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13th May '17 6:33:52 PM DarkHunter
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** Grace herself falls into this, as well, as she defeats Damien solely because of her BerserkButton (well, that, and her powerset was deliberately meant to counter his). This has since been discussed, and Grace started [[BoxingLessonsForSuperman martial arts training.]]

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** Grace herself falls into this, as well, as she defeats Damien solely because of her BerserkButton (well, that, and her powerset was deliberately meant designed to counter his). This has since been discussed, and Grace started [[BoxingLessonsForSuperman martial arts training.]]
3rd May '17 7:45:59 PM EonADS
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*** In baseball, this trope may work for a while, but eventually a player either gains the skill to hold their own or loses their edge entirely. Lefty reliever Rex Brothers of the Colorado Rockies is a prime example. With an absolutely game-breaking slider and a mid-90's fastball, Brothers was hailed as the "Closer of the Future" and the replacement for aging superstars Rafael Bethancourt and LaTroy Hawkins. Indeed, in his first half-season in the role in 2013, he racked up 19 saves with a sub-2.00 ERA. However, his control was always a weak point; Brothers never recorded a walk rate less than an already uncomfortable 11.6%. This came back to bite him in 2014; his ERA ballooned to an unplayable 5.59 as his walk rate passed the 14% mark. He seemingly made a comeback in 2015 with a 1.74 ERA over a 10 inning cup of coffee, but his walk and strikeout rates were horrifyingly bad and only masked by career best BABIP (batting average on balls in play) and left-on-base rates. He was invited to spring training with the Cubs in 2016 and later released, and has never pitched in the majors again as of May 2017.

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*** In baseball, this trope may work for a while, but eventually a player either gains the skill to hold their own or loses their edge entirely. Lefty reliever Rex Brothers of the Colorado Rockies is a prime example. With an absolutely game-breaking slider and a mid-90's fastball, Brothers was hailed as the "Closer of the Future" and the replacement for aging superstars Rafael Bethancourt and LaTroy Hawkins. Indeed, in his first half-season in the role in 2013, he racked up 19 saves with a sub-2.00 ERA. However, his control was always a weak point; Brothers never recorded a walk rate less than an already uncomfortable 11.6%. This came back to bite him in 2014; his ERA ballooned to an unplayable 5.59 as his walk rate passed the 14% mark. He seemingly made a comeback in 2015 with a 1.74 ERA over a 10 inning cup of coffee, but his walk and strikeout rates were horrifyingly bad and only masked by career best BABIP (batting average on balls in play) and left-on-base rates. He was invited to spring training with the Cubs in 2016 and later released, and has never pitched in the majors again as of May Braves in 2017. It's unlikely that he'll ever make a comeback to major league baseball.
3rd May '17 7:38:29 PM EonADS
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** Averted in baseball, which even before the Moneyball/sabermetrics era (early 2000's) looked for players who had the "five tools." Those tools were: arm, running speed, hit for contact, hit for power, and fielding. A player's skill set was considered invaluable. Since the Moneyball era, raw athletic talent has been discounted as the ability to perform has risen in value, regardless of how the player was able to get those numbers. Notably, scouting agencies now look at stats which only real baseball eggheads will normally care about.

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** Averted or significantly downplayed in baseball, which even before the Moneyball/sabermetrics era (early 2000's) looked for players who had the "five tools." Those tools were: arm, running speed, hit for contact, hit for power, and fielding. A player's skill set was considered invaluable. Since the Moneyball era, raw athletic talent has been discounted as the ability to perform has risen in value, regardless of how the player was able to get those numbers. Notably, scouting agencies now look at stats which only real baseball eggheads will normally care about.about.
*** In baseball, this trope may work for a while, but eventually a player either gains the skill to hold their own or loses their edge entirely. Lefty reliever Rex Brothers of the Colorado Rockies is a prime example. With an absolutely game-breaking slider and a mid-90's fastball, Brothers was hailed as the "Closer of the Future" and the replacement for aging superstars Rafael Bethancourt and LaTroy Hawkins. Indeed, in his first half-season in the role in 2013, he racked up 19 saves with a sub-2.00 ERA. However, his control was always a weak point; Brothers never recorded a walk rate less than an already uncomfortable 11.6%. This came back to bite him in 2014; his ERA ballooned to an unplayable 5.59 as his walk rate passed the 14% mark. He seemingly made a comeback in 2015 with a 1.74 ERA over a 10 inning cup of coffee, but his walk and strikeout rates were horrifyingly bad and only masked by career best BABIP (batting average on balls in play) and left-on-base rates. He was invited to spring training with the Cubs in 2016 and later released, and has never pitched in the majors again as of May 2017.
2nd May '17 5:59:22 AM CosmicFerret
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He learned over the years, and following the Shaman Reboot towards the end of his series, he solved the problem of his genetic flaw and TookALevelInBadass, treating the multiverse as his personal stepladder, wandering up and down 'the Spiral' of parallel worlds as he pleased and on his return in the ''Dark X-Men'' miniseries, showing the ability to step outside of time and thereby see the future (one of three hundred ways he had to do so, according to him), transform himself into energy and back again. He also took on all of the Dark X-Men and Dark Avengers (minus the Sentry, who Osborn reckoned Nate could match in a straight fight) without breaking a sweat while politely critiquing their technique and remarking why each attack wouldn't work. The only one who gave him trouble was [[GodOfWar Ares]], and since he was in the midst of executing what would prove to be an almost perfect BatmanGambit against Osborn, there was no guarantee that he wasn't just throwing the fight. During the ''Unfinished Business'' run on ''ComicBook/NewMutants'', he was described by Sunspot as a RealityWarper, and with good reason. Needless to say, he was mostly DePowered thereafter.

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He learned over the years, and following the Shaman Reboot towards the end of his series, he solved the problem of his genetic flaw and TookALevelInBadass, treating the multiverse as his personal stepladder, wandering up and down 'the Spiral' of parallel worlds as he pleased and on his return in the ''Dark X-Men'' miniseries, showing the ability to step outside of time and thereby see the future (one of three hundred ways he had to do so, according to him), transform himself into energy and back again. He also took on all of the Dark X-Men and Dark Avengers (minus the Sentry, who Osborn reckoned Nate could match in a straight fight) without breaking a sweat while politely critiquing their technique and remarking why each attack wouldn't work. The only one who gave him trouble was [[GodOfWar [[WarGod Ares]], and since he was in the midst of executing what would prove to be an almost perfect BatmanGambit against Osborn, there was no guarantee that he wasn't just throwing the fight. During the ''Unfinished Business'' run on ''ComicBook/NewMutants'', he was described by Sunspot as a RealityWarper, and with good reason. Needless to say, he was mostly DePowered thereafter.
30th Apr '17 9:16:10 AM SirPellucidar
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* In one episode of Stargate SG-1, O'Neill tries to teach Teal'c how to box. While he fails to grasp the principles of moving and blocking, he still easily wins after O'Neill's first punch does nothing to him and his own first punch knocks his opponent to the ground.
29th Apr '17 9:31:39 AM nombretomado
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* MarvelCinematicUniverse:

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19th Apr '17 6:02:54 AM Steinman76
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* Discussed in ''[[Fanfic/BloodBondBloodOmenSeries Bleeding Out]]'': Ron has far less training and skill than Monkey Fist, but since he ''has'' achieved a level of basic competence, and he's channeling absolutely ''vast'' amounts of the Mystic Monkey Power at the time, it doesn't do Monkey Fist any good.
19th Apr '17 5:36:30 AM Steinman76
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*** An example: the one time he uses his sorcery to control the weather, he nearly causes an ice age ''by accident'', and the more experienced sorcerers have to spend six months running all over the globe to fix it.
18th Apr '17 7:09:49 PM SirPellucidar
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* In Thanos Quest, the Elder of the Universe known as the Champion was portrayed this way. Many fans consider this to be bad writing, as he was previously portrayed as the most skilled martial artist in the universe, having mastered fighting styles from all over the cosmos and possessing billions of years of experience.
18th Apr '17 3:04:53 PM Dere
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** Despite popular belief, Superman is actually a [[SubvertedTrope subversion]]... when writers remember that he's actually an expert combatant, having been trained by some of the greatest martial artists and warriors in the DCU[[note]]such as Batman, Wonder Woman, Wildcat or Mongul[[/note]]. There's a number of stories in which he was depowered or had to fight foes as powerful or more powerful than him and proved to be a masterful fighter, beating his opponents based on his fighting skills alone. He just "conveniently" [[ForgotAboutHisPowers tends to forget his skills]] when writers have him fight less powerful superheroes like Batman or Wonder Woman, as their fights would end much sooner if he didn't. It doesn't help that he rarely has a chance or need to display said skills, given how powerful he is, [[CriticalResearchFailure giving many writers and fans the misconception that he's this trope]].

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** Despite popular belief, Superman is actually a [[SubvertedTrope subversion]]... when writers remember that he's actually an expert combatant, having been trained by some of the greatest martial artists and warriors in the DCU[[note]]such as Batman, Wonder Woman, Wildcat or Mongul[[/note]]. There's a number of stories in which he was depowered or had to fight foes as powerful or more powerful than him and proved to be a masterful fighter, beating his opponents based on his fighting skills alone. He just "conveniently" [[ForgotAboutHisPowers tends to forget his skills]] when writers have him fight less powerful superheroes like Batman or Wonder Woman, as their fights would end much sooner if he didn't. It doesn't help that he rarely has a chance or need to display said skills, given how powerful he is, [[CriticalResearchFailure giving leading many writers and fans to the misconception that he's this trope]].
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