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Somewhere in the {{Backstory}}, two male friends are making their way in the world as ThoseTwoBadGuys, keeping up the {{Masquerade}} for the AncientConspiracy, going to war for TheEmpire or doing hits for TheSyndicate.

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* Yuri Lowell and Flynn Schifo of ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' fit this dynamic, with the imperial knights, type 3.
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* Spike and Vicious in ''Anime/CowboyBebop'' were originally both low level enforcers for the Red Dragon Syndicate. At some point after falling in love with Julia, Spike decided to leave the organization only for Vicious to find out and try to kill him. Since then Spike has wandered the solar system as a bounty hunter while Vicious rose through the ranks of the Syndicate.

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* Spike and Vicious in ''Anime/CowboyBebop'' were originally both low level enforcers for the Red Dragon Syndicate. At some point after falling in love with Julia, Spike decided to leave the organization only for Vicious to find out and try to kill him. Since then Spike has wandered the solar system as a bounty hunter while Vicious rose through the ranks of the Syndicate.Syndicate, eventually launching a coup to take control.
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%%* Spike and Vicious, ''Anime/CowboyBebop''

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%%* * Spike and Vicious, ''Anime/CowboyBebop''Vicious in ''Anime/CowboyBebop'' were originally both low level enforcers for the Red Dragon Syndicate. At some point after falling in love with Julia, Spike decided to leave the organization only for Vicious to find out and try to kill him. Since then Spike has wandered the solar system as a bounty hunter while Vicious rose through the ranks of the Syndicate.



%%* Mello and Near, ''Manga/DeathNote''
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%%* * Mello and Near, ''Manga/DeathNote''
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Near in ''Manga/DeathNote'' were both proteges of L. After his death they set out to avenge him by taking down Kira. While Near followed the same approach of allying with law enforcement as L, Mello followed a more vigilante route.
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Sasuke and ''Manga/{{Naruto}}''.the titular character of ''Manga/{{Naruto}}''. Sasuke abandoned Konoha to join the villainous Orochimaru while Naruto continued to serve their home village. At the end of the manga the trope is played straight when [[spoiler:Sasuke resolves to kill the Kages to purge the system of the corruption they represent while Naruto defends them despite the problems of the villages]].
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* Wesker and Birkin in ''Franchise/ResidentEvil'', though they remained friends and comrades.

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* Wesker and Birkin in ''Franchise/ResidentEvil'', though they remained friends and comrades. A slight variation on the usual trope since Wesker is, if anything, the more evil of the two, and his reasons for leaving Umbrella were entirely selfish and not based on any moral objections to the company's actions. Still, the scene where Wesker tries to convince Birkin to leave Umbrella plays a lot like this trope.
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* ''Literature/InAGoodCause'' starts its main narrative on Earth, at the tail end of a discussion that has turned the old friends Richard Altmayer and Geoffrey Stock into this, with Stock willing to set his Federalist[[note]]in the context of the story, Federalists are people who believe that humanity should unite into a single federation[[/note]] ideals aside and obey the draft for the war against the fellow human world of Santanni, while Altmayer refuses to fight against fellow humans. Stock then spends the rest of the story gradually rising in Earth's government in every timeskip, while Altmayer keeps getting himself arrested for various (attempted) stunts. [[spoiler: The end of the story reveals Stock never actually gave up on Federalism, and has been working for years within, and later at the head of, Earth's government to set up the right situation for the establishment of a United Worlds of humanity.]]
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* ''Literature/{{Worm}}'' has the relationship between Number Man and Jack Slash. Both were kept under the thumb of King, the original leader of the Slaughterhouse Nine, until they worked together to kill him. While Jack hated King he chose to rebuild the Nine so he could change the world via killing. Number Man chose to take a separate path, eventually joining Cauldron and working through them to change the world.

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* Adora and Catra in ''SheRaAndThePrincessesOfPower'', respectively. Catra is a pretty textbook Type 2, knowing full well the Horde is using them but wanting to use it right back to gain more power for herself. [[spoiler:She succeeds at the end of season 1, supplanting Shadow-Weaver as TheDragon to Lord Hordak.]]

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* Adora and Catra in ''SheRaAndThePrincessesOfPower'', respectively. Catra is a pretty textbook Type 2, knowing full well the Horde is using them but wanting to use it right back to gain more power for herself. [[spoiler:She succeeds at the end of season 1, supplanting Shadow-Weaver as TheDragon to Lord Hordak.]]
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* ''[[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons D&D 4th edition]]'' uses this trope for their new alignment system. Good characters are willing to overthrow corrupt governments, while Lawful Good characters prefer to change things from within.

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* ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' was this on a large scale, with ComicBook/CaptainAmerica leading the Outside faction while IronMan headed up the Inside. Officially, the pro-regs are Type 3 - trying to blunt Superhuman Registration from within - but there's a lot of DependingOnTheWriter and AlternateCharacterInterpretation here.

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* ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' was this on a large scale, with ComicBook/CaptainAmerica leading the Outside faction while IronMan ComicBook/IronMan headed up the Inside. Officially, the pro-regs are Type 3 - trying to blunt Superhuman Registration from within - but there's a lot of DependingOnTheWriter and AlternateCharacterInterpretation here.
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* He ''agrees'' with the objection, but feels that the only way things will change is if he can gain enough power within the organization.

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* The ''Man-Kzin Wars'' books, a multi-author spinoff of Larry Niven's Literature/KnownSpace Universe, have two major characters who seem to fit this trope. Claude, Harold, and Ingrid are three friends in a love triangle who join the planetary defense force just before invading Cat-Like Aliens ultimately succeed at conquering their human colony and holding it for a generation. Claude and Harold get left behind by Ingrid during the confusion of the military evacuation; when Ingrid comes back decades later (and still young thanks to time-dilation) as part of a covert operation, she needs to tap them as contacts but both Claude and Harold have long ago abandoned active resistance: Claude has chosen to cooperate with the occupation forces and became their chief of police in the Capitol, while Harold started a nightclub there and became a big player in the criminal underworld. Naturally, they've fallen out with each other to the point of practically being nemeses. Both of them originally sought their positions in the belief that they could 'do good' through them, but by now have become largely corrupt. Both of them are also still very angry at Ingrid for abandoning them, but both of them are tempted by the possibility of regaining their integrity and throwing of their alien masters- who are all too happy to kill and eat suspected 'feral' humans. The resolution is quite tumultuous.

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* The ''Man-Kzin Wars'' books, a multi-author spinoff of Larry Niven's Literature/KnownSpace Universe, ''Literature/ManKzinWars'' books have two major characters who seem to fit this trope. Claude, Harold, and Ingrid are three friends in a love triangle who join the planetary defense force just before invading Cat-Like Aliens ultimately succeed at conquering their human colony and holding it for a generation. Claude and Harold get left behind by Ingrid during the confusion of the military evacuation; when Ingrid comes back decades later (and still young thanks to time-dilation) as part of a covert operation, she needs to tap them as contacts but both Claude and Harold have long ago abandoned active resistance: Claude has chosen to cooperate with the occupation forces and became their chief of police in the Capitol, while Harold started a nightclub there and became a big player in the criminal underworld. Naturally, they've fallen out with each other to the point of practically being nemeses. Both of them originally sought their positions in the belief that they could 'do good' through them, but by now have become largely corrupt. Both of them are also still very angry at Ingrid for abandoning them, but both of them are tempted by the possibility of regaining their integrity and throwing of off their alien masters- who masters--who are all too happy to kill and eat suspected 'feral' humans. The resolution is quite tumultuous.
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%%* Brandon Heat and [=Harry MacDowell=] from ''{{Gungrave}}''.

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* Somewhat inverted in ''SuikodenII'', where both the main characters essentially start out as outside men, with one slowly working their way into the system to subvert it from within. The trope follows from there, though, as there are multiple points where the outside man begs the inside man to leave the evil empire, the inside man eventually overthrows the original leader and becomes the one in charge, and the entire scenario ends with a RedemptionEqualsDeath outcome. Well, unless you get the best ending, anyway.

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* The ''Man-Kzin Wars'' books, a multi-author spinoff of Larry Niven's KnownSpace Universe, have two major characters who seem to fit this trope. Claude, Harold, and Ingrid are three friends in a love triangle who join the planetary defense force just before invading Cat-Like Aliens ultimately succeed at conquering their human colony and holding it for a generation. Claude and Harold get left behind by Ingrid during the confusion of the military evacuation; when Ingrid comes back decades later (and still young thanks to time-dilation) as part of a covert operation, she needs to tap them as contacts but both Claude and Harold have long ago abandoned active resistance: Claude has chosen to cooperate with the occupation forces and became their chief of police in the Capitol, while Harold started a nightclub there and became a big player in the criminal underworld. Naturally, they've fallen out with each other to the point of practically being nemeses. Both of them originally sought their positions in the belief that they could 'do good' through them, but by now have become largely corrupt. Both of them are also still very angry at Ingrid for abandoning them, but both of them are tempted by the possibility of regaining their integrity and throwing of their alien masters- who are all too happy to kill and eat suspected 'feral' humans. The resolution is quite tumultuous.
* Nicholas Easter and Marlee in the John Grisham legal thriller ''TheRunawayJury'' as well as in the movie version. Nicholas got himself planted as a jury member to influence a court decision involving large corporations (in the book it was a tobacco company and in the film it was the firearms industry). Marlee was on the outside interacting with lawyers on both sides of the case. Their motivations and MO differ in the two media.

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* The ''Man-Kzin Wars'' books, a multi-author spinoff of Larry Niven's KnownSpace Literature/KnownSpace Universe, have two major characters who seem to fit this trope. Claude, Harold, and Ingrid are three friends in a love triangle who join the planetary defense force just before invading Cat-Like Aliens ultimately succeed at conquering their human colony and holding it for a generation. Claude and Harold get left behind by Ingrid during the confusion of the military evacuation; when Ingrid comes back decades later (and still young thanks to time-dilation) as part of a covert operation, she needs to tap them as contacts but both Claude and Harold have long ago abandoned active resistance: Claude has chosen to cooperate with the occupation forces and became their chief of police in the Capitol, while Harold started a nightclub there and became a big player in the criminal underworld. Naturally, they've fallen out with each other to the point of practically being nemeses. Both of them originally sought their positions in the belief that they could 'do good' through them, but by now have become largely corrupt. Both of them are also still very angry at Ingrid for abandoning them, but both of them are tempted by the possibility of regaining their integrity and throwing of their alien masters- who are all too happy to kill and eat suspected 'feral' humans. The resolution is quite tumultuous.
* Nicholas Easter and Marlee in the John Grisham legal thriller ''TheRunawayJury'' ''Literature/TheRunawayJury'' as well as in the movie version. Nicholas got himself planted as a jury member to influence a court decision involving large corporations (in the book it was a tobacco company and in the film it was the firearms industry). Marlee was on the outside interacting with lawyers on both sides of the case. Their motivations and MO differ in the two media.
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* ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' was this on a large scale, with CaptainAmerica leading the Outside faction while IronMan headed up the Inside. Officially, the pro-regs are Type 3 - trying to blunt Superhuman Registration from within - but there's a lot of DependingOnTheWriter and AlternateCharacterInterpretation here.

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* ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' was this on a large scale, with CaptainAmerica ComicBook/CaptainAmerica leading the Outside faction while IronMan headed up the Inside. Officially, the pro-regs are Type 3 - trying to blunt Superhuman Registration from within - but there's a lot of DependingOnTheWriter and AlternateCharacterInterpretation here.
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%%* Fushimi and Yata from ''Anime/{{K}}" are a semi-example, since neither side is good or bad, and neither side is the protagonist, either. Still, their relationship in the story revolves around how Yata feels betrayed that Fushimi left HOMRA and joined Scepter 4.
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* Denam and [[spoiler:Vyce]], at the end of chapter 1 in TacticsOgre. If you refuse your orders, he goes off to follow them "because it's the only way to win the war", leaving the other troops to kill you while he does so, and you fight him later. If you obey your orders (for the same reason), you become the Inside Man, and you'll have to fight [[spoiler:Vyce]] later under different circumstances.

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* Denam and [[spoiler:Vyce]], at the end of chapter 1 in TacticsOgre.''VideoGame/TacticsOgre''. If you refuse your orders, he goes off to follow them "because it's the only way to win the war", leaving the other troops to kill you while he does so, and you fight him later. If you obey your orders (for the same reason), you become the Inside Man, and you'll have to fight [[spoiler:Vyce]] later under different circumstances.
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* Variation: Akira Hojo and Chiaki Asami from the manga ''{{Sanctuary}}'' deliberately embrace this trope. Their plan to remake Japanese society calls for Hojo to rise to power as a {{Yakuza}}, providing under-the-table funding and "moral support" to Asami's career as a politician. (They played {{Janken}} to decide who would be who.)

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* Variation: Akira Hojo and Chiaki Asami from the manga ''{{Sanctuary}}'' ''Manga/{{Sanctuary}}'' deliberately embrace this trope. Their plan to remake Japanese society calls for Hojo to rise to power as a {{Yakuza}}, providing under-the-table funding and "moral support" to Asami's career as a politician. (They played {{Janken}} to decide who would be who.)
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%%* Spike and Vicious, ''CowboyBebop''
* Inversion: Knives and Vash, ''{{Trigun}}'' The 'organization' in this scenario is ''[[HumansAreBastards the human race]]'' and Knives evidently honestly believes himself to be the good guy. He puts together a more typical evil organization later on.

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* Inversion: Knives and Vash, ''{{Trigun}}'' ''Manga/{{Trigun}}'' The 'organization' in this scenario is ''[[HumansAreBastards the human race]]'' and Knives evidently honestly believes himself to be the good guy. He puts together a more typical evil organization later on.



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* On ''{{Lost}}'', [[spoiler: Jacob and Smoke-Monster play out something like this after Smokey discovers the woman that raised them had actually killed their real mother]]

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* ''[[DungeonsAndDragons D&D 4th edition]]'' uses this trope for their new alignment system. Good characters are willing to overthrow corrupt governments, while Lawful Good characters prefer to change things from within.

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* ''[[DungeonsAndDragons ''[[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons D&D 4th edition]]'' uses this trope for their new alignment system. Good characters are willing to overthrow corrupt governments, while Lawful Good characters prefer to change things from within.
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* Nicholas Easter and Marlee in the John Grisham legal thriller ''TheRunawayJury'' as well as in the movie version. Nicholas got himself planted as a jury member to influence a court decision involving large corporations (in the book it was a tobacco company and in the film it was the firearms industry. Marlee was on the outside interacting with lawyers on both sides of the case. Their motivations and MO differ in the two media.


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* Nicholas Easter and Marlee in the John Grisham legal thriller ''TheRunawayJury'' as well as in the movie version. Nicholas got himself planted as a jury member to influence a court decision involving large corporations (in the book it was a tobacco company and in the film it was the firearms industry.industry). Marlee was on the outside interacting with lawyers on both sides of the case. Their motivations and MO differ in the two media.

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* In ''Series/{{Nikita}}'' this is the dynamic between Nikita and Michael. Nikita rebels against Division when it kills her fiance while Micheal stays loyal as Percy's Dragon. To a lesser extant this also happens between Nikita and Birkhoff. They are good friends and Nikita wants him to join her in the fight against Division but Birkhoff is too scared of Percy.

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* In ''Series/{{Nikita}}'' this is the dynamic between Nikita and Michael. Nikita rebels against Division when it kills her fiance while Micheal stays loyal as Percy's Dragon. To a lesser extant this also happens between Nikita and Birkhoff. They are good friends and Nikita wants him to join her in the fight against Division but Birkhoff is too scared of Percy.
Percy. In season two they both join her, though Nikita's pupil Alex then takes over this dynamic.
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* Denam and [[spoiler:Vyce]], at the end of chapter 1 in TacticsOgre. If you refuse your orders, he goes off to follow them "because it's the only way to win the war", leaving the other troops to kill you while he does so, and you fight him later. If you obey your orders (for the same reason), you become the Inside Man, and you'll have to fight [[spoiler:Vyce]] later under different circumstances.

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