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26th Jan '16 6:36:59 PM AsForMyHandle
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->''"In the old days villains [[DastardlyWhiplash had moustaches]] and kicked the dog. Audiences are smarter today. They don't want their villain to be thrown at them with green limelight on his face. They want an ordinary human being with failings."'' --> -- '''Creator/AlfredHitchcock'''
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->''"In the old days villains [[DastardlyWhiplash had moustaches]] moustaches and kicked the dog. Audiences are smarter today. They don't want their villain to be thrown at them with green limelight on his face. They want an ordinary human being with failings."'' --> -- '''Creator/AlfredHitchcock''' -->--'''Creator/AlfredHitchcock'''
4th Jan '16 3:14:15 PM R1ck
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A more benign, and more comedic, form of this shows the immorality of the villain by [[PokeThePoodle having them cheat at Solitaire]].
27th Dec '15 2:07:13 PM Dravencour
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->''"In the old days villains had moustaches and kicked the dog. Audiences are smarter today. They don't want their villain to be thrown at them with green limelight on his face. They want an ordinary human being with failings."''
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->''"In the old days villains [[DastardlyWhiplash had moustaches moustaches]] and kicked the dog. Audiences are smarter today. They don't want their villain to be thrown at them with green limelight on his face. They want an ordinary human being with failings."''
16th Dec '15 8:17:52 PM Doug86
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** KickTheDog/AskThatGuyWithTheGlasses
12th Dec '15 10:22:57 AM NeonFox
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Why this trope works could be expressed in the words of William Cowper: I would not enter on my list of friends (though graced with polished manners and fine sense, yet wanting sensibility) the man who needlessly sets foot upon a worm. In other words, a cruel act, no matter how trivial, establishes someone as a cruel person. Conversely, the creator may show Bob [[PetTheDog being kind for no apparent gain]], to demonstrate that Bob is a nice person and someone the audience is meant to vouch for. Both devices are used to help the audience become emotionally invested in the story.
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Why this trope works could be expressed in the words of William Cowper: I would not enter on my list of friends (though graced with polished manners and fine sense, yet wanting sensibility) the man who needlessly sets foot upon a worm. In other words, a cruel act, no matter how trivial, establishes someone as a cruel person. Conversely, the creator may show Bob [[PetTheDog being kind for no apparent gain]], to demonstrate that Bob is a nice person and someone the audience is meant to vouch cheer for. Both devices are used to help the audience become emotionally invested in the story.
7th Oct '15 4:05:09 PM nombretomado
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In cartoons, [[AssholeVictim someone who does this]] can be [[KarmicProtection legally]] [[ThisMeansWar harassed]] by Characters/BugsBunny, Daffy Duck, or [[WesternAnimation/{{Animaniacs}} the Warner Brothers and their sister Dot]]. The ScrewySquirrel, however, won't wait that long.
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In cartoons, [[AssholeVictim someone who does this]] can be [[KarmicProtection legally]] [[ThisMeansWar harassed]] by Characters/BugsBunny, WesternAnimation/BugsBunny, Daffy Duck, or [[WesternAnimation/{{Animaniacs}} the Warner Brothers and their sister Dot]]. The ScrewySquirrel, however, won't wait that long.
4th Oct '15 12:21:23 PM Raptorslash
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If what is supposed to be a character's Kick The Dog moment is excessively horrible, cruel, or otherwise despicable enough to make an audience lose all sympathy for him, then he's crossed the MoralEventHorizon, if he's not on the other side of it already. If the Dog in question is someone the character cares about and discovers BeingEvilSucks, then they've KickTheMoralityPet and ''might'' be in time to avoid a FaceHeelTurn. If the dog belonged to a minion, expect it to help cause a MookFaceTurn because EvenMooksHaveLovedOnes. On occasions, if karma works in the dog's favor, [[TheDogBitesBack he'll manage to get a last laugh]]. On even rarer occasions, after being pushed around too many times, the dog may decide to [[TheStarscream plan against the Big Bad for his own ambitions]], because BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil. When the dog-kicking is done in a way that (usually inadvertently) increases sympathy for the villain, it becomes StrawmanHasAPoint.
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If what is supposed to be a character's Kick The Dog moment is excessively horrible, cruel, or otherwise despicable enough to make an audience lose all sympathy for him, then he's crossed the MoralEventHorizon, if he's not on the other side of it already. If the Dog in question is someone the character cares about and discovers BeingEvilSucks, then they've KickTheMoralityPet and ''might'' be in time to avoid a FaceHeelTurn. If the dog belonged to a minion, expect it to help cause a MookFaceTurn because EvenMooksHaveLovedOnes. On occasions, if karma works in the dog's favor, [[TheDogBitesBack he'll manage to get a last laugh]]. On even rarer occasions, after being pushed around too many times, the dog may decide to [[TheStarscream plan against the Big Bad for his own ambitions]], because BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil. When the dog-kicking is done in a way that (usually inadvertently) increases sympathy for the villain, it becomes StrawmanHasAPoint. StrawmanHasAPoint. If the character ''appears'' to be likable or sympathetic when introduced and the dog-kicking proves that he is actually evil, that is BaitTheDog.
3rd Sep '15 11:29:24 AM LongLiveHumour
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This trope is often used to counter or prevent a character from being seen by the audience as a DesignatedVillain or StrawmanHasAPoint. These tropes tend to occur when poor writing or characterization causes a character to become more [[UnintentionallySympathetic sympathetic to the viewers than intended.]] Since the writers can't just give these villains their just desserts if the audience likes them too much or [[RootingFortheEmpire prefers to take their side on an issue]], an effective KicktheDog moment can make them lose their sympathy and make them punishable again. This can [[TropesAreTools backfire though.]]
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This trope is often used to counter or prevent a character from being seen by the audience as a DesignatedVillain or StrawmanHasAPoint. These tropes tend to occur when poor writing or characterization causes a character to become more [[UnintentionallySympathetic sympathetic to the viewers than intended.]] Since the writers can't just give these villains their just desserts if the audience likes them too much or [[RootingFortheEmpire prefers to take their side on an issue]], an effective KicktheDog Kick the Dog moment can make them lose their sympathy and make them punishable again. This can [[TropesAreTools backfire though.]]
11th Jul '15 8:21:04 AM TimG5
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This trope is often used to counter or prevent a character from being seen by the audience as a DesignatedVillain or StrawmanHasAPoint. These tropes tend to occur when poor writing or characterization causes a character to become more [[UnintentionallySympathetic sympathetic to the viewers than intended.]] Since the writers can't just give these villains their just desserts if the audience likes them too much or [[RootingFortheEmpire prefers to take their side on an issue]], an effective KicktheDog moment can make them lose their sympathy and make them punishable again. This can [[TropesAreTools backfire though.]]
23rd Jun '15 11:05:29 AM MadCat221
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Of course, the crux of this trope isn't just the cruel act; it's also about the innocence of the victim, ie they have done nothing to warrant their abuse. If the target is an AssholeVictim instead, the cruel act can become a sympathetic one for the villan/anti-hero instead. If going after the [[AcceptableTargets Acceptable Target]] is a coincidence, it becomes KickTheSonOfABitch; if the victim was specifically targetted for their assholery, it becomes PayEvilUntoEvil.
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Of course, the crux of this trope isn't just the cruel act; it's also about the innocence of the victim, ie they have done nothing to warrant their abuse. If the target is an AssholeVictim instead, the cruel act can become a sympathetic one for the villan/anti-hero instead. If going after the [[AcceptableTargets Acceptable Target]] is a coincidence, it becomes KickTheSonOfABitch; if the victim was [[EvenEvilHasStandards specifically targetted targeted]] for their assholery, it becomes PayEvilUntoEvil.
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