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20th May '17 8:46:01 PM TheDocCC
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** The Justice League is absent in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight'' because after your 1st bomb encounter, Arkham Knight's threat was broadcasted worldwide to prevent outside involvement less there be a big crater where Gotham used to be. A mook comments that he's worried about "[[Franchise/{{Superman}} that freak from Metropolis]]" intervening, so it's probably due to the rapid developments that the other heroes didn't get involved - it was over before other heroes ''could'' react.

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** The Justice League is absent in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight'' because after your 1st bomb encounter, Arkham Knight's threat was broadcasted worldwide to prevent outside involvement less there be a big crater where Gotham used to be. A mook comments that he's worried about "[[Franchise/{{Superman}} that freak from Metropolis]]" intervening, so it's probably due to the rapid developments that the other heroes didn't get involved - it was over before other heroes ''could'' react. This jumps into VoodooShark territory since many of Batman's allies can move faster than the speed of light.
20th May '17 3:34:15 AM TheDocCC
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** Forget Superman. WonderWoman will kill. Wonder Woman is capable of moving at about half the speed of light. There is no reason any villain Batman can take on has a chance to pull off their more public schemes, since Diana would be able to find them, behead them, and be gone faster than a single one of Bruce's neurons can fire to begin making a decision.
16th May '17 8:41:37 AM SSJMagus
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** ExpandedUniverse books that cover the TNG crew during the Dominion War timeframe simply have them [[HeroOfAnotherStory fighting elsewhere]]. This is after all the interstellar equivalent to World War II, and was fought on multiple fronts.
12th May '17 9:30:38 AM KaputExaltation
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BadassNormal heroes are defined as such because they live in a SharedUniverse of [[MagicAndPowers Mages, Superhumans]], [[PoweredArmor Super-Inventors]], HumanAliens or everything in between. This gives the writers plenty of opportunity to develop their heroes in contrast to their superpowered neighbours, while at the same time being able to focus on the very mundane issues taking place in the hero's own backyard.

The hero can learn to become a part of the enhanced reality of his not-so-BadassNormal colleagues, and even fight alongside them without any apparent difference in crime fighting ability. However, it's much more difficult the other way around: most of the time, the AppliedPhlebotinum-wielding heroes [[StoryBreakerTeamUp simply don't fit into the everyday world of a regular Joe.]] Even though they could probably help the hero fix every daily problem (health troubles, car troubles, tax troubles, love troubles) in a heartbeat, it would make for a pretty dull storyline. Often, this is avoided by simply keeping the demi-Gods of comic continuity out of the less talented heroes' homes altogether.

This trope occurs when a hero lives in a sprawling verse full of tremendously powerful allies and fantastical elements (and regularly crosses over with them) that could completely up-end their mundane struggles and headaches, were it not for the fact that the fantastical elements never show up in relation to the story's real life issues. If the hero is [[GrandfatherClause so thoroughly associated with a common everyday problem]], [[CharactersAsDevice characteristic]] or [[{{Protectorate}} element]] that solving it would damage their franchise, it simply won't be solved -- even if the hero's superpowered friend could fix it at once. More often than not, the problem is [[NecessaryWeasel so integral to their own works]] that the reader [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief accepts it.]] Any CrossOver team-ups between the heroes will usually HandWave away the possibility of the Phlebotinum-based hero making any substantial impact in the BadassNormal hero's livelihood.

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[[SuperWeight It's simply a fact that some characters are more powerful than others]]. This trope comes into play when two or more characters who are on the same team have blatantly different levels of power and live in the [[SharedUniverse same universe]], but [[HoldingBackThePhlebotinum the stronger of them always says out of anything the weaker character(s) have trouble with]]. This is because their powers [[StoryBreakerPower would instantly solve the problems of the weaker hero(es)]] and thus [[RuleOfDrama fail to preserve drama]].

This commonly happens with
BadassNormal heroes heroes, who are defined as such because they live in a SharedUniverse of [[MagicAndPowers Mages, Superhumans]], wizards, literal supermen]], [[PoweredArmor Super-Inventors]], HumanAliens flying tank armored guys]], [[{{Cyborg}} cyborgs]] or everything in between. This gives the writers plenty of opportunity to [[WeakButSkilled develop their heroes in contrast to their superpowered neighbours, super-powered neighbors]], while at the same time being able to focus on the very more mundane issues taking place in the hero's own backyard.

The
backyard. While this hero can learn to become a part of the enhanced everyday reality of his not-so-BadassNormal not-so-normal colleagues, and even fight alongside them without any apparent difference in crime fighting ability. However, them, it's much more difficult to do [[InvertedTrope the other way around: around]]: most of the time, the AppliedPhlebotinum-wielding more powerful heroes [[StoryBreakerTeamUp simply don't fit into the everyday world of a regular Joe.]] Even though they could probably help the hero easily fix every daily any problem (health troubles, car troubles, tax troubles, love troubles) the weaker heroes have in a heartbeat, it heartbeat... [[AntiClimaxBoss and that would make for a pretty dull storyline. storyline]]. Often, [[AssPull this is avoided by simply keeping the demi-Gods of comic continuity out of the less talented heroes' homes altogether.

altogether]]. This trope occurs when a hero lives in a sprawling verse full of tremendously powerful allies and fantastical elements (and regularly crosses over with them) that could completely up-end their mundane struggles and headaches, were it not for the fact that the fantastical elements never show up in relation to the story's real life issues. If is ''especially'' true if the hero is [[GrandfatherClause so thoroughly associated with a common everyday problem]], [[CharactersAsDevice characteristic]] or [[{{Protectorate}} element]] that solving it would damage their franchise, franchise. In that case, it [[StatusQuoIsGod simply ever won't be solved solved]] -- even if the hero's superpowered friend could fix it at once. More often than not, the problem is [[NecessaryWeasel so integral to their own works]] that the reader most readers [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief accepts simply accept it.]] Any CrossOver team-ups between the heroes will usually HandWave away the possibility of the Phlebotinum-based stronher hero making any substantial impact in the BadassNormal hero's badass normal's livelihood.



A less-common DoubleSubversion is when the hero calls upon his pantheon of super-allies for help in solving some intractable problem that they may or may not have solved before, only to get back a unanimous "There is nothing we can do" response.

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A less-common DoubleSubversion is when the hero calls upon his pantheon of super-allies for help in solving some intractable problem that they may or may not have solved before, [[TheGodsMustBeLazy only to get back a unanimous "There is nothing we can do" response.
response]].
11th May '17 2:38:53 PM KaputExaltation
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** The Caped Crusader's hometown of Gotham City is the {{Trope Namer|s}}. It's [[WretchedHive a crime-ridden dystopia]] that's full of problems [[ViceCity from the ground up]]. Batman himself is the poster child for the [[BadassNormal badass normal]] who relies on "[[BlatantLies mundane means]]" to get the job done: [[TrainingFromHell mastering every Martial Art in the world]], [[BadassBookworm educating]] himself in [[OmnidisciplinaryScientist virtually every science known to man]], [[PoweredArmor various powered armors]], [[{{Determinator}} pure determination]], [[FictionFiveHundred and]] [[CrimefightingWithCash money]], [[AnthropicPrinciple lots of money]]. Despite all that, Gotham continually teeters on the edge of becoming a [[UrbanHellscape complete]] [[SoiledCityOnAHill waste]]. Gotham exists in the same universe as Franchise/{{Superman}}, [[StoryBreakerPower who easily has the power and motivations to end Gotham's corruption overnight]], but [[OutOfCharacter never bothers]] for [[StatusQuoIsGod some reason]].
** {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in the first ''JLA Classified'' story, which revealed the Batcave has a "sci-fi closet" full of rayguns, teleporters and antigrav discs. [[HoldingBackThePhlebotinum He just hates using it]]. By Creator/GrantMorrison, naturally.
** Batman has built PoweredArmor and [[EmpoweredBadassNormal acquired powers]] (like a GreenLanternRing in the {{Elseworld}}s story ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_In_Darkest_Knight Batman: In Darkest Knight]]''), which his human allies wield in spades, none of which ''ever'' lasts in his case. As Batman is only [[NotSoDifferent one hair away]] from being as nuts as his RoguesGallery, [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity having a bit of extra power in hand is generally portrayed as the corrupting influence]] to push him over the edge to WellIntentionedExtremist.
** By comparison, Batman has used PoweredArmor in stories that take place in the future (''Comicbook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'') where his armor is a contemporary innovation. The Batman Beyond armor was over 20 years old and thus dated (but still effective) by the time Terry [=McGinnis=] took up the role.
** Gotham's status as a [[CrapsackWorld hellhole]], Arkham Asylum as a CardboardPrison and the existence of JokerImmunity have all been {{lampshade|Hanging}}d / {{Hand Wave}}d as due in part to a supernatural curse, which Batman's magical allies (Comicbook/{{Zatanna}}, Comicbook/TheSpectre) [[IdiotPlot do not seem to know about, let alone consider removing]]. In one case it was even Etrigan sealing demons under Arkham and he never told Batman about it.
** Likewise, it is frequently established as the [[{{Dystopia}} most nightmarish city on Earth]], a metropolitan hellhole with a ridiculously high violent crime rate overrun by murderous psychopaths like ComicBook/TheJoker who terrify even the superpowered rogues of other cities, yet Supes and the rest of the demigodic heroes who could ''easily'' clean up the place and overpower pretty much all of those homicidal lunatics in seconds barely do any meaningful crime fighting when they visit. They actually show up quite frequently--they don't really [[InvertedTrope "stay out of Gotham"]]; it's just that on those occasions they tend to talk with Batman more than they actually ''help him out''.
** In the Franchise/{{Superman}} reboot launch miniseries ''Comicbook/TheManOfSteel'', Superman aids Batman with a criminal named Magpie. At the end, Batman says that Gotham requires a ''different'' touch than Superman's Metropolis.
** It doesn't necessarily work both ways, though: during '' Comicbook/TheDeathOfSuperman'' series, Batman patrolled Metropolis in the days during and after Superman's funeral. He even played by Superman's rules.
** During the ''[[Comicbook/BatmanNoMansLand No Man's Land]]'' BatFamilyCrossover, the government features a literal version when it cuts Gotham off from the rest of the USA and enacts legislation to prevent anyone (normal or superhero) from going in or out even to assist. This proves [[IdiotPlot remarkably effective]] given how many superheroes are aliens, or for whatever reason shouldn't care at all about the ruling:
*** Franchise/{{Superman}} travels to Gotham to deliver supplies and help set up a power plant to provide heat during the winter. The plan falls apart leading to Batman explaining how the city has changed and Superman realizes he's not up to the task of fixing Gotham and leaves. Similarly, the ComicBook/{{Huntress}} in a JLA storyline points out the League's refusal to assist Gotham and Superman replies her presence ''is'' the League's presence. Superman ''does'' return to No Man's Land... but only as Clark Kent. He still seeks to help, but as a normal man doing things like growing gardens for food. He even dirties up his appearance to make it look like he's been there all along, but Batman points out that his disguise is flawed (no one in Gotham has smelled like soap in ''months'').
*** In the League's own book, it was shown that, during "No Man's Land", they were keeping a slew of opportunists (Kobra's organization, evil Atlanteans, assorted alien armadas, etc.) from seizing Gotham for their own. This neatly balanced Superman Stays Out Of Gotham with "Brainiac Is ''Kept'' Out Of Gotham."
*** Jim Gordon revealed during the crossover that he cannot get a job in any police department outside of Gotham as no one wants a cop who needs an "urban legend" to do his policing for him, which Batman is considered despite being a known member of the ''[[Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica JLA]]'' and living in a universe with other cities that have local superheroes (he mentions [[Franchise/TheFlash Keystone City]] by name). The Keystone example is especially curious given they have been shown, in multiple storylines, to be nearly useless at dealing with the Rogues without the Flash around. Of course, they are the [[{{Pun}} Keystone Kops]].
** Barbara Gordon, formerly Comicbook/{{Batgirl}} until ComicBook/TheJoker [[Comicbook/TheKillingJoke put a bullet in her spine]], was [[StuffedIntoTheFridge rescued from the fridge]] and turned into the [[MissionControl information-broker]] superhero Oracle. She became one of the DCU's most capable heroes and an iconic figure of an [[InspirationallyDisadvantaged effective disabled person]] yet did not regain the use of her legs despite the loads of [[AppliedPhlebotinum superpowers, magic & technology]] the DCU had to offer. In-universe, Barbara has justified refusing offers to insta-heal her spine as not wanting special treatment for being a superhero that [[ReedRichardsIsUseless a regular citizen wouldn't have access to]]. One offer came from Amanda Waller. Not trusting 'The Wall' is just logical. Using magic in the DCU? It's just ''begging'' for trouble. As of the Comicbook/{{New 52}} reboot, her back is fixed and [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl2011}} she's back to being Batgirl]], although she feels incredibly guilty about being given a cure that the average person doesn't have access to.
** In ''ComicBook/ElseworldsFinestSupergirlAndBatgirl'', ''Comicbook/{{Batgirl}}'' reinforces this: she banishes all parahumans from Gotham after closing the city off. However her ban is defied by ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'', who flies to Gotham to help whether Batgirl likes or not.
** "The Call," a short story in the ''Batman Black and White'' series, thoroughly discusses this trope. It's revealed that Batman carries a small communicator that can instantly summon Superman, but he only uses it in extreme emergencies--in the context of the story, a young woman is shot in the throat by a mobster during a raid on a party, and Batman, who swears by ThouShaltNotKill, knows that he can't get her to a hospital in time. Superman makes short work of the healing process, but as he does, he talks with Bruce about the whole situation--the Dark Knight never calls the rest of the Justice League for help, for example. The two ultimately come to an understanding, pointing out that regardless of their methods of heroism, they both play a crucial role in protecting people, and that's what matters most.
** This whole situation was {{lampshade|Hanging}}d in an out of continuity story Creator/GailSimone did for ''Sensation Comics''. After Batman and his partners are temporarily sidelined, Franchise/WonderWoman comes to Gotham and not only makes a significant dent in its supervillain underworld, but even causes some of Batman's foes to reform in the process.
** Superman and Batman have both mentioned having a noted dislike for operating in each other's respective cities. Superman hates working in Gotham because it's so dark and dingy for the sun empowered hero, not to mention most of the buildings are lined with lead, blocking his X-ray vision, making him less effective than he could be. Batman hates working in Metropolis because everything is so brightly lit, making it difficult to hide and the buildings are spaced further apart preventing him from scaling them easily.
** During one very interesting conversation in ''Comicbook/{{Justice}}'', Batman observed with some admiration that the reason Superman publicly talks about having XRayVision and other SuperSenses is specifically because it serves notice on the criminals of Metropolis that the shadows cannot hide them from him. This contrasts the criminals of Gotham, where Batman has had to become a part of the night in order to chase down the criminals that use it as cover for their crimes.
*** In the {{Novelization}} of ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'', Wonder Woman addresses this as well, noting that Superman could have been a MysteriousProtector, but instead flew around the city "like Apollo in the sky," partly to inspire, but also let everyone know he was on watch.
** This was discussed in an issue of Comicbook/SupermanBatman, where it's explained that whenever Batman has business in Metropolis, Superman insists on keeping watch on Gotham City. The Dark Knight always makes sure to return the favor for the Last Son of Krypton. Anyhow, Superman notes that Commissioner Gordon always seems happy to see him. Furthermore, they two have noted in the same issue that crime and trouble come in very different shapes in their two respective cities; with Gotham City, it's mostly about psychopaths like Joker, Zsasz, Firefly, Two-Face, and the rest robbing banks or blowing stuff up. Metropolis, on the other hand, is mainly endangered by the "sci-fi monsters rampaging down 2nd Avenue," or something to that effect.
** In a somewhat funny if grim aversion, during ''Battle For The Cowl'', where Batman is believed to be dead and the villains of Gotham are all rampaging, Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} runs around trying to deal with the problems and quickly decides 'Nope' and calls in 20-25 other superhero allies of his to help him bring order back to Gotham. He probably remembers the ''last'' time [[ComicBook/{{Knightfall}} Batman tried to deal with that situation himself]].
** ''ComicBook/BatmanRebirth'' seems to be a {{Deconstruction}}, as Batman deals with two new flying heroes who state they'll be protecting Gotham, after saving a crashing plane and Bats' life. Bats' reaction? Incorporate them slowly into his fold, seeing what they can do and study their background. [[spoiler: He learns they're normal people who have a similar background to him, enough that he's pleased that advice he gave one as a boy has been taken to heart.]]
** In the ''DC Universe Holiday Special 2008: A Day Without Sirens'', a "Day Without Sirens" is proposed right before Christmas. Commissioner Gordon believes such an initiative is doomed to failure. The criminals of Gotham would never heed such a calling. However, the day proceeds without police sirens. [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pScx8BN4h3s/SU-kKYaVUmI/AAAAAAAACGc/LKdSPl0ht34/s1600-h/holiday-09.jpg It turns out that]] Oracle teamed up with Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} and both girls handled covertly all emergency calls during that day. Supergirl ended up completely exhausted, though, making clear she cannot keep it up forever.
--->'''Oracle:''' Just rest easy knowing you did something special today.\\
'''Supergirl:''' You really think so? Do you think this one day is going to make a difference?\\
'''Oracle:''' I know so. Never discount the healing power of a little hope, Kara.
** There is another, more subtle reason that is danced around as well. Superman and other heroes understand that Batman needs to patrol Gotham for his own mental health. Batman ''needs'' to be a protector, and he can't be one if he's constantly being aided.
* Conversely, Batman stays out of Blüdhaven, which is his former protogee ComicBook/{{Nightwing}}'s patrol. Dick Grayson has a very different touch than Bruce's, and regardless, Bruce trusts Dick implicitly and doesn't presume to undermine or interfere with his life there.
* {{Averted}} in ''Comicbook/SuperPowers''--the first issue begins with Batman mysteriously missing (he'd been captured by Comicbook/{{Brainiac}}), so Superman stays to fight the rampaging supervillains while Wonder Woman goes into space to rescue him.

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** The Caped Crusader's hometown of Gotham City is the {{Trope Namer|s}}. It's [[WretchedHive a crime-ridden dystopia]] that's full of problems [[ViceCity from the ground up]]. Batman himself is the poster child for the [[BadassNormal badass normal]] who relies on "[[BlatantLies mundane means]]" to get the job done: [[TrainingFromHell mastering every Martial Art in the world]], [[BadassBookworm educating]] himself in [[OmnidisciplinaryScientist virtually every science known to man]], [[PoweredArmor various powered armors]], [[{{Determinator}} pure determination]], [[FictionFiveHundred and]] [[CrimefightingWithCash money]], [[AnthropicPrinciple lots of money]]. Despite all that, Gotham continually teeters on the edge of becoming a [[UrbanHellscape complete]] [[SoiledCityOnAHill waste]]. Gotham exists in the same universe as Franchise/{{Superman}}, [[StoryBreakerPower who easily has the power and motivations to end Gotham's corruption overnight]], but [[OutOfCharacter never bothers]] for [[StatusQuoIsGod some reason]].
** {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in the first ''JLA Classified'' story, which revealed the Batcave has a "sci-fi closet" full of rayguns, teleporters and antigrav discs. [[HoldingBackThePhlebotinum He just hates using it]]. By Creator/GrantMorrison, naturally.
** Batman has built PoweredArmor and [[EmpoweredBadassNormal acquired powers]] (like a GreenLanternRing in the {{Elseworld}}s story ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_In_Darkest_Knight Batman: In Darkest Knight]]''), which his human allies wield in spades, none of which ''ever'' lasts in his case. As Batman is only [[NotSoDifferent one hair away]] from being as nuts as his RoguesGallery, [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity having a bit of extra power in hand is generally portrayed as the corrupting influence]] to push him over the edge to WellIntentionedExtremist.
** By comparison, Batman has used PoweredArmor in stories that take place in the future (''Comicbook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'') where his armor is a contemporary innovation.
reason]]. The Batman Beyond armor was over 20 years old and thus dated (but still effective) by the time Terry [=McGinnis=] took up the role.
**
various... ''[[InsistentTerminology justifications]]...'' for Gotham's status as a [[CrapsackWorld hellhole]], Arkham Asylum as a CardboardPrison and the existence of JokerImmunity continued terrible condition have all been {{lampshade|Hanging}}d / {{Hand Wave}}d as due in part to a supernatural curse, which Batman's magical allies (Comicbook/{{Zatanna}}, Comicbook/TheSpectre) long since gone beyond [[IdiotPlot do not seem to know about, let alone consider removing]]. In one case it was even Etrigan sealing demons under Arkham fandom opinion]] and he never told Batman about it.
** Likewise, it is frequently established as the [[{{Dystopia}} most nightmarish city on Earth]], a metropolitan hellhole with a ridiculously high violent crime rate overrun by murderous psychopaths like ComicBook/TheJoker who terrify even the superpowered rogues of other cities, yet Supes and the rest of the demigodic heroes who could ''easily'' clean up the place and overpower pretty much all of those homicidal lunatics in seconds barely do any meaningful crime fighting when they visit. They actually show up quite frequently--they don't really [[InvertedTrope "stay out of Gotham"]]; it's just that on those occasions they tend to talk with Batman more than they actually ''help him out''.
** In the Franchise/{{Superman}} reboot launch miniseries ''Comicbook/TheManOfSteel'', Superman aids Batman with a criminal named Magpie. At the end, Batman says that Gotham requires a ''different'' touch than Superman's Metropolis.
** It doesn't necessarily work both ways, though: during '' Comicbook/TheDeathOfSuperman'' series, Batman patrolled Metropolis in the days during and after Superman's funeral. He even played by Superman's rules.
** During the ''[[Comicbook/BatmanNoMansLand No Man's Land]]'' BatFamilyCrossover, the government features a literal version when it cuts Gotham off from the rest of the USA and enacts legislation to prevent anyone (normal or superhero) from going in or out even to assist. This proves [[IdiotPlot remarkably effective]] given how many superheroes are aliens, or for whatever reason shouldn't care at all about the ruling:
*** Franchise/{{Superman}} travels to Gotham to deliver supplies and help set up a power plant to provide heat during the winter. The plan falls apart leading to Batman explaining how the city has changed and Superman realizes he's not up to the task of fixing Gotham and leaves. Similarly, the ComicBook/{{Huntress}} in a JLA storyline points out the League's refusal to assist Gotham and Superman replies her presence ''is'' the League's presence. Superman ''does'' return to No Man's Land... but only as Clark Kent. He still seeks to help, but as a normal man doing things like growing gardens for food. He even dirties up his appearance to make it look like he's been there all along, but Batman points out that his disguise is flawed (no one in Gotham has smelled like soap in ''months'').
*** In the League's own book, it was shown that, during "No Man's Land", they were keeping a slew of opportunists (Kobra's organization, evil Atlanteans, assorted alien armadas, etc.) from seizing Gotham for their own. This neatly balanced Superman Stays Out Of Gotham with "Brainiac Is ''Kept'' Out Of Gotham."
*** Jim Gordon revealed during the crossover that he cannot get a job in any police department outside of Gotham as no one wants a cop who needs an "urban legend" to do his policing for him, which Batman is considered despite being a known member of the ''[[Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica JLA]]'' and living in a universe with other cities that have local superheroes (he mentions [[Franchise/TheFlash Keystone City]] by name). The Keystone example is especially curious given they have been shown, in multiple storylines, to be nearly useless at dealing with the Rogues without the Flash around. Of course, they are the [[{{Pun}} Keystone Kops]].
** Barbara Gordon, formerly Comicbook/{{Batgirl}} until ComicBook/TheJoker [[Comicbook/TheKillingJoke put a bullet in her spine]], was [[StuffedIntoTheFridge rescued from the fridge]] and turned
into the [[MissionControl information-broker]] superhero Oracle. She became one realm of the DCU's most capable heroes and an iconic figure of an [[InspirationallyDisadvantaged effective disabled person]] yet did not regain the use of her legs despite the loads of [[AppliedPhlebotinum superpowers, magic & technology]] the DCU had to offer. In-universe, Barbara has justified refusing offers to insta-heal her spine as not wanting special treatment for being a superhero that [[ReedRichardsIsUseless a regular citizen wouldn't have access to]]. One offer came from Amanda Waller. Not trusting 'The Wall' [[VoodooShark utterly horrible excuses]], which is just logical. Using magic in the DCU? It's just ''begging'' for trouble. As of the Comicbook/{{New 52}} reboot, her back is fixed and [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl2011}} she's back to being Batgirl]], although she feels incredibly guilty about being given a cure that the average person doesn't have access to.
** In ''ComicBook/ElseworldsFinestSupergirlAndBatgirl'', ''Comicbook/{{Batgirl}}'' reinforces this: she banishes all parahumans from Gotham after closing the city off. However her ban is defied by ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'', who flies to Gotham to help whether Batgirl likes or not.
** "The Call," a short story in the ''Batman Black and White'' series, thoroughly discusses this trope. It's revealed that Batman carries a small communicator that can instantly summon Superman, but he
only uses it in extreme emergencies--in exacerbated by the context of the story, a young woman is shot in the throat by a mobster during a raid on a party, and Batman, who swears by ThouShaltNotKill, knows that he can't get her to a hospital in time. Superman makes short work of the healing process, but as he does, he talks with Bruce about the whole situation--the Dark Knight never calls the rest of the Justice League for help, for example. The two ultimately come to an understanding, pointing out that regardless of their methods of heroism, they both play a crucial role in protecting people, and that's what matters most.
** This whole situation was {{lampshade|Hanging}}d in an out of continuity story Creator/GailSimone did for ''Sensation Comics''. After Batman and his partners are temporarily sidelined, Franchise/WonderWoman comes to Gotham and not only makes a significant dent in its supervillain underworld, but even causes some of Batman's foes to reform in the process.
** Superman and Batman have both mentioned having a noted dislike for operating in each other's respective cities. Superman hates working in Gotham because it's so dark and dingy for the sun empowered hero, not to mention most of the buildings are lined with lead, blocking his X-ray vision, making him less effective than he could be. Batman hates working in Metropolis because everything is so brightly lit, making it difficult to hide and the buildings are spaced further apart preventing him from scaling them easily.
** During one very interesting conversation in ''Comicbook/{{Justice}}'', Batman observed with some admiration that the reason Superman publicly talks about having XRayVision and other SuperSenses is specifically because it serves notice on the criminals of Metropolis that the shadows cannot hide them from him. This contrasts the criminals of Gotham, where Batman has had to become a part of the night in order to chase down the criminals that use it as cover for their crimes.
*** In the {{Novelization}} of ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'', Wonder Woman addresses this as well, noting
fact that Superman could have been a MysteriousProtector, but instead flew around the city "like Apollo in the sky," partly ''[[InvertedTrope DOES]]'' go to inspire, but also let everyone know he was on watch.
** This was discussed in an issue of Comicbook/SupermanBatman, where it's explained that whenever Batman has business in Metropolis, Superman insists on keeping watch on Gotham City. The Dark Knight always makes sure
Gotham... [[IdiotBall only to return the favor for the Last Son of Krypton. Anyhow, Superman notes that Commissioner Gordon always seems happy to see him. Furthermore, they two have noted in the same issue that crime and trouble come in very different shapes in their two respective cities; with Gotham City, it's mostly about psychopaths like Joker, Zsasz, Firefly, Two-Face, and the rest robbing banks or blowing stuff up. Metropolis, on the other hand, is mainly endangered by the "sci-fi monsters rampaging down 2nd Avenue," or something to that effect.
** In a somewhat funny if grim aversion, during ''Battle For The Cowl'', where Batman is believed to be dead and the villains of Gotham are all rampaging, Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} runs around trying to deal with the problems and quickly decides 'Nope' and calls in 20-25 other superhero allies of his
do nothing to help him bring order back to Gotham. He probably remembers the ''last'' time [[ComicBook/{{Knightfall}} Batman tried to deal with that situation himself]].
** ''ComicBook/BatmanRebirth'' seems to be a {{Deconstruction}},
as Batman deals with two new flying heroes who state they'll be protecting Gotham, after saving a crashing plane and Bats' life. Bats' reaction? Incorporate them slowly into his fold, seeing what they can do and study their background. [[spoiler: He learns they're normal people who have a similar background to him, enough that he's pleased that advice long as he gave one as a boy has been taken to heart.]]
** In the ''DC Universe Holiday Special 2008: A Day Without Sirens'', a "Day Without Sirens"
is proposed right before Christmas. Commissioner Gordon believes such an initiative is doomed to failure. The criminals of Gotham would never heed such a calling. However, the day proceeds without police sirens. [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pScx8BN4h3s/SU-kKYaVUmI/AAAAAAAACGc/LKdSPl0ht34/s1600-h/holiday-09.jpg It turns out that]] Oracle teamed up with Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} and both girls handled covertly all emergency calls during that day. Supergirl ended up completely exhausted, though, making clear she cannot keep it up forever.
--->'''Oracle:''' Just rest easy knowing you did something special today.\\
'''Supergirl:''' You really think so? Do you think this one day is going to make a difference?\\
'''Oracle:''' I know so. Never discount the healing power of a little hope, Kara.
** There is another, more subtle reason that is danced around as well. Superman and other heroes understand that Batman needs to patrol Gotham for his own mental health. Batman ''needs'' to be a protector, and he can't be one if he's constantly being aided.
* Conversely, Batman stays out of Blüdhaven, which is his former protogee ComicBook/{{Nightwing}}'s patrol. Dick Grayson has a very different touch than Bruce's, and regardless, Bruce trusts Dick implicitly and doesn't presume to undermine or interfere with his life there.
* {{Averted}} in ''Comicbook/SuperPowers''--the first issue begins with Batman mysteriously missing (he'd been captured by Comicbook/{{Brainiac}}), so Superman stays to fight the rampaging supervillains while Wonder Woman goes into space to rescue him.
there]].
11th May '17 2:22:48 PM KaputExaltation
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** The Caped Crusader's hometown of Gotham City is the {{Trope Namer|s}}. It's [[WretchedHive a crime-ridden dystopia]] that's full of problems [[ViceCity from the ground up]]. Batman himself is the poster child for the [[BadassNormal badass normal]] who relies on "[[BlatantLies mundane means]]" to get the job done: [[TrainingFromHell mastering every Martial Art in the world]], [[BadassBookworm educating]] himself in [[OmnidisciplinaryScientist virtually every science known to man]], [[PoweredArmor various powered armors]] [[{{Determinator}} pure determination]], [[FictionFiveHundred and]] [[CrimefightingWithCash money]], [[AnthropicPrinciple lots of money]]. Despite all that, Gotham continually teeters on the edge of becoming a [[UrbanHellscape complete]] [[SoiledCityOnAHill waste]]. Gotham exists in the same universe as Franchise/{{Superman}}, [[StoryBreakerPower who easily has the power and motivations to end Gotham's corruption overnight]], but [[OutOfCharacter never bothers]] for [[StatusQuoIsGod some reason]].

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** The Caped Crusader's hometown of Gotham City is the {{Trope Namer|s}}. It's [[WretchedHive a crime-ridden dystopia]] that's full of problems [[ViceCity from the ground up]]. Batman himself is the poster child for the [[BadassNormal badass normal]] who relies on "[[BlatantLies mundane means]]" to get the job done: [[TrainingFromHell mastering every Martial Art in the world]], [[BadassBookworm educating]] himself in [[OmnidisciplinaryScientist virtually every science known to man]], [[PoweredArmor various powered armors]] armors]], [[{{Determinator}} pure determination]], [[FictionFiveHundred and]] [[CrimefightingWithCash money]], [[AnthropicPrinciple lots of money]]. Despite all that, Gotham continually teeters on the edge of becoming a [[UrbanHellscape complete]] [[SoiledCityOnAHill waste]]. Gotham exists in the same universe as Franchise/{{Superman}}, [[StoryBreakerPower who easily has the power and motivations to end Gotham's corruption overnight]], but [[OutOfCharacter never bothers]] for [[StatusQuoIsGod some reason]].
11th May '17 2:21:40 PM KaputExaltation
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11th May '17 1:36:27 PM lillolillo
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** The Caped Crusader's hometown of Gotham City is the {{Trope Namer|s}}. It's [[WretchedHive a crime-ridden dystopia]] that's full of problems [[ViceCity from the ground up]]. Batman himself is the poster child for the [[BadassNormal badass normal]] who relies on "[[BlatantLies mundane means]]" to get the job done: [[TrainingFromHell mastering every Martial Art in the world]], [[BadassBookworm educating]] himself in [[OmnidiciplinaryScientist virtually every science known to man]], [[PoweredArmor various powered armors]] [[{{Determinator}} pure determination]], [[FictionFiveHundred and]] [[CrimefightingWithCash money]], [[AnthropicPrinciple lots of money]]. Despite all that, Gotham continually teeters on the edge of becoming a [[UrbanHellscape complete]] [[SoiledCityOnAHill waste]]. Gotham exists in the same universe as Franchise/{{Superman}}, [[StoryBreakerPower who easily has the power and motivations to end Gotham's corruption overnight]], but [[OutOfCharacter never bothers]] for [[StatusQuoIsGod some reason]].

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** The Caped Crusader's hometown of Gotham City is the {{Trope Namer|s}}. It's [[WretchedHive a crime-ridden dystopia]] that's full of problems [[ViceCity from the ground up]]. Batman himself is the poster child for the [[BadassNormal badass normal]] who relies on "[[BlatantLies mundane means]]" to get the job done: [[TrainingFromHell mastering every Martial Art in the world]], [[BadassBookworm educating]] himself in [[OmnidiciplinaryScientist [[OmnidisciplinaryScientist virtually every science known to man]], [[PoweredArmor various powered armors]] [[{{Determinator}} pure determination]], [[FictionFiveHundred and]] [[CrimefightingWithCash money]], [[AnthropicPrinciple lots of money]]. Despite all that, Gotham continually teeters on the edge of becoming a [[UrbanHellscape complete]] [[SoiledCityOnAHill waste]]. Gotham exists in the same universe as Franchise/{{Superman}}, [[StoryBreakerPower who easily has the power and motivations to end Gotham's corruption overnight]], but [[OutOfCharacter never bothers]] for [[StatusQuoIsGod some reason]].
11th May '17 1:26:30 PM KaputExaltation
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** First off, the obvious: Franchise/{{Superman}} can't be everywhere at once. Every DC city has its own hero (say, Franchise/TheFlash has Central City, Franchise/GreenLantern has Coast City, and so on.)
** The Caped Crusader's hometown of Gotham City is the {{Trope Namer|s}}. The Dark Knight himself is the poster child for the down-to-Earth superhero: an [[BadassNormal ordinary man]] who relies on "mundane means": {{training|FromHell}}, [[BadassBookworm smarts]], [[TerrorHero a scary costume]] and [[{{Determinator}} pure determination]] to get the job done ([[FictionFiveHundred and]] [[CrimefightingWithCash money]], [[AnthropicPrinciple lots of money]]); he just wouldn't be Batman if he [[EmpoweredBadassNormal gained superpowers]] or called upon superpowered allies as a DeusExMachina to solve the pervasive risks of being a superhero. In universe, he comes across as being paranoid and mistrustful of metahuman heroes and AppliedPhlebotinum in general and his attitude towards other heroes so much as entering the city uninvited is an unequivocal [[LetsYouAndHimFight boot to the glutes]].
** {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in the first ''JLA Classified'' story, which revealed the Batcave has a "sci-fi closet" full of rayguns, teleporters and antigrav discs. He just hates using it. By Creator/GrantMorrison, naturally.

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** First off, the obvious: Franchise/{{Superman}} can't be everywhere at once. Every DC city has its own hero (say, Franchise/TheFlash has Central City, Franchise/GreenLantern has Coast City, and so on.)
** The Caped Crusader's hometown of Gotham City is the {{Trope Namer|s}}. The Dark Knight It's [[WretchedHive a crime-ridden dystopia]] that's full of problems [[ViceCity from the ground up]]. Batman himself is the poster child for the down-to-Earth superhero: an [[BadassNormal ordinary man]] badass normal]] who relies on "mundane means": {{training|FromHell}}, "[[BlatantLies mundane means]]" to get the job done: [[TrainingFromHell mastering every Martial Art in the world]], [[BadassBookworm smarts]], [[TerrorHero a scary costume]] and educating]] himself in [[OmnidiciplinaryScientist virtually every science known to man]], [[PoweredArmor various powered armors]] [[{{Determinator}} pure determination]] to get the job done ([[FictionFiveHundred determination]], [[FictionFiveHundred and]] [[CrimefightingWithCash money]], [[AnthropicPrinciple lots of money]]); he just wouldn't be Batman if he [[EmpoweredBadassNormal gained superpowers]] or called upon superpowered allies as a DeusExMachina to solve money]]. Despite all that, Gotham continually teeters on the pervasive risks edge of being becoming a superhero. In universe, he comes across [[UrbanHellscape complete]] [[SoiledCityOnAHill waste]]. Gotham exists in the same universe as being paranoid Franchise/{{Superman}}, [[StoryBreakerPower who easily has the power and mistrustful of metahuman heroes and AppliedPhlebotinum in general and his attitude towards other heroes so much as entering the city uninvited is an unequivocal [[LetsYouAndHimFight boot motivations to the glutes]].
end Gotham's corruption overnight]], but [[OutOfCharacter never bothers]] for [[StatusQuoIsGod some reason]].
** {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in the first ''JLA Classified'' story, which revealed the Batcave has a "sci-fi closet" full of rayguns, teleporters and antigrav discs. [[HoldingBackThePhlebotinum He just hates using it.it]]. By Creator/GrantMorrison, naturally.
28th Apr '17 7:25:27 PM LinTaylor
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* ''Franchise/KamenRider'' also has this problem, but it gets thrown into sharper relief by the crossovers that happen. Every Showa-era series has a point where some (or ''all'') of the past Riders show up and help the current hero fight his enemies. The Heisei era handled this by seemingly putting every series into its own continuity, but the "Phase 2" era (2010 onwards) brings back the old issues with the annual ''Movie Wars'' crossovers. Only rarely does this get addressed, with one example being ''KamenRiderXKamenRiderGhostAndDriveSuperMovieWarGenesis'', where [[Series/KamenRiderDrive Shinnosuke]] (who already has his responsibilities as a police officer) tells [[Series/KamenRiderGhost Takeru]] "I'll leave the Ganma to you." -- [[spoiler:and on top of that the Drive gear got sealed away at the end of the series, meaning he couldn't help even if he wanted.]]



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