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9th Aug '16 5:50:26 PM Ebrbfureh
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In fictional relationships, there's a gray area between a DestructiveRomance, a FriendlyWar and RomanticizedAbuse. Sometimes [[AmbiguousSituation the writers make it hard for the audience to figure out if the relationship is even supposed to be a good thing or not]]. Sometimes the writers don't even know the answer themselves, and sometimes this question isn't even meant to have an answer - the characters are there for the audience to laugh at, and that's all there is to it.

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In fictional relationships, there's a gray area between a DestructiveRomance, a FriendlyWar and RomanticizedAbuse. Sometimes [[AmbiguousSituation the writers make it hard for the audience to figure out if the relationship is even supposed to be a good thing or not]]. Sometimes the writers don't even know the answer themselves, and sometimes this question isn't even meant to have an answer - -- the characters are there for the audience to laugh at, and that's all there is to it.



* Yubel in ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' sees this as the only true expression of love; it cannot distinguish between joy/pleasure and pain/sorrow, and [[LoveMartyr convinces itself]] that every single bit of suffering it causes its obsession Judai - and every bit reciprocated from him in kind - are simply their way of sharing each other's love.

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* Yubel in ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' sees this as the only true expression of love; it cannot distinguish between joy/pleasure and pain/sorrow, and [[LoveMartyr convinces itself]] that every single bit of suffering it causes its obsession Judai - -- and every bit reciprocated from him in kind - -- are simply their way of sharing each other's love.



** Another example would be a story Thom Merrilin tells Mat. When Thom was young, he encountered a blacksmith's wife whose husband would control who she talked to and beat her up if she so much as looked at other men. Thom gallantly offers to rescue her - and is forced to hastily leave the village when she immediately runs and tells her husband! Thom later finds out that she would control the money, and beat her husband up if he as much as had a single beer at the inn. The moral of the story is to not judge before you have heard both sides.

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** Another example would be a story Thom Merrilin tells Mat. When Thom was young, he encountered a blacksmith's wife whose husband would control who she talked to and beat her up if she so much as looked at other men. Thom gallantly offers to rescue her - -- and is forced to hastily leave the village when she immediately runs and tells her husband! Thom later finds out that she would control the money, and beat her husband up if he as much as had a single beer at the inn. The moral of the story is to not judge before you have heard both sides.



--> '''Adrian:''' We could, but let's face it - you and I were meant to tango.

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--> '''Adrian:''' We could, but let's face it - -- you and I were meant to tango.



* "The Ballad Of Tom Jones", Music/{{Space}}'s duet with Cerys Matthews, veers between this and SlapSlapKiss. The couple in the song are constantly at each other's throats, to the point where the woman tries to kill the man by driving him off a cliff. The only thing that stops the couple killing each other is - you've guessed it - the sound of the music of Tom Jones.

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* "The Ballad Of Tom Jones", Music/{{Space}}'s duet with Cerys Matthews, veers between this and SlapSlapKiss. The couple in the song are constantly at each other's throats, to the point where the woman tries to kill the man by driving him off a cliff. The only thing that stops the couple killing each other is - -- you've guessed it - -- the sound of the music of Tom Jones.



* Parodied in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Brawl'': playing as Wolf in a certain ''VideoGame/StarFox''-based arena will trigger a com chat involving Leon gushing over the viciousness of Wolf's smackdown of the opponent, and Panther questioning who the lizard is more envious of - Wolf, or his victim.

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* Parodied in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Brawl'': playing as Wolf in a certain ''VideoGame/StarFox''-based arena will trigger a com chat involving Leon gushing over the viciousness of Wolf's smackdown of the opponent, and Panther questioning who the lizard is more envious of - -- Wolf, or his victim.



* This is apparently a regular part of [[AllTrollsAreDifferent Troll]] relationships in ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'', and even has its own name, "kismesissitude" - a relationship based on mutual, erotic [[note]]Yes, trolls have such a thing as platonic hatred[[/note]] hatred between two parties. It's just as important to troll society and reproduction as "matespritship," which is based on mutual ''pity'' and is more like a traditional romance. Many individuals will sometimes [[SlapSlapKiss flip back and forth]] between the two sorts of relationships, which makes it even more complicated.
** A good - and exceptionally twisted - example of this would be Vriska's feelings for Tavros. Vriska torments [[TheWoobie Tavros]] every chance she gets, even going so far as to mind-control him into ''jumping off a cliff'' and then constantly insults him afterwards for being a pathetic cripple. And yet she promptly starts [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004280 making out with him as soon as they meet up in the Medium.]] For the most part, Tavros doesn't seem to share her romantic feelings of either stripe, and is generally afraid of her. He does still spend time with her, though, sometimes mediated by one of their friends, although he does run away in tears when [[spoiler: Vriska is nearly beaten to death by another person she's hurt, and asks Tavros to kill her. Then, when she comes back, he decides he needs to stop her from doing something dangerous, and she kills him when he tries.]]
*** The main interpretation of [[spoiler:Vriska killing Tavros]] is that she did it ''not'' because he was trying to fight her, but because she was angry that it took him so damn long to try. [[spoiler:He's one of the few people she actually feels guilty about killing. Kismeses are not supposed to murder each other, because that would end the relationship- and the entire point of kismesssitude is that it's a relationship between two evenly matched enemies.]]

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* This is apparently a regular part of [[AllTrollsAreDifferent Troll]] relationships in ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'', and even has its own name, "kismesissitude" - -- a relationship based on mutual, erotic [[note]]Yes, trolls have such a thing as platonic hatred[[/note]] hatred between two parties. It's just as important to troll society and reproduction as "matespritship," which is based on mutual ''pity'' and is more like a traditional romance. Many individuals will sometimes [[SlapSlapKiss flip back and forth]] between the two sorts of relationships, which makes it even more complicated.
** A good - -- and exceptionally twisted - -- example of this would be Vriska's feelings for Tavros. Vriska torments [[TheWoobie Tavros]] every chance she gets, even going so far as to mind-control him into ''jumping off a cliff'' and then constantly insults him afterwards for being a pathetic cripple. And yet she promptly starts [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004280 making out with him as soon as they meet up in the Medium.]] For the most part, Tavros doesn't seem to share her romantic feelings of either stripe, and is generally afraid of her. He does still spend time with her, though, sometimes mediated by one of their friends, although he does run away in tears when [[spoiler: Vriska is nearly beaten to death by another person she's hurt, and asks Tavros to kill her. Then, when she comes back, he decides he needs to stop her from doing something dangerous, and she kills him when he tries.]]
*** The main interpretation of [[spoiler:Vriska killing Tavros]] is that she did it ''not'' because he was trying to fight her, but because she was angry that it took him so damn long to try. [[spoiler:He's one of the few people she actually feels guilty about killing. Kismeses are not supposed to murder each other, because that would end the relationship- relationship -- and the entire point of kismesssitude is that it's a relationship between two evenly matched enemies.]]
23rd Jul '16 4:47:15 PM nombretomado
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* Goldie and Scrooge in ''Comicbook/TheLifeAndTimesOfScroogeMcDuck''. CarlBarks wrote 'em that way, Creator/DonRosa made 'em ''awesome'' at it.

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* Goldie and Scrooge in ''Comicbook/TheLifeAndTimesOfScroogeMcDuck''. CarlBarks Creator/CarlBarks wrote 'em that way, Creator/DonRosa made 'em ''awesome'' at it.
23rd Jul '16 9:04:48 AM nombretomado
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* Music/{{Voltaire}} feat. AmandaPalmer's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShMajikZ8wM Stuck With You]]. It reaches the heights of bodily harm and murder.

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* Music/{{Voltaire}} feat. AmandaPalmer's Music/AmandaPalmer's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShMajikZ8wM Stuck With You]]. It reaches the heights of bodily harm and murder.
7th Jul '16 9:07:00 AM jth
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* A RunningGag on ''Series/FatherTed'' was that the couple who run the local shop are always having a screaming row or in the process of attempting to kill each other until the moment the priest walks in, at which point they immediately become a pair of outwardly-cheerful {{Stepford Smiler}}s.

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* A RunningGag on ''Series/FatherTed'' was that the couple who run the local shop are always having a screaming row or in the process of attempting to kill each other until the moment the priest walks in, at which point they immediately become a pair of outwardly-cheerful {{Stepford Smiler}}s. There's an element of real-world social commentary under the humour; at the time Father Ted started airing (1995), divorce was still illegal in Ireland.
20th Jun '16 11:41:45 AM Berry23
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* Shinji and Asuka from ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. Both love each other, but they are not exactly mentally sound (both are afraid of getting hurt by other people, but Asuka pushes them away as Shinji runs from them), and their relationship is not healthy: Asuka is a fiercely competitive young woman who teases Shinji in what she considers flirting, while Shinji is a reclusive, socially inept introvert who doesn't respond well to her flirtations, either acting as an ExtremeDoormat till she’s placated or lashing back at her on occasion, leading Asuka to be even angrier, more insecure and more depressed.

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* Shinji and Asuka from ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. Both love each other, but they are not exactly mentally sound (both are afraid of getting hurt by other people, but Asuka pushes them away as Shinji runs from them), and their relationship is not healthy: Asuka is a fiercely competitive young woman who teases Shinji in what she considers flirting, while Shinji is a reclusive, socially inept introvert who doesn't respond well to her flirtations, either acting as an ExtremeDoormat till she’s placated or lashing back at her on occasion, leading Asuka to be even angrier, more insecure and more depressed. The two's BelligerentSexualTension paired with their inability to discuss their feelings for one another results in one of the most disturbing, squick filled, and generally infamous cases of DudeShesLikeInAComa in television history.
16th Jun '16 4:37:56 PM Karpinsky
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* It's actually the societal ''norm'' for romance to be The Masochism Tango in Saldaea in ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', much to the bafflement of [[TheBigGuy Perrin]] when he marries fan-unfavorite [[TheScrappy Faile]]. As [[http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=386600 The Parody]] puts it:

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* It's actually the societal ''norm'' for romance to be The Masochism Tango in Saldaea in ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', much to the bafflement of [[TheBigGuy Perrin]] when he marries fan-unfavorite [[TheScrappy Faile]]. As [[http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=386600 dragonmount.com/forums/topic/77089-the-wheel-of-time-summaries-by-isam-spoilers-till-book-cot/ The Parody]] puts it:
25th May '16 9:42:51 AM Willbyr
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* In ''ParadiseKiss'', Yukari and George get together almost immediately, but their romance is unhinged from the get-go. He is sometimes genuinely sweet and gentlemanly with her, but it's hard to notice amidst all the icy contempt and plain insults he throws at her. To make things worse, it's heavily implied [[spoiler: his conflicted emotions towards her stem for [[Theatre/OedipusRex her similarity to his mother]]]]. Naturally, [[spoiler: it just couldn't end well for them... yet still ended up better than other examples: they break up out of their own accord and in somewhat amiable terms, George leaves the country to pursue his goals and Yukari decides to live her own life and build her own career. In the DistantFinale, she actually marries her VictoriousChildhoodFriend Hiro.]]

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* In ''ParadiseKiss'', ''Manga/ParadiseKiss'', Yukari and George get together almost immediately, but their romance is unhinged from the get-go. He is sometimes genuinely sweet and gentlemanly with her, but it's hard to notice amidst all the icy contempt and plain insults he throws at her. To make things worse, it's heavily implied [[spoiler: his conflicted emotions towards her stem for [[Theatre/OedipusRex her similarity to his mother]]]]. Naturally, [[spoiler: it just couldn't end well for them... yet still ended up better than other examples: they break up out of their own accord and in somewhat amiable terms, George leaves the country to pursue his goals and Yukari decides to live her own life and build her own career. In the DistantFinale, she actually marries her VictoriousChildhoodFriend Hiro.]]



* Shinji and Asuka from ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. Both love each other, but they are not exactly mentally sound (both are afraid of getting hurt by other people, but Asuka pushes them away as Shinji runs from them), and their relationship is not healthy: Asuka is a fiercely competitive young woman who teases Shinji in what she considers flirting, while Shinji is a reclusive, socially inept introvert who doesn't respond well to her flirtations, either acting as an ExtremeDoormat till she’s placated or lashing back at her on occasion, leading Asuka to be even angrier, more unsecure and more depressed.

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* Shinji and Asuka from ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. Both love each other, but they are not exactly mentally sound (both are afraid of getting hurt by other people, but Asuka pushes them away as Shinji runs from them), and their relationship is not healthy: Asuka is a fiercely competitive young woman who teases Shinji in what she considers flirting, while Shinji is a reclusive, socially inept introvert who doesn't respond well to her flirtations, either acting as an ExtremeDoormat till she’s placated or lashing back at her on occasion, leading Asuka to be even angrier, more unsecure insecure and more depressed.
4th May '16 5:57:20 PM Hjortron18
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* Taken very literally in ''[[WesternAnimation/IceAge Ice Age 3: Age of Dinosaurs]]'', where the squirrel couple fight over [[MacGuffin the acorn]] while tango plays in the background.

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* Taken very literally in ''[[WesternAnimation/IceAge Ice Age 3: Age of Dinosaurs]]'', ''WesternAnimation/IceAge3DawnOfTheDinosaurs'', where the squirrel couple fight over [[MacGuffin the acorn]] while tango plays in the background.
4th May '16 10:43:36 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* ''VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi'' contains a very creepy example of this: [[spoiler:Lambdadelta]] and [[spoiler:Bernkastel]] fight each other in a game whenever they come across each other [[spoiler:in the ocean of the kakera]]. The penalties for the loser are very severe cases of a FateWorseThanDeath. And yet they always assure how much they "love" each other. However, as we learn later in the story, this may be justified as theirs means [[spoiler:to escape the boredom that can literally kill them. By fighting each other, they relieve that boredom in order to survive and spend time with each other.]] And in the very end, they get their AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther-moment.

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* ''VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi'' ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'' contains a very creepy example of this: [[spoiler:Lambdadelta]] and [[spoiler:Bernkastel]] fight each other in a game whenever they come across each other [[spoiler:in the ocean of the kakera]]. The penalties for the loser are very severe cases of a FateWorseThanDeath. And yet they always assure how much they "love" each other. However, as we learn later in the story, this may be justified as theirs means [[spoiler:to escape the boredom that can literally kill them. By fighting each other, they relieve that boredom in order to survive and spend time with each other.]] And in the very end, they get their AwLookTheyReallyDoLoveEachOther-moment.
30th Mar '16 2:30:25 PM carduser123
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* ComicBook/DruidCity: Hunter Hastings, with Misa Saito and Mannie Sue. Misa is too determined and independent to be tied down by the productive, but fragile, Hunter. Mannie Sue is too damaged and vulnerable to be with the wiser and far more unscrupulous Hunter.
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