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8th Jan '17 11:57:27 AM Morgenthaler
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* Grace from ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'', even though she's smart and learns quickly. In part because she was raised by mad scientists and so has NoSocialSkills and remains {{facepalm}}ingly [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-12-01 naive in some areas]], in part because [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-07-26 she thinks]] messing with people is funny -- and it's not quite clear which case is which. One side of this was her smooth transition from InnocentFanserviceGirl to TheTease playing InnocentFanserviceGirl for her boyfriend. That said, when she's naive she's REALLY naive. A big part of her storyline is [[spoiler: letting a Hitler expy escape, although he ends up dead anyway. When she later learns about WorldWar2 and what she almost allowed to happen, it nearly breaks her.]]

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* Grace from ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'', even though she's smart and learns quickly. In part because she was raised by mad scientists and so has NoSocialSkills and remains {{facepalm}}ingly [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2011-12-01 naive in some areas]], in part because [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2010-07-26 she thinks]] messing with people is funny -- and it's not quite clear which case is which. One side of this was her smooth transition from InnocentFanserviceGirl to TheTease playing InnocentFanserviceGirl for her boyfriend. That said, when she's naive she's REALLY naive. A big part of her storyline is [[spoiler: letting a Hitler expy escape, although he ends up dead anyway. When she later learns about WorldWar2 UsefulNotes/WorldWar2 and what she almost allowed to happen, it nearly breaks her.]]
10th Dec '16 11:20:49 AM StFan
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* Max from ''SamAndMax''. At times, he's making lewd sexual come-ons and innuendo about sadomasochism, masturbation and drug use; at other times, he's a childlike ChasteHero who doesn't even understand the biological differences between men and women. It's lampshaded in his ImageSong in the Telltale games, which flat-out calls him "a sandwich of naivety and cynicism."
** This tendency gets lampshaded every so often, when Max will ask when he can find nubile young women, and Sam will say "Max, you don't even like girls." Also, as the trope description indicates, ''SamAndMax'' has quite a bit of NegativeContinuity going, to the point that Sam and Max will sometimes mix up each other's names.

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* Max from ''SamAndMax''.''ComicBook/SamAndMaxFreelancePolice''. At times, he's making lewd sexual come-ons and innuendo about sadomasochism, masturbation and drug use; at other times, he's a childlike ChasteHero who doesn't even understand the biological differences between men and women. It's lampshaded in his ImageSong in the Telltale games, which flat-out calls him "a sandwich of naivety and cynicism."
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" This tendency gets lampshaded every so often, when Max will ask when he can find nubile young women, and Sam will say "Max, you don't even like girls." Also, as the trope description indicates, ''SamAndMax'' has quite a bit of NegativeContinuity going, to the point that Sam and Max will sometimes mix up each other's names.






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* This is a distinct problem in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' stories when authors try to balance Naruto's origins as an IdiotHero with him naturally becoming wiser and more well informed as time goes on.
** In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5012103/1/That-Look That Look]]'', Naruto ping-pongs from coming up with clever strategies and surprising insight to needing to be told why a reservoir holding seventy percent of Suna's water is a prime target, despite knowing Suna is in the middle of a desert.

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* This is a distinct problem in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' stories when authors try to balance Naruto's origins as an IdiotHero with him naturally becoming wiser and more well informed as time goes on.
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on. In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5012103/1/That-Look That Look]]'', Naruto ping-pongs from coming up with clever strategies and surprising insight to needing to be told why a reservoir holding seventy percent of Suna's water is a prime target, despite knowing Suna is in the middle of a desert.




* Besides his famous SherlockHolmes stories, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a series of humorous adventure stories about LargeHam Napoleonic soldier Brigadier Gerard. In some stories, Gerard is rather clever and appears competent despite his inflated opinion of himself. On the other hand, he is a dolt in others and very much an UnreliableNarrator.
* [[Literature/JeevesAndWooster Bertie Wooster]] constantly wavers between "mildly ditzy" and "hopelessly idiotic," the guiding rule seeming to be "[[RuleOfFunny whatever is funniest in the current situation]]." For instance, he'll briefly become LiteralMinded, despite the fact that he frequently uses analogies and common expressions himself.

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\n* Besides his famous SherlockHolmes ''Franchise/SherlockHolmes'' stories, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a series of humorous adventure stories about LargeHam Napoleonic soldier Brigadier Gerard. In some stories, Gerard is rather clever and appears competent despite his inflated opinion of himself. On the other hand, he is a dolt in others and very much an UnreliableNarrator.
* [[Literature/JeevesAndWooster ''Literature/JeevesAndWooster'': Bertie Wooster]] Wooster constantly wavers between "mildly ditzy" and "hopelessly idiotic," the guiding rule seeming to be "[[RuleOfFunny whatever is funniest in the current situation]]." For instance, he'll briefly become LiteralMinded, despite the fact that he frequently uses analogies and common expressions himself.



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--> '''Summer:''' Kidding, I'm not stupid, just shallow.
* The 'bots on ''[[Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000 MST3K]]'' do this on purpose to mess with Joel and Mike.

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--> '''Summer:''' -->'''Summer:''' Kidding, I'm not stupid, just shallow.
* The 'bots on ''[[Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000 MST3K]]'' ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'' do this on purpose to mess with Joel and Mike.



* In ''[[Series/ThirdRockFromTheSun 3rd Rock From The Sun]]'', the aliens' knowledge of Earth. One particular example is a second-season episode in which it's mentioned that Sally is going bowling. A fourth-season episode had her going bowling for the first time and not even knowing what it was. For the first two seasons, the Solomons were terrified of Jell-O (thinking it was a dangerous alien entity) yet in a first-season episode Sally mentions making "Jell-O with cheese." Dick is sometimes supremely sarcastic, but at other times he doesn't seem to be able to recognize sarcasm and interprets everything literally.
** A particularly severe example is the episode when, very late in the show's run, and after hundreds of scenes in restaurants, the aliens finally figure out what "tipping" is.
* Happens all the time on ''Series/{{House}}'', with characters who have known the eponymous {{Jerkass}} doctor for ''years'' expressing varying levels of shock every time he does something insane or unethical, to the point that the one time somebody reacted some other way instead, it was a symptom of a [[spoiler:horrible brain-eating parasite]]. These same characters, however, will at other times act familiar with his behavior patterns, usually for a gag. All of the above also applies to his rudeness toward patients and tendency to [[EurekaMoment pull the correct diagnosis seemingly out of nowhere just when things look bleakest]].

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* In ''[[Series/ThirdRockFromTheSun 3rd Rock From The Sun]]'', ''Series/ThirdRockFromTheSun'', the aliens' knowledge of Earth. One particular example is a second-season episode in which it's mentioned that Sally is going bowling. A fourth-season episode had her going bowling for the first time and not even knowing what it was. For the first two seasons, the Solomons were terrified of Jell-O (thinking it was a dangerous alien entity) yet in a first-season episode Sally mentions making "Jell-O with cheese." Dick is sometimes supremely sarcastic, but at other times he doesn't seem to be able to recognize sarcasm and interprets everything literally.
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literally. A particularly severe example is the episode when, very late in the show's run, and after hundreds of scenes in restaurants, the aliens finally figure out what "tipping" is.
* ''Series/{{House}}'':
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Happens all the time on ''Series/{{House}}'', time, with characters who have known the eponymous {{Jerkass}} doctor for ''years'' expressing varying levels of shock every time he does something insane or unethical, to the point that the one time somebody reacted some other way instead, it was is a symptom of a [[spoiler:horrible brain-eating parasite]]. These same characters, however, will at other times act familiar with his behavior patterns, usually for a gag. All of the above also applies to his rudeness toward patients and tendency to [[EurekaMoment pull the correct diagnosis seemingly out of nowhere just when things look bleakest]].



* Played for laughs, a lot, with Liz Lemon on ''[[Series/ThirtyRock 30 Rock]]''. She's the head writer for a comedy show that mocks pop culture in one scene, and then she'll pull out archaic slang like "discotheque" un-ironically in the next.

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* Played for laughs, a lot, with Liz Lemon on ''[[Series/ThirtyRock 30 Rock]]''.''Series/ThirtyRock''. She's the head writer for a comedy show that mocks pop culture in one scene, and then she'll pull out archaic slang like "discotheque" un-ironically in the next.



* In another alien example: [[Series/MorkAndMindy Mork]]. One moment he mentions he still doesn't know where babies come from, the next he's making subtle sexual innuendos. This is probably the result of Creator/RobinWilliams sticking to the script half the time and GettingCrapPastTheRadar for the other half. It got particularly bad in the second season when [[ExecutiveMeddling ABC wanted Mork to become more "hip"]].

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* ''Series/MorkAndMindy'': In another alien example: [[Series/MorkAndMindy Mork]].Mork. One moment he mentions he still doesn't know where babies come from, the next he's making subtle sexual innuendos. This is probably the result of Creator/RobinWilliams sticking to the script half the time and GettingCrapPastTheRadar for the other half. It got particularly bad in the second season when [[ExecutiveMeddling ABC wanted Mork to become more "hip"]].



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* Celia of ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' gives this vibe. The first time we see her, despite the protections of the castle, she's uncomfortable at the growing dangers of her job and was a sentence away from ditching it. Then she's convinced by Nale that she's 1000 years into the future (although that actually was plausible in context). Then she's a Savvy Lawyer. Then she fails to realize that humans don't have inherent lightning powers. Then she realizes that murdering their way through the hobgoblins would only alert them to the Resistance's presence. Now she's down again, as she's now incapable of recognizing the dangers of a really bad city, can't seem to grasp the bad intentions of the Golem maker, and just lost Roy's bones.
** Same comic, different character: It's hard to tell if Elan in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0597.html this strip (spoilers)]] is showing PingPongNaivete, ObfuscatingStupidity, or just [[ThePollyanna not believing a teammate would really harm him]] .
*** Elan does this pretty often; he usually isn't competent at much besides [[PungeonMaster punning]] and tends to [[IdiotHero miss obvious things for the sake of humor]], but he occasionally [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0816.html picks up on things that flew over the heads of his smarter friends]] for no apparent reason.

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* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'':
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Celia of ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' gives this vibe. The first time we see her, despite the protections of the castle, she's uncomfortable at the growing dangers of her job and was is a sentence away from ditching it. Then she's convinced by Nale that she's 1000 years into the future (although that actually was is plausible in context). Then she's a Savvy Lawyer. Then she fails to realize that humans don't have inherent lightning powers. Then she realizes that murdering their way through the hobgoblins would only alert them to the Resistance's presence. Now she's down again, as she's now incapable of recognizing the dangers of a really bad city, can't seem to grasp the bad intentions of the Golem maker, and just lost Roy's bones.
** Same comic, different character: It's hard to tell if Elan in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0597.html this strip (spoilers)]] is showing PingPongNaivete, ObfuscatingStupidity, or just [[ThePollyanna not believing a teammate would really harm him]] .
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him]]. Elan does this pretty often; he usually isn't competent at much besides [[PungeonMaster punning]] and tends to [[IdiotHero miss obvious things for the sake of humor]], but he occasionally [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0816.html picks up on things that flew over the heads of his smarter friends]] for no apparent reason.



* The titular character of ''Webcomic/LegendOfMaxx'' occasionally qualifies. He's generally stupid and has a tendency to Main/LeeroyJenkins into everything, but there are times where he proves to be somewhat competent, and he makes very elaborate buildings.

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* The titular character of ''Webcomic/LegendOfMaxx'' ''Webcomic/TheLegendOfMaxx'' occasionally qualifies. He's generally stupid and has a tendency to Main/LeeroyJenkins into everything, but there are times where he proves to be somewhat competent, and he makes very elaborate buildings.



* In ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', due to being a 10-year-old boy, Bart fits the trope when it comes to things like sex, but that doesn't stop him from constantly making crude jokes and innuendo.
--> '''Bart''': What a beautiful day. The sun is shining, the birds are singing, the bees are trying to have sex with them, or so is my understanding.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', due ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'':
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to being a 10-year-old boy, Bart fits the trope when it comes to things like sex, but that doesn't stop him from constantly making crude jokes and innuendo.
--> '''Bart''': --->'''Bart:''' What a beautiful day. The sun is shining, the birds are singing, the bees are trying to have sex with them, or so is my understanding.
1st Dec '16 3:43:58 PM Morgenthaler
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* Nearly everybody on ''Series/{{Heroes}}'' displays this at some point. [[IdiotHero Peter and Mohinder]] are the most frequent, but even general {{BadAss}}es like Noah Bennet and Sylar have conveniently forgotten things they learned or should have figured out several episodes earlier.

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* Nearly everybody on ''Series/{{Heroes}}'' displays this at some point. [[IdiotHero Peter and Mohinder]] are the most frequent, but even general {{BadAss}}es badasses like Noah Bennet and Sylar have conveniently forgotten things they learned or should have figured out several episodes earlier.
15th Nov '16 2:57:55 AM Troperinik
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Kaeloo}}'': Stumpy is incredibly naïve at times, such as believing Mr. Cat when the latter told him that the way to make a baby was to hold your breath for two days, but one episode of Season 2 showed him to be extremely perverted.
10th Nov '16 7:21:12 PM MagnusForce
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** In "Halloween on Spooner Street," Brian discovers Stewie shooting at "monsters" with an assault rifle, only to ask him how he doesn't know what trick-or-treating is. Stewie asks Brian how he doesn't know that his reflection in the patio window isn't another dog.

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** In "Halloween on Spooner Street," Brian discovers Stewie shooting at "monsters" with an assault rifle, only to ask him how he doesn't know what trick-or-treating is. Stewie then asks Brian how he doesn't know that his reflection in the patio window isn't another dog.



* In ''WesternAnimation/MyLifeAsATeenageRobot'', Jenny's childish naivete and Brad's constant hovering between a savvy, nonchalant, typical teenager and a brash, bullheaded, over-eager, hero-wannabe.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/MyLifeAsATeenageRobot'', Jenny's childish naivete and Brad's constant Brad is constantly hovering between a savvy, nonchalant, typical teenager and a brash, bullheaded, over-eager, hero-wannabe.hero-wannabe. Jenny also varies between having a childish naivete to being reasonably sensible.
28th Oct '16 2:09:58 PM nombretomado
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* Prince Amiti in ''GoldenSunDarkDawn'' has a case of this due to being a ShelteredAristocrat. As a result, he zips back and forth between being the MetaGuy and being TheIngenue, sometimes within a single scene.

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* Prince Amiti in ''GoldenSunDarkDawn'' ''VideoGame/GoldenSunDarkDawn'' has a case of this due to being a ShelteredAristocrat. As a result, he zips back and forth between being the MetaGuy and being TheIngenue, sometimes within a single scene.
15th Oct '16 8:50:48 PM nombretomado
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* Both FanboyAndChumChum cater to this in various episodes. In one instance they're ridiculously annoying someone with their ADD-riddled antics, and later they're acting perfectly normal, usually when having to deal with a problem caused by someone that's not them.

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* Both FanboyAndChumChum WesternAnimation/FanboyAndChumChum cater to this in various episodes. In one instance they're ridiculously annoying someone with their ADD-riddled antics, and later they're acting perfectly normal, usually when having to deal with a problem caused by someone that's not them.
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* This is a distinct problem in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' stories when authors try to balance Naruto's origins as an IdiotHero with him naturally becoming wiser and more well informed as time goes on.
** In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5012103/1/That-Look That Look]]'', Naruto ping-pongs from coming up with clever strategies and surprising insight to needing to be told why a reservoir holding seventy percent of Suna's water is a prime target, despite knowing Suna is in the middle of a desert.
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26th May '16 8:41:41 PM Kid
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* Besides his famous SherlockHolmes stories, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a series of humorous adventure stories about LargeHam Napoleonic soldier Brigadier Gerard. While in some stories, Gerard is rather clever and appears competent despite his inflated opinion of himself. On the other hand, he is a dolt in others and very much an UnreliableNarrator.

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* Besides his famous SherlockHolmes stories, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a series of humorous adventure stories about LargeHam Napoleonic soldier Brigadier Gerard. While in In some stories, Gerard is rather clever and appears competent despite his inflated opinion of himself. On the other hand, he is a dolt in others and very much an UnreliableNarrator.
21st May '16 9:09:26 AM erforce
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* [[Series/DoctorWho The Doctor]], as a character trait. Even the Tenth Doctor, considerably more sexually/romantically inclined than most of them, had moments of being ObliviousToLove (sharing the bed with Martha in "The Shakespeare Code," being offered a phone number in "Partners in Crime").
** His naivité to Earth pop-culture in general, as well. In his earlier incarnations, he was definitely a FishOutOfWater, so that's fine. But now he's on his Eleventh incarnation, fanboys over famous human artists, and has made references to everything from Film/{{Ghostbusters}} to ''Disney/TheLionKing''. Which makes you wonder ''how'' he forgot what football/soccer was.

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* [[Series/DoctorWho The Doctor]], Doctor from ''Series/DoctorWho'', as a character trait. Even the Tenth Doctor, considerably more sexually/romantically inclined than most of them, had moments of being ObliviousToLove (sharing the bed with Martha in "The Shakespeare Code," being offered a phone number in "Partners in Crime").
** His naivité to Earth pop-culture in general, as well. In his earlier incarnations, he was definitely a FishOutOfWater, so that's fine. But now he's on his Eleventh incarnation, fanboys over famous human artists, and has made references to everything from Film/{{Ghostbusters}} ''Franchise/{{Ghostbusters}}'' to ''Disney/TheLionKing''. Which makes you wonder ''how'' he forgot what football/soccer was.
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