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29th Apr '16 9:36:47 PM humrh360
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* [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd The Factual Feminist]] is a video series hosted by Christina Hoff Sommers that challenges the current state of the once revolutionary ideology. Each episode she releases drops an anvil in the form of extensive data, research, evidence, and {{Armor Piercing Question}}s:
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=45&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "gender wage gap" is an all too perpetuated myth.]] The information that supposedly proves this is based an outdated study that didn't take into account for just what fields of work people went into.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgrYVtYSCk&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=40&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "rape culture" panic]] is not only irrational, but also harmful for learning and working environments. This parroted concept is doing more than creating an atmosphere eerily similar to the Witch Hunts; it's devaluing actual cases of such abuses.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7Ii1I8wx0&index=10&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute She challenges the idea of]] {{Trigger}} "warnings" are not helpful, but harmful. All it does is foster avoidance, which in turn ''reinforces'' PTSD, when the best way of being rid of it is to gradually FaceYourFears. It only breeds fear among educators, who now have to put effort into avoiding ''[[FelonyMisdemeanor anything]]'' that could be "triggering". And among the feminists who demand trigger warnings, it makes them look like [[WomenAreDelicate weak and helpless]] [[ManChild children]], not adults.
** One ever-present anvil in her videos is to research your topics and get the facts for yourself, rather than parrot whatever your ideology is saying. Lack of research, sensationalism, or just plain factual incorrectness are all real threats one's ideals and the society in the world of information.
28th Apr '16 2:29:02 PM Jeduthun
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This is also the rationale of many a PublicServiceAnnouncement, and at least the intention of a PropagandaPiece.
21st Apr '16 4:01:53 PM Jeduthun
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When an anvil needed to be dropped, but it wasn't, you have LostAesop. If they just dropped the wrong one, it's a BrokenAesop. If they dropped one thinking it was this but everyone in the audience had already gotten the point, it's a CaptainObviousAesop.

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When an anvil needed to be dropped, but it wasn't, you have LostAesop. If they just dropped the wrong one, it's a BrokenAesop. If they thought the anvil needed to be dropped one thinking it was this but everyone in the audience had already gotten the point, it's believed it already, that's a CaptainObviousAesop.
21st Apr '16 3:57:59 PM Jeduthun
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When an anvil needed to be dropped, but it wasn't, you have LostAesop. If they just dropped the wrong one, it's a BrokenAesop.

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When an anvil needed to be dropped, but it wasn't, you have LostAesop. If they just dropped the wrong one, it's a BrokenAesop.
BrokenAesop. If they dropped one thinking it was this but everyone in the audience had already gotten the point, it's a CaptainObviousAesop.
20th Apr '16 4:17:18 PM IzzyMaleficent
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* [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd The Factual Feminist]] is a video series hosted by Christina Hoff Sommers that challenges the current state of the once revolutionary ideology. Each episode she releases drops an anvil in the form of extensive data, research, evidence, and {{Armor Piercing Question}}s:
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=45&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "gender wage gap" is an all too perpetuated myth.]] The information that supposedly proves this is based an outdated study that didn't take into account for just what fields of work people went into.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgrYVtYSCk&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=40&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "rape culture" panic]] is not only irrational, but also harmful for learning and working environments. This parroted concept is doing more than creating an atmosphere eerily similar to the Witch Hunts; it's devaluing actual cases of such abuses.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7Ii1I8wx0&index=10&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute She challenges the idea of]] {{Trigger}} "warnings" are not helpful, but harmful. All it does is foster avoidance, which in turn ''reinforces'' PTSD, when the best way of being rid of it is to gradually FaceYourFears. It only breeds fear among educators, who now have to put effort into avoiding ''[[FelonyMisdemeanor anything]]'' that could be "triggering". And among the feminists who demand trigger warnings, it makes them look like [[WomenAreDelicate weak and helpless]] [[ManChild children]], not adults.
** One ever-present anvil in her videos is to research your topics and get the facts for yourself, rather than parrot whatever your ideology is saying. Lack of research, sensationalism, or just plain factual incorrectness are all real threats one's ideals and the society in the world of information.
26th Mar '16 1:49:34 PM HeraldAlberich
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->''"If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack."''

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->''"If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a time--a tremendous whack."''



An {{Anvilicious}} work is one that has [[AnAesop a moral message]] and makes it as subtle as an anvil dropped on the viewer's head. But sometimes, a work can be Anvilicious [[TropesAreTools without suffering in the process]]. Some works not only pull it off gracefully, but are effective ''because'' of the Anvil -- and not in a SoBadItsGood way, either. Often seen in {{Reconstruction}}s.

Other times, the anvil comes across very blatant, which might turn off some viewers, but in the era which the story is told, the message itself is more important than the story or allegory it is presented in. Consider, for instance, Harriet Beecher-Stowe's "Uncle Tom's Cabin" and its anvilicious message "slavery is bad". It is not a subtle message and generally not considered great literature. However, it came when at least a large minority of whites imagined that slavery was good for black people. Effective anti-slavery propaganda was badly needed. That anvilicious, sentimental piece of propaganda may have done more real good than any piece of great literature. The same can be said about Chaplin's "Great Dictator" and its anvilicious "Hitler is bad" message or Orwell's "Animal Farm" and "1984" with its anvilicious "Totalitarianism is bad" message.

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An {{Anvilicious}} work is one that has [[AnAesop a moral message]] and makes it as subtle as an anvil dropped on the viewer's head. But sometimes, a work can be Anvilicious [[TropesAreTools without suffering in the process]]. Some works not only pull it off gracefully, but are effective ''because'' of the Anvil -- and Anvil--and not in a SoBadItsGood way, either. Often seen in {{Reconstruction}}s.

Other times, the anvil comes across very blatant, which might turn off some viewers, but in the era which the story is told, the message itself is more important than the story or allegory it is presented in. Consider, for instance, Harriet Beecher-Stowe's "Uncle Tom's Cabin" ''Literature/UncleTomsCabin'' and its anvilicious message "slavery is bad". It is not a subtle message and generally not considered great literature. However, it came when at least a large minority of whites imagined that slavery was good for black people. Effective anti-slavery propaganda was badly needed. That anvilicious, sentimental piece of propaganda may have done more real good than any piece of great literature. The same can be said about Chaplin's "Great Dictator" ''Film/TheGreatDictator'' and its anvilicious "Hitler is bad" message or Orwell's "Animal Farm" ''Literature/AnimalFarm'' and "1984" ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' with its their anvilicious "Totalitarianism is bad" message.
24th Mar '16 3:53:00 AM konekootome
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* ''FanFic/{{Shatterheart}}'' drops the message that regardless whether your love is destined or was the most important person, you can always move on and find in [[SecondLove your heart to love someone else.]] Syaoran was literally destined for Sakura and the plot of the story started with [[TheDulcineaEffect his dedication to save her.]] With her being gone for years and the journey to rescue her brought Syaoran nothing but misery until he begins to fall for Kurogane. The decision is painful but Syaoran decide to move from Sakura and to be with Kurogane and is better off for it. [[spoiler: Syaoran's father and Sakura herself are both shocked by this but accept it as Syaoran is truly happy.]]
** Don't take your loved ones for granted. Fai learns this painfully when his anger and bitterness over Clone!Syaoran's betrayal and Kurogane's UnwantedRescue nearly drove Real!Syaoran and Kurogane away from. To make matters worse, his feelings for Kurogane go unrequited as Kurogane falls in love with Real!Syaoran. Fai has to work hard to make amends for what he did but they do forgive him and do not abandon him as he feared, seeing his genuine remorse.
22nd Mar '16 3:40:25 AM 06tele
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* The web series ''WebVideo/AskASlave'', in which writer/actress Azie Dungey responds in character as 18th century slave Lizzie Mae to questions about her life, can come across as rather heavy-handed, in that a lot of the questions Lizzie Mae gets asked betray stunning ignorance of history, or terrible insensitivity to the reality of slavery, and a lot of the time, Lizzie Mae can only respond with mild sarcasm or a disapproving eyebrow raise. However, most of the questions (and nearly all the really stupid ones) were asked in real life: Dungey used to work as a slave re-enactor at the Mount Vernon Museum, and she turned her frustration with being asked so many dumb questions into a web series. The fact that people in the 21st century could ask, in all seriousness, "How did you get to be housemaid for such a distinguished Founding Father? Did you read the advertisement in the newspaper?" is...depressing.
5th Mar '16 9:24:02 PM nombretomado
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** Another version was done in ''ComicBook/WhatIf'' #44, which involved CaptainAmerica being revived 'today' -- or, at least, well after a [[RedScare virulently anti-Communist]] version had laid claim to the shield and turned America into a rather unpleasant place to live. The resulting fight between the real CaptainAmerica and the John Birch Society knockoff was immediately followed by Cap delivering a WhatTheHellHero to the '''entire country'''.
--> '''CaptainAmerica:''' ''Without its [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism ideals]] -- its commitment to the freedom of all men, [[EagleLand America]] is a piece of trash!''

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** Another version was done in ''ComicBook/WhatIf'' #44, which involved CaptainAmerica Captain America being revived 'today' -- or, at least, well after a [[RedScare virulently anti-Communist]] version had laid claim to the shield and turned America into a rather unpleasant place to live. The resulting fight between the real CaptainAmerica Captain America and the John Birch Society knockoff was immediately followed by Cap delivering a WhatTheHellHero to the '''entire country'''.
--> '''CaptainAmerica:''' '''Captain America:''' ''Without its [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism ideals]] -- its commitment to the freedom of all men, [[EagleLand America]] is a piece of trash!''



* ''Truth: Red, White & Black'' is very heavy-handed with its depiction of racism in the 1940's, but of course, the racism in that era was quite ferocious and appalling by today's standards. The actual plot, wherein we learn that the US government tested CaptainAmerica's [[SuperSerum Super Soldier Serum]] on a group of black soldiers, was directly inspired by the horrific [[http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2002/jul/tuskegee/ Tuskegee syphilis experiment]].

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* ''Truth: Red, White & Black'' is very heavy-handed with its depiction of racism in the 1940's, but of course, the racism in that era was quite ferocious and appalling by today's standards. The actual plot, wherein we learn that the US government tested CaptainAmerica's ComicBook/CaptainAmerica's [[SuperSerum Super Soldier Serum]] on a group of black soldiers, was directly inspired by the horrific [[http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2002/jul/tuskegee/ Tuskegee syphilis experiment]].
3rd Mar '16 7:43:33 AM humrh360
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** Still on the subject of ''Spider-Man'', though for the [[ComicBook/MilesMorales Miles Morales incarnation]], comes a moment where during a fight Miles' ruined costume reveals his skin color (though thankfully not his identity), and footage of this was uploaded on the internet by a girl who promptly start making a massive deal over the idea of a [[CaptainEthnic "Black Spider-Man"]]. Miles is understandably miffed by this, because for starters he's half-Hispanic and, although he doesn't put in the exact words, [[PositiveDiscrimination he doesn't want to be recognized simply for his race.]]

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** Still on the subject of ''Spider-Man'', though for the [[ComicBook/MilesMorales Miles Morales incarnation]], comes a moment where during a fight Miles' ruined costume reveals his skin color (though thankfully not his identity), and footage of this was uploaded on the internet by a girl who promptly start making a massive deal over the idea of a [[CaptainEthnic "Black Spider-Man"]]. Miles is understandably miffed by this, because for starters he's half-Hispanic and, although he doesn't put in the exact words, [[PositiveDiscrimination he doesn't want to be recognized simply for his race.race]] [[SkewedPriorities because it ignores all his accomplishments and actions in favor of something so trivial as skin color.]]
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