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18th Aug '16 8:56:24 PM redandready45
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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiG0AE8zdTU Confessions of a Republican]], a 1964 election campaign ad, a jittery Republican voter, played by actor William Bogert expresses his doubts about Barry Goldwater. It drops several about why voting for a guy just because he was a member of your party is bad if the guy acts irresponsible. While there was a clear bias in the message, the actor, William Bogert, was a real Republican expressing his fears about Goldwater. It was so powerful the 2016 Clinton made one referencing Donald Trump.
--> '''William Bogert''': If you vote for a man you don't believe, it's a lie.
18th Aug '16 7:13:55 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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-->'''Mr. Enter''': Oh, yeah. I forgot to mention another fallacy they brought up. Just because people want more cartoons that can appeal to adults doesn't mean ''anyone'' is taking ''anything'' from kids! I mean, kids can still watch ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Friendship is Magic]]'', ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'' and ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', et cetera. But that's what this episode is: one giant fallacy. ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'', I don't care [[AnimationAgeGhetto that you make a kid's show]]. I care [[TheyJustDidntCare that you're bad at it]], even under the apparent low, low standards [[UpToEleven of a kids show]]! Yep, kids will watch anything. They'll also eat anything. Should we let them eat lead paint chips? [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Sure, teaching kids that girls are inherently better than boys or that no one likes smart people or that you should avoid responsibility isn't going to make the lives of kids any worse.]] And I guess you want your kids constantly nagging for ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' toys. Kids might not have standards, which is why we need a little bit of extra care. [[DoubleStandard We do this in all other areas of childrens' lives. What makes entertainment the exception!?]]

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-->'''Mr. Enter''': Oh, yeah. I forgot to mention another fallacy they brought up. Just because people want more cartoons that can appeal to adults doesn't mean ''anyone'' is taking ''anything'' from kids! I mean, kids can still watch ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Friendship is Magic]]'', ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'' and ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', et cetera. But that's what this episode is: one giant fallacy. ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'', I don't care [[AnimationAgeGhetto that you make a kid's show]]. I care [[TheyJustDidntCare that you're bad at it]], it, even under the apparent low, low standards [[UpToEleven of a kids show]]! Yep, kids will watch anything. They'll also eat anything. Should we let them eat lead paint chips? [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Sure, teaching kids that girls are inherently better than boys or that no one likes smart people or that you should avoid responsibility isn't going to make the lives of kids any worse.]] And I guess you want your kids constantly nagging for ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' toys. Kids might not have standards, which is why we need a little bit of extra care. [[DoubleStandard We do this in all other areas of childrens' lives. What makes entertainment the exception!?]]
18th Aug '16 2:45:52 PM jdj42
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* [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd The Factual Feminist]] is a video series hosted by Christina Hoff Sommers that challenges the current state of the once revolutionary ideology. Each episode she releases drops an anvil in the form of extensive data, research, evidence, and {{Armor Piercing Question}}s:
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=45&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "gender wage gap" is an all too perpetuated myth.]] The information that supposedly proves this is based an outdated study that didn't take into account for just what fields of work people went into.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgrYVtYSCk&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=40&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "rape culture" panic]] is not only irrational, but also harmful for learning and working environments. This parroted concept is doing more than creating an atmosphere eerily similar to the Witch Hunts; it's devaluing actual cases of such abuses.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7Ii1I8wx0&index=10&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute She challenges the idea of]] {{Trigger}} "warnings" are not helpful, but harmful. All it does is foster avoidance, which in turn ''reinforces'' PTSD, when the best way of being rid of it is to gradually FaceYourFears. It only breeds fear among educators, who now have to put effort into avoiding ''[[FelonyMisdemeanor anything]]'' that could be "triggering".
** One ever-present anvil in her videos is to research your topics and get the facts for yourself, rather than parrot whatever your ideology is saying. Lack of research, sensationalism, or just plain factual incorrectness are all real threats one's ideals and the society in the world of information.
10th Aug '16 11:04:41 AM NoSpoilerz
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* [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd The Factual Feminist]] is a video series hosted by Christina Hoff Sommers that challenges the current state of the once revolutionary ideology. Each episode she releases drops an anvil in the form of extensive data, research, evidence, and {{Armor Piercing Question}}s:
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=45&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "gender wage gap" is an all too perpetuated myth.]] The information that supposedly proves this is based an outdated study that didn't take into account for just what fields of work people went into.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgrYVtYSCk&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=40&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "rape culture" panic]] is not only irrational, but also harmful for learning and working environments. This parroted concept is doing more than creating an atmosphere eerily similar to the Witch Hunts; it's devaluing actual cases of such abuses.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7Ii1I8wx0&index=10&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute She challenges the idea of]] {{Trigger}} "warnings" are not helpful, but harmful. All it does is foster avoidance, which in turn ''reinforces'' PTSD, when the best way of being rid of it is to gradually FaceYourFears. It only breeds fear among educators, who now have to put effort into avoiding ''[[FelonyMisdemeanor anything]]'' that could be "triggering".
** One ever-present anvil in her videos is to research your topics and get the facts for yourself, rather than parrot whatever your ideology is saying. Lack of research, sensationalism, or just plain factual incorrectness are all real threats one's ideals and the society in the world of information.
2nd Aug '16 3:41:33 PM Bush
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* ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'' is quite {{Anvilicious}} about its "religion is bad" message, especially Episode 69. However, it does this to show that if people can put aside their differences and work together against a common problem, everyone can benefit. It strongly criticizes fundamentalism, inequality, and the real-life religious persecution of LGBT people and women. The story is very critical of racism, which the author argues is closely tied to religion - which is [[CompletelyMissingThePoint rather ironic considering some people have called the story racist]].
** Tsali's story is pretty clearly a criticism of the CycleOfRevenge and what the resulting all-consuming lust for revenge can do to people. Not only does it completely ruin Tsali's own life in catastrophic ways, it also ends up ''ruining the entire Milky Way Galaxy''. The [[spoiler: betrayal of Tsali's mercenaries and his own little sister]] vividly describes the inevitable [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone moral]] and [[VillainousBreakdown mental collapse]] that genocide causes in its perpetrators [[spoiler: including Tsali himself eventually]], which is also RealityIsUnrealistic. Finally, [[spoiler: Hertia's resulting brutal HeelFaceDoorSlam]] shows the dangers of HeWhoFightsMonsters; it's very easy for justice to turn into [[ColdBloodedTorture cold-blooded revenge]].
** The background lore strongly condemns child abuse by not-so-subtly linking child abuse to religious beliefs.
** If the [[CrapsackWorld world is awful as it is]] and ReligionIsWrong, becoming a nihilist won't help anyone. [[TheAntiNihilist People should strive to make things better instead]].
30th Jul '16 3:43:13 PM nombretomado
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* In the {{Daria}}[=/=]ComicBook/{{Legion of Super-Heroes}} crossover ''[[http://thepaperpusher.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23667&p=329264#p329264 Bird With Black Wings]]'' (set in the CrapsackWorld that is the shared-world series ''Daylight'', set after a [[ApocalypseHow civilization-extinction level event caused by massive solar flares)]], the members of the Legion get into an debate on [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans whether they should revoke their rule on killing]]. The discussion is turned by [[DefrostingIceQueen Julia Carlyle]], who gives a PatrickStewartSpeech on how she, as a military officer, [[HumansAreWarriors has it in her job description to kill]], but [[WhatYouAreInTheDark how others expect the Legionnaires to hold fast to their standards, even in the toughest of times]]. She even paraphrases Creator/TomClancy in a CrowningMomentOfAwesome at the end of her speech:

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* In the {{Daria}}[=/=]ComicBook/{{Legion WesternAnimation/{{Daria}}[=/=]ComicBook/{{Legion of Super-Heroes}} crossover ''[[http://thepaperpusher.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23667&p=329264#p329264 Bird With Black Wings]]'' (set in the CrapsackWorld that is the shared-world series ''Daylight'', set after a [[ApocalypseHow civilization-extinction level event caused by massive solar flares)]], the members of the Legion get into an debate on [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans whether they should revoke their rule on killing]]. The discussion is turned by [[DefrostingIceQueen Julia Carlyle]], who gives a PatrickStewartSpeech on how she, as a military officer, [[HumansAreWarriors has it in her job description to kill]], but [[WhatYouAreInTheDark how others expect the Legionnaires to hold fast to their standards, even in the toughest of times]]. She even paraphrases Creator/TomClancy in a CrowningMomentOfAwesome at the end of her speech:
30th Jul '16 11:49:17 AM DialgaX
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* ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau'' deconstructions drive home the point that destroying a culture is still genocide, even if there were no deaths.
** Not to mention, many of them also unsubtly hammer home the point that negative emotions are just as important as positive emotions.
* ''Fanfic/PokeWars'' is ''extremely'' unsubtle about how WarIsHell and how starting a war for "righteous" reasons inevitably leads to suffering and death.
30th Jul '16 10:44:09 AM nombretomado
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* One episode of ''Monday Night Raw'' leading up to ''Unforgiven'' in September 2008 had ShawnMichaels drop an anvil that might, from some angles, appear a FamilyUnfriendlyAesop, but that is one that countless [[WideEyedIdealist Wide-Eyed Idealists]] out there desperately need to accept if they're ever going to get on with their lives. After ChrisJericho had smashed Shawn's head into a video screen and repeatedly jabbed him in the eye, half-blinding him and nearly ending his career, and then punched his wife Rebecca in the mouth and temporarily disfigured her - ''and'' had [[NeverMyFault refused to apologize for any of this]], claiming that Michaels had it all coming to him - Michaels asserted that some people are so wicked that they cannot possibly be forgiven, nor ever even want to be. And you can't just ignore them, because then they'll just keep going out to hurt countless more people; sometimes you ''must'' seek swift justice, severely punishing or even destroying a menacing human being. Of course, with Jericho's and Michaels's feud reaching its climax with the "Unsanctioned Match" at ''Unforgiven'' (in which both combatants relieved World Wrestling Entertainment from all legal responsibility for what they would do to each other), {{WWE}} [[BrokenAesop attempted to have it both ways]], having Michaels snap and beat Jericho unconscious, and then ''[[WhatTheHellHero continue]]'' to assault him even after it had become clear Jericho could no longer defend himself, until Michaels [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone finally managed to experience some remorse]]. Not to mention Jericho's appearance on ''Raw'' the night afterward, stripping down to show the still-unhealed welts on his upper torso where Michaels had [[ATasteOfTheLash thrashed him repeatedly with a strap]] and [[SarcasmMode "questioning"]] how a born-again Christian like Michaels [[JerkassHasAPoint could do such things]].

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* One episode of ''Monday Night Raw'' leading up to ''Unforgiven'' in September 2008 had ShawnMichaels drop an anvil that might, from some angles, appear a FamilyUnfriendlyAesop, but that is one that countless [[WideEyedIdealist Wide-Eyed Idealists]] out there desperately need to accept if they're ever going to get on with their lives. After ChrisJericho Wrestling/ChrisJericho had smashed Shawn's head into a video screen and repeatedly jabbed him in the eye, half-blinding him and nearly ending his career, and then punched his wife Rebecca in the mouth and temporarily disfigured her - ''and'' had [[NeverMyFault refused to apologize for any of this]], claiming that Michaels had it all coming to him - Michaels asserted that some people are so wicked that they cannot possibly be forgiven, nor ever even want to be. And you can't just ignore them, because then they'll just keep going out to hurt countless more people; sometimes you ''must'' seek swift justice, severely punishing or even destroying a menacing human being. Of course, with Jericho's and Michaels's feud reaching its climax with the "Unsanctioned Match" at ''Unforgiven'' (in which both combatants relieved World Wrestling Entertainment from all legal responsibility for what they would do to each other), {{WWE}} [[BrokenAesop attempted to have it both ways]], having Michaels snap and beat Jericho unconscious, and then ''[[WhatTheHellHero continue]]'' to assault him even after it had become clear Jericho could no longer defend himself, until Michaels [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone finally managed to experience some remorse]]. Not to mention Jericho's appearance on ''Raw'' the night afterward, stripping down to show the still-unhealed welts on his upper torso where Michaels had [[ATasteOfTheLash thrashed him repeatedly with a strap]] and [[SarcasmMode "questioning"]] how a born-again Christian like Michaels [[JerkassHasAPoint could do such things]].
26th Jul '16 11:20:00 AM humrh360
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* [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd The Factual Feminist]] is a video series hosted by Christina Hoff Sommers that challenges the current state of the once revolutionary ideology. Each episode she releases drops an anvil in the form of extensive data, research, evidence, and {{Armor Piercing Question}}s:
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=45&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "gender wage gap" is an all too perpetuated myth.]] The information that supposedly proves this is based an outdated study that didn't take into account for just what fields of work people went into.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgrYVtYSCk&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=40&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "rape culture" panic]] is not only irrational, but also harmful for learning and working environments. This parroted concept is doing more than creating an atmosphere eerily similar to the Witch Hunts; it's devaluing actual cases of such abuses.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7Ii1I8wx0&index=10&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute She challenges the idea of]] {{Trigger}} "warnings" are not helpful, but harmful. All it does is foster avoidance, which in turn ''reinforces'' PTSD, when the best way of being rid of it is to gradually FaceYourFears. It only breeds fear among educators, who now have to put effort into avoiding ''[[FelonyMisdemeanor anything]]'' that could be "triggering".
** One ever-present anvil in her videos is to research your topics and get the facts for yourself, rather than parrot whatever your ideology is saying. Lack of research, sensationalism, or just plain factual incorrectness are all real threats one's ideals and the society in the world of information.
* [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd The Factual Feminist]] is a video series hosted by Christina Hoff Sommers that challenges the current state of the once revolutionary ideology. Each episode she releases drops an anvil in the form of extensive data, research, evidence, and {{Armor Piercing Question}}s:
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=45&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "gender wage gap" is an all too perpetuated myth.]] The information that supposedly proves this is based an outdated study that didn't take into account for just what fields of work people went into.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgrYVtYSCk&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=40&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "rape culture" panic]] is not only irrational, but also harmful for learning and working environments. This parroted concept is doing more than creating an atmosphere eerily similar to the Witch Hunts; it's devaluing actual cases of such abuses.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7Ii1I8wx0&index=10&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute She challenges the idea of]] {{Trigger}} "warnings" are not helpful, but harmful. All it does is foster avoidance, which in turn ''reinforces'' PTSD, when the best way of being rid of it is to gradually FaceYourFears. It only breeds fear among educators, who now have to put effort into avoiding ''[[FelonyMisdemeanor anything]]'' that could be "triggering".
** One ever-present anvil in her videos is to research your topics and get the facts for yourself, rather than parrot whatever your ideology is saying. Lack of research, sensationalism, or just plain factual incorrectness are all real threats one's ideals and the society in the world of information.
15th Jul '16 9:32:48 PM nombretomado
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* In the "Forever" story arc of ''ComicBook/{{Powers}}'', [[spoiler:Christian Walker]] goes to show his abilities to AlbertEinstein, to ask what they are and where they came from. In their conversation afterwards, Einstein delivers an astoundingly good speech about the nature of the scientific attitude, and afterwards...

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* In the "Forever" story arc of ''ComicBook/{{Powers}}'', [[spoiler:Christian Walker]] goes to show his abilities to AlbertEinstein, UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein, to ask what they are and where they came from. In their conversation afterwards, Einstein delivers an astoundingly good speech about the nature of the scientific attitude, and afterwards...
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