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14th Jul '16 5:46:37 AM Morgenthaler
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* [[RedheadedHero Cord MaKiy]] from the ''Literature/{{ColSec Trilogy}}'' seems to have no unarmed combat skill beyond "slug it until it falls over." But that said, if he ''manages'' to slug it, [[CharlesAtlasSuperpower it usually falls over]].

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* [[RedheadedHero Cord MaKiy]] [=MaKiy=] from the ''Literature/{{ColSec Trilogy}}'' seems to have no unarmed combat skill beyond "slug it until it falls over." But that said, if he ''manages'' to slug it, [[CharlesAtlasSuperpower it usually falls over]].
13th Jul '16 4:40:59 AM Kazmahu
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** Once he gets over his [[HeroicRROD teething problems]] with [[AmplifierArtifact Boosted Gear]], Issei runs headlong into this trope. He's capable of ''anyone'' once he gets rolling, but the applications of his power trend towards brute force. Becomes a DiscussedTrope, as Issei notes this power is no good if he can't hit anything, and he trains with [[WeakButSkilled Kiba]] to overcome this very weakness. And when he does get some utility skills, they're [[PowerPerversionPotential fueled by his perversion]] and situationally practical at best.
** Xenovia is nearly as bad, being the original bearer of the nickname "Power Idiot" for her habit of handling every situation by plunging in sword-first. Long-time comrade Irina commiserates that she's always been like this.
** The heroes in general have a problem with this: Rias' powers are great for erasing things for existence, but she has very few utility spells. Akeno focuses on magic nukes and has poor defense for her tier. Koneko has only FullContactMagic to her name and struggles out of melee. This is underscored during the Gremory-Sitri Ratings Game, where[[spoiler: Team Sitri realized during the planning stages that they'd be hosed in a straight fight, and base their entire strategy on avoiding one]].

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** Once he gets over his [[HeroicRROD teething problems]] with [[AmplifierArtifact Boosted Gear]], Issei runs headlong into this trope. He's capable of overpowering ''anyone'' once he gets rolling, but the applications of his power trend towards brute force. And when he does get some utility skills, they're [[PowerPerversionPotential fueled by his perversion]] and situationally practical at best. Becomes a DiscussedTrope, as Issei notes this power is no good if he can't hit anything, and he trains with [[WeakButSkilled Kiba]] to overcome this very weakness. And when he does get some utility skills, they're [[PowerPerversionPotential fueled by his perversion]] and situationally practical at best.
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** Xenovia is nearly as bad, being the original bearer of the nickname "Power Idiot" for her habit of handling every situation by plunging in sword-first.sword first. Long-time comrade Irina commiserates that she's always been like this.
** The heroes in general have a problem with this: Rias' powers are great for erasing things for existence, but she has very few utility spells.defensive options. Akeno focuses on magic nukes and has poor defense for her tier. Koneko has only SuperStrength and FullContactMagic to her name and struggles out of melee. with enemies she can't punch. This is underscored during the Gremory-Sitri Ratings Game, where[[spoiler: Team where [[spoiler:Team Sitri realized during the planning stages that they'd be hosed in a straight fight, and base their entire strategy on avoiding one]].
13th Jul '16 4:37:24 AM Kazmahu
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* In ''LightNovel/HighSchoolDXD'', once Issei becomes a lot stronger than before, he gets hit with this trope seeing as his strength is pretty much him being able to dish out a lot of damage to his opponents. However, he notes that if he can't even hit them then what's the point.

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* In ''LightNovel/HighSchoolDXD'', once Issei becomes a lot stronger than before, ''LightNovel/HighSchoolDXD'':
** Once
he gets hit over his [[HeroicRROD teething problems]] with [[AmplifierArtifact Boosted Gear]], Issei runs headlong into this trope seeing as trope. He's capable of ''anyone'' once he gets rolling, but the applications of his strength is pretty much him being able to dish out power trend towards brute force. Becomes a lot of damage to his opponents. However, he DiscussedTrope, as Issei notes that this power is no good if he can't even hit them then what's anything, and he trains with [[WeakButSkilled Kiba]] to overcome this very weakness. And when he does get some utility skills, they're [[PowerPerversionPotential fueled by his perversion]] and situationally practical at best.
** Xenovia is nearly as bad, being
the point.original bearer of the nickname "Power Idiot" for her habit of handling every situation by plunging in sword-first. Long-time comrade Irina commiserates that she's always been like this.
** The heroes in general have a problem with this: Rias' powers are great for erasing things for existence, but she has very few utility spells. Akeno focuses on magic nukes and has poor defense for her tier. Koneko has only FullContactMagic to her name and struggles out of melee. This is underscored during the Gremory-Sitri Ratings Game, where[[spoiler: Team Sitri realized during the planning stages that they'd be hosed in a straight fight, and base their entire strategy on avoiding one]].
11th Jul '16 6:19:46 PM sgamer82
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*** Although Future Trunks is disciplined and a CombatPragmatist, since he didn't have anybody to train him after Future Gohan died, he doesn't have a full grasp of fundamental fighting concepts.[[note]]And Gohan himself probably couldn't have imparted this knowledge very well to begin with; see above.[[/note]] Cell mocks him for relying on brute force and for not noticing the flaw of the Ultra Super Saiyan form (it increases strength but decreases speed and stamina, making it almost useless against an equal or superior fighter). Goku notices the flaw as soon as he achieves the form and so declines to use it. To quote Goku, "What good is strength if I can't catch my opponent?"

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*** Although Future Trunks is disciplined and a CombatPragmatist, since he didn't have anybody to train him after Future Gohan died, he doesn't have a full grasp of fundamental fighting concepts.[[note]]And Gohan himself probably couldn't have imparted this knowledge very well to begin with; see above.[[/note]] Cell mocks him for relying on brute force and for not noticing the flaw of the Ultra Super Saiyan form (it increases strength but decreases speed and stamina, making it almost useless against an equal or superior fighter). Goku notices the flaw as soon as he achieves the form and so declines to use it. To quote Goku, "What good is strength if I can't catch my opponent?"
11th Jul '16 2:08:07 AM K
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*** Although Future Trunks is disciplined and a CombatPragmatist, since he didn't have anybody to train him after Future Gohan died, he doesn't have a full grasp of fundamental fighting concepts. Cell mocks him for relying on brute force and for not noticing the flaw of the Ultra Super Saiyan form (it increases strength but decreases speed and stamina, making it almost useless against an equal or superior fighter). Goku notices the flaw as soon as he achieves the form and so declines to use it. To quote Goku, "What good is strength if I can't catch my opponent?"

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*** Although Future Trunks is disciplined and a CombatPragmatist, since he didn't have anybody to train him after Future Gohan died, he doesn't have a full grasp of fundamental fighting concepts. [[note]]And Gohan himself probably couldn't have imparted this knowledge very well to begin with; see above.[[/note]] Cell mocks him for relying on brute force and for not noticing the flaw of the Ultra Super Saiyan form (it increases strength but decreases speed and stamina, making it almost useless against an equal or superior fighter). Goku notices the flaw as soon as he achieves the form and so declines to use it. To quote Goku, "What good is strength if I can't catch my opponent?"
2nd Jul '16 7:19:38 AM GentlemensDame883
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* Yahweh is described as this in ''Literature/TheSalvationWar: Pantheocide'' when [[spoiler: He fights with Michael]]. Due to being so much stronger than anyone else, he's never learned the need to finely control his power, using far more of it than necessary.

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* Yahweh is described as this in ''Literature/TheSalvationWar: Pantheocide'' Pantheocide'':
** Yahweh is described as this
when [[spoiler: He fights with Michael]]. Due to being so much stronger than anyone else, he's never learned the need to finely control his power, using far more of it than necessary.necessary.
** By virtue of using bronze-age tactics against humans, the demons can come off as this. Despite having superhuman abilities and while there's definite strategy there, any semblance of it collapses against modern weaponry, and as far as humanity is concerned the demons are just hurling themselves at their bombs and bullets waving their tridents over their heads and screaming.
28th Jun '16 11:38:44 AM DannWoolf
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** Grace herself falls into this, as well, as she defeats Damien solely because of her BerserkButton(Well, that, and her powerset was deliberately meant to counter his). This has since been discussed, and Grace started [[BoxingLessonsForSuperman martial arts training.]]

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** Grace herself falls into this, as well, as she defeats Damien solely because of her BerserkButton(Well, BerserkButton (well, that, and her powerset was deliberately meant to counter his). This has since been discussed, and Grace started [[BoxingLessonsForSuperman martial arts training.]]
26th Jun '16 9:06:18 PM nombretomado
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* [[StarterVillain Victor Sells/The Shadowman]] from ''TheDresdenFiles'' is at least as strong a magical talent as the title character, particularly when powered up by the storms he draws on, but because he has little formal magical training he makes some sloppy errors that Harry is able to exploit, and can't think of creative methods to deal with Harry beyond "smash harder", while Harry, crippled by being unable to kill with magic, outwits him easily.

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* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'':
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[[StarterVillain Victor Sells/The Shadowman]] from ''TheDresdenFiles'' is at least as strong a magical talent as the title character, particularly when powered up by the storms he draws on, but because he has little formal magical training he makes some sloppy errors that Harry is able to exploit, and can't think of creative methods to deal with Harry beyond "smash harder", while Harry, crippled by being unable to kill with magic, outwits him easily.



** Harry also has this opinion of Maeve in ''Summer Knight'', though others suggest that this may have been ObfuscatingStupidity on Maeve's part. She's also a bit of a showoff. She likes the attention that flashy magic generates.

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** Harry also has this opinion of Maeve in ''Summer Knight'', ''Literature/SummerKnight'', though others suggest that this may have been ObfuscatingStupidity on Maeve's part. She's also a bit of a showoff. She likes the attention that flashy magic generates.
22nd Jun '16 11:41:36 AM nighttrainfm
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*** Cell is an interesting example. While he has all of the skills of his DNA material, he prefers to build up his power by devouring others and extracting their hard earned power for himself. All of his major power boosts come from the life forces he consumed, unlike the Saiyans who became stronger through a TrainingFromHell. Filler shows him training for the first time during his wait for the Cell Games to start.
*** Fat Buu who is a near endless well of power, endurance, and is able to regenerate. He is also the least skilled of all the Buu forms. He can't even sense energy and get his ass beaten when fighting someone near or above his power such as Evil Buu, Kid Buu, and Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

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*** Cell is an interesting example. While he has all of the skills of his DNA material, he prefers to build up his power by devouring others and extracting their hard earned hard-earned power for himself. All of his major power boosts come from the life forces he consumed, unlike the Saiyans who became stronger through a TrainingFromHell. Filler shows him training for the first time during his wait for the Cell Games to start.
*** Fat Buu who is a near endless well of power, endurance, and is able to regenerate. He is also the least skilled of all the Buu forms. He can't even sense energy and get gets his ass beaten when fighting someone near or above his power such as Evil Buu, Kid Buu, and Super Saiyan 3 Goku.
18th Jun '16 4:38:22 AM jormis29
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* The best Normal Monsters in ''Tabletop/YuGiOh'' are usually this trope. By raw stats, a Normal Monster will usually be the most powerful usable Monster of its level, but their lack of useful effects means that strategies with them tend to devolve into AttackAttackAttack This gets taken further by the subgroup of Effect Monsters with even higher stats but [[PowerLimiter horribly detrimental effects]] ([[AwesomeButImpractical hence the 'usable' signifier above]]). [[AntiMagic Skill Drain decks]] exploit this trope; since Skill Drain removes the, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin well]], skills of all Monsters on the field, the traditional Effect-heavy Monsters [[BroughtDownToNormal lose all their power]], while cards like Giant Kozaky and Fusilier Dragon have their detrimental effects [[IAmNotLeftHanded knocked off.]] This then turns "WeakButSkilled vs. UnskilledButStrong" into simply "[[CurbStompBattle Weak vs. Strong]]."
* Chandra Nalaar, [[PlayingWithFire a pyromancer Planeswalker]] from ''Tabletop/MagicTheGathering'', has incredible untapped magical power, but her lack of restraint and practice sets her back. How powerful is she? [[BigBad Nicol Bolas]], a millenia-old [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]] [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Elder Dragon]] [[EvilSorcerer with unmatched magical power and]] [[RealityWarper easily capable of creating and destroying entire worlds]] ''acknowledges her as very powerful''.

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* The best Normal Monsters in ''Tabletop/YuGiOh'' ''TabletopGame/YuGiOh'' are usually this trope. By raw stats, a Normal Monster will usually be the most powerful usable Monster of its level, but their lack of useful effects means that strategies with them tend to devolve into AttackAttackAttack This gets taken further by the subgroup of Effect Monsters with even higher stats but [[PowerLimiter horribly detrimental effects]] ([[AwesomeButImpractical hence the 'usable' signifier above]]). [[AntiMagic Skill Drain decks]] exploit this trope; since Skill Drain removes the, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin well]], skills of all Monsters on the field, the traditional Effect-heavy Monsters [[BroughtDownToNormal lose all their power]], while cards like Giant Kozaky and Fusilier Dragon have their detrimental effects [[IAmNotLeftHanded knocked off.]] This then turns "WeakButSkilled vs. UnskilledButStrong" into simply "[[CurbStompBattle Weak vs. Strong]]."
* Chandra Nalaar, [[PlayingWithFire a pyromancer Planeswalker]] from ''Tabletop/MagicTheGathering'', ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'', has incredible untapped magical power, but her lack of restraint and practice sets her back. How powerful is she? [[BigBad Nicol Bolas]], a millenia-old [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]] [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Elder Dragon]] [[EvilSorcerer with unmatched magical power and]] [[RealityWarper easily capable of creating and destroying entire worlds]] ''acknowledges her as very powerful''.
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