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19th Feb '17 6:38:15 AM AnotherGuy
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* Conversely, Batman stays out of Blüdhaven, which is his former protogee ComicBook/{{Nightwing}}'s patrol. Dick Grayson has a very different touch than Bruce's, and regardless, Bruce trusts Dick implicitly and doesn't presume to undermine or interfere with his life there.
19th Feb '17 6:34:02 AM AnotherGuy
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** There is another, more subtle reason that is danced around as well. Superman and other heroes understand that Batman needs to patrol Gotham for his own mental health. Batman ''needs'' to be a protector, and he can't be one if he's constantly being aided.


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** In that episode, Supergirl also notes a practical reason: villains will start to think she's an easy target and plague National City if she needs Superman to help her on every problem.
10th Feb '17 9:39:23 AM Lloigor
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* Most heroes in the Franchise/MarvelUniverse are based in New York City, so they can't be accused of "staying out of Gotham". Yet although it is the base and home of ComicBook/TheAvengers, ComicBook/DoctorStrange, The ComicBook/FantasticFour, The ComicBook/XMen[[note]]Westchester, NY[[/note]] and various other immensely powerful superhumans and superteams, it's usually left up to Franchise/SpiderMan, Comicbook/{{Daredevil}} and various other "street-level" heroes to sort out the city's superhuman crime wave. While they do cross over more frequently than DC's heroes, and RoguesGalleryTransplant is a little more common, it's amazing how many times ComicBook/DoctorOctopus or the Rhino can go on a rampage or normal crooks can rob a bank and end up running into Spider-Man instead of, say, The Thing, or even a BadassNormal like Comicbook/CaptainAmerica. Even considering that they are often on adventures to another country or battling aliens in a different dimension, you'd think that with how easily the Web Slinger and others come across serious criminal activities they should run into this kind of thing every other day. It could be argued that Spider-Man is the main adversary for New York's crime because [[ComesGreatResponsibility he is always on duty, 24/7]]. New York is the other heroes' main base, but they take time off, get fringe benefits, and are often off fighting threats on a larger scale. Spider-Man, and to a lesser extent Comicbook/Daredevil, are the heroes charged with guarding New York itself.

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* Most heroes in the Franchise/MarvelUniverse are based in New York City, so they can't be accused of "staying out of Gotham". Yet although it is the base and home of ComicBook/TheAvengers, ComicBook/DoctorStrange, The ComicBook/FantasticFour, The ComicBook/XMen[[note]]Westchester, NY[[/note]] and various other immensely powerful superhumans and superteams, it's usually left up to Franchise/SpiderMan, Comicbook/{{Daredevil}} and various other "street-level" heroes to sort out the city's superhuman crime wave. While they do cross over more frequently than DC's heroes, and RoguesGalleryTransplant is a little more common, it's amazing how many times ComicBook/DoctorOctopus or the Rhino can go on a rampage or normal crooks can rob a bank and end up running into Spider-Man instead of, say, The Thing, or even a BadassNormal like Comicbook/CaptainAmerica. Even considering that they are often on adventures to another country or battling aliens in a different dimension, you'd think that with how easily the Web Slinger and others come across serious criminal activities they should run into this kind of thing every other day. It could be argued that Spider-Man is the main adversary for New York's crime because [[ComesGreatResponsibility he is always on duty, 24/7]]. New York is the other heroes' main base, but they take time off, get fringe benefits, and are often off fighting threats on a larger scale. Spider-Man, and to a lesser extent Comicbook/Daredevil, Daredevil, are the heroes charged with guarding New York itself.
10th Feb '17 9:38:55 AM Lloigor
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* Most heroes in the Franchise/MarvelUniverse are based in New York City, so they can't be accused of "staying out of Gotham". Yet although it is the base and home of ComicBook/TheAvengers, ComicBook/DoctorStrange, The ComicBook/FantasticFour, The ComicBook/XMen[[note]]Westchester, NY[[/note]] and various other immensely powerful superhumans and superteams, it's usually left up to Franchise/SpiderMan, Comicbook/{{Daredevil}} and various other "street-level" heroes to sort out the city's superhuman crime wave. While they do cross over more frequently than DC's heroes, and RoguesGalleryTransplant is a little more common, it's amazing how many times ComicBook/DoctorOctopus or the Rhino can go on a rampage or normal crooks can rob a bank and end up running into Spider-Man instead of, say, The Thing, or even a BadassNormal like Comicbook/CaptainAmerica. Even considering that they are often on adventures to another country or battling aliens in a different dimension, you'd think that with how easily the Web Slinger and others come across serious criminal activities they should run into this kind of thing every other day. It could be argued that Spider-Man is the main adversary for New York's crime because [[ComesGreatResponsibility he is always on duty, 24/7]]. New York is the other heroes' main base, but they take time off, get fringe benefits, and are often off fighting threats on a larger scale. Spider-Man, and to a lesser extent Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}, are the heroes charged with guarding New York itself.

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* Most heroes in the Franchise/MarvelUniverse are based in New York City, so they can't be accused of "staying out of Gotham". Yet although it is the base and home of ComicBook/TheAvengers, ComicBook/DoctorStrange, The ComicBook/FantasticFour, The ComicBook/XMen[[note]]Westchester, NY[[/note]] and various other immensely powerful superhumans and superteams, it's usually left up to Franchise/SpiderMan, Comicbook/{{Daredevil}} and various other "street-level" heroes to sort out the city's superhuman crime wave. While they do cross over more frequently than DC's heroes, and RoguesGalleryTransplant is a little more common, it's amazing how many times ComicBook/DoctorOctopus or the Rhino can go on a rampage or normal crooks can rob a bank and end up running into Spider-Man instead of, say, The Thing, or even a BadassNormal like Comicbook/CaptainAmerica. Even considering that they are often on adventures to another country or battling aliens in a different dimension, you'd think that with how easily the Web Slinger and others come across serious criminal activities they should run into this kind of thing every other day. It could be argued that Spider-Man is the main adversary for New York's crime because [[ComesGreatResponsibility he is always on duty, 24/7]]. New York is the other heroes' main base, but they take time off, get fringe benefits, and are often off fighting threats on a larger scale. Spider-Man, and to a lesser extent Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}, Comicbook/Daredevil, are the heroes charged with guarding New York itself.
26th Jan '17 9:34:47 PM Menarker
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** Superman and Batman have both mentioned having a noted dislike for operating in each other's respective cities. Superman hates working in Gotham because it's so dark and dingy, not to mention most of the buildings are lined with lead, blocking his X-ray vision, making him less effective than he could be. Batman hates working in Metropolis because everything is so brightly lit, making it difficult to hide and the buildings are spaced further apart preventing him from scaling them easily.

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** Superman and Batman have both mentioned having a noted dislike for operating in each other's respective cities. Superman hates working in Gotham because it's so dark and dingy, dingy for the sun empowered hero, not to mention most of the buildings are lined with lead, blocking his X-ray vision, making him less effective than he could be. Batman hates working in Metropolis because everything is so brightly lit, making it difficult to hide and the buildings are spaced further apart preventing him from scaling them easily.
24th Jan '17 5:58:20 AM C2
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* ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb Save Summer'' features the entire world being put in peril of a new ice age. Earlier, [[WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerbMissionMarvel the Avengers]] and WesternAnimation/KimPossible appeared in the show showing they are part of a SharedUniverse. This was an incident that involved the entire world that everyone knew about so these other characters couldn't be accused of staying out of Danville.

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* ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb Save Summer'' features the entire world being put in peril of a new ice age. Earlier, [[WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerbMissionMarvel the Avengers]] and WesternAnimation/KimPossible appeared in the show showing they are part of a SharedUniverse. This was an incident that involved the entire world that everyone knew about so these other characters they couldn't be accused of staying out of Danville.
17th Jan '17 7:35:25 PM dracogeorge
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** Rainbow is a secret international counter-terrorist unit that answers to multiple governments [[note]] in the books, it was primarily NATO and some allies that ran it, though their first deployment was to Switzerland. Also, they usually acted more like a SWAT team, doing recon, planning, then taking the bad guys down in a swift assault that usually lasted a few seconds. They never really acted like they do in the newer games, with a few exceptions.[[/note]]. Third Echelon is an NSA black-ops program. The idea is that various governments can call Rainbow in to respond to terror attacks, while Third Echelon only answers to and works for the US government, and usually takes a more proactive approach.
11th Jan '17 7:26:50 PM KrspaceT
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** ''ComicBook/UncannyAvengers'' is built around breaking down this trope. After admitting that the Avengers never did much to help the mutant race, Comicbook/CaptainAmerica decides to form a new mutant-centric team of heroes in order to convince humans and mutants to get along.

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** ''ComicBook/UncannyAvengers'' is built around breaking down this trope.trope while also giving it more reasons as to why it exists in the first place. After admitting that the Avengers never did much to help the mutant race, Comicbook/CaptainAmerica decides to form a new mutant-centric team of heroes in order to convince humans and mutants to get along. Problem is the two groups have different dynamics and styles of command, and they clash. Frequently. In the end the series shows at several points that the trope 'Superman Stays Out of Gotham' could also be called "Superman Stays Out of Gotham Because He and Batman Operate Very Differently and Their Arguments Can Lead to Bad Things'. Both groups are made up of good people true, but they don't mesh as well as a pure team of Avengers or a pure team of X-Men.
*** Part of the problem also originates from the membership choices. The original team had a designated leader in the mutant Havok, but Cap joining the team to inspire by example creates serious leadership confusion that often divides the team by group origins. Also the recruitment of Scarlet Witch to the team led to several clashes with the mutant members who still blame her for House of M. While the membership was partially influenced by who they could round up during the Red Skull's plans and later by monetary and PR necessity, one can't help but wonder if the team would have had more success with a more precise and careful recruitment method that avoided conflicts of command and flare ups of old grudges.
9th Jan '17 10:11:38 PM jormis29
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** ''Batman: Rebirth'' seems to be a {{Deconstruction}}, as Batman deals with two new flying heroes who state they'll be protecting Gotham, after saving a crashing plane and Bats' life. Bats' reaction? Incorporate them slowly into his fold, seeing what they can do and study their background. [[spoiler: He learns they're normal people who have a similar background to him, enough that he's pleased that advice he gave one as a boy has been taken to heart.]]

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** ''Batman: Rebirth'' ''ComicBook/BatmanRebirth'' seems to be a {{Deconstruction}}, as Batman deals with two new flying heroes who state they'll be protecting Gotham, after saving a crashing plane and Bats' life. Bats' reaction? Incorporate them slowly into his fold, seeing what they can do and study their background. [[spoiler: He learns they're normal people who have a similar background to him, enough that he's pleased that advice he gave one as a boy has been taken to heart.]]
3rd Jan '17 5:13:58 PM Lloigor
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*** In the ''Batman/Punisher'' crossovers, Frank gets annoyed at Gotham and leaves so he can deal with his ''own'' scum, without Batman's interference (namely, that whole ThouShaltNotKill attitude by Bats, who proves he's more than capable of handling him.)

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*** In the ''Batman/Punisher'' crossovers, Frank gets annoyed at Gotham and leaves so he can deal with his ''own'' scum, without Batman's interference (namely, that whole ThouShaltNotKill attitude by Bats, who proves he's more than capable of handling him.)him).
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