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26th Sep '16 5:09:55 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Seth [=MacFarlane=] is obviously a pretty big fan of RuleOfFunny and generally [[TheyJustDidntCare just doesn't care]], but his use of Jewish symbols is, unsurprisingly, way off the mark. In at least a couple episodes in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' he shows Jews wearing prayer shawls at the wrong times (either outside of prayer, or at nighttime services when they are not worn), and ''WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow'' at one point, in a fantasy cutaway, shows Cleveland reciting Kol Nidre, the Aramaic annulment of vows that begins Yom Kippur, by reading it out of a Torah scroll. It is a legal declaration, not a Biblical passage, and is certainly not found in the Torah (it's not even in the same language).

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* Seth [=MacFarlane=] is obviously a pretty big fan of RuleOfFunny and generally [[TheyJustDidntCare just doesn't care]], RuleOfFunny, but his use of Jewish symbols is, unsurprisingly, way off the mark. In at least a couple episodes in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' he shows Jews wearing prayer shawls at the wrong times (either outside of prayer, or at nighttime services when they are not worn), and ''WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow'' at one point, in a fantasy cutaway, shows Cleveland reciting Kol Nidre, the Aramaic annulment of vows that begins Yom Kippur, by reading it out of a Torah scroll. It is a legal declaration, not a Biblical passage, and is certainly not found in the Torah (it's not even in the same language).
19th Aug '16 4:16:50 PM Naram-Sin
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* ''{{Series/Vikings}}'' was criticized for using [[AnachronismStew anachronistic]] Scandinavian stave church architecture to depict the great pagan temple at Old Uppsala.
17th Jun '16 8:59:03 PM gewunomox
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** Similarly, a character wearing a cross is as likely to reflect, say, the popularity of a certain {{Madonna}} album at the time the show was made as the character's religious beliefs.

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** Similarly, a character wearing a cross is as likely to reflect, say, the popularity of a certain {{Madonna}} Music/{{Madonna}} album at the time the show was made as the character's religious beliefs.
29th May '16 1:29:54 PM Naram-Sin
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*** This could also [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Torribia have been easily saved]], had the writers bothered.
29th May '16 7:12:19 AM Naram-Sin
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* Some coins made in Britain during the Dark Ages like those of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offa_of_Mercia Offa of Mercia]] have Arab inscriptions reading "there is no God but Allah" or claiming to have been struck in Damascus a number of years after the Hegira. It is believed that the engravers just copied contemporary Abassid gold dinars and mistook the writing for decoration.[[note]]Or else international trade, via the Vikings perhaps, got a lot further than we think. A gold coin is a gold coin anywhere: the inscription on it is surface detail.[[/note]]

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* Some coins made in Britain during the Dark Ages like those of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offa_of_Mercia Offa of Mercia]] have (crude) Arab inscriptions reading "there is no God but Allah" or claiming to have been struck in Damascus a number of years after the Hegira. It is believed that the engravers just copied contemporary Abassid gold dinars and mistook the writing for decoration.[[note]]Or else international trade, via the Vikings perhaps, got a lot further than we think. A gold coin is a gold coin anywhere: the inscription on it is surface detail.[[/note]]


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* The UrbanLegend of [[http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/santacross.asp a smiling crucified Santa Claus in Japan.]]
29th May '16 7:04:47 AM Naram-Sin
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** Another non-Marvel example: San Angeles, home base of the Series/PowerRangersOperationOverdrive. Done as a San Diego/Los Angeles mashup of course, but seriously - "Saint Angels"? San Angeles is also used as the setting in ''Film/DemolitionMan'', but this time it is justified: San Angeles is a megalopolis formed by the future growth and unification of San Diego, Los Angeles and Santa Barbara.[[note]]This ignores the approximately twenty mile stretch of mostly open space between the southern extent of LA suburban sprawl and the northern extent of San Diego suburban sprawl where extensive development is unlikely for the foreseeable future as it's part of Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, a large portion of which is designated as an "impact area" (read "artillery range"). [[/note]]

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** Another non-Marvel example: San Angeles, home base of the Series/PowerRangersOperationOverdrive. Done as a San Diego/Los Angeles mashup of course, but seriously - "Saint Angels"? San Angeles is also used as the setting in ''Film/DemolitionMan'', but this time it is justified: San Angeles is a megalopolis formed by the future growth and unification of San Diego, Los Angeles and Santa Barbara.[[note]]This ignores the approximately twenty mile stretch of mostly open space between the southern extent of LA suburban sprawl and the northern extent of San Diego suburban sprawl where extensive development is unlikely for the foreseeable future as it's part of Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, a large portion of which is designated as an "impact area" (read "artillery range"). This might be {{handwave}}d as Camp Pendleton being dismantled after the whole area was levelled in the megaearthquake of the movie's backstory, though.[[/note]]



** Ancient Greek hoplites in fiction almost invariably carry the capital L on their shields. It was indeed used as such in Ancient times, but only by the Spartans - the L stood for Lakedaimonia, the homeland of the Spartans. SymbologyResearchFailure ensues when even the Realism mod of ''VideoGame/RomeTotalWar'' has ''Athenians'' carrying this mark. Athenians, or for that matter Thebans, Argives, Megarians and citizens of nearly a thousand other states would not be caught dead carrying their mortal enemy's emblem on their shields... (For their part, most other Greek states did not have consistent shield designs, the design being generally personal to the bearer, although often inherited father-to-son. In most states, hoplites paid for their own arms and armor, including the shield; Sparta's consistent design is because Spartans were armed at the expense of the state.)

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** * Ancient Greek hoplites in fiction almost invariably carry the capital L on their shields. It was indeed used as such in Ancient times, but only by the Spartans - the L stood for Lakedaimonia, the homeland of the Spartans. SymbologyResearchFailure ensues when even the Realism mod of ''VideoGame/RomeTotalWar'' has ''Athenians'' carrying this mark. Athenians, or for that matter Thebans, Argives, Megarians and citizens of nearly a thousand other states would not be caught dead carrying their mortal enemy's emblem on their shields... (For their part, most other Greek states did not have consistent shield designs, the design being generally personal to the bearer, although often inherited father-to-son. In most states, hoplites paid for their own arms and armor, including the shield; Sparta's consistent design is because Spartans were armed at the expense of the state.)
29th May '16 6:52:14 AM Naram-Sin
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* ''Film/KingdomOfHeaven'' has a Muslim character that wears versicles of the Quran sewn into his clothes. It is expressly forbidden in Islam to sew words from the Quran into clothing. Only a few exceptions are allowed and only in the case of flags and banners.


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* David Hewson's ''Semana Santa'' (aka ''Death in Seville'') mixes Seville's [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Week_in_Seville Holy Week]], which is religious, and the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seville_Fair Fair]], which is not and is held a couple of weeks after the Holy Week. The result is simply blasphemous. Religious processions are described as "parades" attended by people out of amusement rather than devotion, there is a lot of drinking, women wear [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantilla Mantillas]] and polka-dotted [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traje_de_flamenca Flamenco dresses]] at the same time, and there is a "great bullfight" to mark the end of the "festival".


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* A 1983 Spanish birth certificate seen in the episode "El Toro Bravo" of ''Series/CriminalMindsBeyondBorders'' has entries for "religion" and "church" ([[FacePalm in English]]), which obviously aren't present in a real Spanish birth certificate and rather belong in a church's baptism registry. Not content with that, the document also has two references to ''Literature/DonQuixote'' thrown in for no reason (one of them in said church's name, which is "The Cathedral of the Cervantes Family" written in the [[BlindIdiotTranslation worst possible Spanish grammar]], but cathedrals are not named after random, non-holy families), a diminutive used as a full name, and [[AnachronismStew a pre-1931]] King of Spain's personal coat of arms where the country's coat of arms should be.
18th Jan '16 8:57:54 PM Laevatein
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** Similarly, a character wearing a cross is as likely to reflect, say, the popularity of a certain {{Madonna}} album at the time the show was made as the character's religious beliefs.
18th Jan '16 8:53:33 PM Jacob175
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* ''Literature/DigitalFortress'' uses the real fact that ChristopherColumbus is interred in the Cathedral of Seville to claim that he is a saint worshipped in the "Spanish" Church, rather than him being there just as a notable person since churches were common burial places until recently. Not content with it, DanBrown then [[DanBrowned blows it completely out of the water]] by inventing that his body was butchered and turned into relics that were diseminated in churches through the whole country, with Seville being the proud guardian of his [[FlatWhat scrotum]].

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* ''Literature/DigitalFortress'' uses the real fact that ChristopherColumbus is interred in the Cathedral of Seville to claim that he is a saint worshipped in the "Spanish" Church, rather than him being there just as a notable person since churches were common burial places until recently. Not content with it, DanBrown Creator/DanBrown then [[DanBrowned blows it completely out of the water]] by inventing that his body was butchered and turned into relics that were diseminated disseminated in churches through the whole country, with Seville being the proud guardian of his [[FlatWhat scrotum]].



** May be [[JustifiedTrope justified]] as the Bolsheviks (especially at the beginning) found new uses for the buildings of the "opium of the people". The churches were converted into theaters, town halls, stables, warehouses, museums or shuttered/demolished. Thanks to the Church's [[ChurchMilitant large manpower contributions]] to the anti-revolutionary White Army, and enormous wealth, they were a top opponent of the Bolsheviks. The succeeding Soviet government was openly anti-religious and any Christian symbolism was prohibited until TheEighties, with an exception of a period during [[WorldWarII the War]].

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** May be [[JustifiedTrope justified]] as the Bolsheviks (especially at the beginning) found new uses for the buildings of the "opium of the people". The churches were converted into theaters, town halls, stables, warehouses, museums or shuttered/demolished. Thanks to the Church's [[ChurchMilitant large manpower contributions]] to the anti-revolutionary White Army, and enormous wealth, they were a top opponent of the Bolsheviks. The succeeding Soviet government was openly anti-religious and any Christian symbolism was prohibited until TheEighties, with an exception of a period during [[WorldWarII [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII the War]].



** May have ''something'' to do with the fact that if you showed people photo of buildings in Moscow and asked them to point to the Kremlin (a fortified former palace strongly associated with the government of the USSR/Russia in much the same way as "White House" is used metaphorically to refer to the Excecutive Branch of government in the US) they'd be much more likely to point to St. Basil's Cathedral (the building with all the onion domes in Easter egg colors, which is just across Red Square from the Kremlin) than to the Grand Kremlin Palace itself (which looks more like a rather nice hotel). See the next few examples for more cases of people getting this wrong.

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** May have ''something'' to do with the fact that if you showed people photo of buildings in Moscow and asked them to point to the Kremlin (a fortified former palace strongly associated with the government of the USSR/Russia in much the same way as "White House" is used metaphorically to refer to the Excecutive Executive Branch of government in the US) they'd be much more likely to point to St. Basil's Cathedral (the building with all the onion domes in Easter egg colors, which is just across Red Square from the Kremlin) than to the Grand Kremlin Palace itself (which looks more like a rather nice hotel). See the next few examples for more cases of people getting this wrong.



* The Kremlin wonder in ''RiseOfNations'' ...is actually St. Basil's Cathedral.

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* The Kremlin wonder in ''RiseOfNations'' ...''VideoGame/RiseOfNations'' ...is actually St. Basil's Cathedral.



** [[LatinLand Santo Rica]] ("Saint Rich"), also from Marvel Comics. This one is not even gramatically correct: Santo is a masculine word and Rica, feminine. [[DependingOnTheWriter Some writers have caught on this]] and use "Santo Rico".

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** [[LatinLand Santo Rica]] ("Saint Rich"), also from Marvel Comics. This one is not even gramatically grammatically correct: Santo is a masculine word and Rica, feminine. [[DependingOnTheWriter Some writers have caught on this]] and use "Santo Rico".



** Another non-Marvel example: San Angeles, home base of the Series/PowerRangersOperationOverdrive. Done as a San Diego/Los Angeles mashup of course, but seriously - "Saint Angels"? San Angeles is also used as the setting in ''Film/DemolitionMan'', but this time it is justified: San Angeles is a megalopolis formed by the future growth and unification of San Diego, Los Angeles and Santa Barbara.[[note]]This ignores the approximately twenty mile stretch of mostly open space between the southern extent of LA suburban sprawl and the northen extent of San Diego suburban sprawl where extensive development is unlikely for the foreseeable future as it's part of Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, a large portion of which is designated as an "impact area" (read "artillery range"). [[/note]]

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** Another non-Marvel example: San Angeles, home base of the Series/PowerRangersOperationOverdrive. Done as a San Diego/Los Angeles mashup of course, but seriously - "Saint Angels"? San Angeles is also used as the setting in ''Film/DemolitionMan'', but this time it is justified: San Angeles is a megalopolis formed by the future growth and unification of San Diego, Los Angeles and Santa Barbara.[[note]]This ignores the approximately twenty mile stretch of mostly open space between the southern extent of LA suburban sprawl and the northen northern extent of San Diego suburban sprawl where extensive development is unlikely for the foreseeable future as it's part of Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, a large portion of which is designated as an "impact area" (read "artillery range"). [[/note]][[/note]]
** From ''VideoGame/DeadRising'', the town Carlito is avenging is Santa Cabeza. In English, it means Saint Head.



** The Greek capital letter Lambda (L) looks like a Latin A without the horizontal dash. It has the advantage of being recognisable as a letter (the wrong one) while making anything look instantly Greek. Many authors therefore use it as a substitute for A, leading to nonsensical things like the poster for ''Film/{{Agora}}'' which actually says "LGORL" in a mix of Greek and Latin letters. Then there's Sigma, which looks vaguely like E, to similar effect.

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** The Greek capital letter Lambda (L) looks like a Latin A without the horizontal dash. It has the advantage of being recognisable recognizable as a letter (the wrong one) while making anything look instantly Greek. Many authors therefore use it as a substitute for A, leading to nonsensical things like the poster for ''Film/{{Agora}}'' which actually says "LGORL" in a mix of Greek and Latin letters. Then there's Sigma, which looks vaguely like E, to similar effect.
15th Jan '16 10:45:16 AM AgProv
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* Some coins made in Britain during the Dark Ages like those of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offa_of_Mercia Offa of Mercia]] have Arab inscriptions reading "there is no God but Allah" or claiming to have been struck in Damascus a number of years after the Hegira. It is believed that the engravers just copied contemporary Abassid gold dinars and mistook the writing for decoration.

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* Some coins made in Britain during the Dark Ages like those of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offa_of_Mercia Offa of Mercia]] have Arab inscriptions reading "there is no God but Allah" or claiming to have been struck in Damascus a number of years after the Hegira. It is believed that the engravers just copied contemporary Abassid gold dinars and mistook the writing for decoration.[[note]]Or else international trade, via the Vikings perhaps, got a lot further than we think. A gold coin is a gold coin anywhere: the inscription on it is surface detail.[[/note]]
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