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27th May '17 2:01:35 PM nombretomado
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* In the 1989 BlackComedy ''Film/TheBurbs'', Creator/BruceDern plays a character who has trouble letting go of the VietnamWar, which had ended well over a decade before, despite being happily married and living in a prosperous neighborhood. While this is partly TruthInTelevision, the Dern character takes it to farcical extremes, behaving in paranoid "military" fashion constantly and [[SeriousBusiness referring to the silliest things in a grim manner]]. (Of course, [[spoiler: he and his only slightly less paranoid neighbors [[StrawmanHasAPoint turn out to be correct]] after all]].)

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* In the 1989 BlackComedy ''Film/TheBurbs'', Creator/BruceDern plays a character who has trouble letting go of the VietnamWar, UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, which had ended well over a decade before, despite being happily married and living in a prosperous neighborhood. While this is partly TruthInTelevision, the Dern character takes it to farcical extremes, behaving in paranoid "military" fashion constantly and [[SeriousBusiness referring to the silliest things in a grim manner]]. (Of course, [[spoiler: he and his only slightly less paranoid neighbors [[StrawmanHasAPoint turn out to be correct]] after all]].)
15th May '17 7:24:06 PM nombretomado
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* The main two political parties of the UsefulNotes/IrishPoliticalSystem are in many ways this, with Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael being directly descended from the Anti-Treaty and Pro-Treaty factions of Sinn Féin in the Irish Civil War. Both parties have since become in effect political machines, with personalities and historical and regional loyalties driving voting patterns more than policy. This is particularly true of Fianna Fáil, with its development into a "party of power" advancing the interests of the monied elite (starting around the premiership of [[UsefulNotes/ThePrimeMinistersOfIreland Charlie Haughey]], the wealth-obsessed Irish Nixon). Fine Gael has gained a few principles (becoming a Christian Democratic party with conservative views on social issues but with a more social view of economic policy, in line with Catholic social teaching), but as their longstanding alliance with Labour (with whom they strongly disagree on social policy and who are substantially to the left of them on economic policy) shows, they've historically only been marginally better than Fianna Fáil in this respect. (However, after the Ahern and Cowen FF administrations revealed some truly ''spectacular'' corruption on FF's part, people have been rethinking this conception.) The party calling itself Sinn Féin right now is TheRemnant of the original party left after Éamon de Valera led pragmatic Anti-Treaty members (who recognized they had been beaten) to found Fianna Fáil. This Sinn Féin continued fighting, with varying degrees of intensity (greatest during TheTroubles) until the early 2000s.

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* The main two political parties of the UsefulNotes/IrishPoliticalSystem are in many ways this, with Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael being directly descended from the Anti-Treaty and Pro-Treaty factions of Sinn Féin in the Irish Civil War. Both parties have since become in effect political machines, with personalities and historical and regional loyalties driving voting patterns more than policy. This is particularly true of Fianna Fáil, with its development into a "party of power" advancing the interests of the monied elite (starting around the premiership of [[UsefulNotes/ThePrimeMinistersOfIreland Charlie Haughey]], the wealth-obsessed Irish Nixon). Fine Gael has gained a few principles (becoming a Christian Democratic party with conservative views on social issues but with a more social view of economic policy, in line with Catholic social teaching), but as their longstanding alliance with Labour (with whom they strongly disagree on social policy and who are substantially to the left of them on economic policy) shows, they've historically only been marginally better than Fianna Fáil in this respect. (However, after the Ahern and Cowen FF administrations revealed some truly ''spectacular'' corruption on FF's part, people have been rethinking this conception.) The party calling itself Sinn Féin right now is TheRemnant of the original party left after Éamon de Valera led pragmatic Anti-Treaty members (who recognized they had been beaten) to found Fianna Fáil. This Sinn Féin continued fighting, with varying degrees of intensity (greatest during TheTroubles) UsefulNotes/TheTroubles) until the early 2000s.
16th Mar '17 6:28:49 PM FF32
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* An entire town in Brazil, called [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americana,_S%C3%A3o_Paulo Americana]], was founded by Confederates emigrating after losing the Civil War (and looking for a place where they could still hold slaves, as Brazil did not ban slavery until 1888). Descendants of the "Confederados" have lived there ever since.

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* An entire town in Brazil, called [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americana,_S%C3%A3o_Paulo org/wiki/Americana,_São_Paulo Americana]], was founded by Confederates emigrating after losing the Civil War (and looking for a place where they could still hold slaves, as Brazil did not ban slavery until 1888). Descendants of the "Confederados" have lived there ever since.
6th Jan '17 9:03:25 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/TheOuterLimits1995'': In the episode "Gettysburg", the main characters are two friends who are also [[WarReenactors American Civil War reenactors]]. While for one of them it's apparently just a hobby, the other one is somewhat obsessed with the legacy of the Confederacy and wishes they had won the war, arguing that the Confederate States embodied several other policies aside from slavery such as greater state rights. They are visited by a time traveler from the future who sends them both back in time to the actual Battle of Gettysburg so they can take part in it under the command of an unhinged Colonel to discover for themselves that WarIsHell and make them see the error of their ways. It turns out that [[spoiler:the Confederate fanboy would otherwise have assassinated the first black U.S. President at a Civil War memorial ceremony in 2013. He doesn't go through with this thanks to the time traveler's lesson, but the murder is instead committed by the Confederate Colonel when he's accidentally transported to the future in a CruelTwistEnding.]]
30th Dec '16 10:00:02 PM nombretomado
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** CMPunk enjoyed the longest single WWE Championship reign since the 1980s, at well over 400 days (November 2011 to January 2013). When he lost his title to TheRock after their match was restarted once it was proven that Wrestling/TheShield had intervened, Punk claimed that he'd been unfairly robbed of the title, that the Rock's victory was a farce, and that his record title run was continuing despite even what WWE itself said. Eventually even he had to acknowledge that he was in a disadvantageous position, so he challenged ''Royal Rumble'' winner Wrestling/JohnCena for his ''[=WrestleMania=]'' title shot - and lost, in what many consider to be one of the most epic WWE matches ever shown on television. Only then did Punk give up on the title, moving on to his obsession with trying to end the career of TheUndertaker.
** CurtisAxel was ambushed from behind by ErickRowan just as he was trying to enter the 2015 Royal Rumble Match. For ''nearly four months'' afterwards, he continued to insist that he had never been eliminated (because he hadn't been knocked over any of the top ropes of the ring) - and that he was "still in the Royal Rumble." Then someone ''did'' knock him over the ropes one night, but that still didn't shut him up, and he just went on acting as if he were still in the (by now long-over) Rumble Match, setting a "record time" of untold thousands of hours! Eventually his mind snapped to the point where he just started imitating HulkHogan, which led to his HeelFaceTurn.

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** CMPunk Wrestling/CMPunk enjoyed the longest single WWE Championship reign since the 1980s, at well over 400 days (November 2011 to January 2013). When he lost his title to TheRock Wrestling/TheRock after their match was restarted once it was proven that Wrestling/TheShield had intervened, Punk claimed that he'd been unfairly robbed of the title, that the Rock's victory was a farce, and that his record title run was continuing despite even what WWE itself said. Eventually even he had to acknowledge that he was in a disadvantageous position, so he challenged ''Royal Rumble'' winner Wrestling/JohnCena for his ''[=WrestleMania=]'' title shot - and lost, in what many consider to be one of the most epic WWE matches ever shown on television. Only then did Punk give up on the title, moving on to his obsession with trying to end the career of TheUndertaker.
** CurtisAxel Wrestling/CurtisAxel was ambushed from behind by ErickRowan Wrestling/ErickRowan just as he was trying to enter the 2015 Royal Rumble Match. For ''nearly four months'' afterwards, he continued to insist that he had never been eliminated (because he hadn't been knocked over any of the top ropes of the ring) - and that he was "still in the Royal Rumble." Then someone ''did'' knock him over the ropes one night, but that still didn't shut him up, and he just went on acting as if he were still in the (by now long-over) Rumble Match, setting a "record time" of untold thousands of hours! Eventually his mind snapped to the point where he just started imitating HulkHogan, which led to his HeelFaceTurn.
3rd Dec '16 6:12:16 PM Fireblood
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* Despite the last attempt by the House of Stuart's supporters to reclaim the throne [[HanoverStuartWars having been the Jacobite rising of 1745]], Jacobites exist to this day, and insist the Stuarts descendants are still the rightful kings of Britain.

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* Despite the last attempt by the House of Stuart's supporters to reclaim the throne [[HanoverStuartWars having been the Jacobite rising of 1745]], Jacobites exist to this day, and insist the Stuarts Stuarts' descendants are still the rightful kings of Britain.
3rd Dec '16 6:11:56 PM Fireblood
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* The TropeNamer is the Jacobite Rising of 1745, the [[HanoverStuartWars last attempt by the House of Stuart's supporters to reclaim the throne. Jacobites exist to this day, and continue to insist that the Stuarts descendants are in fact the rightful kings of Britain.

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* The TropeNamer is Despite the Jacobite Rising of 1745, the [[HanoverStuartWars last attempt by the House of Stuart's supporters to reclaim the throne. throne [[HanoverStuartWars having been the Jacobite rising of 1745]], Jacobites exist to this day, and continue to insist that the Stuarts descendants are in fact still the rightful kings of Britain.
3rd Dec '16 6:08:04 PM Fireblood
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* Some Russians still stubbornly fly the flag of the former Soviet Union. Much like with the Confederate flag, there is considerable debate over the legacy of the hammer and sickle. Some view it as a harmless symbol of socialism and/or Russian patriotism. Others believe it is a symbol of totalitarianism on par with the swastika. Bear in mind, many of the same are likely to carry pictures of [[{{UsefulNotes/JosefStalin Stalin]].

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* Some Russians still stubbornly fly the flag of the former Soviet Union. Much like with the Confederate flag, there is considerable debate over the legacy of the hammer and sickle. Some view it as a harmless symbol of socialism and/or Russian patriotism. Others believe it is a symbol of totalitarianism on par with the swastika. Bear in mind, many of the same are likely to carry pictures of [[{{UsefulNotes/JosefStalin [[{{UsefulNotes/JosefStalin}} Stalin]].




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* The TropeNamer is the Jacobite Rising of 1745, the [[HanoverStuartWars last attempt by the House of Stuart's supporters to reclaim the throne. Jacobites exist to this day, and continue to insist that the Stuarts descendants are in fact the rightful kings of Britain.
3rd Dec '16 6:05:23 PM Fireblood
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3rd Dec '16 6:03:39 PM Fireblood
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** After the Charleston church shooting perpetrated by Dylann Roof, sentiment quickly grew to remove the Confederate Flag from the Confederate memorial on the South Carolina statehouse grounds. That kicked off a trend of examining the use and sales of the flag, with several major retailers such as Amazon and Wal-Mart pulling merchandise. Other states have begun debating Confederate memorials and flags, and the United States Congress has even debated whether or not to allow Confederate flags on Confederate graves in national cemeteries. [[http://m.snopes.com/naacp-wants-stone-mountain-sandblasted/ Atlanta NAACP chapter president Richard Rose suggested that the relief sculpture at Stone Mountain Georgia be removed]]. Numerous rallies in support of the Confederate flag have been held in Southern states in reaction. Far from starting and ending with the removal of the flag from the monument in South Carolina, the debate over whether or not display of the flag at all is appropriate in the 21st Century has kicked into high gear once again.
* Some Russians still stubbornly fly the flag of the former Soviet Union. Much like with the Confederate flag, there is considerable debate over the legacy of the hammer and sickle. Some view it as a harmless symbol of socialism and/or Russian patriotism. Others believe it is a symbol of totalitarianism on par with the swastika.

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** After the Charleston church shooting perpetrated by Dylann Roof, sentiment quickly grew to remove the Confederate Flag flag from the Confederate memorial on the South Carolina statehouse grounds. That kicked off a trend of examining the use and sales of the flag, with several major retailers such as Amazon and Wal-Mart pulling merchandise. Other states have begun debating Confederate memorials and flags, and the United States Congress has even debated whether or not to allow Confederate flags on Confederate graves in national cemeteries. [[http://m.snopes.com/naacp-wants-stone-mountain-sandblasted/ Atlanta NAACP chapter president Richard Rose suggested that the relief sculpture at Stone Mountain Georgia be removed]]. Numerous rallies in support of the Confederate flag have been held in Southern states in reaction. Far from starting and ending with the removal of the flag from the monument in South Carolina, the debate over whether or not display of the flag at all is appropriate in the 21st Century has kicked into high gear once again.
* Some Russians still stubbornly fly the flag of the former Soviet Union. Much like with the Confederate flag, there is considerable debate over the legacy of the hammer and sickle. Some view it as a harmless symbol of socialism and/or Russian patriotism. Others believe it is a symbol of totalitarianism on par with the swastika. Bear in mind, many of the same are likely to carry pictures of [[{{UsefulNotes/JosefStalin Stalin]].



* The overwhelming majority of the Vietnamese diaspora identify themselves with the flag of the defunct South Vietnam, as most of them are refugees who fled from the communist victory in UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar. Some of them even consider the current Vietnamese flag (which was formerly the flag of North Vietnam) to be offensive. Meanwhile, the South Vietnamese flag is banned in the unified communist Vietnam.
* When UsefulNotes/{{Baseball}} great Ty Cobb first came up from Georgia to join the Detroit Tigers in 1905, he was subjected to some light hazing, to which he responded violently. This led his teammate Sam Crawford to comment--verbatim--that Cobb was "still fighting the Civil War" in his mind, treating the other players as "damnyankees" before he even met them.[[note]]Truth be told, although even the biggest Tigers fan will admit that Cobb was a racist asshole, but most historians agree that his personal demons were a bigger driver of this than any Southern mindset.[[/note]]

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* The overwhelming majority of the Vietnamese diaspora identify themselves with the flag of the defunct South Vietnam, as most of them are refugees who fled from after the communist victory in UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar. Some of them even consider the current Vietnamese flag (which was formerly the flag of North Vietnam) to be offensive. Meanwhile, the South Vietnamese flag is banned in the unified communist Vietnam.
* When UsefulNotes/{{Baseball}} great Ty Cobb first came up from Georgia to join the Detroit Tigers in 1905, he was subjected to some light hazing, to which he responded violently. This led his teammate Sam Crawford to comment--verbatim--that Cobb was "still fighting the Civil War" in his mind, treating the other players as "damnyankees" before he even met them.[[note]]Truth be told, although even the biggest Tigers fan will admit that Cobb was a racist asshole, but most historians agree that his personal demons were a bigger driver of this than any Southern mindset.[[/note]]
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