History Main / SomeAnvilsNeedtoBeDropped

27th Jun '16 9:19:31 AM ShorinBJ
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Other times, the anvil comes across very blatant, which might turn off some viewers, but in the era which the story is told, the message itself is more important than the story or allegory it is presented in. Consider, for instance, Harriet Beecher-Stowe's ''Literature/UncleTomsCabin'' and its anvilicious message "slavery is bad". It is not a subtle message and generally not considered great literature. However, it came when at least a large minority of whites imagined that slavery was good for black people. Effective anti-slavery propaganda was badly needed. That anvilicious, sentimental piece of propaganda may have done more real good than any piece of great literature. The same can be said about Chaplin's ''Film/TheGreatDictator'' and its anvilicious "Hitler is bad" message or Orwell's ''Literature/AnimalFarm'' and ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' with their anvilicious "Totalitarianism is bad" message.

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Other times, the anvil comes across very blatant, which might turn off some viewers, but in the era which the story is told, the message itself is more important than the story or allegory it is presented in. Consider, for instance, Harriet Beecher-Stowe's ''Literature/UncleTomsCabin'' and its anvilicious message "slavery is bad". It is not a subtle message and generally not considered great literature. However, it came when at least a large minority (if not a majority) of whites imagined that slavery was good for black people. Effective anti-slavery propaganda was badly needed. That anvilicious, sentimental piece of propaganda may have done more real good than any piece of great literature. The same can be said about Chaplin's ''Film/TheGreatDictator'' and its anvilicious "Hitler is bad" message or Orwell's ''Literature/AnimalFarm'' and ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'' with their anvilicious "Totalitarianism is bad" message.
26th Jun '16 12:39:56 PM MagBas
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-->'''Mr. Enter''': Oh, yeah. I forgot to mention another fallacy they brought up. Just because people want more cartoons that can appeal to adults doesn't mean ''anyone'' is taking ''anything'' from kids! I mean, kids can still watch ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Friendship is Magic]]'', ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'' and ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', et cetera. But that's what this episode is: one giant fallacy. ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'', I don't care [[AnimationAgeGhetto that you make a kid's show]]. I care [[TheyJustDidntCare that you're bad at it]], [[Horrible/WesternAnimation even under the apparent low, low standards]] [[UpToEleven of a kids show]]! Yep, kids will watch anything. They'll also eat anything. Should we let them eat lead paint chips? [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Sure, teaching kids that girls are inherently better than boys or that no one likes smart people or that you should avoid responsibility isn't going to make the lives of kids any worse.]] And I guess you want your kids constantly nagging for ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' toys. Kids might not have standards, which is why we need a little bit of extra care. [[DoubleStandard We do this in all other areas of childrens' lives. What makes entertainment the exception!?]]

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-->'''Mr. Enter''': Oh, yeah. I forgot to mention another fallacy they brought up. Just because people want more cartoons that can appeal to adults doesn't mean ''anyone'' is taking ''anything'' from kids! I mean, kids can still watch ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Friendship is Magic]]'', ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'' and ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', et cetera. But that's what this episode is: one giant fallacy. ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'', I don't care [[AnimationAgeGhetto that you make a kid's show]]. I care [[TheyJustDidntCare that you're bad at it]], [[Horrible/WesternAnimation even under the apparent low, low standards]] standards [[UpToEleven of a kids show]]! Yep, kids will watch anything. They'll also eat anything. Should we let them eat lead paint chips? [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Sure, teaching kids that girls are inherently better than boys or that no one likes smart people or that you should avoid responsibility isn't going to make the lives of kids any worse.]] And I guess you want your kids constantly nagging for ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' toys. Kids might not have standards, which is why we need a little bit of extra care. [[DoubleStandard We do this in all other areas of childrens' lives. What makes entertainment the exception!?]]
23rd Jun '16 12:35:24 PM captainpat
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* [[CleopatraNose Cleopatra's Nose.]] An anvil that can't be dropped hard enough: You don't need to look like everyone else to be beautiful. You have to look like you to be beautiful.

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* [[CleopatraNose Cleopatra's Nose.]] Nose. An anvil that can't be dropped hard enough: You don't need to look like everyone else to be beautiful. You have to look like you to be beautiful.
21st Jun '16 2:21:26 AM jdj42
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* The web series ''WebVideo/AskASlave'', in which writer/actress Azie Dungey responds in character as 18th century slave Lizzie Mae to questions about her life, can come across as rather heavy-handed, in that a lot of the questions Lizzie Mae gets asked betray stunning ignorance of history, or terrible insensitivity to the reality of slavery, and a lot of the time, Lizzie Mae can only respond with mild sarcasm or a disapproving eyebrow raise. However, most of the questions (and nearly all the really stupid ones) were asked in real life: Dungey used to work as a slave re-enactor at the Mount Vernon Museum, and she turned her frustration with being asked so many dumb questions into a web series. The fact that people in the 21st century could ask, in all seriousness, "How did you get to be housemaid for such a distinguished Founding Father? Did you read the advertisement in the newspaper?" is...depressing.
* [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd The Factual Feminist]] is a video series hosted by Christina Hoff Sommers that challenges the current state of the once revolutionary ideology. Each episode she releases drops an anvil in the form of extensive data, research, evidence, and {{Armor Piercing Question}}s:
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=45&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "gender wage gap" is an all too perpetuated myth.]] The information that supposedly proves this is based an outdated study that didn't take into account for just what fields of work people went into.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgrYVtYSCk&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=40&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "rape culture" panic]] is not only irrational, but also harmful for learning and working environments. This parroted concept is doing more than creating an atmosphere eerily similar to the Witch Hunts; it's devaluing actual cases of such abuses.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7Ii1I8wx0&index=10&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute She challenges the idea of]] {{Trigger}} "warnings" are not helpful, but harmful. All it does is foster avoidance, which in turn ''reinforces'' PTSD, when the best way of being rid of it is to gradually FaceYourFears. It only breeds fear among educators, who now have to put effort into avoiding ''[[FelonyMisdemeanor anything]]'' that could be "triggering".
** One ever-present anvil in her videos is to research your topics and get the facts for yourself, rather than parrot whatever your ideology is saying. Lack of research, sensationalism, or just plain factual incorrectness are all real threats one's ideals and the society in the world of information.

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* The web series ''WebVideo/AskASlave'', in which writer/actress Azie Dungey responds in character as 18th century slave Lizzie Mae to questions about her life, can come across as rather heavy-handed, in that a lot of the questions Lizzie Mae gets asked betray stunning ignorance of history, or terrible insensitivity to the reality of slavery, and a lot of the time, Lizzie Mae can only respond with mild sarcasm or a disapproving eyebrow raise. However, most of the questions (and nearly all the really stupid ones) were asked in real life: Dungey used to work as a slave re-enactor at the Mount Vernon Museum, and she turned her frustration with being asked so many dumb questions into a web series. The fact that people in the 21st century could ask, in all seriousness, "How did you get to be housemaid for such a distinguished Founding Father? Did you read the advertisement in the newspaper?" is...depressing.
* [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd The Factual Feminist]] is a video series hosted by Christina Hoff Sommers that challenges the current state of the once revolutionary ideology. Each episode she releases drops an anvil in the form of extensive data, research, evidence, and {{Armor Piercing Question}}s:
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=45&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "gender wage gap" is an all too perpetuated myth.]] The information that supposedly proves this is based an outdated study that didn't take into account for just what fields of work people went into.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgrYVtYSCk&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=40&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "rape culture" panic]] is not only irrational, but also harmful for learning and working environments. This parroted concept is doing more than creating an atmosphere eerily similar to the Witch Hunts; it's devaluing actual cases of such abuses.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7Ii1I8wx0&index=10&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute She challenges the idea of]] {{Trigger}} "warnings" are not helpful, but harmful. All it does is foster avoidance, which in turn ''reinforces'' PTSD, when the best way of being rid of it is to gradually FaceYourFears. It only breeds fear among educators, who now have to put effort into avoiding ''[[FelonyMisdemeanor anything]]'' that could be "triggering".
** One ever-present anvil in her videos is to research your topics and get the facts for yourself, rather than parrot whatever your ideology is saying. Lack of research, sensationalism, or just plain factual incorrectness are all real threats one's ideals and the society in the world of information.
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19th Jun '16 8:29:52 PM nombretomado
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** His run on {{Thunderbolts}} is basically him railing against the aftermath of ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' - "No, the police should ''not'' be living tactical weapons roaming the streets looking for someone to wail on."

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** His run on {{Thunderbolts}} ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}} is basically him railing against the aftermath of ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' - "No, the police should ''not'' be living tactical weapons roaming the streets looking for someone to wail on."
5th Jun '16 9:18:08 AM humrh360
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* "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2_8cfVpXbo Put Em Down]]", an episode of the WebAnimation/CyanideandHappiness web animation, is a big fat TakeThat at UsefulNotes/Otherkin (with a healthy dose of BlackComedy), but also doesn't hold back at faulting both the mother and the son: the son for being a ManChild insisting that he's a [[MrImagination tri-gender pyro-fox named Fire Dash]] and doing nothing for the sake of his own agency when her mother tries to get him euthanized; and the mother for letting her ParentalNeglect foster her son's delusions until it's too late to simply pull him out, yet not wanting to go through the trouble of getting real help for him. [[CrossesTheLineTwice Then she puts him in trash bag and tosses him into a river.]]

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* "[[https://www.*"[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2_8cfVpXbo Put Em Down]]", an episode of the WebAnimation/CyanideandHappiness WebAnimation/CyanideAndHappiness web animation, is a big fat TakeThat at UsefulNotes/Otherkin UsefulNotes/{{Otherkin}} (with a healthy dose of BlackComedy), but also doesn't hold back at faulting both the mother and the son: the son for being a ManChild insisting that he's a [[MrImagination tri-gender pyro-fox named Fire Dash]] and doing nothing for the sake of his own agency when her mother tries to get him euthanized; and the mother for letting her ParentalNeglect foster her son's delusions until it's too late to simply pull him out, yet not wanting to go through the trouble of getting real help for him. [[CrossesTheLineTwice Then she puts him in trash bag and tosses him into a river.]]
5th Jun '16 9:16:52 AM humrh360
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*"[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2_8cfVpXbo Put Em Down]]", an episode of the WebAnimation/CyanideandHappiness web animation, is a big fat TakeThat at UsefulNotes/Otherkin (with a healthy dose of BlackComedy), but also doesn't hold back at faulting both the mother and the son: the son for being a ManChild insisting that he's a [[MrImagination tri-gender pyro-fox named Fire Dash]] and doing nothing for the sake of his own agency when her mother tries to get him euthanized; and the mother for letting her ParentalNeglect foster her son's delusions until it's too late to simply pull him out, yet not wanting to go through the trouble of getting real help for him. [[CrossesTheLineTwice Then she puts him in trash bag and tosses him into a river.]]
31st May '16 12:07:39 PM Ntroper
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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7Ii1I8wx0&index=10&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute She challenges the idea of]] {{Trigger}} "warnings" are not helpful, but harmful. All it does is foster avoidance, which in turn ''reinforces'' PTSD, when the best way of being rid of it is to gradually FaceYourFears. It only breeds fear among educators, who now have to put effort into avoiding ''[[FelonyMisdemeanor anything]]'' that could be "triggering". And among the feminists who demand trigger warnings, it makes them look like [[WomenAreDelicate weak and helpless]] [[ManChild children]], not adults.

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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7Ii1I8wx0&index=10&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute She challenges the idea of]] {{Trigger}} "warnings" are not helpful, but harmful. All it does is foster avoidance, which in turn ''reinforces'' PTSD, when the best way of being rid of it is to gradually FaceYourFears. It only breeds fear among educators, who now have to put effort into avoiding ''[[FelonyMisdemeanor anything]]'' that could be "triggering". And among the feminists who demand trigger warnings, it makes them look like [[WomenAreDelicate weak and helpless]] [[ManChild children]], not adults.
31st May '16 12:03:03 PM Ntroper
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* [[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd The Factual Feminist]] is a video series hosted by Christina Hoff Sommers that challenges the current state of the once revolutionary ideology. Each episode she releases drops an anvil in the form of extensive data, research, evidence, and {{Armor Piercing Question}}s:
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=45&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "gender wage gap" is an all too perpetuated myth.]] The information that supposedly proves this is based an outdated study that didn't take into account for just what fields of work people went into.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKgrYVtYSCk&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&index=40&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute The "rape culture" panic]] is not only irrational, but also harmful for learning and working environments. This parroted concept is doing more than creating an atmosphere eerily similar to the Witch Hunts; it's devaluing actual cases of such abuses.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC7Ii1I8wx0&index=10&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd&ab_channel=AmericanEnterpriseInstitute She challenges the idea of]] {{Trigger}} "warnings" are not helpful, but harmful. All it does is foster avoidance, which in turn ''reinforces'' PTSD, when the best way of being rid of it is to gradually FaceYourFears. It only breeds fear among educators, who now have to put effort into avoiding ''[[FelonyMisdemeanor anything]]'' that could be "triggering". And among the feminists who demand trigger warnings, it makes them look like [[WomenAreDelicate weak and helpless]] [[ManChild children]], not adults.
** One ever-present anvil in her videos is to research your topics and get the facts for yourself, rather than parrot whatever your ideology is saying. Lack of research, sensationalism, or just plain factual incorrectness are all real threats one's ideals and the society in the world of information.
29th May '16 3:16:07 PM Unicorndance
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An {{Anvilicious}} work is one that has [[AnAesop a moral message]] and makes it as subtle as an anvil dropped on the viewer's head. But sometimes, a work can be Anvilicious [[TropesAreTools without suffering in the process]]. Some works not only pull it off gracefully, but are effective ''because'' of the Anvil--and not in a SoBadItsGood way, either. Often seen in {{Reconstruction}}s.

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An {{Anvilicious}} work is one that has [[AnAesop a moral message]] and makes it as subtle as an anvil dropped on the viewer's head.head, in other words not subtle at all. But sometimes, a work can be Anvilicious [[TropesAreTools without suffering in the process]]. Some works not only pull it off gracefully, but are effective ''because'' of the Anvil--and not in a SoBadItsGood way, either. Often seen in {{Reconstruction}}s.
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