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10th Jul '16 11:43:22 AM nombretomado
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** Rare subversions tend to be in games which shade towards InteractiveFiction (where the PC is a fleshed-out character with their own personality) or towards WideOpenSandbox gaming (where the KarmaMeter and responses you choose in dialogue give your character personality. BioWare {{RPG}}s, especially the ''Franchise/BaldursGate'' and ''Franchise/MassEffect'' series, provide good examples.

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** Rare subversions tend to be in games which shade towards InteractiveFiction (where the PC is a fleshed-out character with their own personality) or towards WideOpenSandbox gaming (where the KarmaMeter and responses you choose in dialogue give your character personality. BioWare Creator/BioWare {{RPG}}s, especially the ''Franchise/BaldursGate'' and ''Franchise/MassEffect'' series, provide good examples.
26th Jun '16 10:37:32 AM nombretomado
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** Rare subversions tend to be in games which shade towards InteractiveFiction (where the PC is a fleshed-out character with their own personality) or towards WideOpenSandbox gaming (where the KarmaMeter and responses you choose in dialogue give your character personality. BioWare {{RPG}}s, especially the ''BaldursGate'' and ''Franchise/MassEffect'' series, provide good examples.

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** Rare subversions tend to be in games which shade towards InteractiveFiction (where the PC is a fleshed-out character with their own personality) or towards WideOpenSandbox gaming (where the KarmaMeter and responses you choose in dialogue give your character personality. BioWare {{RPG}}s, especially the ''BaldursGate'' ''Franchise/BaldursGate'' and ''Franchise/MassEffect'' series, provide good examples.
9th Apr '16 3:13:10 AM Morgenthaler
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Happens quite a bit in HighFantasy and [[MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness Science Fantasy]] series in general. The main hero shoulders the burden of being the standard [[TheHerosJourney Campbellian hero]], generally a standard white male protagonist who [[ComingOfAgeStory grows from a boy to a man]] to a MessianicArchetype. His companions' role in the plot is not so strictly defined, and are allowed to be quirky, flawed and hint at HiddenDepths.



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* Happens quite a bit in HighFantasy and [[MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness Science Fantasy]] series in general. The main hero shoulders the burden of being the standard [[TheHerosJourney Campbellian hero]], generally a standard white male protagonist who [[ComingOfAgeStory grows from a boy to a man]] to a MessianicArchetype. His companions' role in the plot is not so strictly defined, and are allowed to be quirky, flawed and hint at HiddenDepths.
** ''Literature/TheBelgariad''
** ''PrydainChronicles''
** ''Film/StarWars'': Poor Luke has never been as popular as [[TheLancer Han Solo]], [[MemeticBadass Boba Fett]], [[OldMaster Yoda]], or even [[RobotBuddy R2D2]].
** Simon R. Green's ''Literature/{{Deathstalker}}''
** ''TheLordOfTheRings'': Neither Frodo nor Aragorn really fits the StandardizedLeader type, but Frodo tends to be overshadowed by other members of the Fellowship.
** ''JasonAndTheArgonauts'': Apollonius of Rhodes' take was fresh-faced kid Jason with no exploits to his name, is put in charge of this all-star team of established Greek heroes. He can't help but come across as bland in comparison.
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* Happens quite a bit in HighFantasy and [[MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness Science Fantasy]] series in general. The main hero shoulders the burden of being the standard [[TheHerosJourney Campbellian hero]], generally a standard white male protagonist who [[ComingOfAgeStory grows from a boy to a man]] to a MessianicArchetype. His companions' role in the plot is not so strictly defined, and are allowed to be quirky, flawed and hint at HiddenDepths.
** ''Literature/TheBelgariad''
** ''PrydainChronicles''
** ''Film/StarWars'': Poor Luke has never been as popular as [[TheLancer Han Solo]], [[MemeticBadass Boba Fett]], [[OldMaster Yoda]], or even [[RobotBuddy R2D2]].
** Simon R. Green's ''Literature/{{Deathstalker}}''
** ''TheLordOfTheRings'': Neither Frodo nor Aragorn really fits the StandardizedLeader type, but Frodo tends to be overshadowed by other members of the Fellowship.
** ''JasonAndTheArgonauts'': Apollonius of Rhodes' take was fresh-faced kid Jason with no exploits to his name, is put in charge of this all-star team of established Greek heroes. He can't help but come across as bland in comparison.
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* ''Film/StarWars'': Poor Luke has never been as popular as [[TheLancer Han Solo]], [[MemeticBadass Boba Fett]], [[OldMaster Yoda]], or even [[RobotBuddy R2D2]].
* ''Film/JasonAndTheArgonauts'': Apollonius of Rhodes' take was fresh-faced kid Jason with no exploits to his name, is put in charge of this all-star team of established Greek heroes. He can't help but come across as bland in comparison.


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* ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'': Neither Frodo nor Aragorn really fits the StandardizedLeader type, but Frodo tends to be overshadowed by other members of the Fellowship.
26th Dec '15 12:11:20 PM CyberXIII
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* The nominal leader (the one wearing [[GogglesDoNothing the goggles]]) in any ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' series, especially [[Anime/DigimonAdventure Tai]]. They're usually the most courageous and have the [[DysfunctionJunction least issues]], though the later ones verge more on IdiotHero. Though this is notably averted with [[Anime/DigimonTamers Takato]] who is the drastic opposite in that he ''lacks'' any confidence at the beginning of the story, and does get a good part of development. Then there's [[Anime/DigimonXrosWars Taiki]] who is far by a super genius compared to the rest of the previous ones.

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* The nominal leader (the one wearing [[GogglesDoNothing the goggles]]) in any ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' series, especially [[Anime/DigimonAdventure Tai]].[[Anime/DigimonAdventure02 Davis]]. They're usually the most courageous and have the [[DysfunctionJunction least issues]], though the later ones verge more on IdiotHero. Though this is notably averted with [[Anime/DigimonTamers Takato]] who is the drastic opposite in that he ''lacks'' any confidence at the beginning of the story, and does get a good part of development. Then there's [[Anime/DigimonXrosWars Taiki]] who is far by a super genius compared to the rest of the previous ones.
27th Nov '15 10:31:04 AM nighttrainfm
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* Jake from ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}''. While he seems like this to his teammates, his inner conflicts resulting from his position and ShootTheDog tendencies make him a subversion of this trope. This is especially brought to light when he [[spoiler: orders his (Yeerk-infested) brother killed and starts committing war crimes against the Yeerks]].

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* Jake from ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}''. ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'':
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While he Jake seems like this to his teammates, his inner conflicts resulting from his position and ShootTheDog tendencies make him a subversion of this trope. This is especially brought to light when he [[spoiler: orders his (Yeerk-infested) brother killed and starts committing war crimes against the Yeerks]].Yeerks.]]
** Discussed as early as book 16 (of 54) - Cassie tries to convince Jake that he doesn't have to be like this 24/7, but he disagrees. If he admits that he's scared, then so can everyone else, at which point the whole team will be paralysed.
16th Nov '15 6:38:30 AM Gregzilla
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* Nightwing/Dick Grayson, possibly the default guy for leadership in the DC universe, subverts this astoundingly by being one of the most popular characters. It probably helps that he has a ''very'' long, detailed, and sometimes painful history of growing up as a sidekick, and whenever he works with Batman he seems fine with letting Bats take the lead.

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* Nightwing/Dick ComicBook/{{Nightwing}}[=/=]Dick Grayson, possibly the default guy for leadership in the DC universe, subverts this astoundingly by being one of the most popular characters. It probably helps that he has a ''very'' long, detailed, and sometimes painful history of growing up as a sidekick, and whenever he works with Batman he seems fine with letting Bats take the lead.



** He was almost killed during Infinite Crisis ''because''his death would send the most reverberations through the DCU due to all his friendships and relationships with the rest of the characters.

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** He was almost killed during Infinite Crisis ''because''his ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' ''because'' his death would send the most reverberations through the DCU due to all his friendships and relationships with the rest of the characters.
16th Nov '15 6:35:28 AM Gregzilla
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* Rand, the hero of TheWheelOfTime, is pretty bland. His two best friends have far more unique personalities.
** Rand is arguably a deconstruction of both this and TheChosenOne, since for much of the later part of the series, he was literally going insane as a result of all the pressure he was under. [[spoiler: He did finally get better, though, and now acts more like a wise beyond his years holy warrior than anything]].

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* Rand, the hero of TheWheelOfTime, Literature/TheWheelOfTime, is pretty bland. His two best friends have far more unique personalities.
** Rand is arguably
a deconstruction of both this and TheChosenOne, since for much of the later part of the series, aside from his comparatively bland personality outside of his friends, he was literally going insane as a result of all the pressure he was under. [[spoiler: He did finally get better, though, and now acts more like a wise beyond his years holy warrior than anything]].
2nd Nov '15 11:14:59 AM Berrenta
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[[TheLeader Leaders]] in fiction tend to have two simultaneous burdens on them both in and out of the story: outside of the story they must be TheEveryman as a reader's stand in; they can't be [[FeaturelessProtagonist too distinctive]] [[JackOfAllStats without alienating]] ''[[HeroicMime some]]'' audience members after all. So they end up sucking because [[ThisLoserIsYou we suck]]. Inside the story they have to bear the qualities necessary to lead. So [[FourTemperamentEnsemble their temperament]] must be [[TheKirk emotionally balanced]], [[StraightMan serious]] and [[GoodIsBoring morally upright]] to keep their teammates in check. Effectively, they don't have the ambiguity of the other heroes. You know that he's not going to fall to TheDarkSide or [[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin lose]], so his conflicts are less interesting than those not as protected by their morals or PlotArmor.

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[[TheLeader Leaders]] in fiction tend to have two simultaneous burdens on them both in and out of the story: outside of the story they must be TheEveryman as a reader's stand in; they can't be [[FeaturelessProtagonist too distinctive]] [[JackOfAllStats without alienating]] ''[[HeroicMime some]]'' audience members after all. So they end up sucking because [[ThisLoserIsYou we suck]]. Inside the story they have to bear the qualities necessary to lead. So [[FourTemperamentEnsemble their temperament]] must be [[TheKirk emotionally balanced]], [[StraightMan serious]] and [[GoodIsBoring morally upright]] upright to keep their teammates in check. Effectively, they don't have the ambiguity of the other heroes. You know that he's not going to fall to TheDarkSide or [[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin lose]], so his conflicts are less interesting than those not as protected by their morals or PlotArmor.
23rd Sep '15 10:11:06 AM Elfkaiser
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* Franchise/{{Superman}}, leader of the ''WesternAnimation/Superfriends''. He has [[FlyingBrick all sorts of superpowers]], to the point where nothing about him stands out particularly.

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* Franchise/{{Superman}}, leader of the ''WesternAnimation/Superfriends''.''WesternAnimation/{{Superfriends}}''. He has [[FlyingBrick all sorts of superpowers]], to the point where nothing about him stands out particularly.
20th Sep '15 10:47:18 PM MechWarrior
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** It's deliberately invoked in ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime'', and it's explicitly stated that Primes are expected to act like this.
*** To a certain degree, the trope is deconstructed. It mentioned several times that Optimus is a compassionate and noble leader but doesn't socialize much or have a sense of humor. Arcee and Bulkhead have said that the responsibility of being a leader [[TheChainsOfCommanding weighs heavily]] upon an individual. Ratchet points out that Optimus was different before he became a Prime and was similar to Jack. Apparently becoming a Prime alters one's personality to fit this trope.



** Originally in the first G1 cartoon Prime did have his silly moments, displaying a rather dry sense of humor and would occasionally partake in things like playing Basketball or being interested in studying human history (he and his bots were in stasis since the time of the dinosaurs until the 1980s so they missed out on nearly all of it). As the shows have gotten darker though this has gradually been paired down. Generally it depends on the status of Cybertron. If it's still alright, albeit suffering a war or energy crisis like G1 or Animated, Optimus will afford some lighthearted moments. If it's destroyed or an abandoned wasteland with no hope of recovery like Prime or the films, he's all business.

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** Originally *** For instance, it's deliberately invoked in ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime'', where it's explicitly stated that Primes are expected to act like this.
**** To a certain degree,
the first G1 cartoon trope is deconstructed in TFP. It mentioned several times that Optimus is a compassionate and noble leader but doesn't socialize much or have a sense of humor. Arcee and Bulkhead have said that the responsibility of being a leader [[TheChainsOfCommanding weighs heavily]] upon an individual. Ratchet points out that Optimus was different before he became a Prime and was similar to Jack. Apparently becoming a Prime alters one's personality to fit this trope.
** In the [[WesternAnimation/TheTransformers original cartoon]]
Prime did have his silly moments, displaying moments. He had a [[DeadpanSnarker rather dry dry]] sense of humor and humor, would occasionally partake in things like playing Basketball or being interested basketball, and held interest in studying human history history. (he and his bots 'bots were in stasis since prehistoric times and were awoken in the time of the dinosaurs until the 1980s 1980s, so they missed out on nearly all of it). it) As the shows have gotten darker though though, this has gradually been paired toned down. Generally it It usually depends on the status of Cybertron. If Cybertron; if it's still alright, albeit alright (albeit suffering a war or energy crisis like G1 or Animated, Animated), Optimus will afford some lighthearted moments. If it's destroyed or an abandoned wasteland with no hope of recovery like in Prime or the films, he's all business.
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