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20th Jul '17 2:25:12 AM Willy2537
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* Discussed by Javik in one of his idle banters with Garrus on the Normandy in ''Videogame/MassEffect3''. Javik recounts that in his cycle, a race called The Syndril claimed to have found the path to eternal peace, but they were all wiped out by another race called The Ditakur who preferred war.

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* Discussed by Javik in one of his idle banters with Garrus on the Normandy in ''Videogame/MassEffect3''. Javik recounts that in his cycle, a race called The Syndril claimed to have found the path to eternal peace, but they were all wiped out by another race called The Ditakur who preferred war.
war. And then there's the Reapers and their [[MoreThanMindControl indoctrination tactics]], which turned anyone who spend a long time in contact with them into this. Everyone who's indoctrinated will willingly drop down their weapons, convinced that the Reapers aren't here to wipe out all organic life in the galaxy, and actively tries to sabotage any effort to stop them.
20th Jul '17 2:19:02 AM Willy2537
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* Discussed by Javik in one of his idle banters with Garrus on the Normandy in ''Videogame/MassEffect3''. Javik recounts that in his cycle, a race called The Syndril claimed to have found the path to eternal peace, but they were all wiped out by another race called The Ditakur who preferred war.
13th Jul '17 8:37:06 AM Sinister_Sandwich
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* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX'' the [[spoiler:Cleyrans]] have lived in isolation from the rest of the world for so long that they have absolutely no self-defense skills at all. When they're attacked by the army of [[spoiler:Alexandria]], they naively try to reason with the soldiers and, unfortunately, die in droves.
** It didn't help that they had an almost unbreakable natural defence protecting them until the moment they were attacked, giving them little reason to believe they would even be targeted.

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* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX'' the [[spoiler:Cleyrans]] have lived in isolation from the rest of the world (under the protection of an almost unbreakable natural defence) for so long that they have absolutely no self-defense skills at all. When they're attacked by the army of [[spoiler:Alexandria]], [[spoiler:Alexandria and their defence fails]], they naively try to reason with the soldiers and, unfortunately, die in droves.
** It didn't help that they had an almost unbreakable natural defence protecting them until the moment they were attacked, giving them little reason to believe they would even be targeted.
droves.
13th Jul '17 8:34:01 AM Sinister_Sandwich
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** Japanese systematically pillaged their occupied area on China mainland, including resource, treasure, slave labor, terrible experiment on POW, and even up to basic food (even eating rice will be punished as "economic crime"). Not surprisingly, when Gandhi advice China government to stop resistance, it pissed Chinese off.

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** Japanese systematically pillaged their occupied area on China mainland, including resource, treasure, slave labor, terrible experiment on POW, and even up to basic food (even eating rice will be punished as "economic crime"). Not surprisingly, when Gandhi advice China government to stop resistance, it pissed Chinese off.
9th Jun '17 9:14:14 PM nombretomado
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* Folder from the WhateleyUniverse refuses to fight back when bullied, leading to a lot of injuries. Had the events of ''A Single Fold'' not played out as they had, he probably would have ended up dead.

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* Folder from the WhateleyUniverse Literature/WhateleyUniverse refuses to fight back when bullied, leading to a lot of injuries. Had the events of ''A Single Fold'' not played out as they had, he probably would have ended up dead.
27th May '17 2:02:25 PM nombretomado
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* Thích Quảng Đức, the Buddhist monk who set himself on fire in a Saigon street during the VietnamWar as an act of protest. Note that he was not protesting the war itself, but the South Vietnamese government's persecution of Buddhists.

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* Thích Quảng Đức, the Buddhist monk who set himself on fire in a Saigon street during the VietnamWar UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar as an act of protest. Note that he was not protesting the war itself, but the South Vietnamese government's persecution of Buddhists.
2nd May '17 12:25:25 PM JOKER_G
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** Japanese systematically pillaged their occupied area on China mainland, including resource, treasure, slave labor, terrible experiment on POW, and even up to basic food (even eating rice will be punished as "economic crime"). Not surprisingly, when Gandhi advice China government to stop resistance, it pissed Chinese off.
5th Apr '17 9:03:46 PM Fireblood
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* The sad story of the Moriori people of Chatham Islands, who lived by a code of Pacifism that forbade them to kill. When the Maori invaded their island and began to exterminate and eat them, some of the Moriori argued that Pacifism shouldn't apply. In the end however, their chiefs decided that the principle of Pacifism was never intended to be a strategy for survival - it was a moral imperative. Consequently the Moriori allowed themselves to be completely wiped out.
* [[UsefulNotes/DichterAndDenker German philosopher]] Oswald Spengler claimed in ''Literature/TheDeclineOfTheWest'' that this meant the preference of slavery over death (by fighting). As he explained: at the battle of Cannae, 50,000 Roman soldiers died. When the Mongols overran the metropolises of China and the Muslim world, the population didn't want to fight them, and hundreds of thousands of people died. Per metropolis, that is. The example of the Mongols is actually subverted: those cities who capitulated without a fight were generally spared widespread slaughter, and largely peacefully incorporated into the Empire. It was the ones who fought back who would be massacred as an example to the rest.

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* The sad story of the Moriori people of Chatham Islands, who lived by a code of Pacifism pacifism that forbade them to kill. When the Maori invaded their island and began to exterminate and eat them, some of the Moriori argued that Pacifism pacifism shouldn't apply. In the end however, their chiefs decided that the principle of Pacifism pacifism was never intended to be a strategy for survival - it was a moral imperative. Consequently the Moriori allowed themselves to be completely wiped out.
out, except for those kept alive as slaves. Today only about 700 are left. To make things worse, it turns out that the Moriori were Maori who settled there in the 16th century, meaning their own long-lost cousins massacred them.
* [[UsefulNotes/DichterAndDenker German philosopher]] Oswald Spengler claimed in ''Literature/TheDeclineOfTheWest'' that this meant the preference of slavery over death (by fighting). As he explained: at the battle of Cannae, 50,000 Roman soldiers died. When the Mongols overran the metropolises of China and the Muslim world, the population didn't want to fight them, and hundreds of thousands of people died. Per metropolis, that is. The example of the Mongols is actually subverted: those cities who capitulated without a fight were generally spared widespread slaughter, and largely peacefully incorporated into the Empire. It was the ones who fought back who would be massacred as an example to the rest. This was common at the time elsewhere as well.



* [[UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi Mohandas Gandhi]] allegedly believed that the Jews should willingly kill themselves or give themselves over to slaughter by UsefulNotes/NaziGermany rather than employ violence against their aggressors, or that they should resist by nonviolence alone in spite of knowing the DisproportionateRetribution that Hitler's regime had become known for.[[note]]More charitable interpretations of Gandhi's statements suggest that the Jews had nothing to lose by non-violent resistance, since they were destined for a horrible death regardless, and Gandhi's suggestion was a via media between doing nothing and fighting a losing battle. Less favorable interpretations suggest that Gandhi actually supported the Nazi regime, since they were fighting a war against the imperial powers of Britain and France.[[/note]] With the exception of several areas occupied by Japanese military forces and the Axis-aligned Indian National Army (the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, and parts of Manipur and Nagaland) India remained under Allied control for the duration of World War II so this policy was never put to the test on a large scale. However, during their presence in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, the Japanese did prove that any resistance or suspected resistance to the Axis war effort would not be tolerated, and would be punished by imprisonment, forced labor, or summary execution. When the true scope of the Nazi Germany's plans became understood later on, Gandhi had to admit that even if passive resistance ''could'' work against the Nazi war machine, it would be "not without great losses."[[note]]Hitler actually did make offhand remarks about Gandhi himself to British politicians during diplomatic meetings between Germany and the UK on how to "deal" with the Indian National Congress that amounted to an escalating series of mass executions until they would be too terrified to resist their colonial overlords.[[/note]] Creator/HarryTurtledove wrote a short story of AlternateHistory in which Nazi Germany occupies India and Gandhi tries his ''satyagraha'' tactics against them, to total disaster (possibly a TakeThat against his view, as Turtledove himself is Jewish).

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* [[UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi Mohandas Gandhi]] allegedly believed that the Jews should willingly kill themselves or give themselves over to slaughter by UsefulNotes/NaziGermany rather than employ violence against their aggressors, or that they should resist by nonviolence alone in spite of knowing the DisproportionateRetribution that Hitler's regime had become known for.[[note]]More charitable interpretations of Gandhi's statements suggest that the Jews had nothing to lose by non-violent resistance, since they were destined for a horrible death regardless, and Gandhi's suggestion was a via media middle way between doing nothing and fighting a losing battle. Less favorable interpretations suggest that Gandhi actually supported the Nazi regime, since they were fighting a war against the imperial powers of Britain and France.[[/note]] With the exception of several areas occupied by Japanese military forces and the Axis-aligned Indian National Army (the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, and parts of Manipur and Nagaland) India remained under Allied control for the duration of World War II so this policy was never put to the test on a large scale. However, during their presence in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, the Japanese did prove that any resistance or suspected resistance to the Axis war effort would not be tolerated, and would be punished by imprisonment, forced labor, or summary execution. When the true scope of the Nazi Germany's plans became understood later on, Gandhi had to admit that even if passive resistance ''could'' work against the Nazi war machine, it would be "not without great losses."[[note]]Hitler actually did make offhand remarks about Gandhi himself to British politicians during diplomatic meetings between Germany and the UK on how to "deal" with the Indian National Congress that amounted to an escalating series of mass executions until they would be too terrified to resist their colonial overlords.[[/note]] Creator/HarryTurtledove wrote a short story of AlternateHistory in which Nazi Germany occupies India and Gandhi tries his ''satyagraha'' tactics against them, to total disaster (possibly a TakeThat against his view, as Turtledove himself is Jewish).
5th Apr '17 8:39:24 PM Fireblood
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More nuanced interpretations may have the pacifists struggle with the ethical dilemma of taking a life to defend their own, whether asking the hero for help defending them violates their pacifism by proxy, if appeasing the villain with money or slaves won't cause suffering to third parties and other issues. They usually end up in a position where they're forced into unwilling slavery they resist with civil disobedience... which is a dicey prospect that ''may'' get them freed in decades or centuries, but as per the trope title, submitting to the aggressor usually amounts to suicide. They may only reluctantly accept the hero's offer to [[TrainingThePeacefulVillagers Train The Peaceful Villagers]], to [[TeachHimAnger Teach Them Anger]], or choose to relocate.

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More nuanced interpretations may have the pacifists struggle with the ethical dilemma of taking a life to defend their own, whether asking the hero for help defending them violates their pacifism by proxy, if appeasing the villain with money or slaves won't cause suffering to third parties and other issues. They usually end up in a position where they're forced into unwilling slavery they resist with civil disobedience...or make use of passive resistance... which is a dicey prospect that ''may'' get them freed in decades or centuries, but as per the trope title, submitting to the aggressor usually amounts to suicide. They may only reluctantly accept the hero's offer to [[TrainingThePeacefulVillagers Train The Peaceful Villagers]], to [[TeachHimAnger Teach Them Anger]], or choose to relocate.
28th Nov '16 3:14:46 PM Morgenthaler
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** In Jesus' teachings he tells people to turn the other cheek when struck (though ValuesDissonance means that this was much more {{Badass}} in his day than through modern eyes), to repay evil with good, and to show kindness to one's enemies. When his enemies show up to take him to his death, he not only doesn't resist in the least, he heals a man injured by one of his disciples.

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** In Jesus' teachings he tells people to turn the other cheek when struck (though ValuesDissonance means that this was much more {{Badass}} badass in his day than through modern eyes), to repay evil with good, and to show kindness to one's enemies. When his enemies show up to take him to his death, he not only doesn't resist in the least, he heals a man injured by one of his disciples.
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