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15th Apr '18 3:19:30 PM BattleMaster
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* Winston Churchill accuses Neville Chamberlain and Lord Hallifax of this in ''Film/DarkestHour'', over their insistence of trying to negotiate peace with the Nazis.
-->'''Winston Churchill''': When will the lesson be learned?! You cannot reason with a tiger WHEN YOUR HEAD IS IN ITS MOUTH!!
12th Mar '18 7:51:31 AM matruz
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* In ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'', it's revealed that the King who built the Three Walls believed that humanity was sinful and thus deserved their fate to be confined in the territory surrounded by those Walls, [[spoiler: he was in reality Karl Fritz, the 145th King of the Eldians, who lamented the suffering the Eldian Empire had inflicted upon the world, and thus adopted a pacifist policy upon his subjects and successors called "The Will of the First King", in which he would never retaliate against ''any'' aggression from the outside, even if it would mean the complete destruction of his people]].

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* In ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'', it's revealed that the King who built the Three Walls believed that humanity was sinful and thus deserved their fate to be confined in the territory surrounded by those Walls, [[spoiler: he was in reality Karl Fritz, the 145th King of the Eldians, who lamented the suffering the Eldian Empire had inflicted upon the world, world]], and thus adopted a pacifist policy upon his subjects and successors called "The Will of the First King", in which he would never retaliate against ''any'' aggression from the outside, even if it would mean the complete destruction of his people]].
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12th Mar '18 6:58:13 AM matruz
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* In ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'', it's revealed that the King who built the Three Walls believed that humanity was sinful and thus deserved their fate to be confined in the territory surrounded by those Walls, [[spoiler: he was in reality Karl Fritz, the 145th King of the Eldians, who lamented the suffering the Eldian Empire had inflicted upon the world, and thus adopted a pacifist policy upon his subjects and successors called "The Will of the First King", in which he would never retaliate against ''any'' aggression from the outside, even if it would mean the complete destruction of his people]].
21st Jan '18 7:34:06 PM Fireblood
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* ''Literature/TheSilerianTrilogy'': The Beyar-Olvari, who are an extremely fragile, peaceful species and can't even bear the ''mention'' of violent acts, let alone do any themselves, manifest this. It seems this is their inherent nature, so they can't change that. Rather than fight, some manage to survive by hiding underground from the encroaching humans.
20th Oct '17 6:48:58 AM DarkHunter
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* The Nox of ''Series/StargateSG1'' are a subversion. They appear to have all the trappings of the trope, refusing even to fight the Goa'uld... until it's revealed that their technology is so far beyond that of the Goa'uld that they aren't really a threat, and their powers of invisibility and healing provide them with plenty of non-violent ways of keeping themselves alive. Later episodes show more nuance, such as [[spoiler: hiding a weapon on behalf of someone else so ''they'' can use it if they are attacked]].

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* The Nox of ''Series/StargateSG1'' are a subversion. They appear to have all the trappings of the trope, refusing even to fight the Goa'uld... until it's revealed that their technology is so far beyond that of the Goa'uld that they aren't really a threat, and their powers of invisibility and healing provide them with plenty of non-violent ways of keeping themselves alive. Later episodes show more nuance, such as [[spoiler: hiding a weapon on behalf of someone else so ''they'' can use it if they are attacked]]. attacked.
-->'''Lya''': I only hid the weapon. I did not fire it.\\
'''Carter''': Ah. Pretty fine line you didn't cross there.\\
'''Lya''': ''[uncomfortably]'' Yes... it is.
20th Oct '17 6:45:36 AM DarkHunter
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* Reiji of ''Manga/RebirthTheLunaticTaker''.
* The Sanc Kingdom of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing''. Its ruler was an ActualPacifist, but the country was crushed by the Earth Sphere Alliance. Interestingly, the narrative shows that Actual Pacifism was a noble goal and the best path, but the world wasn't ready for it.

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* %%* Reiji of ''Manga/RebirthTheLunaticTaker''.
* The Sanc Kingdom of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing''. Its ruler was an ActualPacifist, but the country was crushed by the Earth Sphere Alliance. Interestingly, the narrative shows suggests that Actual Pacifism was is a noble goal and the best path, ideal, but the world wasn't ready realistically you need to have ''some'' level of fighting capability, if only for it.defense against those who would abuse their power.
30th Sep '17 1:04:39 PM VicGeorge2011
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* Lucas Orion of the first ''ComicBook/AtariForce'' team. When he and his comrades were being attacked by the Zylons, he refused to even pick up a gun to help his friends fight off the attackers. Fortunately, a CoolShip emerges to save the day, piloted by Lucas' allies.
22nd Sep '17 8:37:45 AM ChaoticNovelist
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When they choose the latter, some stories treat the decision as being TooDumbToLive; be it because the pacifists think appeasement can work on a BloodKnight, choose to ignore the existence of the threat, or that the enslaving invaders somehow ''won't'' abuse their power and make life unbearable. Heroes may try to [[CaptainObvious point out the flaws in their reasoning]] and convince them to defend themselves, but [[CantArgueWithElves they will preach]] that he cannot be trusted due to the blood on his hands. If he tries to argue that [[MartialPacifist peace and liberty must be defended]], they may imply IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim. Of course, once the BigBad or {{Mooks}} arrive, he will be forced to take care of the problem for them, [[UngratefulBastard which they will be ungrateful over]] and even [[ComplainingAboutRescuesTheyDontLike complain about]]. In these cases there may be a WriterOnBoard trying to {{Anvilicious}}ly force a pro-assertiveness/anti-bullying {{Aesop}}.

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When they choose the latter, some stories treat the decision as being TooDumbToLive; be it because the pacifists think appeasement can work on a BloodKnight, choose to ignore the existence of the threat, or that the enslaving invaders somehow ''won't'' abuse their power and make life unbearable. Heroes may try to [[CaptainObvious point out the flaws in their reasoning]] reasoning and convince them to defend themselves, but [[CantArgueWithElves they will preach]] insist that he [[NotSoDifferent cannot be trusted due to the blood on his hands.hands]]. If he tries to argue that [[MartialPacifist peace and liberty must be defended]], they may imply IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim. Of course, once the BigBad or {{Mooks}} arrive, he will be forced to take care of the problem for them, [[UngratefulBastard which they will be ungrateful over]] and even [[ComplainingAboutRescuesTheyDontLike complain about]]. In these cases there may be a WriterOnBoard trying to {{Anvilicious}}ly force pushing a pro-assertiveness/anti-bullying {{Aesop}}.



* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamAGE'': Kio Asuno takes up this stance near the end of the show, refusing to kill the enemy. Unfortunately, his enemy has no desire whatsoever to talk things out and are committed to a total war. Furthermore, while he's got a powerful enough Gundam that he can non-lethally disable enemy {{Mooks}}, against anyone even slightly above average in skill he just ends up making no headway at all.

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* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamAGE'': Kio Asuno takes up this stance near the end of the show, refusing to kill the enemy. Unfortunately, his enemy has no desire whatsoever to talk things out and are committed to a total war. Furthermore, while he's got a powerful enough Gundam that he can non-lethally disable enemy {{Mooks}}, against anyone even slightly above average in skill he just ends up making no headway at all.



* The Chahwyn, and their artificial race the Spiders, in the ''Literature/QuadrailSeries'', who don't want (and are largely incapable) of using force against anyone in fear of slipping down the slope of violence like other races before them. More than one Spider meets a brutal end because of this. By the end of the fourth book they've realized complete pacifism is unworkable and have gained a (so far) limited ability to enact violence upon other sentients if the cause is important enough.

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* *''Literature/QuadrailSeries'': The Chahwyn, and their artificial race the Spiders, in the ''Literature/QuadrailSeries'', who don't want (and are largely incapable) of using force against anyone in fear of slipping down the slope of violence like other races before them. More than one Spider meets a brutal end because of this. By the end of the fourth book they've realized complete pacifism is unworkable and have gained a (so far) limited ability to enact violence upon other sentients if the cause is important enough.



* The Nox of ''Series/StargateSG1'' are a subversion. They appear to have all the trappings of the trope, refusing even to fight the Goa'uld... until it's revealed that their technology is so far beyond that of the Goa'uld that they aren't really a threat, and their powers of invisibility and healing provide them with plenty of non-violent ways of keeping themselves alive.
** Which makes their condescension towards the heroes seem a bit hypocritical or at least unfounded. It's all well and good to practice total pacifism when you have impenetrable defenses and perfect cloaking abilities (not to mention the ability to raise the newly dead) to survive, avoid, or undo the damage of any aggressor, but the people they look down on for using violence in self-defense have little choice other than simply being wiped out or enslaved.

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* The Nox of ''Series/StargateSG1'' are a subversion. They appear to have all the trappings of the trope, refusing even to fight the Goa'uld... until it's revealed that their technology is so far beyond that of the Goa'uld that they aren't really a threat, and their powers of invisibility and healing provide them with plenty of non-violent ways of keeping themselves alive.
** Which makes their condescension towards the heroes seem
alive. Later episodes show more nuance, such as [[spoiler: hiding a bit hypocritical or at least unfounded. It's all well and good to practice total pacifism when you have impenetrable defenses and perfect cloaking abilities (not to mention the ability to raise the newly dead) to survive, avoid, or undo the damage weapon on behalf of any aggressor, but the people someone else so ''they'' can use it if they look down on for using violence in self-defense have little choice other than simply being wiped out or enslaved.are attacked]].



** In Jesus' teachings he tells people to turn the other cheek when struck (though ValuesDissonance means that this was much more badass in his day than through modern eyes), to repay evil with good, and to show kindness to one's enemies. When his enemies show up to take him to his death, he not only doesn't resist in the least, he heals a man injured by one of his disciples.
** The Orthodox Christian Church states that it is in fact ''subverted''. One work of Ivan Aleksandrovich Ilyin, a Russian religious and political philosopher, states that ActualPacifism and Suicidal Pacifism isn't Christian. It is your ''personal'' enemies you are to love, and even then you have the right to defend yourself. When you must protect other people/states/religion, you must stop the threat, [[ShootTheDog even if it means killing]], though only when other means are proved to fail. [[ItsPersonal But you shouldn't make a conflict personal.]] So, in fact, you should be a MartialPacifist or TechnicalPacifist. It's telling that the Orthodox Church ''approved'' his work.

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** In Jesus' teachings he tells people to turn the other cheek when struck (though ValuesDissonance means that this was [[PassiveAggressiveCombat much more badass in his day day]] than through modern eyes), to repay evil with good, and to show kindness to one's enemies. When his enemies show up to take him to his death, he not only doesn't resist in the least, he heals a man injured by one of his disciples.
** The Orthodox Christian Church states that it is in fact ''subverted''.has its own view on this trope. One work of Ivan Aleksandrovich Ilyin, a Russian religious and political philosopher, states that ActualPacifism and Suicidal Pacifism isn't Christian. It is your ''personal'' enemies you are to love, and even then you have the right to defend yourself. When you must protect other people/states/religion, you must stop the threat, [[ShootTheDog even if it means killing]], though only when other means are proved to fail. [[ItsPersonal But you shouldn't make a conflict personal.]] So, in fact, you should be a MartialPacifist or TechnicalPacifist. It's telling that the Orthodox Church ''approved'' his work.
20th Jul '17 2:25:12 AM Willy2537
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* Discussed by Javik in one of his idle banters with Garrus on the Normandy in ''Videogame/MassEffect3''. Javik recounts that in his cycle, a race called The Syndril claimed to have found the path to eternal peace, but they were all wiped out by another race called The Ditakur who preferred war.

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* Discussed by Javik in one of his idle banters with Garrus on the Normandy in ''Videogame/MassEffect3''. Javik recounts that in his cycle, a race called The Syndril claimed to have found the path to eternal peace, but they were all wiped out by another race called The Ditakur who preferred war.
war. And then there's the Reapers and their [[MoreThanMindControl indoctrination tactics]], which turned anyone who spend a long time in contact with them into this. Everyone who's indoctrinated will willingly drop down their weapons, convinced that the Reapers aren't here to wipe out all organic life in the galaxy, and actively tries to sabotage any effort to stop them.
20th Jul '17 2:19:02 AM Willy2537
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* Discussed by Javik in one of his idle banters with Garrus on the Normandy in ''Videogame/MassEffect3''. Javik recounts that in his cycle, a race called The Syndril claimed to have found the path to eternal peace, but they were all wiped out by another race called The Ditakur who preferred war.
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