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06:45:57 AM Apr 30th 2014
Would this count as the trope if say, Bob is a horrible person and Alice knows it and hates him, but Bob (for some reason) thinks the relationship is working and for whatever reason Alice is playing along (outside coercion or something) and even though she hates it she still sees some traits she likes in Bob (and also kinds of hates herself for that and wonders if she's going Stockholm Syndrome)?
11:23:20 AM Dec 5th 2012
Would the relationship between the narrator and the subject of Shakira's Objection (Tango) count? The relationship as described of Masochism Tango is much clearer in the Spanish version (well, all Shakira's songs make more sense in Spanish) Te Aviso, Te Anuncio (Tango). It is, also, an actual tango. The first line (of the Spanish, translated to English) is "I never (would have) thought that love hurt so much".
11:46:03 AM Dec 5th 2012
Moreover, the narrator says she's leaving but when the subject shows interest in another steps right back in to explain "Tango is not for three" though the next lines are "I'm planning my escape there, and I get upside down(or come back), but I'll try again and again" (the Spanish one, the English one hints at dysfunctional polygamy instead).
04:10:36 PM Dec 15th 2011
  • The debates will continue forever about whether or not Ron and Hermione fall into this or Slap-Slap-Kiss. They definitely acknowledge that they're an Odd Couple, the question is just how odd and if it works or not. Standard disclaimers apply.

  • The shippers of this couple may disagree, but Amy and Ben on The Secret Life of the American Teenager. There were a few genuinely affectionate moments between them during the early part of their relationship. A few weeks into their relationship, he found out she had become pregnant before they met. He pledged his eternal devotion anyway, and it went into a downhill spiral of on-again, off-again from there. Amy is constantly whining to Ben about everything, being paranoid if she sees him talking to another girl, and always finds something to complain about even when he's trying to do something nice for her. Some people tried to pass this off as "pregnancy hormones", but she stayed like this after she had the baby. On Ben's side, his "true love" for Amy apparently means being obsessive and clingy, pledging more than once that they are soul mates and are going to be married. He also has the same paranoia Amy has when it comes to the opposite sex, including him storming out in a jealous rage when he found the baby daddy in her house visiting the kid. We probably shouldn't even start on the fact that he only initially went out with her because he wanted to lose his virginity and she seemed to be in his league.

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02:44:17 AM May 2nd 2010
While the trope is good, the title is not. The song it's based on ridicules a sexual minority. The song is also very old and spreads myths and prejudices that was common back in those days.

So, the title "The Masochism Tango" would be better for a trope of the same kind as "Depraved Homosexuals": a trope about prejudice.

What should the current "Masochism Tango" be called? Preferably something that does NOT have masochism or BDSM in the title. "I Just Want My Beloved To Feel Crappy." is accurate but not very catchy. For now I suggest that we use that name, but I'll try to figure out a better name and hope someone else figure out a better one first. :-)
03:30:01 PM May 2nd 2010
That's only obvious information to those familiar with the historical context. Outside of that context, this title describes the trope perfectly.
01:57:40 AM May 3rd 2010
Yeah, if one is familiar with the song but not with actual masochism then it fits neatly.

However, the song is the ONLY connection between the trope title and the actual trope... and most people havn't even heard the song.

This makes it a bad trope title even if we don't consider the Unfortunate Implications.

Maybe this trope could be called Dysfunctional Duo instead?
08:22:28 PM Jan 31st 2011
edited by originalhobbit
Relationship Yo-Yo?
11:54:52 PM Jan 31st 2011
Much better, since these relationships doesn't have to be dysfunctional at all.
06:58:43 AM May 18th 2011
You need to learn to appreciate parody.
06:43:27 AM Apr 30th 2014
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I think the name is just too ubiquitous. Keep it until something else comes up.
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