin-off, Max Damage recounts a story of how he once lured the Plutonian (pre-FaceHeelTurn) into an area that nullified both their powers, assuming this trope would let him win because he had a backstory as a mundane and the Plutonian didn't... only to find that the Plutonian was entirely capable of fighting unpowered unpowered, and getting his ass handed to him. Possibly Max is exaggerating for effect, or perhaps he qualifies himself.



* ''Punch Drunk'' has detective Mick Brown repeatedly run afoul of a massive criminal strongarm he affectionately dubs "the Big Lug." When things finally get physical between them, Mick notes in narration that big enforcer types like the Lug rarely have much (if any) fighting experience; usually when they hit a guy he's already helpless, and they don't get into fights in the first place because not many people are brave enough to step to someone their size.

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* ''Punch Drunk'' has detective Mick Brown repeatedly run afoul of a massive criminal strongarm he affectionately dubs "the Big Lug." When things finally get physical between them, Mick notes in narration that big enforcer types like the Lug rarely have much (if any) fighting experience; usually when they hit a guy he's already helpless, and they don't get into fights in the first place because not many people are brave enough to step up to someone their size.



** The Raider is this, relying on his strength and his hand blasts in combat. He makes up by being ''really'' strong, MadeOfIron, and a CombatPragmatist ready to use his TimeMachine to have another Raider show up behind you or [[SaveScumming make sure you can't even show up at the fight because he sicked the police on you]];
** Korinna and Juniper Ducklair have ''immense'' psychic powers but little knowledge on how to use them, resulting in their more skilled father Everett holding his own against Korinna in psychic combat [[WillfullyWeak without even using his knowledge of magic or his martial arts skills]] ([[JustifiedTrope as he wasn't trying to overpower her but to convince her to stand down]]);

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** The Raider is this, relying on his strength and his hand blasts in combat. He makes up for it by being ''really'' strong, MadeOfIron, and a CombatPragmatist ready to use his TimeMachine to have another Raider show up behind you or [[SaveScumming make sure you can't even show up at the fight because he sicked the police on you]];
** Korinna and Juniper Ducklair have ''immense'' psychic powers but little knowledge on of how to use them, resulting in their more skilled father Everett holding his own against Korinna in psychic combat [[WillfullyWeak without even using his knowledge of magic or his martial arts skills]] ([[JustifiedTrope as he wasn't trying to overpower her but to convince her to stand down]]);



* Franchise/SpiderMan villain Electro. His power to control and project electricity is ''insanely'' strong, and all things considered he should be an Avengers-level villain. The problem is that Electro isn't very smart and has never thought to train himself, thinking he can just bulldoze through everything. The result is that he can't control his powers well-enough to use them to their real potential, an issue that has become progressively worse for him the older he gets. One of the few times he actually does, he fights evenly with Nate Grey - then a partial example of this trope (he had the skills, he was just thoroughly impetuous, short tempered and prone to SuperpowerMeltdown - who was essentially Cable minus the Techno-Organic Virus and dialled UpToEleven and had beaten seven shades of excrement out of his world's version of Apocalypse before leaving him for Magneto to kill.

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* Franchise/SpiderMan villain Electro. His power to control and project electricity is ''insanely'' strong, and all things considered he should be an Avengers-level villain. The problem is that Electro isn't very smart and has never thought to train himself, thinking he can just bulldoze through everything. The result is that he can't control his powers well-enough well enough to use them to their real potential, an issue that has become progressively worse for him the older he gets. One of the few times he actually does, he fights evenly with Nate Grey - -- then a partial example of this trope (he had the skills, he was just thoroughly impetuous, short tempered and prone to SuperpowerMeltdown - SuperpowerMeltdown) -- who was essentially Cable minus the Techno-Organic Virus and dialled UpToEleven and had beaten seven shades of excrement out of his world's version of Apocalypse before leaving him for Magneto to kill.
20th Feb '17 6:56:10 AM Gosicrystal
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** In a [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10917821/1/The-questionable-burdens-of-leadership-of-a-troll-Emperor sequel]], this also applies to Naruto's wife Xanna. Unlike her husband, she's never been a mortal so she never learned to fight like one. When Naruto deliberately blocks both from using their RealityWarper powers, she telepathically copies his fighting style but still is no match for Naruto since she doesn't have the experience and improvisation skill he does.

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** * In a [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10917821/1/The-questionable-burdens-of-leadership-of-a-troll-Emperor sequel]], this also applies to Naruto's wife Xanna. Unlike her husband, she's never been a mortal so she never learned to fight like one. When Naruto deliberately blocks both from using their RealityWarper powers, she telepathically copies his fighting style but still is no match for Naruto since she doesn't have the experience and improvisation skill he does.



However, thanks to the AdaptationalBadass treatment he receives in ''VideoGame/HyruleWarriors'' (In part to the ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'' style gameplay), he seems to have improved significantly, his sword skills being more fluid, focused, and precise. He's also learned to better mesh his magic with his physical skills to make him [[ConfusionFu more unpredictable than before]] such as using a PortalNetwork to summon [[ImprobableWeaponUser various objects]] or finishing off a boss by using a SpinAttack to launch himself into the air and growing giant to deliver a FinishingStomp. However, it's still far from flawless as shown when he either trips over himself or gets dizzy after {{Overheating}} certain combos.

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However, thanks to the AdaptationalBadass treatment he receives in ''VideoGame/HyruleWarriors'' (In (in part to the ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'' style gameplay), he seems to have improved significantly, his sword skills being more fluid, focused, and precise. He's also learned to better mesh his magic with his physical skills to make him [[ConfusionFu more unpredictable than before]] such as using a PortalNetwork to summon [[ImprobableWeaponUser various objects]] or finishing off a boss by using a SpinAttack to launch himself into the air and growing giant to deliver a FinishingStomp. However, it's still far from flawless as shown when he either trips over himself or gets dizzy after {{Overheating}} certain combos.



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* Gakuto from ''VisualNovel/MajiDeWatashiNiKoiShinasai'' works out constantly to the point where he can easily lift a car, break down a wall and take on groups of up to 70 thugs on his own through sheer muscle power. The only problem is he ''only'' works on his muscles while his female friends all practice martial arts, meaning that while he's ''physically'' one of the strongest, his lack of combat ability compared to them makes him come off as mediocre. Naturally, he is the game's biggest ButtMonkey.
** [[SleepyHead Tatsuko Itagaki]] from the same game is another example. She has [[TheBerserker the sheer power]] to be a OneManArmy but lacks the technique or the drive to hold her own against similarly powerful martial artists.
** A lesser example would be Shouichi Kazama, who is [[BornLucky obscenely talented at everything he tries]] and has naturally strong legs. Both of these give him the potential to be an excellent fighter but his [[AttentionDeficitOohShiny ridiculously small attention span]] prevents him from ever pursuing it seriously

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Gakuto from ''VisualNovel/MajiDeWatashiNiKoiShinasai'' works out constantly to the point where he can easily lift a car, break down a wall and take on groups of up to 70 thugs on his own through sheer muscle power. The only problem is he ''only'' works on his muscles while his female friends all practice martial arts, meaning that while he's ''physically'' one of the strongest, his lack of combat ability compared to them makes him come off as mediocre. Naturally, he is the game's biggest ButtMonkey.
** [[SleepyHead Tatsuko Itagaki]] from the same game is another example. She has [[TheBerserker the sheer power]] to be a OneManArmy but lacks the technique or the drive to hold her own against similarly powerful martial artists.
** A lesser example would be Shouichi Kazama, who Kazama is [[BornLucky obscenely talented at everything he tries]] and has naturally strong legs. Both of these give him the potential to be an excellent fighter but his [[AttentionDeficitOohShiny ridiculously small attention span]] prevents him from ever pursuing it seriously
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