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18th Aug '17 6:59:41 PM Ansongc2000
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* Many of ''Creator/StephenKing'''s stories share a universe, or at least a multiverse, yet most of their heroes are actually more [[Action Survivor Action Survivors]], so a [[comicbook/FreddyVsJasonVsAsh Nightmare Warriors]] style team-up is unlikely, and most of the events are very localized. The Gunslingers could certainly have helped [[Film/TheMist the people in the grocery story]] or [[Literature/IT the Losers gang]], but they were divided by dimensional barriers.

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* Many of ''Creator/StephenKing'''s StephenKing's stories share a universe, or at least a multiverse, yet most of their heroes are actually more [[Action Survivor Action Survivors]], Survivors, so a [[comicbook/FreddyVsJasonVsAsh Nightmare Warriors]] style team-up is unlikely, and most of the events are very localized. The Gunslingers could certainly have helped [[Film/TheMist the people in the grocery story]] or [[Literature/IT the The Losers gang]], gang, but they were divided by dimensional barriers.
18th Aug '17 6:58:32 PM Ansongc2000
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* Many of ''Creator/StephenKing'''s stories share a universe, or at least a multiverse, yet most of their heroes are actually more ActionSurvivors, so a [[comicbook/FreddyVsJasonVsAsh:NightmareWarriors Nightmare Warriors]] style team-up is unlikely, and most of the events are very localized. The Gunslingers could certainly have helped [[Film/TheMist the people in the grocery story]] or [[Literature/StephenKing'sIT]], but they were divided by dimensions.

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* Many of ''Creator/StephenKing'''s stories share a universe, or at least a multiverse, yet most of their heroes are actually more ActionSurvivors, [[Action Survivor Action Survivors]], so a [[comicbook/FreddyVsJasonVsAsh:NightmareWarriors [[comicbook/FreddyVsJasonVsAsh Nightmare Warriors]] style team-up is unlikely, and most of the events are very localized. The Gunslingers could certainly have helped [[Film/TheMist the people in the grocery story]] or [[Literature/StephenKing'sIT]], [[Literature/IT the Losers gang]], but they were divided by dimensions.dimensional barriers.
18th Aug '17 6:57:03 PM Ansongc2000
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* Many of ''Creator/StephenKing'''s stories share a universe, or at least a multiverse, yet most of their heroes are actually more ActionSurvivors, so a [[comicbook/FreddyVsJasonVsAsh:NightmareWarriors Nightmare Warriors]] style team-up is unlikely, and most of the events are very localized. The Gunslingers could certainly have helped [[Film/TheMist the people in the grocery story]] or [[Literature/StephenKing'sIT]], but they were divided by dimensions.
18th Aug '17 7:02:08 AM immortalfrieza
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* This trope even occurs with facing threats that should logically another Superhero would be much more equip to deal with. For instance, The Juggernaut is usually The X-Men's job to handle despite the fact that he's a mystically powered supervillain and thus would fall under Doctor Strange or Ghost Rider's purview, but it is extremely rare that either of them ever get involved and even when they do, it's usually just showing up to tell the X-Men how to deal with it.
8th Jul '17 3:21:16 PM FierceArtist
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** There have been two storylines of Comicbook/CaptainBritain that have an insane [[RealityWarper reality-warping]] mutant (one of whom was the superhero's older brother). Even though years back they faced off against Proteus who caused similar havoc in Muir Island, Moira MacTaggert doesn't think to contact them of something taking place in Britain. With the former situation, one gets the impression that [[BigGood Merlyn]] set the whole thing up in a way that only Captain Britain was supposed to deal with them. Interestingly enough, ''Comicbook/FallOfTheMutants'' was supposed to rectify this, but didn't. At least not directly - ''Comicbook/Excalibur'' was formed sometime afterwards, with two X-Men (Nightcrawler and Shadowcat) in the team.

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** There have been two storylines of Comicbook/CaptainBritain that have an insane [[RealityWarper reality-warping]] mutant (one of whom was the superhero's older brother). Even though years back they faced off against Proteus who caused similar havoc in Muir Island, Moira MacTaggert doesn't think to contact them of something taking place in Britain. With the former situation, one gets the impression that [[BigGood Merlyn]] set the whole thing up in a way that only Captain Britain was supposed to deal with them. Interestingly enough, ''Comicbook/FallOfTheMutants'' ''TheFallOfTheMutants'' event was supposed to rectify this, but didn't. At least not directly - ''Comicbook/Excalibur'' ''Comicbook/{{Excalibur}}'' was formed sometime afterwards, with two X-Men (Nightcrawler and Shadowcat) in the team.
8th Jul '17 3:18:09 PM FierceArtist
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** There have been two storylines of Comicbook/CaptainBritain that have an insane [[RealityWarper reality-warping]] mutant (one of whom was the superhero's older brother). Even though years back they faced off against Proteus who caused similar havoc in Muir Island, Moira MacTaggert doesn't think to contact them of something taking place in Britain. With the former situation, one gets the impression that [[BigGood Merlyn]] set the whole thing up in a way that only Captain Britain was supposed to deal with them. Interestingly enough, ''Comicbook/FallOfTheMutants'' was supposed to rectify this, but didn't. At least not directly - ''Comicbook/Excalibur'' was formed sometime afterwards, with two X-Men (Nightcrawler and Shadowcat) in the team.
29th Jun '17 6:32:57 PM merotoker
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This commonly happens with BadassNormal heroes, who are defined as such because they live in a SharedUniverse of [[MagicAndPowers wizards, literal supermen]], [[PoweredArmor flying tank armored guys]], [[{{Cyborg}} cyborgs]] or everything in between. This gives the writers plenty of opportunity to [[WeakButSkilled develop their heroes in contrast to their super-powered neighbors]], while at the same time being able to focus on the more mundane issues taking place in the hero's own backyard. While this hero can learn to become a part of the everyday reality of his not-so-normal colleagues, and even fight alongside them, it's much more difficult to do [[InvertedTrope the other way around]]: most of the time, the more powerful heroes could easily fix any problem the weaker heroes have in a heartbeat... [[AntiClimaxBoss and that would make for a pretty dull storyline]]. Often, [[AssPull this is avoided by simply keeping the demi-Gods of comic continuity out of the less talented heroes' homes altogether]]. This is ''especially'' true if the hero is [[GrandfatherClause so thoroughly associated with a common everyday problem]], [[CharactersAsDevice characteristic]] or [[{{Protectorate}} element]] that solving it would damage their franchise. In that case, it [[StatusQuoIsGod simply ever won't be solved]] -- even if the hero's superpowered friend could fix it at once. More often than not, the problem is [[NecessaryWeasel so integral to their own works]] that most readers [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief simply accept it.]] Any CrossOver team-ups between the heroes will usually HandWave away the possibility of the stronger hero making any substantial impact in the badass normal's livelihood.

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This commonly happens with BadassNormal heroes, who are defined as such because they live in a SharedUniverse of [[MagicAndPowers wizards, literal supermen]], [[PoweredArmor flying tank armored guys]], [[{{Cyborg}} cyborgs]] {{cyborg}}s or everything in between. This gives the writers plenty of opportunity to [[WeakButSkilled develop their heroes in contrast to their super-powered neighbors]], while at the same time being able to focus on the more mundane issues taking place in the hero's own backyard. While this hero can learn to become a part of the everyday reality of his not-so-normal colleagues, and even fight alongside them, it's much more difficult to do [[InvertedTrope the other way around]]: most of the time, the more powerful heroes could easily fix any problem the weaker heroes have in a heartbeat... [[AntiClimaxBoss and that would make for a pretty dull storyline]]. Often, [[AssPull this is avoided by simply keeping the demi-Gods of comic continuity out of the less talented heroes' homes altogether]]. This is ''especially'' true if the hero is [[GrandfatherClause so thoroughly associated with a common everyday problem]], [[CharactersAsDevice characteristic]] {{character|sAsDevice}}istic or [[{{Protectorate}} element]] that solving it would damage their franchise. In that case, it [[StatusQuoIsGod simply ever won't be solved]] -- even if the hero's superpowered friend could fix it at once. More often than not, the problem is [[NecessaryWeasel so integral to their own works]] that most readers [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief simply accept it.]] Any CrossOver team-ups between the heroes will usually HandWave away the possibility of the stronger hero making any substantial impact in the badass normal's livelihood.



* Creator/{{Clamp}} made a short parody comic in their ''Clamp in Wonderland Ex'' collection about Kamui of ''Manga/{{X1999}}'' visiting the shop of the Dimensional Witch, [[Manga/{{Xxxholic}} Yuuko Ichihara]]. Though it's more of popping into the shop's front yard after the cliffhanger of the manga where he's from. Yuuko agreed to grant Kamui's wish then Mokona jokingly states that the price is the fate of the world, much to Kamui's despair and to Watanuki's irritation [[DudeNotFunny for that joke]]. Then, Fuuma appears and states that he is ''the only one'' who can grant Kamui's wish. Cue the two fighting much to Watanuki's chargin. Though this does raise the question of why Kamui doesn't visit Yuuko's shop to have his wish granted considering that Yuuko made an offhand comment that she knew [[Manga/TokyoBabylon the Sumeragi twins]] when they were young with Subaru being a Dragon of Heaven, it should be noted that ''X/1999'' debuted years before ''xxxHolic'' and Kamui believed that his true wish is to bring Fuuma back to his original self and that he should be the one to do it. [[spoiler:It's only in the cliffhanger chapter where Fuuma revealed that that is not his true wish and Kamui is in a state of shock when he found out.]] In fact, this short comic made it clear that if Kamui does indeed visit Yuuko, it's implied that his price for whatever his wish is probably higher and riskier and Yuuko would have know that his true wish is something greater than what he originally thought and it might be best if Fuuma would be the one to grant it. Also, Yuuko's presence would be seen as a StoryBreakerPower given that she's probably not in the position to intervene the battle between the Dragons of Heaven and the Dragons of Earth unless she was asked to like how she is unable to help the group from ''Manga/TsubasaReservoirChronicle'' during the Acid Tokyo arc until Kurogane requests for her help.

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* Creator/{{Clamp}} made a short parody comic in their ''Clamp in Wonderland Ex'' collection about Kamui of ''Manga/{{X1999}}'' visiting the shop of the Dimensional Witch, [[Manga/{{Xxxholic}} Yuuko Ichihara]]. Though it's more of popping into the shop's front yard after the cliffhanger of the manga where he's from. Yuuko agreed to grant Kamui's wish then Mokona jokingly states that the price is the fate of the world, much to Kamui's despair and to Watanuki's irritation [[DudeNotFunny for that joke]]. Then, Fuuma appears and states that he is ''the only one'' who can grant Kamui's wish. Cue the two fighting much to Watanuki's chargin.chagrin. Though this does raise the question of why Kamui doesn't visit Yuuko's shop to have his wish granted considering that Yuuko made an offhand comment that she knew [[Manga/TokyoBabylon the Sumeragi twins]] when they were young with Subaru being a Dragon of Heaven, it should be noted that ''X/1999'' debuted years before ''xxxHolic'' and Kamui believed that his true wish is to bring Fuuma back to his original self and that he should be the one to do it. [[spoiler:It's only in the cliffhanger chapter where Fuuma revealed that that is not his true wish and Kamui is in a state of shock when he found out.]] In fact, this short comic made it clear that if Kamui does indeed visit Yuuko, it's implied that his price for whatever his wish is probably higher and riskier and Yuuko would have know that his true wish is something greater than what he originally thought and it might be best if Fuuma would be the one to grant it. Also, Yuuko's presence would be seen as a StoryBreakerPower given that she's probably not in the position to intervene the battle between the Dragons of Heaven and the Dragons of Earth unless she was asked to like how she is unable to help the group from ''Manga/TsubasaReservoirChronicle'' during the Acid Tokyo arc until Kurogane requests for her help.



** Forget Superman. WonderWoman will kill. Wonder Woman is capable of moving at about half the speed of light. There is no reason any villain Batman can take on has a chance to pull off their more public schemes, since Diana would be able to find them, behead them, and be gone faster than a single one of Bruce's neurons can fire to begin making a decision.
*** Uh, no. Diana doesn't kill for the sake of killing, she only kills in self defense. Clark or Diana cleaning up Gotham for Batman entails a BewareTheSuperman situation in which they unilaterally execute anyone they deem to be a criminal. That's not very in-character, now is it?

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** Forget Superman. WonderWoman will kill. {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in the first ''JLA Classified'' story, which revealed the Batcave has a "sci-fi closet" full of rayguns, teleporters and antigrav discs. [[HoldingBackThePhlebotinum He just hates using it]]. By Creator/GrantMorrison, naturally.
** Batman has built PoweredArmor and [[EmpoweredBadassNormal acquired powers]] (like a GreenLanternRing in the {{Elseworld}}s story ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_In_Darkest_Knight Batman: In Darkest Knight]]''), which his human allies wield in spades, none of which ''ever'' lasts in his case. As Batman is only [[NotSoDifferent one hair away]] from being as nuts as his RoguesGallery, [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity having a bit of extra power in hand is generally portrayed as the corrupting influence]] to push him over the edge to WellIntentionedExtremist.
** By comparison, Batman has used PoweredArmor in stories that take place in the future (''Comicbook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'') where his armor is a contemporary innovation. The Batman Beyond armor was over 20 years old and thus dated (but still effective) by the time Terry [=McGinnis=] took up the role.
** Gotham's status as a [[CrapsackWorld hellhole]], Arkham Asylum as a CardboardPrison and the existence of JokerImmunity have all been {{lampshade|Hanging}}d / {{Hand Wave}}d as due in part to a supernatural curse, which Batman's magical allies (Comicbook/{{Zatanna}}, Comicbook/TheSpectre) [[IdiotPlot do not seem to know about, let alone consider removing]]. In one case it was even Etrigan sealing demons under Arkham and he never told Batman about it.
** Likewise, it is frequently established as the [[{{Dystopia}} most nightmarish city on Earth]], a metropolitan hellhole with a ridiculously high violent crime rate overrun by murderous psychopaths like ComicBook/TheJoker who terrify even the superpowered rogues of other cities, yet Supes and the rest of the demigodic heroes who could ''easily'' clean up the place and overpower pretty much all of those homicidal lunatics in seconds barely do any meaningful crime fighting when they visit. They actually show up quite frequently--they don't really [[InvertedTrope "stay out of Gotham"]]; it's just that on those occasions they tend to talk with Batman more than they actually ''help him out''.
** In the Franchise/{{Superman}} reboot launch miniseries ''Comicbook/TheManOfSteel'', Superman aids Batman with a criminal named Magpie. At the end, Batman says that Gotham requires a ''different'' touch than Superman's Metropolis.
** It doesn't necessarily work both ways, though: during '' Comicbook/TheDeathOfSuperman'' series, Batman patrolled Metropolis in the days during and after Superman's funeral. He even played by Superman's rules.
** During the ''[[Comicbook/BatmanNoMansLand No Man's Land]]'' BatFamilyCrossover, the government features a literal version when it cuts Gotham off from the rest of the USA and enacts legislation to prevent anyone (normal or superhero) from going in or out even to assist. This proves [[IdiotPlot remarkably effective]] given how many superheroes are aliens, or for whatever reason shouldn't care at all about the ruling:
*** Franchise/{{Superman}} travels to Gotham to deliver supplies and help set up a power plant to provide heat during the winter. The plan falls apart leading to Batman explaining how the city has changed and Superman realizes he's not up to the task of fixing Gotham and leaves. Similarly, the ComicBook/{{Huntress}} in a JLA storyline points out the League's refusal to assist Gotham and Superman replies her presence ''is'' the League's presence. Superman ''does'' return to No Man's Land... but only as Clark Kent. He still seeks to help, but as a normal man doing things like growing gardens for food. He even dirties up his appearance to make it look like he's been there all along, but Batman points out that his disguise is flawed (no one in Gotham has smelled like soap in ''months'').
*** In the League's own book, it was shown that, during "No Man's Land", they were keeping a slew of opportunists (Kobra's organization, evil Atlanteans, assorted alien armadas, etc.) from seizing Gotham for their own. This neatly balanced Superman Stays Out Of Gotham with "Brainiac Is ''Kept'' Out Of Gotham."
*** Jim Gordon revealed during the crossover that he cannot get a job in any police department outside of Gotham as no one wants a cop who needs an "urban legend" to do his policing for him, which Batman is considered despite being a known member of the ''[[Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica JLA]]'' and living in a universe with other cities that have local superheroes (he mentions [[Franchise/TheFlash Keystone City]] by name). The Keystone example is especially curious given they have been shown, in multiple storylines, to be nearly useless at dealing with the Rogues without the Flash around. Of course, they are the [[{{Pun}} Keystone Kops]].
** Barbara Gordon, formerly Comicbook/{{Batgirl}} until ComicBook/TheJoker [[Comicbook/TheKillingJoke put a bullet in her spine]], was [[StuffedIntoTheFridge rescued from the fridge]] and turned into the [[MissionControl information-broker]] superhero Oracle. She became one of the DCU's most capable heroes and an iconic figure of an [[InspirationallyDisadvantaged effective disabled person]] yet did not regain the use of her legs despite the loads of [[AppliedPhlebotinum superpowers, magic & technology]] the DCU had to offer. In-universe, Barbara has justified refusing offers to insta-heal her spine as not wanting special treatment for being a superhero that [[ReedRichardsIsUseless a regular citizen wouldn't have access to]]. One offer came from Amanda Waller. Not trusting 'The Wall' is just logical. Using magic in the DCU? It's just ''begging'' for trouble. As of the Comicbook/{{New 52}} reboot, her back is fixed and [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl2011}} she's back to being Batgirl]], although she feels incredibly guilty about being given a cure that the average person doesn't have access to.
** In ''ComicBook/ElseworldsFinestSupergirlAndBatgirl'', ''Comicbook/{{Batgirl}}'' reinforces this: she banishes all parahumans from Gotham after closing the city off. However her ban is defied by ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'', who flies to Gotham to help whether Batgirl likes or not.
** "The Call," a short story in the ''Batman Black and White'' series, thoroughly discusses this trope. It's revealed that Batman carries a small communicator that can instantly summon Superman, but he only uses it in extreme emergencies--in the context of the story, a young woman is shot in the throat by a mobster during a raid on a party, and Batman, who swears by ThouShaltNotKill, knows that he can't get her to a hospital in time. Superman makes short work of the healing process, but as he does, he talks with Bruce about the whole situation--the Dark Knight never calls the rest of the Justice League for help, for example. The two ultimately come to an understanding, pointing out that regardless of their methods of heroism, they both play a crucial role in protecting people, and that's what matters most.
** This whole situation was {{lampshade|Hanging}}d in an out of continuity story Creator/GailSimone did for ''Sensation Comics''. After Batman and his partners are temporarily sidelined, Franchise/WonderWoman comes to Gotham and not only makes a significant dent in its supervillain underworld, but even causes some of Batman's foes to reform in the process.
** Superman and Batman have both mentioned having a noted dislike for operating in each other's respective cities. Superman hates working in Gotham because it's so dark and dingy for the sun empowered hero, not to mention most of the buildings are lined with lead, blocking his X-ray vision, making him less effective than he could be. Batman hates working in Metropolis because everything is so brightly lit, making it difficult to hide and the buildings are spaced further apart preventing him from scaling them easily.
** During one very interesting conversation in ''Comicbook/{{Justice}}'', Batman observed with some admiration that the reason Superman publicly talks about having XRayVision and other SuperSenses is specifically because it serves notice on the criminals of Metropolis that the shadows cannot hide them from him. This contrasts the criminals of Gotham, where Batman has had to become a part of the night in order to chase down the criminals that use it as cover for their crimes.
*** In the {{Novelization}} of ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'',
Wonder Woman is capable addresses this as well, noting that Superman could have been a MysteriousProtector, but instead flew around the city "like Apollo in the sky," partly to inspire, but also let everyone know he was on watch.
** This was discussed in an issue
of moving at Comicbook/SupermanBatman, where it's explained that whenever Batman has business in Metropolis, Superman insists on keeping watch on Gotham City. The Dark Knight always makes sure to return the favor for the Last Son of Krypton. Anyhow, Superman notes that Commissioner Gordon always seems happy to see him. Furthermore, they two have noted in the same issue that crime and trouble come in very different shapes in their two respective cities; with Gotham City, it's mostly about half psychopaths like Joker, Zsasz, Firefly, Two-Face, and the speed rest robbing banks or blowing stuff up. Metropolis, on the other hand, is mainly endangered by the "sci-fi monsters rampaging down 2nd Avenue," or something to that effect.
** In a somewhat funny if grim aversion, during ''Battle For The Cowl'', where Batman is believed to be dead and the villains
of light. Gotham are all rampaging, Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} runs around trying to deal with the problems and quickly decides 'Nope' and calls in 20-25 other superhero allies of his to help him bring order back to Gotham. He probably remembers the ''last'' time [[ComicBook/{{Knightfall}} Batman tried to deal with that situation himself]].
** ''ComicBook/BatmanRebirth'' seems to be a {{Deconstruction}}, as Batman deals with two new flying heroes who state they'll be protecting Gotham, after saving a crashing plane and Bats' life. Bats' reaction? Incorporate them slowly into his fold, seeing what they can do and study their background. [[spoiler: He learns they're normal people who have a similar background to him, enough that he's pleased that advice he gave one as a boy has been taken to heart.]]
** In the ''DC Universe Holiday Special 2008: A Day Without Sirens'', a "Day Without Sirens" is proposed right before Christmas. Commissioner Gordon believes such an initiative is doomed to failure. The criminals of Gotham would never heed such a calling. However, the day proceeds without police sirens. [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pScx8BN4h3s/SU-kKYaVUmI/AAAAAAAACGc/LKdSPl0ht34/s1600-h/holiday-09.jpg It turns out that]] Oracle teamed up with Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} and both girls handled covertly all emergency calls during that day. Supergirl ended up completely exhausted, though, making clear she cannot keep it up forever.
--->'''Oracle:''' Just rest easy knowing you did something special today.\\
'''Supergirl:''' You really think so? Do you think this one day is going to make a difference?\\
'''Oracle:''' I know so. Never discount the healing power of a little hope, Kara.
**
There is no another, more subtle reason any villain that is danced around as well. Superman and other heroes understand that Batman can take on needs to patrol Gotham for his own mental health. Batman ''needs'' to be a protector, and he can't be one if he's constantly being aided.
* Conversely, Batman stays out of Blüdhaven, which is his former protogee ComicBook/{{Nightwing}}'s patrol. Dick Grayson
has a chance to pull off their more public schemes, since Diana would be able to find them, behead them, and be gone faster very different touch than a single one of Bruce's neurons can fire to begin making a decision.
*** Uh, no. Diana
Bruce's, and regardless, Bruce trusts Dick implicitly and doesn't kill for the sake of killing, she only kills presume to undermine or interfere with his life there.
* {{Averted|Trope}}
in self defense. Clark or Diana cleaning up Gotham for ''Comicbook/SuperPowers''--the first issue begins with Batman entails a BewareTheSuperman situation in which they unilaterally execute anyone they deem mysteriously missing (he'd been captured by Comicbook/{{Brainiac}}), so Superman stays to be a criminal. That's not very in-character, now is it? fight the rampaging supervillains while Wonder Woman goes into space to rescue him.



** In the non-canon ''[[ComicBook/EarthX Universe X]]'' comic, one character hypothesises that the more powerful evil forces in the Marvel Universe- for instance, [[TheLegionsOfHell Hell Lords like Mephisto]], and other demons and dark gods- actually go out of their way to manipulate characters and events to sabotage human-mutant relations, with the explicit aim of stopping them banding together more often and kicking their collective asses or making the world a better place. This is quite a clever [[JustifiedTrope justification]], even if it wouldn't explain everything (as demons can't affect Free Will), but it has yet to cross over into the mainstream stories.

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** In the non-canon ''[[ComicBook/EarthX Universe X]]'' comic, one character hypothesises that the more powerful evil forces in the Marvel Universe- for instance, [[TheLegionsOfHell Hell Lords like Mephisto]], and other demons and dark gods- actually go out of their way to manipulate characters and events to sabotage human-mutant relations, with the explicit aim of stopping them banding together more often and kicking their collective asses or making the world a better place. This is quite a clever [[JustifiedTrope justification]], {{justifi|edTrope}}cation, even if it wouldn't explain everything (as demons can't affect Free Will), but it has yet to cross over into the mainstream stories.



** ''ComicBook/UncannyAvengers'' is built around breaking down this trope while also giving it more reasons as to why it exists in the first place. After admitting that the Avengers never did much to help the mutant race, Comicbook/CaptainAmerica decides to form a new mutant-centric team of heroes in order to convince humans and mutants to get along. Problem is the two groups have different dynamics and styles of command, and they clash. Frequently. In the end the series shows at several points that the trope 'Superman Stays Out of Gotham' could also be called "Superman Stays Out of Gotham Because He and Batman Operate Very Differently and Their Arguments Can Lead to Bad Things'. Both groups are made up of good people true, but they don't mesh as well as a pure team of Avengers or a pure team of X-Men.
*** Part of the problem also originates from the membership choices. The original team had a designated leader in the mutant Havok, but Cap joining the team to inspire by example creates serious leadership confusion that often divides the team by group origins. Also the recruitment of Scarlet Witch to the team led to several clashes with the mutant members who still blame her for House of M. While the membership was partially influenced by who they could round up during the Red Skull's plans and later by monetary and PR necessity, one can't help but wonder if the team would have had more success with a more precise and careful recruitment method that avoided conflicts of command and flare ups of old grudges.

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** ''ComicBook/UncannyAvengers'' is built around breaking down this trope while also giving it more reasons as to why it exists in the first place. After admitting that the Avengers never did much to help the mutant race, Comicbook/CaptainAmerica decides to form a new mutant-centric team of heroes in order to convince humans and mutants to get along. Problem is the two groups have different dynamics and styles of command, and they clash. Frequently. In the end the series shows at several points that the trope 'Superman Stays Out of Gotham' could also be called "Superman Stays Out of Gotham Because He and Batman Operate Very Differently and Their Arguments Can Lead to Bad Things'. Both groups are made up of good people true, but they don't mesh as well as a pure team of Avengers or a pure team of X-Men.
***
X-Men.\\
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Part of the problem also originates from the membership choices. The original team had a designated leader in the mutant Havok, but Cap joining the team to inspire by example creates serious leadership confusion that often divides the team by group origins. Also the recruitment of Scarlet Witch the ComicBook/ScarletWitch to the team led to several clashes with the mutant members who still blame her for House of M.ComicBook/HouseOfM. While the membership was partially influenced by who they could round up during the Red Skull's plans and later by monetary and PR necessity, one can't help but wonder if the team would have had more success with a more precise and careful recruitment method that avoided conflicts of command and flare ups of old grudges.



** The main reason for this is because of Wakanda being a heavily isolationist and xenophobic nation. He has nothing but complete respect for his friends and comrades abroad such as in the Avengers, but ultimately, as King, Wakanda is his responsability. Furthermore, Wakanda makes it clear that outsiders (including superheroes) are not welcome and usually don't need their help.

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** The main reason for this is because of Wakanda being a heavily isolationist and xenophobic nation. He has nothing but complete respect for his friends and comrades abroad such as in the Avengers, but ultimately, as King, Wakanda is his responsability.responsibility. Furthermore, Wakanda makes it clear that outsiders (including superheroes) are not welcome and usually don't need their help.



* Later developments in the Franchise/GreenLantern books more or less [[InvokedTrope invoked]] this with respect to Earth: per the terms of a deal between the two, Guy Gardner and the Red Lanterns now patrol sector 2814 (which includes Earth), while Hal Jordan and the rest of the GL Corps are required to stay away. New Lantern Simon Baz is allowed to stay on Earth but isn't allowed to go anywhere else. The deal was dropped when Guy Gardner left the Red Lanterns and the entire Green Lantern Corps disappeared, leaving a vacuum that wasn't filled until ComicBook/DCRebirth, when the Sinestro Corps decided to take over and Hal Jordan, having been a renegade on the run during the period before, decided to come back and right that wrong, the other Corps members making their way back from where they disappeared off to.

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* Later developments in the Franchise/GreenLantern books more or less [[InvokedTrope invoked]] {{invoked|Trope}} this with respect to Earth: per the terms of a deal between the two, Guy Gardner and the Red Lanterns now patrol sector 2814 (which includes Earth), while Hal Jordan and the rest of the GL Corps are required to stay away. New Lantern Simon Baz is allowed to stay on Earth but isn't allowed to go anywhere else. The deal was dropped when Guy Gardner left the Red Lanterns and the entire Green Lantern Corps disappeared, leaving a vacuum that wasn't filled until ComicBook/DCRebirth, when the Sinestro Corps decided to take over and Hal Jordan, having been a renegade on the run during the period before, decided to come back and right that wrong, the other Corps members making their way back from where they disappeared off to.



* {{Averted}} in ''Film/SupermanReturns''--in the news report, Gotham actually is listed as one of the cities where Superman stopped to do good deeds. Mostly just a MythologyGag, though, since as far as we know other superheroes don't even exist in this universe.

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* {{Averted}} {{Averted|Trope}} in ''Film/SupermanReturns''--in the news report, Gotham actually is listed as one of the cities where Superman stopped to do good deeds. Mostly just a MythologyGag, though, since as far as we know other superheroes don't even exist in this universe.



** ''Series/TheSarahJaneAdventures'' has the time-traveling Doctor pop in occasionally, but for the most part the fate of the Earth (or at least [[AliensOfLondon London]]) appears to be in the hands of a middle-aged woman and some school-aged children. Likewise, while it's established that Sarah Jane DoesNotLikeGuns and ''{{Series/Torchwood}}'''s [[DarkerAndEdgier tone]] is the [[LighterAndSofter exact opposite of this show's]], it's still bit glaring that Sarah Jane and Captain Jack Harkness never seem to share notes in crisis situations, even after working together well in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E13JourneysEnd "Journey's End"]].

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** ''Series/TheSarahJaneAdventures'' has the time-traveling Doctor pop in occasionally, but for the most part the fate of the Earth (or at least [[AliensOfLondon London]]) appears to be in the hands of a middle-aged woman and some school-aged children. Likewise, while it's established that Sarah Jane DoesNotLikeGuns DoesntLikeGuns and ''{{Series/Torchwood}}'''s [[DarkerAndEdgier tone]] is the [[LighterAndSofter exact opposite of this show's]], it's still bit glaring that Sarah Jane and Captain Jack Harkness never seem to share notes in crisis situations, even after working together well in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E13JourneysEnd "Journey's End"]].



* ''Series/{{Supergirl 2015}}'' addresses this as Kara's desire to strike out on her own as a superhero in the world, so she defends National City while Clark stays in Metropolis. When James Olsen has to call Superman to save Supergirl from dying to an attack from Reactron, Kara and James have an argument about whether or not he should have called Superman at all. At the end of the episode even James admits that he moved to National City to become his own man and not remain "Jimmy" forever.
** In that episode, Supergirl also notes a practical reason: villains will start to think she's an easy target and plague National City if she needs Superman to help her on every problem.

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* ''Series/{{Supergirl 2015}}'' addresses this as Kara's desire to strike out on her own as a superhero in the world, so she defends National City while Clark stays in Metropolis. When James Olsen has to call Superman to save Supergirl from dying to an attack from Reactron, Kara and James have an argument about whether or not he should have called Superman at all. At the end of the episode even James admits that he moved to National City to become his own man and not remain "Jimmy" forever.
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forever. In that episode, Supergirl also notes a practical reason: villains will start to think she's an easy target and plague National City if she needs Superman to help her on every problem.



** Even other Bat-Family members are neglected. Batwoman, Hunteress and Creeper are all established to exist by the time of Arkham Knight, but never appear to help. Well, Jack Ryder does appear, but [[ForgettingYourPowers it never occurs to him or Batman to turn into the Creeper.]]

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** Even other Bat-Family members are neglected. Batwoman, Hunteress Huntress and Creeper ComicBook/TheCreeper are all established to exist by the time of Arkham Knight, ''Arkham Knight'', but never appear to help. Well, Jack Ryder does appear, but [[ForgettingYourPowers [[ForgotAboutHisPowers it never occurs to him or Batman to turn into the Creeper.]]



** The Justice League is absent in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight'' because after your 1st bomb encounter, Arkham Knight's threat was broadcasted worldwide to prevent outside involvement less there be a big crater where Gotham used to be. A mook comments that he's worried about "[[Franchise/{{Superman}} that freak from Metropolis]]" intervening, so it's probably due to the rapid developments that the other heroes didn't get involved - it was over before other heroes ''could'' react. This jumps into VoodooShark territory since many of Batman's allies can move faster than the speed of light.

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** The Justice League is absent in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight'' because after your 1st bomb encounter, Arkham Knight's ''Arkham Knight'''s threat was broadcasted worldwide to prevent outside involvement less there be a big crater where Gotham used to be. A mook comments that he's worried about "[[Franchise/{{Superman}} that freak from Metropolis]]" intervening, so it's probably due to the rapid developments that the other heroes didn't get involved - it was over before other heroes ''could'' react. This jumps into VoodooShark territory since many of Batman's allies can move faster than the speed of light.



** It is also mentioned in 'Razzlr Dazzle' that the Dark Avenger (a CaptainErsatz combination of the Shadow, Batman, and the Punisher) had a habit of pissing off other costumed heroes by jumping into the middle of the another hero's bust, guns blazing. He did this in Chicago one time in the mid-1930s, to the Champion (the world's Superman equivalent), who got so angry at the Dark Avenger's gun-happy recklessness that he tried to arrest him.

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** It is also mentioned in 'Razzlr Dazzle' that the Dark Avenger (a CaptainErsatz combination of the Shadow, Batman, and the Punisher) had a habit of pissing off other costumed heroes by jumping into the middle of the another hero's bust, guns blazing. He did this in Chicago one time in the mid-1930s, to the Champion (the world's Superman equivalent), who got so angry at the Dark Avenger's gun-happy recklessness that he tried to arrest him.



* [[Recap/TheNewBatmanAdventuresE20GirlsNightOut "Girls' Night Out"]], an episode of ''[[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries The New Batman Adventures]]'', gender-flips as well as subverts it when Livewire escapes to Gotham (and runs into ComicBook/HarleyQuinn and Poison Ivy). In response, ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} must team up with ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} to stop the trio.

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* [[Recap/TheNewBatmanAdventuresE20GirlsNightOut "Girls' Night Out"]], an episode of ''[[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries The New Batman Adventures]]'', gender-flips as well as subverts it when Livewire escapes to Gotham (and runs into ComicBook/HarleyQuinn and Poison Ivy).ComicBook/PoisonIvy). In response, ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} must team up with ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} to stop the trio.
23rd Jun '17 7:24:01 PM 64SuperNintendo
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'''Superman & Batman:''' (''simultaneously'') ''Fly really fast, saving everyone from the bullets and explosions!''

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'''Superman & and Batman:''' (''simultaneously'') ''Fly really fast, saving everyone from the bullets and explosions!''



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-->'''Matt Murdock:''' No. Not until…a little over a year later, I guess. Aliens are a little out of my wheelhouse, anyway. I was at this law firm that Foggy and I used to intern for and they put the whole place on lockdown. No one in, no one out. But especially no one in. Landman & Zack at its best.

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-->'''Matt Murdock:''' No. Not until…a little over a year later, I guess. Aliens are a little out of my wheelhouse, anyway. I was at this law firm that Foggy and I used to intern for and they put the whole place on lockdown. No one in, no one out. But especially no one in. Landman & and Zack at its best.
19th Jun '17 2:09:25 PM TheJ0ker
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*** Uh, no. Diana doesn't kill for the sake of killing, she only kills in self defense. Clark or Diana cleaning up Gotham for Batman entails a BewareTheSuperman situation in which they unilaterally execute anyone they deem to be a criminal. That's not very in-character, now is it?
18th Jun '17 6:24:01 PM Tuckerscreator
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOBatmanMovie'': The entire Justice League is shown partying midway through the film, but none of them show up when all the villains in the Phantom Zone are let out and Gotham risks falling into an abyss. Subverted in the ''WebAnimation/HowItShouldHaveEnded'' parody, where all the superheroes do show up and so instantly override the Bat-Family's attempt to save their city.
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