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* "Tankies" [[note]] In reference to Khrushchev "sending in the tanks" during the Hungarian uprising.[[/note]]are a sub-section of communist living outside the former communist world and still defend the old Soviet Union with a near religious fervor just as they did during the Cold War and take an authoritarian line in political matters. Unlike "necro-patriots" living within the former Eastern Bloc (who generally acknowledge the hardships even if they miss it for [[WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell one reason or another]]) or other groups of socialists who have denounced the USSR, tankies insist the USSR was a paradise ruined either by incompetent liberalizing leaders or the CIA. The fact that the largely anti-authoritarian Western political left hasn't and doesn't like them, adopting social democratic and green politics on the reformist side, and more hardline democratic socialism as well as anarchism on the revolutionary side over Marxism-Leninism, and the right doesn't care doesn't seem to have dawned on them. Even the few remaining nominally communist states, including China, Laos, and Vietnam, have mostly abandoned central planning for market economies. Regardless, tankies are the inverse of the [[NoTrueScotsman "not real communism"]] types of socialists, insisting that China, Laos, and Vietnam are "building socialism adapted to new material conditions" and that anyone that doesn't believe China or any other so-called "Actually Existing Socialist states" to be still building communism [[NoTrueScotsman are "ultra-leftists" that do not understand how socialism works]].

* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'': The Reachmen are the natives of a region known as the Reach which faced repeated colonization efforts by larger powers throughout Tamriel and failed wars of rebellion to drive the Imperial colonizers out of their land. By the time of [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim the fifth game]], the Reachmen have mostly integrated into wider society and written off revolution against the OccupiersFromOutOfCountry as a lost cause, but a terrorist group known as the Forsworn refuses to back down and persists in waging a guerrilla campaign against the Imperials and Stormcloaks alike as if they are still amidst the ancient wars. Most Reachmen see the Forsworn as a bunch of madmen who are making things worse for everyone and getting innocents killed in a useless CycleOfRevenge, while Forsworn see their brethren who fail to follow them into battle as [[CategoryTraitor race traitors]] who are bending the knee to the occupation.

* In the 1989 BlackComedy ''Film/TheBurbs'', Creator/BruceDern plays a character who has trouble letting go of UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, which had ended well over a decade before, despite being happily married and living in a prosperous neighborhood. While this is partly TruthInTelevision, the Dern character takes it to farcical extremes, behaving in paranoid "military" fashion constantly and [[SeriousBusiness referring to the silliest things in a grim manner]]. (Of course, [[spoiler: he and his only slightly less paranoid neighbors [[StrawmanHasAPoint turn out to be correct]] after all]].)

* ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars:'' A recurring theme is the Predacons are still sore about the Decepticons having lost the Great War, since they feel the Maximals are oppressing them for this. Some Preds feel it more than others - Megatron, naturally, feels he's oppressed because ''he's'' not ruling Cybertron.

* "Tankies" [[note]] In reference to Khrushchev "sending in the tanks" during the Hungarian uprising.[[/note]]are a sub-section of communist living outside the former communist world and still defend the old Soviet Union with a near religious fervor just as they did during the Cold War. Unlike "necro-patriots" living within the former Eastern Bloc (who generally acknowledge the hardships even if they miss it for [[WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell one reason or another]]) or other groups of socialists who have denounced the USSR, tankies insist the USSR was a paradise ruined either by incompetent liberalizing leaders or the CIA. The fact that the largely anti-authoritarian Western political left hasn't and doesn't like them, adopting social democratic and green politics on the reformist side, and more hardline democratic socialism as well as anarchism on the revolutionary side over Marxism-Leninism, and the right doesn't care doesn't seem to have dawned on them. Even the few remaining nominally communist states, including China, Laos, and Vietnam, have mostly abandoned central planning for market economies. Regardless, tankies are the inverse of the [[NoTrueScotsman "not real communism"]] types of socialists, insisting that China, Laos, and Vietnam are "building socialism adapted to new material conditions" and that anyone that doesn't believe China or any other so-called "Actually Existing Socialist states" to be still building communism [[NoTrueScotsman are "ultra-leftists" that do not understand how socialism works]].

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* ''VideoGame/{{GUN}}'': Downplayed with Sergeant Hollister and his Renegade Army, who have moved into violent attacks against anyone who crosses their paths, and still wear parts of their old confederate uniforms, mixed with war paint and feathers. Averted with BigBad, former Confederate major and current railroad tycoon Thomas Macgruder, even during the actual Civil War, all he cared about was finding the lost GoldenCity of Quivira, and that hasn't changed.

* ''Franchise/{{Splatoon}}'': A century ago, the Great Turf War between the Inklings and the Octarians ended with the Inklings as the victors, forcing the Octarians to retreat into underground domes while the Inklings retained control over the surface. DJ Octavio, leader of the Octarian Army, remains bitter of the loss and plots to start a second Great Turf War by stealing the Great Zapfish to power up his Great Octoweapons and anger the Inklings with his provocative music... 100 years later. By that time, a new generation of Inklings only know of the Great Turf War as ancient history and think Octavio is a rad DJ, even [[SpringtimeForHitler enjoying his provocative music]]. The only Inkling willing to engage in Octavio's desire for war is his old ArchEnemy, Cap'n Cuttlefish, who could only recruit [[SuspiciouslySmallArmy his granddaughters and one random Inkling into his New Squidbeak Splatoon]]. After the events of ''VideoGame/Splatoon2'', many Octolings left the Octarian Army to live alongside the Inklings in Inkopolis Square, reducing Ocatavio's forces into TheRemnant fighting a lost cause.

* The main two political parties of the UsefulNotes/IrishPoliticalSystem are in many ways this, with Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael being directly descended from the Anti-Treaty and Pro-Treaty factions of Sinn Féin in the Irish Civil War. Both parties have since become in effect political machines, with personalities and historical and regional loyalties driving voting patterns more than policy. This is particularly true of Fianna Fáil, with its development into a "party of power" advancing the interests of the monied elite (starting around the premiership of [[UsefulNotes/ThePrimeMinistersOfIreland Charlie Haughey]], the wealth-obsessed Irish Nixon). Fine Gael has gained a few principles (becoming a Christian Democratic party with conservative views on social issues but with a more social view of economic policy, in line with Catholic social teaching), but as their longstanding alliance with Labour (with whom they strongly disagree on social policy and who are substantially to the left of them on economic policy) shows, they've historically only been marginally better than Fianna Fáil in this respect. (However, after the Ahern and Cowen FF administrations revealed some truly ''spectacular'' corruption on FF's part, people have been rethinking this conception.) The party calling itself Sinn Féin right now is TheRemnant of the original party left after Éamon de Valera led pragmatic Anti-Treaty members (who recognized they had been beaten) to found Fianna Fáil. This Sinn Féin continued fighting, with varying degrees of intensity (greatest during UsefulNotes/TheTroubles) until the early 2000s, and are now Ireland's main hard-left party.

** There is a bit of split within tankies between "classic tankies"[[note]]Orthodox Stalinists, Hoxhaists, and Marxist-Leninist-Maoists[[/note]] and "Sino tankies," the latter of whom are the mentioned sympathizers of China. The former classic tankies are a double shot of this trope, effectively still fighting the Cold War ''and'' [[UsefulNotes/ToGetRichIsGlorious the post-Mao Market Reforms]]. Rather than supporting China, classic tankies view China and all so called "actually existing socialist states" as traitors to the socialist cause, supporting instead anti-Revisionist Stalinist Communist parties like the Communist Party of Greece, as well as various Maoist or hardline Communist insurgencies such as the Filipino New People's Army and the Peruvian Shining Path.

** There is a bit of split within tankies between "classic tankies"[[note]]Orthodox Stalinists, Hoxhaists, and Marxist-Leninist-Maoists[[/note]] and "Sino tankies," the latter of whom are the mentioned sympathizers of China. The former classic tankies are a double shot of this trope, effectively still fighting the Cold War ''and'' [[UsefulNotes/ToGetRichIsGlorious the post-Mao Market Reforms]]. Rather than supporting China, classic tankies view China and all so called "actually existing socialist states" as traitors to the socialist cause, supporting instead various Maoist or hardline Communist insurgencies such as the Filipino New People's Army and the Peruvian Shining Path.

* ''Franchise/{{Splatoon}}'': A century ago, the Great Turf War between the Inklings and the Octarians ended with the Inklings as the victors, forcing the Octarians to retreat into underground domes while the Inklings retain control over the surface. DJ Octavio, leader of the Octarian Army, remained bitter of the loss and plotted to start a second Great Turf War by stealing the Great Zapfish to power up his Great Octoweapons and anger the Inklings with his provocative music. And he enacted his plan... 100 years later. By that time, a new generation of Inklings only know of the Great Turf War as ancient history and think Octavio is a rad DJ, even [[SpringtimeForHitler enjoying his provocative music]]. The only Inkling willing to engage in Octavio's desire for war is his old ArchEnemy, Cap'n Cuttlefish, who could only recruit [[SuspiciouslySmallArmy his granddaughters and one random Inkling into his New Squidbeak Splatoon]]. After the events of ''VideoGame/Splatoon2'', many Octolings left the Octarian Army to live alongside the Inklings in Inkopolis Square, reducing Ocatavio's forces into TheRemnant fighting a lost cause.

* ''Franchise/{{Splatoon}}'': A century ago, a Great Turf War between the Inklings and the Octarians ended with the Inklings as the victors, forcing the Octarians to retreat into underground domes while the Inklings retain control over the surface. DJ Octavio, leader of the Octarian Army, remained bitter of the loss and plotted to start a second Great Turf War by stealing the Great Zapfish to power up his Great Octoweapons and anger the Inklings with his provocative music. And he enacted his plan... 100 years later. By that time, a new generation of Inklings only know of the Great Turf War as ancient history and think Octavio is a rad DJ, even [[SpringtimeForHitler enjoying his provocative music]]. The only Inkling willing to engage in Octavio's desire for war is his old ArchEnemy, Cap'n Cuttlefish, who could only recruit [[SuspiciouslySmallArmy his granddaughters and one random Inkling into his New Squidbeak Splatoon]]. After the events of ''VideoGame/Splatoon2'', many Octolings left the Octarian Army to live alongside the Inklings in Inkopolis Square, reducing Ocatavio's forces into TheRemnant fighting a lost cause.

* ''Franchise/{{Splatoon}}'': A century ago, a Great Turf War between the Inklings and the Octarians ended with the Inklings as the victors, forcing the Octarians to retreat into underground domes while the Inklings retain control over the surface. DJ Octavio, leader of the Octarian Army, remained bitter of the loss and plotted to start a second Great Turf War by stealing the Great Zapfish to power up his Great Octoweapons and anger the Inklings with his provocative music. And he enacted his plan... 100 years later. By that time, a new generation of Inklings only know of the Great Turf War as ancient history and think Octavio is a rad DJ, even [[SpringtimeForHitler enjoying his provocative music]]. The only Inkling willing to engage in Octavio's desire for war is his old ArchEnemy, Cap'n Cuttlefish, who could only recruit his granddaughters and one random Inkling into his New Squidbeak Splatoon. After the events of ''VideoGame/Splatoon2'', many Octolings left the Octarian Army to live alongside the Inklings in Inkopolis Square, reducing Ocatavio's forces into TheRemnant fighting a lost cause.

** Many people in the South like to display the Confederate flag, even sometimes in official places such as state buildings or on license plates. This [[FlameBait invariably causes controversy]] between those who see it as a matter of historical southern pride and those who take issue with its UnfortunateImplications. Wiki/TheOtherWiki has a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America#Controversy whole article]] on the subject.

* "Tankies" [[note]] In reference to Khrushchev "sending in the tanks" during the Hungarian uprising.[[/note]]are a sub-section of communist living outside the former communist world and still defend the old Soviet Union with a near religious fervor just as they did during the Cold War. Unlike "necro-patriots" living within the former Eastern Bloc (who generally acknowledge the hardships even if they miss it for [[WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell one reason or another]]) or other groups of socialists who have denounced the USSR, tankies insist the USSR was a paradise ruined either by incompetent liberalizing leaders or the CIA. The fact that the largely anti-authoritarian Western political left hasn't and doesn't like them, adopting social democratic and green politics on the reformist side, and more hardline democratic socialism as well as anarchism on the revolutionary side over Marxism-Leninism, and the right doesn't care doesn't seem to have dawned on them. Even the few remaining nominally communist states, including China, Laos,and Vietnam, have mostly abandoned central planning for market economies. Regardless, tankies are the inverse of the [[NoTrueScotsman "not real communism"]] types of socialists, insisting that China, Laos, and Vietnam are "building socialism adapted to new material conditions" and that anyone that dosen't believe China or any other so-called "Actually Existing Socialist states" to be still building communism [[NoTrueScotsman are "ultra-leftists" that do not understand how socialism works]].

* "Tankies" [[note]] In reference to Khrushchev "sending in the tanks" during the Hungarian uprising.[[/note]]are a sub-section of communist living outside the former communist world and still defend the old Soviet Union with a near religious fervor just as they did during the Cold War. Unlike "necro-patriots" living within the former Eastern Bloc (who generally acknowledge the hardships even if they miss it for [[WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell one reason or another]]) or other groups of socialists who have denounced the USSR, tankies insist the USSR was a paradise ruined either by incompetent liberalizing leaders or the CIA. The fact that the increasingly anti-authoritarian political left in the West hasn't and doesn't like them, adopting social democratic and green politics on the reformist side, and more hardline democratic socialism as well as anarchism on the revolutionary side over Marxism-Leninism, and the right doesn't care doesn't seem to have dawned on them. Even the few remaining nominally communist states, including China, Laos,and Vietnam, have mostly abandoned central planning for market economies. Regardless, tankies are the inverse of the [[NoTrueScotsman "not real communism"]] types of socialists, insisting that China, Laos, and Vietnam are "building socialism adapted to new material conditions" and that anyone that dosen't believe China or any other so-called "Actually Existing Socialist states" to be still building communism [[NoTrueScotsman are "ultra-leftists" that do not understand how socialism works]].

* "Tankies" [[note]] In reference to Khrushchev "sending in the tanks" during the Hungarian uprising.[[/note]]are a sub-section of communist living outside the former communist world and still defend the old Soviet Union with a near religious fervor just as they did during the Cold War. Unlike "necro-patriots" living within the former Eastern Bloc (who generally acknowledge the hardships even if they miss it for [[WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell one reason or another]]) or other groups of socialists who have denounced the USSR, tankies insist the USSR was a paradise ruined either by incompetent liberalizing leaders or the CIA. The fact that the increasingly anti-authoritarian political left in the West hasn't and doesn't like them, adopting social democratic and green politics on the reformist side, and more hardline democratic socialism as well as anarchism on the revolutionary side over Marxism-Leninism, and the right doesn't care doesn't seem to have dawned on them. Even the few remaining nominally communist states, including China, Laos and Vietnam, have mostly abandoned central planning for market economies. Regardless, tankies are the inverse of the [[NoTrueScotsman "not real communism"]] types of socialists, insisting that China, Laos, and Vietnam are "building socialism adapted to new material conditions" and that anyone that dosen't believe China or any other so-called "Actually Existing Socialist states" to be still building communism [[NoTrueScotsman are "ultra-leftists" that do not understand how socialism works]].

* In {{UsefulNotes/Spain}} the situation is a bit odd as the fascists won the UsefulNotes/SpanishCivilWar but in addition to being allied to Hitler, they were also ''monarchist'' and the Second Spanish Republic was ''never'' restored. To this day the flag of the Second Republic is still flown by some leftists and two major leftist parties, PSOE, the main social democratic party and ERC, a regional Catalan party with a pro-indepencence bent, claim continuity to their pre-Civil War selves and have either a sizable Republican wing (PSOE) or "Republican" in the name (with ERC standing for Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya -- Republican Left of Catalonia). On the other hand the Spanish right wing includes ([[GenerationXerox the descendants of]]) high ranking Franco regime functionaries[[note]]What is now PP, Spain's main center-right party was founded and for a long time led by Manuel Fraga, who served as Minister of Information under Franco.[[/note]] and they have a relationship with the era from 1939 to 1975 that is a lot more chummy than any mainstream party in Germany would be with the era from 1933 to 1945.

* In {{UsefulNotes/Spain}} the situation is a bit odd as the fascists won the UsefulNotes/SpanishCivilWar but in addition to being allied to Hitler, they were also ''monarchist'' and the Second Spanish Republic was ''never'' restored. To this day the flag of the Second Republic is still flown by some leftists and two major leftist parties, PSOE, the main social democratic party and ERC, a regional Catalan party with a pro-indepencence bent, claim continuity to their pre-Civil War selves and have either a sizable Republican wing (PSOE) or "Republican" in the name (with ERC standing for Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya -- Republican Left of Catalonia). On the other hand the Spanish right wing includes ([[GenerationXerox the descendants of]]) high ranking Franco regime functionaries[[note]]What is now PP, Spain's main center-right party was founded and for a long time led by Manuel Fraga, who served as Minister of Information under Franco.[[/note]] and they have a relationship with the era from 1939 to 1975 that is a lot more chummy than any mainstream party in Germany would be with the era from 1933 to 1945.
* Long after UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump lost the 2020 presidential election to UsefulNotes/JoeBiden, Trump and his followers continue to insist that he is the true winner and to do a recount.
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* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPar''k:

* "Tankies" [[note]] In reference to Khrushchev "sending in the tanks" during the Hungarian uprising.[[/note]]are a sub-section of communist living outside the former communist world and still defend the old Soviet Union with a near religious fervor just as they did during the Cold War. Unlike "necro-patriots" living within the former Eastern Bloc (who generally acknowledge the hardships even if they miss it for [[WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell one reason or another]]) or other groups of socialists who have denounced the USSR, tankies insist the USSR was a paradise ruined either by incompetent liberalizing leaders or the CIA. The fact that the political left in the West hasn't and doesn't like them, adopting social democratic and green politics on the reformist side, and more hardline democratic socialism as well as anarchism on the revolutionary side over Marxism-Leninism, and the right doesn't care doesn't seem to have dawned on them. Even the few remaining nominally communist states, including China, Laos and Vietnam, have mostly abandoned central planning for market economies. Regardless, tankies are the inverse of the [[NoTrueScotsman "not real communism"]] types of socialists, insisting that China, Laos, and Vietnam are "building socialism adapted to new material conditions" and that anyone that dosen't believe China or any other so-called "Actually Existing Socialist states" to be still building communism [[NoTrueScotsman are "ultra-leftists" that do not understand how socialism works]].

* In {{UsefulNotes/Spain}} the situation is a bit odd as the fascists won the UsefulNotes/SpanishCivilWar but in addition to being allied to Hitler, they were also ''monarchist'' and the Second Spanish Republic was ''never'' restored. To this day the flag of the Second Republic is still flown by some leftists and two major leftist parties, PSOE, the main social democratic party and ERC, a regional Catalan party with an independist bent claim continuity to their pre- Civil War selfs and have either a sizable Republican wing (PSOE) or "Republican" in the name (ERC). On the other hand the Spanish right wing includes ([[GenerationXerox the descendants of]]) high ranking Franco regime functionaries[[note]]What is now PP, Spain's main center-right party was founded and for a long time led by Manuel Fraga, a minister under Franco[[/note]] and they have a relationship with the era from 1939 to 1975 that is a lot more chummy than any mainstream party in Germany would be with the era from 1933 to 1945.

* The Peacock family from the ''Series/TheXFiles'' episode "Home". When Mulder & Scully come across the matriarch, she rails at them about the War of Northern Aggression. The episode is set in Pennsylvania - a Union state - so the Peacocks were either [[{{hypocrite}} invaders from the South]] or Confederate sympathizers.

* WesternAnimation/SouthPark:

* "Tankies" [[note]] In reference to Khrushchev "sending in the tanks" during the Hungarian uprising.[[/note]]are a sub-section of communist living outside the former communist world and still defend the old Soviet Union with a near religious fervor just as they did during the Cold War. Unlike "necro-patriots" living within the former Eastern Bloc (who generally acknowledge the hardships even if they miss it for [[WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell one reason or another]]) or other groups of socialists who have denounced the USSR, tankies insist the USSR was a paradise ruined either by incompetent liberalizing leaders or the CIA. The fact that the political left in the West hasn't and doesn't like them, adopting social democratic and green politics on the reformist side, and more hardline democratic socialism as well as anarchism on the revolutionary side over Marxism-Leninism, and the right doesn't care doesn't seem to have dawned on them. Even the few remaining nominally communist states, including China, Laos and Vietnam, have mostly abandoned central planning for market economies. Regardless, tankies are the inverse of the [[NoTrueScotsman "not real communism"]] types of socialists, insisting that China, Laos, and Vietnam are "building socialism adapted to new material conditions" and that anyone that dosen't believe China to be still building communism [[NoTrueScotsman are "ultra-leftists" that do not understand how socialism works]].

* "Tankies" [[note]] In reference to Khrushchev "sending in the tanks" during the Hungarian uprising.[[/note]]are a sub-section of communist living outside the former communist world and still defend the old Soviet Union with a near religious fervor just as they did during the Cold War. Unlike "necro-patriots" living within the former Eastern Bloc (who generally acknowledge the hardships even if they miss it for [[WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell one reason or another]]) or other groups of socialists who have denounced the USSR, tankies insist the USSR was a paradise ruined either by incompetent liberalizing leaders or the CIA. The fact that the political left in the West hasn't and doesn't like them, adopting social democratic and green politics on the reformist side, and anarchism on the revolutionaty side over Marxism-Leninism, and the right doesn't care doesn't seem to have dawned on them. Even the few remaining nominally communist states, including China, Laos and Vietnam, have mostly abandoned central planning for market economies. Regardless, tankies are the inverse of the [[NoTrueScotsman "not real communism"]] types of socialists, insisting that China, Laos, and Vietnam are "building socialism adapted to new material conditions" and that anyone that dosen't believe China to be still building communism [[NoTrueScotsman are "ultra-leftists" that do not understand how socialism works]].
** There is a bit of split within tankies between "classic tankies"[[note]]Orthodox Stalinists, Hoxhaists, and Marxist-Leninist-Maoists[[/note]] and "Sino tankies," the latter of whom are the mentioned sympathizers of China. The former classic tankies are a double shot of this trope, effectively still fighting the Cold War ''and'' [[UsefulNotes/ToGetRichIsGlorious the post-Mao Market Reforms]]. Rather than China, classic tankies throw their weight behind the political powerhouses of... Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, and Belarussian President Alexander Lukashenko. [[note]] The last has preserved Soviet style state owned industry in Belarus but managed to piss off even his communist base recently.[[/note]]

* "Tankies" [[note]] In reference to Khrushchev "sending in the tanks" during the Hungarian uprising.[[/note]]are a sub-section of communist living outside the former communist world and still defend the old Soviet Union with a near religious fervor just as they did during the Cold War. Unlike "necro-patriots" living within the former Eastern Bloc (who generally acknowledge the hardships even if they miss it for [[WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell one reason or another]]) or other groups of socialists who have denounced the USSR, tankies insist the USSR was a paradise ruined either by incompetent liberalizing leaders or the CIA. The fact that the political left in the West hasn't and doesn't like them, adopting social democratic, anarchist, and green politics over Marxism-Leninism, and the right doesn't care doesn't seem to have dawned on them. Even the few remaining nominally communist states, including China, Laos and Vietnam, have mostly abandoned central planning for market economies. Regardless, tankies are the inverse of the [[NoTrueScotsman "not real communism"]] types of socialists, insisting that China, Laos, and Vietnam are "building socialism adapted to new material conditions" and that anyone that dosen't believe China to be still building communism [[NoTrueScotsman are "ultra-leftists" that do not understand how socialism works]].