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27th Sep '17 10:13:28 AM Beaumain
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* 100 years later, RedOctober is still a hotly disputed political issue that often divides people and parties more than their actual political positions. Some, especially the communists, praise the victorious Red faction. But there's also a sizable fandom of the nationalist/monarchist White Movement, who believe the whole Russian Revolution was just a plan of German intelligence. Ironically, while communists and nationalists hate each other because of differing views on history, they actually share a lot of common ground, both being conservative, generally anti-Western and nostalgic of some past era, either Imperial Russia or Soviet Union.

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* 100 years later, RedOctober is still a hotly disputed political issue in Russia, that often divides people and parties more than their actual political positions. Some, especially the communists, praise the Lenin and his victorious Red faction. But there's also a sizable fandom of the nationalist/monarchist White Movement, who believe the whole Russian Revolution was just a plan of staged by German intelligence. intelligence, and consider Tsar Nicholas II a saint. Ironically, while communists and nationalists and communists hate each other because of differing views on history, they actually share a lot of common ground, both being conservative, generally anti-Western and nostalgic of some past era, either Imperial Russia or Soviet Union.
27th Sep '17 10:08:48 AM Beaumain
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* 100 years later, RussianCivilWar is still a hotly disputed political issue that often divides people and parties more than their actual political positions. Some, especially the communists, praise the victorious Red faction. But there's also a sizable fandom of the nationalist/monarchist White Movement who believe the whole Russian Revolution was a plan of German intelligence.

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* 100 years later, RussianCivilWar RedOctober is still a hotly disputed political issue that often divides people and parties more than their actual political positions. Some, especially the communists, praise the victorious Red faction. But there's also a sizable fandom of the nationalist/monarchist White Movement Movement, who believe the whole Russian Revolution was just a plan of German intelligence.
intelligence. Ironically, while communists and nationalists hate each other because of differing views on history, they actually share a lot of common ground, both being conservative, generally anti-Western and nostalgic of some past era, either Imperial Russia or Soviet Union.
27th Sep '17 10:02:25 AM Beaumain
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* 100 years later, RussianCivilWar is still a hotly disputed political issue that often divides people and parties more than their actual political positions. Some, especially the communists, praise the victorious Red faction. But there's also a sizable fandom of the nationalist/monarchist White Movement who believe the whole Russian Revolution was a plan of German intelligence.
27th Sep '17 9:56:01 AM Beaumain
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* Some Russians still stubbornly fly the flag of the former Soviet Union. Much like with the Confederate flag, there is considerable debate over the legacy of the hammer and sickle. Some view it as a harmless symbol of socialism and/or Russian patriotism. Others believe it is a symbol of totalitarianism on par with the swastika. Bear in mind, many of the same are likely to carry pictures of [[{{UsefulNotes/JosefStalin}} Stalin]].
* Some of the former East Bloc states. In Poland there are still people who resent the fall of the Bloc. Also see: WhyWereBummedCommunismFell.
8th Jul '17 11:38:31 AM nombretomado
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* Many people in the South like to display the Confederate flag, even sometimes in official places such as state buildings or on license plates. This [[FlameBait invariably causes controversy]] between those who see it as a matter of historical southern pride and those who take issue with its UnfortunateImplications. TheOtherWiki has a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America#Controversy whole article]] on the subject.

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* Many people in the South like to display the Confederate flag, even sometimes in official places such as state buildings or on license plates. This [[FlameBait invariably causes controversy]] between those who see it as a matter of historical southern pride and those who take issue with its UnfortunateImplications. TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki has a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America#Controversy whole article]] on the subject.
2nd Jul '17 11:05:50 AM nombretomado
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** Wrestling/CMPunk enjoyed the longest single WWE Championship reign since the 1980s, at well over 400 days (November 2011 to January 2013). When he lost his title to Wrestling/TheRock after their match was restarted once it was proven that Wrestling/TheShield had intervened, Punk claimed that he'd been unfairly robbed of the title, that the Rock's victory was a farce, and that his record title run was continuing despite even what WWE itself said. Eventually even he had to acknowledge that he was in a disadvantageous position, so he challenged ''Royal Rumble'' winner Wrestling/JohnCena for his ''[=WrestleMania=]'' title shot - and lost, in what many consider to be one of the most epic WWE matches ever shown on television. Only then did Punk give up on the title, moving on to his obsession with trying to end the career of TheUndertaker.

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** Wrestling/CMPunk enjoyed the longest single WWE Championship reign since the 1980s, at well over 400 days (November 2011 to January 2013). When he lost his title to Wrestling/TheRock after their match was restarted once it was proven that Wrestling/TheShield had intervened, Punk claimed that he'd been unfairly robbed of the title, that the Rock's victory was a farce, and that his record title run was continuing despite even what WWE itself said. Eventually even he had to acknowledge that he was in a disadvantageous position, so he challenged ''Royal Rumble'' winner Wrestling/JohnCena for his ''[=WrestleMania=]'' title shot - and lost, in what many consider to be one of the most epic WWE matches ever shown on television. Only then did Punk give up on the title, moving on to his obsession with trying to end the career of TheUndertaker.Wrestling/TheUndertaker.
27th May '17 2:01:35 PM nombretomado
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* In the 1989 BlackComedy ''Film/TheBurbs'', Creator/BruceDern plays a character who has trouble letting go of the VietnamWar, which had ended well over a decade before, despite being happily married and living in a prosperous neighborhood. While this is partly TruthInTelevision, the Dern character takes it to farcical extremes, behaving in paranoid "military" fashion constantly and [[SeriousBusiness referring to the silliest things in a grim manner]]. (Of course, [[spoiler: he and his only slightly less paranoid neighbors [[StrawmanHasAPoint turn out to be correct]] after all]].)

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* In the 1989 BlackComedy ''Film/TheBurbs'', Creator/BruceDern plays a character who has trouble letting go of the VietnamWar, UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, which had ended well over a decade before, despite being happily married and living in a prosperous neighborhood. While this is partly TruthInTelevision, the Dern character takes it to farcical extremes, behaving in paranoid "military" fashion constantly and [[SeriousBusiness referring to the silliest things in a grim manner]]. (Of course, [[spoiler: he and his only slightly less paranoid neighbors [[StrawmanHasAPoint turn out to be correct]] after all]].)
15th May '17 7:24:06 PM nombretomado
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* The main two political parties of the UsefulNotes/IrishPoliticalSystem are in many ways this, with Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael being directly descended from the Anti-Treaty and Pro-Treaty factions of Sinn Féin in the Irish Civil War. Both parties have since become in effect political machines, with personalities and historical and regional loyalties driving voting patterns more than policy. This is particularly true of Fianna Fáil, with its development into a "party of power" advancing the interests of the monied elite (starting around the premiership of [[UsefulNotes/ThePrimeMinistersOfIreland Charlie Haughey]], the wealth-obsessed Irish Nixon). Fine Gael has gained a few principles (becoming a Christian Democratic party with conservative views on social issues but with a more social view of economic policy, in line with Catholic social teaching), but as their longstanding alliance with Labour (with whom they strongly disagree on social policy and who are substantially to the left of them on economic policy) shows, they've historically only been marginally better than Fianna Fáil in this respect. (However, after the Ahern and Cowen FF administrations revealed some truly ''spectacular'' corruption on FF's part, people have been rethinking this conception.) The party calling itself Sinn Féin right now is TheRemnant of the original party left after Éamon de Valera led pragmatic Anti-Treaty members (who recognized they had been beaten) to found Fianna Fáil. This Sinn Féin continued fighting, with varying degrees of intensity (greatest during TheTroubles) until the early 2000s.

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* The main two political parties of the UsefulNotes/IrishPoliticalSystem are in many ways this, with Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael being directly descended from the Anti-Treaty and Pro-Treaty factions of Sinn Féin in the Irish Civil War. Both parties have since become in effect political machines, with personalities and historical and regional loyalties driving voting patterns more than policy. This is particularly true of Fianna Fáil, with its development into a "party of power" advancing the interests of the monied elite (starting around the premiership of [[UsefulNotes/ThePrimeMinistersOfIreland Charlie Haughey]], the wealth-obsessed Irish Nixon). Fine Gael has gained a few principles (becoming a Christian Democratic party with conservative views on social issues but with a more social view of economic policy, in line with Catholic social teaching), but as their longstanding alliance with Labour (with whom they strongly disagree on social policy and who are substantially to the left of them on economic policy) shows, they've historically only been marginally better than Fianna Fáil in this respect. (However, after the Ahern and Cowen FF administrations revealed some truly ''spectacular'' corruption on FF's part, people have been rethinking this conception.) The party calling itself Sinn Féin right now is TheRemnant of the original party left after Éamon de Valera led pragmatic Anti-Treaty members (who recognized they had been beaten) to found Fianna Fáil. This Sinn Féin continued fighting, with varying degrees of intensity (greatest during TheTroubles) UsefulNotes/TheTroubles) until the early 2000s.
16th Mar '17 6:28:49 PM FF32
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* An entire town in Brazil, called [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americana,_S%C3%A3o_Paulo Americana]], was founded by Confederates emigrating after losing the Civil War (and looking for a place where they could still hold slaves, as Brazil did not ban slavery until 1888). Descendants of the "Confederados" have lived there ever since.

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* An entire town in Brazil, called [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americana,_S%C3%A3o_Paulo org/wiki/Americana,_São_Paulo Americana]], was founded by Confederates emigrating after losing the Civil War (and looking for a place where they could still hold slaves, as Brazil did not ban slavery until 1888). Descendants of the "Confederados" have lived there ever since.
6th Jan '17 9:03:25 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/TheOuterLimits1995'': In the episode "Gettysburg", the main characters are two friends who are also [[WarReenactors American Civil War reenactors]]. While for one of them it's apparently just a hobby, the other one is somewhat obsessed with the legacy of the Confederacy and wishes they had won the war, arguing that the Confederate States embodied several other policies aside from slavery such as greater state rights. They are visited by a time traveler from the future who sends them both back in time to the actual Battle of Gettysburg so they can take part in it under the command of an unhinged Colonel to discover for themselves that WarIsHell and make them see the error of their ways. It turns out that [[spoiler:the Confederate fanboy would otherwise have assassinated the first black U.S. President at a Civil War memorial ceremony in 2013. He doesn't go through with this thanks to the time traveler's lesson, but the murder is instead committed by the Confederate Colonel when he's accidentally transported to the future in a CruelTwistEnding.]]
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