History Main / StillFightingTheCivilWar

31st Dec '15 3:25:18 PM 10-13-2
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* The Balkans take this trope UpToTheEleven with their long history of ethnic and religious tensions, as well as meddling by various outside forces. The Ottoman conquests and subsequent rebellions against their rule, the whole mess with Austrian expansion into the Balkans that led to the First World War, the Balkan Wars, World War 2, the Yugoslav Wars... some people who live there are still re-living these conflicts to this day.
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* The Balkans take this trope UpToTheEleven with their long history of ethnic and religious tensions, as well as meddling by various outside forces. The Ottoman conquests and subsequent rebellions against their rule, the whole mess with Austrian expansion into the Balkans that led to the First World War, the Balkan Wars, World War 2, the Yugoslav Wars... some people who live there are still re-living these conflicts to this day. One historian in the 1930s even claimed that if you could go back in time and interview all the members of a Balkan family for a thousand years of history, [[GenerationXerox they would all respond with the same bitter prejudice]].

* When UsefulNotes/{{Baseball}} great Ty Cobb first came up from Georgia to join the Detroit Tigers in 1905, he was subjected to some light hazing, to which he responded violently. This led his teammate Sam Crawford to comment--verbatim--that Cobb was "still fighting the Civil War" in his mind, treating the other players as "damnyankees" before he even met them.[[note]]Truth be told, although even the biggest Tigers fan will admit that Cobb was a racist asshole, but most historians agree that his personal demons were a bigger driver of this than any Southern mindset.[[/note]]
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* When UsefulNotes/{{Baseball}} great Ty Cobb first came up from Georgia to join the Detroit Tigers in 1905, he was subjected to some light hazing, to which he responded violently. This led his teammate Sam Crawford to comment--verbatim--that Cobb was "still fighting the Civil War" in his mind, treating the other players as "damnyankees" before he even met them.[[note]]Truth be told, although even the biggest Tigers fan will admit that Cobb was a racist asshole, but most historians agree that his personal demons were a bigger driver of this than any Southern mindset.[[/note]][[/note]] * The people of Kazakhstan are intensely proud of their heritage, and have been known to insist that the Cossacks are "still on the march" - as if neither czarist Russia nor the Soviet Union ever existed.
31st Dec '15 3:19:43 PM 10-13-2
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* There was a minor heel named Jean Lafitte who claimed to be the direct ancestor of the 19th-century French pirate with the same name. Lafitte dressed up as his (supposed) famous ancestor and announced he was out for revenge against all Americans [[Wrestling/BretHart (and one Canadian)]] for an 1807 law that blockaded New Orleans, preventing pirates from entering the city [[note]] In fact, the blockade of New Orleans was part of a nationwide embargo intended to preserve American neutrality with both Britain and France, and had practically nothing to do with pirates. [[/note]] This was in the mid-1990s - [[ButForMeItWasTuesday long]], ''[[ButForMeItWasTuesday long]]'' [[ButForMeItWasTuesday after America had collectively forgotten that the blockade had ever happened.]]
19th Dec '15 7:51:37 PM nombretomado
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** CMPunk enjoyed the longest single WWE Championship reign since the 1980s, at well over 400 days (November 2011 to January 2013). When he lost his title to TheRock after their match was restarted once it was proven that TheShield had intervened, Punk claimed that he'd been unfairly robbed of the title, that the Rock's victory was a farce, and that his record title run was continuing despite even what WWE itself said. Eventually even he had to acknowledge that he was in a disadvantageous position, so he challenged ''Royal Rumble'' winner Wrestling/JohnCena for his ''[=WrestleMania=]'' title shot - and lost, in what many consider to be one of the most epic WWE matches ever shown on television. Only then did Punk give up on the title, moving on to his obsession with trying to end the career of TheUndertaker.
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** CMPunk enjoyed the longest single WWE Championship reign since the 1980s, at well over 400 days (November 2011 to January 2013). When he lost his title to TheRock after their match was restarted once it was proven that TheShield Wrestling/TheShield had intervened, Punk claimed that he'd been unfairly robbed of the title, that the Rock's victory was a farce, and that his record title run was continuing despite even what WWE itself said. Eventually even he had to acknowledge that he was in a disadvantageous position, so he challenged ''Royal Rumble'' winner Wrestling/JohnCena for his ''[=WrestleMania=]'' title shot - and lost, in what many consider to be one of the most epic WWE matches ever shown on television. Only then did Punk give up on the title, moving on to his obsession with trying to end the career of TheUndertaker.
25th Nov '15 1:20:59 PM gallium
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* An entire town in Brazil, called [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americana,_S%C3%A3o_Paulo Americana]], was founded by Confederates emigrating after losing the Civil War (and looking for a place where they could still hold slaves, as Brazil did not ban slavery until 1888). Descendants of the "Confederados" have lived there ever since.
30th Oct '15 6:30:15 PM nombretomado
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** CMPunk enjoyed the longest single WWE Championship reign since the 1980s, at well over 400 days (November 2011 to January 2013). When he lost his title to TheRock after their match was restarted once it was proven that TheShield had intervened, Punk claimed that he'd been unfairly robbed of the title, that the Rock's victory was a farce, and that his record title run was continuing despite even what WWE itself said. Eventually even he had to acknowledge that he was in a disadvantageous position, so he challenged ''Royal Rumble'' winner JohnCena for his ''[=WrestleMania=]'' title shot - and lost, in what many consider to be one of the most epic WWE matches ever shown on television. Only then did Punk give up on the title, moving on to his obsession with trying to end the career of TheUndertaker.
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** CMPunk enjoyed the longest single WWE Championship reign since the 1980s, at well over 400 days (November 2011 to January 2013). When he lost his title to TheRock after their match was restarted once it was proven that TheShield had intervened, Punk claimed that he'd been unfairly robbed of the title, that the Rock's victory was a farce, and that his record title run was continuing despite even what WWE itself said. Eventually even he had to acknowledge that he was in a disadvantageous position, so he challenged ''Royal Rumble'' winner JohnCena Wrestling/JohnCena for his ''[=WrestleMania=]'' title shot - and lost, in what many consider to be one of the most epic WWE matches ever shown on television. Only then did Punk give up on the title, moving on to his obsession with trying to end the career of TheUndertaker.
11th Oct '15 1:28:16 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''Meeting Daddy'' has as its title character an elderly Southerner (Lloyd Bridges in his final screen role) who is still proud to be a Confederate citizen (in spirit if not in fact) in the year 1998 (the year the movie was filmed), and is still flying the Confederate flag on his front porch. (The old man's prospective son-in-law, a writer from California, objects to the flag, but the old man emotionally manipulates him into putting it up for him.) When he sees activists on the TV news protesting against the Confederate flag, the old man grumpily calls them "outside agitators" - a term that by that point was about 30 years out-of-date, as it was an insult directed at Northerners who travelled to the South in the 1960s as civil-rights workers. (What's especially strange about this is that Daddy is old, but not ''that'' old; he was born ''long'' after the Civil War ended!)
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* ''Meeting Daddy'' ''Film/MeetingDaddy'' has as its title character an elderly Southerner (Lloyd Bridges in his final screen role) who is still proud to be a Confederate citizen (in spirit if not in fact) in the year 1998 (the year the movie was filmed), and is still flying the Confederate flag on his front porch. (The old man's prospective son-in-law, a writer from California, objects to the flag, but the old man emotionally manipulates him into putting it up for him.) When he sees activists on the TV news protesting against the Confederate flag, the old man grumpily calls them "outside agitators" - a term that by that point was about 30 years out-of-date, as it was an insult directed at Northerners who travelled to the South in the 1960s as civil-rights workers. (What's especially strange about this is that Daddy is old, but not ''that'' old; he was born ''long'' after the Civil War ended!)
11th Oct '15 1:07:21 PM Morgenthaler
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* In the 1989 BlackComedy ''Film/TheBurbs'', BruceDern plays a character who has trouble letting go of the VietnamWar, which had ended well over a decade before, despite being happily married and living in a prosperous neighborhood. While this is partly TruthInTelevision, the Dern character takes it to farcical extremes, behaving in paranoid "military" fashion constantly and [[SeriousBusiness referring to the silliest things in a grim manner]]. (Of course, [[spoiler: he and his only slightly less paranoid neighbors [[StrawmanHasAPoint turn out to be correct]] after all]].)
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* In the 1989 BlackComedy ''Film/TheBurbs'', BruceDern Creator/BruceDern plays a character who has trouble letting go of the VietnamWar, which had ended well over a decade before, despite being happily married and living in a prosperous neighborhood. While this is partly TruthInTelevision, the Dern character takes it to farcical extremes, behaving in paranoid "military" fashion constantly and [[SeriousBusiness referring to the silliest things in a grim manner]]. (Of course, [[spoiler: he and his only slightly less paranoid neighbors [[StrawmanHasAPoint turn out to be correct]] after all]].)
30th Aug '15 9:10:41 PM Red-Dead-Redeemer
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* When UsefulNotes/{{Baseball}} great Ty Cobb first came up from Georgia t join the Detroit Tigers in 1905, he was subjected to some light hazing, to which he responded violently. This led his teammate Sam Crawford to comment--verbatim--that Cobb was "still fighting the Civil War" in his mind, treating the other players as "damnyankees" before he even met them.[[note]]Truth be told, although even the biggest Tigers fan will admit that Cobb was a racist asshole, but most historians agree that his personal demons were a bigger driver of this than any Southern mindset.[[/note]]
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* When UsefulNotes/{{Baseball}} great Ty Cobb first came up from Georgia t to join the Detroit Tigers in 1905, he was subjected to some light hazing, to which he responded violently. This led his teammate Sam Crawford to comment--verbatim--that Cobb was "still fighting the Civil War" in his mind, treating the other players as "damnyankees" before he even met them.[[note]]Truth be told, although even the biggest Tigers fan will admit that Cobb was a racist asshole, but most historians agree that his personal demons were a bigger driver of this than any Southern mindset.[[/note]]
30th Aug '15 9:09:05 PM Red-Dead-Redeemer
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** In ''Literature/JohnnyGotHisGun'' (set about ten years later), the protagonist Joe recalls a Scottish soldier who refused to fight against a Bavarian regiment because they were led by [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupprecht,_Crown_Prince_of_Bavaria Crown Prince Rupert]], who held the Jacobite claim to the throne of England. He's amazed the soldier's superiors didn't just shoot him for treason; instead, they rotated him to the back of the trenches until the Bavarians themseleves were rotated out.
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** In ''Literature/JohnnyGotHisGun'' (set about ten years later), the protagonist Joe recalls a Scottish soldier who refused to fight against a Bavarian regiment because they were led by [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupprecht,_Crown_Prince_of_Bavaria Crown Prince Rupert]], who held the Jacobite claim to the throne of England. He's amazed the soldier's superiors didn't just shoot him for treason; instead, they rotated him to the back of the trenches until the Bavarians themseleves themselves were rotated out.

** In one episode, the boys get in an argument prior to preforming for the Union in a Civil WarReenactment, prompting Cartman to join the Confederacy. We he's made fun of for joining the losing side, he tries to one-up them by getting the performers so drunk they forget it's a reenactment and fight for real. Surprisingly, Cartman builds an army that comes very close to overturning the war. ** In another, the boys get entangled in a conspiracy started by America's oldest enemy: the British. When their invading armada get intercepted before it can reach American shores, the soldiers lament being "unable to end to RevolutionaryWar."
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** In one episode, the boys get in an argument prior to preforming performing for the Union in a [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar Civil WarReenactment, War]] [[Main/WarReenactors Reenactment]], prompting Cartman to join the Confederacy. We When he's made fun of for joining the losing side, he tries to one-up them by getting the performers so drunk they forget it's a reenactment and fight for real. Surprisingly, Cartman builds an army that comes very close to overturning the war. ** In another, the boys get entangled in a conspiracy started by America's oldest enemy: the British. When their invading armada get intercepted before it can reach American shores, the soldiers lament being "unable to end to RevolutionaryWar.the [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution Revolutionary War]]."

* Among [[UsefulNotes/{{Argentina}} Argentines,]] This attitude towards ''[[UsefulNotes/TheFalklandsWar Las Malvinas]]'' is so common that it borders on [[PlanetOfHats Hat]] status for the entire nation.
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* Among [[UsefulNotes/{{Argentina}} Argentines,]] This this attitude towards ''[[UsefulNotes/TheFalklandsWar Las Malvinas]]'' is so common that it borders on [[PlanetOfHats Hat]] status for the entire nation.

** After the Charleston church shooting perpetrated by Dylann Roof, sentiment quickly grew to remove the Confederate Flag from the Confederate memorial on the South Carolina statehouse grounds. That kicked off a trend of examining the use and sales of the flag, with several major retailers such as Amazon and Wal-Mart pulling merchandise. Other states have begun debating Confederate memorials and flags, and the United States Congress has even debated whether or not to allow Confederate flags on Confederate graves in national cemetaries. [[http://m.snopes.com/naacp-wants-stone-mountain-sandblasted/ Atlanta NAACP chapter president Richard Rose suggested that the relief sculpture at Stone Mountain Georgia be removed]]. Numerous rallies in support of the Confederate flag have been held in Southern states in reaction. Far from starting and ending with the removal of the flag from the monument in South Carolina, the debate over whether or not display of the flag at all is appropriate in the 21st Century has kicked into high gear once again.
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** After the Charleston church shooting perpetrated by Dylann Roof, sentiment quickly grew to remove the Confederate Flag from the Confederate memorial on the South Carolina statehouse grounds. That kicked off a trend of examining the use and sales of the flag, with several major retailers such as Amazon and Wal-Mart pulling merchandise. Other states have begun debating Confederate memorials and flags, and the United States Congress has even debated whether or not to allow Confederate flags on Confederate graves in national cemetaries.cemeteries. [[http://m.snopes.com/naacp-wants-stone-mountain-sandblasted/ Atlanta NAACP chapter president Richard Rose suggested that the relief sculpture at Stone Mountain Georgia be removed]]. Numerous rallies in support of the Confederate flag have been held in Southern states in reaction. Far from starting and ending with the removal of the flag from the monument in South Carolina, the debate over whether or not display of the flag at all is appropriate in the 21st Century has kicked into high gear once again.
13th Aug '15 12:38:28 AM jormis29
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NAACP has not requested anything, I repeat anything

** After the Charleston church shooting perpetrated by Dylann Roof, sentiment quickly grew to remove the Confederate Flag from the Confederate memorial on the South Carolina statehouse grounds. That kicked off a trend of examining the use and sales of the flag, with several major retailers such as Amazon and Wal-Mart pulling merchandise. Other states have begun debating Confederate memorials and flags, and the United States Congress has even debated whether or not to allow Confederate flags on Confederate graves in national cemetaries. The NAACP has requested that the relief sculpture at Stone Mountain Georgia be removed. Numerous rallies in support of the Confederate flag have been held in Southern states in reaction. Far from starting and ending with the removal of the flag from the monument in South Carolina, the debate over whether or not display of the flag at all is appropriate in the 21st Century has kicked into high gear once again.
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** After the Charleston church shooting perpetrated by Dylann Roof, sentiment quickly grew to remove the Confederate Flag from the Confederate memorial on the South Carolina statehouse grounds. That kicked off a trend of examining the use and sales of the flag, with several major retailers such as Amazon and Wal-Mart pulling merchandise. Other states have begun debating Confederate memorials and flags, and the United States Congress has even debated whether or not to allow Confederate flags on Confederate graves in national cemetaries. The [[http://m.snopes.com/naacp-wants-stone-mountain-sandblasted/ Atlanta NAACP has requested chapter president Richard Rose suggested that the relief sculpture at Stone Mountain Georgia be removed.removed]]. Numerous rallies in support of the Confederate flag have been held in Southern states in reaction. Far from starting and ending with the removal of the flag from the monument in South Carolina, the debate over whether or not display of the flag at all is appropriate in the 21st Century has kicked into high gear once again.
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