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3rd Oct '17 12:26:58 PM Augusto
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[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor Occam's Razor]] ([[https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor also featured]] on the Wiki/RationalWiki) is an epistemological razor[[note]]a logical principle that is used in deductive reasoning to evaluate threories[[/note]] first described in the 14th century by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Ockham William of Ockham]], an English Franciscan friar and philosopher. It is often used to evaluate the usefulness of a theory. Its main tenet is that "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity." It can be summed up with the phrase "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not unicorns."

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[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor Occam's Razor]] ([[https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor also featured]] on the listed]] by our good friends at Wiki/RationalWiki) is an epistemological razor[[note]]a logical principle that is used in deductive reasoning to evaluate threories[[/note]] first described in the 14th century by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Ockham William of Ockham]], an English Franciscan friar and philosopher. It is often used to evaluate the usefulness of a theory. Its main tenet is that "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity." It can be summed up with the phrase "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not unicorns."
3rd Oct '17 12:13:22 PM Augusto
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[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor Occam's Razor]] is an epistemological razor[[note]]a logical principle that is used in deductive reasoning to evaluate threories[[/note]] first described in the 14th century by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Ockham William of Ockham]], an English Franciscan friar and philosopher. It is often used to evaluate the usefulness of a theory. Its main tenet is that "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity." It can be summed up with the phrase "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not unicorns."

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[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor Occam's Razor]] ([[https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor also featured]] on the Wiki/RationalWiki) is an epistemological razor[[note]]a logical principle that is used in deductive reasoning to evaluate threories[[/note]] first described in the 14th century by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Ockham William of Ockham]], an English Franciscan friar and philosopher. It is often used to evaluate the usefulness of a theory. Its main tenet is that "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity." It can be summed up with the phrase "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not unicorns."
16th Apr '17 2:27:17 AM AndIntroducingALeg
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The Razor is commonly misinterpreted as saying, "''The simplest theory is the best.''" or, even worse, "''The simplest theory is always right.''" This is not correct in RealLife unless it is the simpler of two theories which make predictions with identical degrees of accuracy. All other aspects of the theory have to be equal before simplicity is taken into account. It also requires that ''all the data are accounted for.'' Newtonian physics are simpler than modern theories and were sufficient to take man to the Moon, but (with all due respect to the man) [[UsefulNotes/IsaacNewton Sir Isaac]] simply could not explain ''all'' the data eventually collected--especially since a lot of the offending material had not ''been'' collected when ''Principia Mathematica'' was published. This required some other smart man--namely, UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein--to formulate more complex theories, particularly "UsefulNotes/{{Relativity}}". It should, however, be noted that since Einsteinian physics make very little difference to results at macroscopic scales or with objects travelling at non-relativistic speeds (and often the difference they do make is so small as to amount to false precision based on the initial variables), the Razor would still support using the Newtonian equations for such calculations, which is why we do so.

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The Razor is commonly misinterpreted as saying, "''The simplest theory is the best.''" or, even worse, "''The simplest theory is always right.''" This is not correct in RealLife unless it is the simpler of two theories which make predictions with identical degrees of accuracy. All other aspects of the theory have to be equal before simplicity is taken into account. It also requires that ''all the data are accounted for.'' Newtonian physics are simpler than modern theories and were sufficient to take man to the Moon, but (with all due respect to the man) [[UsefulNotes/IsaacNewton Sir Isaac]] simply could not explain ''all'' the data eventually collected--especially since a lot of the offending material had not ''been'' collected when ''Principia Mathematica'' was published. This required some other smart man--namely, UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein--to formulate more complex theories, particularly "UsefulNotes/{{Relativity}}"."UsefulNotes/{{Relativity}}"[[note]]Einstein explicitly made this point himself when he said that ideas should be kept as simple as possible, ''but not simpler''[[/note]]. It should, however, be noted that since Einsteinian physics make very little difference to results at macroscopic scales or with objects travelling at non-relativistic speeds (and often the difference they do make is so small as to amount to false precision based on the initial variables), the Razor would still support using the Newtonian equations for such calculations, which is why we do so.
31st Jan '17 6:08:53 AM garthvader
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[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor Occam's Razor]] is an epistemological razor[[note]]a logical principle that is used in deductive reasoning to evaluate threories[[/note]] first described in the 14th century by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Ockham William of Ockham]], an English Franciscan friar and philosopher. It is often used to evaluate the usefulness of a theory. Its often describe as saying that "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity." All claims have a foundation of underlying premises and Occam's Razor suggests believing the claim with the ''fewest'' premises, on the condition that all else about the claims is equal. A common summation of the principle is "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras."

[[note]]This is all a very warped version of what Occam originally meant. The idea is that all ''unnecessary'' assumptions, ones that have nothing to do with the conclusion, should be removed. This is where the idea of a razor comes from, the argument is shaved of excess. A better summation of the principle would be "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not ''brown'' horses." since the color of the horses is irrelevant. This is also a basic law of probability.[[/note]]

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[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor Occam's Razor]] is an epistemological razor[[note]]a logical principle that is used in deductive reasoning to evaluate threories[[/note]] first described in the 14th century by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Ockham William of Ockham]], an English Franciscan friar and philosopher. It is often used to evaluate the usefulness of a theory. Its often describe as saying main tenet is that "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity." All claims have a foundation of underlying premises and Occam's Razor suggests believing the claim It can be summed up with the ''fewest'' premises, on the condition that all else about the claims is equal. A common summation of the principle is phrase "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.unicorns."

[[note]]This is all a very warped version of what Occam originally meant. The idea is that all ''unnecessary'' assumptions, ones that Most theories have nothing a foundation of underlying premises (the aforementioned "entities"), all of which need to do be true for the theory ''itself'' to be true. Occam's Razor suggests believing the theory with the conclusion, should be removed. This is where the idea of a razor comes from, the argument is shaved of excess. A better summation of the principle would be "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not ''brown'' horses." since the color of the horses is irrelevant. This is also a basic law of probability.[[/note]]
''fewest'' underlying premises (the aforementioned "not multiplied beyond necessity").
25th Jan '17 11:37:09 AM Game_Fan
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[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor Occam's Razor]] is an epistemological razor[[note]]a logical principle that is used in deductive reasoning to evaluate threories[[/note]] first described in the 14th century by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Ockham William of Ockham]], an English Franciscan friar and philosopher. It is often used to evaluate the usefulness of a theory. Its main tenet is that "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity." It can be summed up with the phrase "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras."

Most theories have a foundation of underlying premises (the aforementioned "entities"), all of which need to be true for the theory ''itself'' to be true. Occam's Razor suggests believing the theory with the ''fewest'' underlying premises (the aforementioned "not multiplied beyond necessity").

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[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor Occam's Razor]] is an epistemological razor[[note]]a logical principle that is used in deductive reasoning to evaluate threories[[/note]] first described in the 14th century by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Ockham William of Ockham]], an English Franciscan friar and philosopher. It is often used to evaluate the usefulness of a theory. Its main tenet is often describe as saying that "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity." It can be summed up All claims have a foundation of underlying premises and Occam's Razor suggests believing the claim with the phrase ''fewest'' premises, on the condition that all else about the claims is equal. A common summation of the principle is "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras."

Most theories [[note]]This is all a very warped version of what Occam originally meant. The idea is that all ''unnecessary'' assumptions, ones that have a foundation of underlying premises (the aforementioned "entities"), all of which need nothing to be true for the theory ''itself'' to be true. Occam's Razor suggests believing the theory do with the ''fewest'' underlying premises (the aforementioned "not multiplied beyond necessity").
conclusion, should be removed. This is where the idea of a razor comes from, the argument is shaved of excess. A better summation of the principle would be "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not ''brown'' horses." since the color of the horses is irrelevant. This is also a basic law of probability.[[/note]]
24th Dec '16 3:15:15 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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Occam's Razor is the bane of {{Conspiracy Theorist}}s everywhere for the same reason: take a look at the Apollo moon landings, which a good percentage, in the single figures, [[MoonLandingHoax believe was hoaxed]]. Often people will find "evidence" that the landings could never have taken place, but it rests on the arguments that the US government:

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Occam's Razor is the bane of {{Conspiracy Theorist}}s everywhere for the same reason: take everywhere, since conspiracies usually rest on a look at lot of shaky assumptions. For example, the Apollo moon landings, which a good percentage, in percentage (in the single figures, figures) [[MoonLandingHoax believe was hoaxed]]. Often people will find "evidence" that the landings could never have taken place, but it rests on the arguments that the US government:
23rd Dec '16 11:35:19 AM garthvader
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The Razor is commonly misinterpreted as saying, "''The simplest theory is the best.''" or, even worse, "''The simplest theory is always right.''" This is not correct in RealLife unless it is the simpler of two theories which make predictions with identical degrees of accuracy. All other aspects of the theory have to be equal before simplicity is taken into account. It also requires that ''all the data are accounted for.'' Newtonian physics are simpler than modern theories and were sufficient to take man to the Moon, but (with all due respect to the man) [[UsefulNotes/IsaacNewton Sir Isaac]] simply could not explain ''all'' the data eventually collected--especially since a lot of the offending material had not ''been'' collected when ''Principia Mathematica'' was published. This required some other smart man--namely, UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein--to formulate more complex theories, particularly the outrageous stew we call "UsefulNotes/{{Relativity}}" which functions along completely different rules. It should, however, be noted that since Einsteinian physics make very little difference to results at macroscopic scales or with objects travelling at non-relativistic speeds (and often the difference they do make is so small as to amount to false precision based on the initial variables), the Razor would still support using the Newtonian equations for such calculations, which is why we do so.

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The Razor is commonly misinterpreted as saying, "''The simplest theory is the best.''" or, even worse, "''The simplest theory is always right.''" This is not correct in RealLife unless it is the simpler of two theories which make predictions with identical degrees of accuracy. All other aspects of the theory have to be equal before simplicity is taken into account. It also requires that ''all the data are accounted for.'' Newtonian physics are simpler than modern theories and were sufficient to take man to the Moon, but (with all due respect to the man) [[UsefulNotes/IsaacNewton Sir Isaac]] simply could not explain ''all'' the data eventually collected--especially since a lot of the offending material had not ''been'' collected when ''Principia Mathematica'' was published. This required some other smart man--namely, UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein--to formulate more complex theories, particularly the outrageous stew we call "UsefulNotes/{{Relativity}}" which functions along completely different rules."UsefulNotes/{{Relativity}}". It should, however, be noted that since Einsteinian physics make very little difference to results at macroscopic scales or with objects travelling at non-relativistic speeds (and often the difference they do make is so small as to amount to false precision based on the initial variables), the Razor would still support using the Newtonian equations for such calculations, which is why we do so.
23rd Dec '16 11:32:59 AM garthvader
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The Razor is commonly misinterpreted as saying, "''The simplest theory is the best.''" or, even worse, "''The simplest theory is always right.''" This is not correct in RealLife unless it is the simpler of two theories which make predictions with identical degrees of accuracy. All other aspects of the theory have to be equal before simplicity is taken into account. It also requires that ''all the data are accounted for.'' Newtonian physics are simpler than modern theories and were sufficient to take man to the Moon, but (with all due respect to the man) [[UsefulNotes/IsaacNewton Sir Isaac]] simply could not explain ''all'' the data eventually collected--especially since a lot of the offending material had not ''been'' collected when ''Principia Mathematica'' was published. This required some other smart man--namely, UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein--to formulate more complex theories, particularly the outrageous stew we call "UsefulNotes/{{Relativity}}" which functions along completely different rules. Now, Occam's Razor would suggest that there must be some Grand Unified Theory that explains why physics work one way on an atomic level and completely differently on a larger-than-atomic level. Much of the last century of scientific research (including Einstein's) has centered around trying to come up with one. They haven't succeeded. So far, Occam's Razor is wrong, and the universe simply functions according to completely different sets of rules depending on an object's physical size, for no good reason whatsoever. Nobody likes this, but in the end, nothing says that an explanation must ''be'' simple.

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The Razor is commonly misinterpreted as saying, "''The simplest theory is the best.''" or, even worse, "''The simplest theory is always right.''" This is not correct in RealLife unless it is the simpler of two theories which make predictions with identical degrees of accuracy. All other aspects of the theory have to be equal before simplicity is taken into account. It also requires that ''all the data are accounted for.'' Newtonian physics are simpler than modern theories and were sufficient to take man to the Moon, but (with all due respect to the man) [[UsefulNotes/IsaacNewton Sir Isaac]] simply could not explain ''all'' the data eventually collected--especially since a lot of the offending material had not ''been'' collected when ''Principia Mathematica'' was published. This required some other smart man--namely, UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein--to formulate more complex theories, particularly the outrageous stew we call "UsefulNotes/{{Relativity}}" which functions along completely different rules. Now, Occam's It should, however, be noted that since Einsteinian physics make very little difference to results at macroscopic scales or with objects travelling at non-relativistic speeds (and often the difference they do make is so small as to amount to false precision based on the initial variables), the Razor would suggest that there must be some Grand Unified Theory that explains still support using the Newtonian equations for such calculations, which is why physics work one way on an atomic level and completely differently on a larger-than-atomic level. Much of the last century of scientific research (including Einstein's) has centered around trying to come up with one. They haven't succeeded. So far, Occam's Razor is wrong, and the universe simply functions according to completely different sets of rules depending on an object's physical size, for no good reason whatsoever. Nobody likes this, but in the end, nothing says that an explanation must ''be'' simple.
we do so.
22nd Dec '16 4:01:42 AM eroock
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# they would [[{{Troll}} waste time building pyramids]].

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# they would [[{{Troll}} waste time building pyramids]].
pyramids.
22nd Dec '16 3:59:58 AM eroock
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'''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor Occam's Razor]]''' is an epistemological razor[[note]]a logical principle that is used in deductive reasoning to evaluate threories[[/note]] first described in the 14th century by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Ockham William of Ockham]], an English Franciscan friar and philosopher. It is often used to evaluate the usefulness of a theory. Its main tenet is that "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity." It can be summed up with the phrase "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras."

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'''[[http://en.[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor Occam's Razor]]''' Razor]] is an epistemological razor[[note]]a logical principle that is used in deductive reasoning to evaluate threories[[/note]] first described in the 14th century by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Ockham William of Ockham]], an English Franciscan friar and philosopher. It is often used to evaluate the usefulness of a theory. Its main tenet is that "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity." It can be summed up with the phrase "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras."
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