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10th Nov '17 6:41:51 AM ChronoLegion
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* Touched on in the crossover episodes of ''Series/TheFlash2014'' and ''Series/{{Arrow}}''; The Flash's superspeed would make cleaning up a lot of Starling City's issues easier, but Barry doesn't have the tactical awareness that Ollie does; the latter fights the former to a draw with no powers and sticks him with an ambush arrow on two occasions when Barry thinks he's got the upper hand. Star City's the city's villains are usually more violent. Barry disagrees with Oliver's more gray-zone morality when it comes to fighting Starling's darker criminals. "Flash vs. Arrow" makes clear that the CCPD find The Arrow an unwelcome presence due to his vigilante killings in season 1, and Oliver has real trouble facing people with superpowers (not to mention a pissed-off gorilla with PsychicPowers). That said, when Barry has his BigDamnHeroes moment in Season 3 finale, the entire League of Assassins is shown to be hopelessly outclassed by a single speedster, especially since they have no idea he's coming. Additionally, it's confirmed that Bruce Wayne exists in Arrowverse, and yet we've yet to either see or hear about ComicBook/{{Batman}}.

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* Touched on in the crossover episodes of ''Series/TheFlash2014'' and ''Series/{{Arrow}}''; The Flash's superspeed would make cleaning up a lot of Starling City's issues easier, but Barry doesn't have the tactical awareness that Ollie does; the latter fights the former to a draw with no powers and sticks him with an ambush arrow on two occasions when Barry thinks he's got the upper hand. Star City's the city's villains are usually more violent. Barry disagrees with Oliver's more gray-zone morality when it comes to fighting Starling's darker criminals. "Flash vs. Arrow" makes clear that the CCPD find The Arrow an unwelcome presence due to his vigilante killings in season 1, and Oliver has real trouble facing people with superpowers (not to mention a pissed-off gorilla with PsychicPowers). That said, when Barry has his BigDamnHeroes moment in Season 3 finale, the entire League of Assassins is shown to be hopelessly outclassed by a single speedster, especially since they have no idea he's coming. Additionally, it's confirmed that Bruce Wayne exists in Arrowverse, and yet we've yet to either see or hear about ComicBook/{{Batman}}. The trope is averted in major crossovers, such as the "Invasion!" arc, when it's "all hands on deck" in order to stop an AlienInvasion, requiring Team Arrow, Team Flash, the [[Series/LegendsOfTomorrow Legends]], and Series/{{Supergirl}} to work together.
10th Nov '17 6:39:36 AM ChronoLegion
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* Touched on in the crossover episodes of ''Series/TheFlash2014'' and ''Series/{{Arrow}}''; The Flash's superspeed would make cleaning up a lot of Starling City's issues easier, but Barry doesn't have the tactical awareness that Ollie does; the latter fights the former to a draw with no powers and sticks him with an ambush arrow on two occasions when Barry thinks he's got the upper hand. Star City's the city's villains are usually more violent. Barry disagrees with Oliver's more gray-zone morality when it comes to fighting Starling's darker criminals. "Flash vs. Arrow" makes clear that the CCPD find The Arrow an unwelcome presence due to his vigilante killings in season 1, and Oliver has real trouble facing people with superpowers (not to mention a pissed-off gorilla with PsychicPowers). That said, when Barry has his BigDamnHeroes moment in Season 3 finale, the entire League of Assassins is shown to be hopelessly outclassed by a single speedster, especially since they have no idea he's coming.

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* Touched on in the crossover episodes of ''Series/TheFlash2014'' and ''Series/{{Arrow}}''; The Flash's superspeed would make cleaning up a lot of Starling City's issues easier, but Barry doesn't have the tactical awareness that Ollie does; the latter fights the former to a draw with no powers and sticks him with an ambush arrow on two occasions when Barry thinks he's got the upper hand. Star City's the city's villains are usually more violent. Barry disagrees with Oliver's more gray-zone morality when it comes to fighting Starling's darker criminals. "Flash vs. Arrow" makes clear that the CCPD find The Arrow an unwelcome presence due to his vigilante killings in season 1, and Oliver has real trouble facing people with superpowers (not to mention a pissed-off gorilla with PsychicPowers). That said, when Barry has his BigDamnHeroes moment in Season 3 finale, the entire League of Assassins is shown to be hopelessly outclassed by a single speedster, especially since they have no idea he's coming. Additionally, it's confirmed that Bruce Wayne exists in Arrowverse, and yet we've yet to either see or hear about ComicBook/{{Batman}}.



* ''Series/{{Supergirl 2015}}'' addresses this as Kara's desire to strike out on her own as a superhero in the world, so she defends National City while Clark stays in Metropolis. When James Olsen has to call Superman to save Supergirl from dying to an attack from Reactron, Kara and James have an argument about whether or not he should have called Superman at all. At the end of the episode even James admits that he moved to National City to become his own man and not remain "Jimmy" forever. In that episode, Supergirl also notes a practical reason: villains will start to think she's an easy target and plague National City if she needs Superman to help her on every problem.

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* ''Series/{{Supergirl 2015}}'' addresses this as Kara's desire to strike out on her own as a superhero in the world, so she defends National City while Clark stays in Metropolis. When James Olsen has to call Superman to save Supergirl from dying to an attack from Reactron, Kara and James have an argument about whether or not he should have called Superman at all. At the end of the episode even James admits that he moved to National City to become his own man and not remain "Jimmy" forever. In that episode, Supergirl also notes a practical reason: villains will start to think she's an easy target and plague National City if she needs Superman to help her on every problem. Superman finally makes an appearance, when both Kryptonians have to stop a falling space shuttle. Clark then stays in National City for a few days, but it's revealed that he refuses to work with DEO because they keep kryptonite in storage. Near the end of Season 2, everyone wonders where Superman is, considering that Earth is the middle of an AlienInvasion. [[spoiler:Clark did show up, but he was mind-controlled by Queen Rhea of Daxam into fighting Kara, resulting in Kara proving herself to be the stronger cousin. Clark then comes up with a way for Kara to beat Rhea with a CombatByChampion]].
10th Nov '17 6:32:57 AM ChronoLegion
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* Touched on in the crossover episodes of ''Series/TheFlash2014'' and ''Series/{{Arrow}}''; The Flash's superspeed would make cleaning up a lot of Starling City's issues easier, but Barry doesn't have the tactical awareness that Ollie does; the latter fights the former to a draw with no powers and sticks him with an ambush arrow on two occasions when Barry thinks he's got the upper hand. Star City's the city's villains are usually more violent. Barry disagrees with Oliver's more gray-zone morality when it comes to fighting Starling's darker criminals. "Flash vs. Arrow" makes clear that the CCPD find The Arrow an unwelcome presence due to his vigilante killings in season 1, and Oliver has real trouble facing people with superpowers (not to mention a pissed-off gorilla with PsychicPowers).

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* Touched on in the crossover episodes of ''Series/TheFlash2014'' and ''Series/{{Arrow}}''; The Flash's superspeed would make cleaning up a lot of Starling City's issues easier, but Barry doesn't have the tactical awareness that Ollie does; the latter fights the former to a draw with no powers and sticks him with an ambush arrow on two occasions when Barry thinks he's got the upper hand. Star City's the city's villains are usually more violent. Barry disagrees with Oliver's more gray-zone morality when it comes to fighting Starling's darker criminals. "Flash vs. Arrow" makes clear that the CCPD find The Arrow an unwelcome presence due to his vigilante killings in season 1, and Oliver has real trouble facing people with superpowers (not to mention a pissed-off gorilla with PsychicPowers). That said, when Barry has his BigDamnHeroes moment in Season 3 finale, the entire League of Assassins is shown to be hopelessly outclassed by a single speedster, especially since they have no idea he's coming.
7th Nov '17 7:08:35 PM 64SuperNintendo
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** Barbara Gordon, formerly Comicbook/{{Batgirl}} until ComicBook/TheJoker [[Comicbook/TheKillingJoke put a bullet in her spine]], was [[StuffedIntoTheFridge rescued from the fridge]] and turned into the [[MissionControl information-broker]] superhero Oracle. She became one of the DCU's most capable heroes and an iconic figure of an [[InspirationallyDisadvantaged effective disabled person]] yet did not regain the use of her legs despite the loads of [[AppliedPhlebotinum superpowers, magic & technology]] the DCU had to offer. In-universe, Barbara has justified refusing offers to insta-heal her spine as not wanting special treatment for being a superhero that [[ReedRichardsIsUseless a regular citizen wouldn't have access to]]. One offer came from Amanda Waller. Not trusting 'The Wall' is just logical. Using magic in the DCU? It's just ''begging'' for trouble. As of the Comicbook/{{New 52}} reboot, her back is fixed and [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl2011}} she's back to being Batgirl]], although she feels incredibly guilty about being given a cure that the average person doesn't have access to.

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** Barbara Gordon, formerly Comicbook/{{Batgirl}} until ComicBook/TheJoker [[Comicbook/TheKillingJoke put a bullet in her spine]], was [[StuffedIntoTheFridge rescued from the fridge]] and turned into the [[MissionControl information-broker]] superhero Oracle. She became one of the DCU's most capable heroes and an iconic figure of an [[InspirationallyDisadvantaged effective disabled person]] yet did not regain the use of her legs despite the loads of [[AppliedPhlebotinum superpowers, magic & and technology]] the DCU had to offer. In-universe, Barbara has justified refusing offers to insta-heal her spine as not wanting special treatment for being a superhero that [[ReedRichardsIsUseless a regular citizen wouldn't have access to]]. One offer came from Amanda Waller. Not trusting 'The Wall' is just logical. Using magic in the DCU? It's just ''begging'' for trouble. As of the Comicbook/{{New 52}} reboot, her back is fixed and [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl2011}} she's back to being Batgirl]], although she feels incredibly guilty about being given a cure that the average person doesn't have access to.
20th Sep '17 12:51:02 PM BeerBaron
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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series, the Fighters Guild, an organization of "[[HiredGuns warriors-for-hire]]" that operates throughout most of Tamriel, does not have a presence in Skyrim. Instead, Skyrim is served in a similar capacity by the Companions, a group who traces their origins back to the original [[BadassArmy 500 Companions]] of [[FounderOfTheKingdom Ysgramor]].
17th Sep '17 3:14:03 AM lillolillo
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** Sarah asks Matt [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything where he was during "The Incident"]], and if he had started his Daredevil career at that point.
-->'''Matt Murdock:''' No. Not until…a little over a year later, I guess. Aliens are a little out of my wheelhouse, anyway. I was at this law firm that Foggy and I used to intern for and they put the whole place on lockdown. No one in, no one out. But especially no one in. Landman and Zack at its best.

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** Sarah asks Matt [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything where he was during "The Incident"]], Incident", and if he had started his Daredevil career at that point.
-->'''Matt --->'''Matt Murdock:''' No. Not until…a until… a little over a year later, I guess. Aliens are a little out of my wheelhouse, anyway. I was at this law firm that Foggy and I used to intern for and they put the whole place on lockdown. No one in, no one out. But especially no one in. Landman and Zack at its best.



-->'''Matt Murdock:''' ''[laughs]'' I think stopping muggers and crashing arms deals might be a little small time for them.
-->'''Sarah Corrigan:''' Small time is important, too. I mean, saving the world is great and all—I'm way glad someone does it. But if the world ends…well, that's it, right? We'd all be dead, so we won't be around to care. The day-to-day stuff in between massive alien invasions…that's what people need more help dealing with. No offense to the Avengers, though. Lauren adores them. So does my dad.

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-->'''Matt --->'''Matt Murdock:''' ''[laughs]'' I think stopping muggers and crashing arms deals might be a little small time for them.
-->'''Sarah
them.\\
'''Sarah
Corrigan:''' Small time is important, too. I mean, saving the world is great and all—I'm way glad someone does it. But if the world ends…well, that's it, right? We'd all be dead, so we won't be around to care. The day-to-day stuff in between massive alien invasions…that's invasions… that's what people need more help dealing with. No offense to the Avengers, though. Lauren adores them. So does my dad.dad.
* In ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer''/''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'' crossover ''Fanfic/TheVampireOfSteel'' this is brought up several times:
** When Kara figures out what is going on Sunnydale she wants to call the Justice League and stomp the place flat. Buffy pleads with her to not do it because people are better off not knowing vampires are real.
** In the aftermath of the battle, Buffy asks Supergirl to leave and trust the Gang to handle Sunnydale.
--->'''Kara:''' Then, what am I supposed to do? Just go, and pretend that none of this exists?\\
'''Buffy:''' No. You’re supposed to go, and leave it to us. We’re the trained professionals in this thing. We know what to do, Kara. Just like... and, well, you know I hate to bring this up... just like when I was in your body. I don’t know that much about super-heroing, but I’ll bet that Batman doesn’t call you up every time the Joker and he have a throwdown. You all have your spheres of influence. So do we. That’s why we’re here, Kara... and that’s why you’re there.
8th Sep '17 5:04:10 PM KrspaceT
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* Creator/RickRiordan, author of ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' and ''Literature/TheKaneChronicles'', writes stories where the Greek, Roman, Egyptian and Norse gods run around in the modern world, with all their classical bad guys also around and doing horrific things such as [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking turning random people to stone to sell as lawn decorations, blowing up Elvis's home and creating more chain restaurants]], let alone the various attempts of creating ApocalypseHow as soon as possible. Yet you never see the Egyptians deal with Titan uprisings, or the Demigods reacting to the very real threat of the sun being eaten. True, the pantheons do try to stay apart due to the many comments that the meeting of god pantheons creates wars. And true the Greek and Roman demigods did, indirectly, work together against the titans, but that was more a coincidence, as oppose to a Superman and Batman vs General Zod thing. Though the new "Heroes of Olympus" series has the Greek and Roman elements working together directly. And a line mentioning a mysterious source of magic on Long Island seems to indicate the Kanes and their band of Egyptian magicians may also get involved. There is a short story titled ''The Son of Sobek'' which features Percy and Carter. After [[LetsYouAndHimFight nearly killing each other]], they team up to take on a monster crocodile. It's implied that there are forces at work to keep the Greek and Egyptian pantheons separate, and that someone had engineered their meeting in hopes of it ending violently between the two. Later confirmed, except on the last point. Apparently, it was for research.

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* Creator/RickRiordan, author of ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' and ''Literature/TheKaneChronicles'', writes stories where the Greek, Roman, Egyptian and Norse gods run around in the modern world, with all their classical bad guys also around and doing horrific things such as [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking turning random people to stone to sell as lawn decorations, blowing up Elvis's home home, and creating more chain restaurants]], let alone the various attempts of creating ApocalypseHow as soon as possible. Yet you never see the Egyptians deal with Titan uprisings, or the Demigods reacting to the very real threat of the sun being eaten. True, the pantheons do try to stay apart due to the many comments that the meeting of god pantheons creates wars. And true the Greek and Roman demigods did, indirectly, work together against the titans, but that was more a coincidence, as oppose to a Superman and Batman vs General Zod thing. Though the new "Heroes of Olympus" series has the Greek and Roman elements working together directly. And a line mentioning a mysterious source of magic on Long Island seems to indicate directly, and the Kanes and their band Trials of Egyptian magicians may also get involved.Apollo series continues a lack of barrier between the two beyond simple space. There is a short story titled ''The Son of Sobek'' which features Percy and Carter. After [[LetsYouAndHimFight nearly killing each other]], they team up to take on a monster crocodile. It's implied that there are forces at work to keep the Greek and Egyptian pantheons separate, and that someone had engineered their meeting in hopes of it ending violently between the two. Later confirmed, except on the last point. Apparently, it was for research.research, and it led to two more team ups.
** A slight justification, similar to the Superhero examples, is the aspect of space. While why the Divine aspects don't interact more is still up in the air, a lot of the heroes in play are often working in very different areas from each other and don't have the free time to randomly go looking for trouble. Percy Jackson and Magnus Chase don't have cars or the spare change to randomly to Boston and New York City respectively, and the Romans exist out around San Francisco. While the main Egyptian characters exist in New York City, they are often out in different parts of the world that don't tend to be the same parts Percy and company will go to (The Demigods travels brought them to Quebec, Chicago, San Francisco, British Columbia, the Rockies, Seattle, Alaska, Kansas, the middle of the Atlantic, Gilbraltar, Rome, Croatia, and Greece, while the Magicians went to London, Brooklyn, Egypt, France, Memphis Tn, New Mexico, Phoenix, St. Petersburg, and Texas). The Norse characters have this even more so by often interacting with the other 9 realms like Alfheim that the Greeks and Egyptians likely do not even know how to get to. While contact between the groups does increase over time, with Annabeth meeting with Magnus, the actions and decisions of the characters means they often aren't able to get involved if they wanted to (with Percy Jackson for example spending not insignificant periods of time around the time of the Egyptian series either hidden by Hera, without his memories, or in Tartarus, while during the Norse series Percy isn't as active due to trying to live his normal life for a spell.)
4th Sep '17 1:01:48 AM Darth_Marth
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** ''Film/ManOfSteel'' retroactively runs into this problem when later films reveal that both Batman and Wonder Woman would have been on Earth and active as superheroes during Zod's invasion. With Batman it's somewhat justified, as without any of his tech that allowed him to go toe-to-toe with Superman in the sequel, he likely couldn't have done anything anyway. No word on why Wonder Woman didn't try to help, though.
3rd Sep '17 1:40:00 PM Omeganian
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*** Franchise/{{Superman}} travels to Gotham to deliver supplies and help set up a power plant to provide heat during the winter. The plan falls apart leading to Batman explaining how the city has changed and Superman realizes he's not up to the task of fixing Gotham and leaves. Similarly, the ComicBook/{{Huntress}} in a JLA storyline points out the League's refusal to assist Gotham and Superman replies her presence ''is'' the League's presence. Superman ''does'' return to No Man's Land... but only as Clark Kent. He still seeks to help, but as a normal man doing things like growing gardens for food. He even dirties up his appearance to make it look like he's been there all along, but Batman points out that his disguise is flawed (no one in Gotham has smelled like soap in ''months'').

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*** Franchise/{{Superman}} travels to Gotham to deliver supplies and help set up a power plant to provide heat during the winter. The plan falls apart leading to Batman explaining how the city has changed and Superman realizes he's not up to the task of fixing Gotham and leaves. Similarly, the ComicBook/{{Huntress}} in a JLA storyline points out the League's refusal to assist Gotham and Superman replies her presence ''is'' the League's presence. Superman ''does'' return to No Man's Land... but only as Clark Kent. He still seeks to help, but as a normal man doing things like growing gardens for food. He even dirties up his appearance to make it look like he's been there all along, but along. While Batman points out that his disguise is flawed (no one in Gotham has smelled like soap in ''months'').''months''), he admits it's fine for the people Clark intends to be among.
26th Aug '17 8:20:55 PM azbyc15243
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* Downplayed and generally justified in ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex''. Touma has a number of allies who also live in Academy City and who could easily curb-stomp most of his opponents (e.g. [[ShockAndAwe Mikoto]] and [[AttackReflector Accelerator]]). They do work together on many occasions, but there are still plenty of instances where this doesn't happen. It's justified by the fact that Touma's allies all have lives and adventures of their own (as shown in [[Manga/ACertainScientificRailgun the]] [[Manga/ACertainScientificAccelerator spinoffs]]).
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