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8th Apr '17 2:13:29 PM cherrychels
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** [[{{sadist}} Ramsay Bolton]] [[spoiler:gets the [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown ever-loving shit beat out of him]] by [[HeroicBastard Jon Snow]] for [[RelativeButton murdering Jon's younger brother Rickon, raping his younger sister Sansa]], and for all the sheer, utter hell and torture Ramsay has inflicted. Jon only calms when he sees his sister Sansa, whose presence prompts Jon not to go too far -- for both his sake and so Sansa can provide a KarmicDeath to Ramsay, which she does by feeding Ramsay to his own dogs.]]
** Arya clearly becomes a darker character every time she kills, but it's compensated for by the fact that most of them deserve it. In season 6, [[spoiler:she gets revenge on Walder Frey for his part in the brutal massacre of her mother and one of her older brothers, Robb. She kills two of Walder Frey's sons and has them baked into a pie, which she feeds to an unknowing Walder -- before Arya reveals to a horrified Walder that his sons are in the pie and she finishes him by slitting his throat.]]



** When Joffrey Baratheon and Tywin Lannister are murdered in cold blood, their killers clearly cross a moral line, but their victims are such {{Jerk Ass}}es that it's hard not to cheer them on.



** When Robin Arryn throws a fit and destroys Sansa's snow replica of Winterfell, she slaps him so hard she knocks him to the ground. Although Sansa might have been the one who escalated the altercation to begin with, Littlefinger blithely remarks afterward that Robin had it coming his entire life.
8th Apr '17 2:03:14 PM cherrychels
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** After Theon spends the first few seasons kicking the dog, his torture begins this way but as this torture grows more excruciating and pointlessly cruel at the hands of [[{{sadist}} Ramsay Bolton]], it becomes harder to feel this way. In fact, by the end of the season, this trope can apply to the men who sold Theon out to be tortured, as [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves the Ironborn who betrayed him end up getting flayed alive by Ramsay]] -- who, nonetheless, continues torturing Ramsay until [[spoiler:Theon and Sansa manage to escape him.]]

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** After Theon spends the first few seasons kicking the dog, his torture begins this way but as this torture grows more excruciating and pointlessly cruel at the hands of [[{{sadist}} Ramsay Bolton]], it becomes harder to feel this way. In fact, by the end of the season, this trope can apply to the men who sold Theon out to be tortured, as [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves the Ironborn who betrayed him end up getting flayed alive by Ramsay]] -- who, nonetheless, continues torturing Ramsay Theon until [[spoiler:Theon and Sansa manage to escape him.]]
8th Apr '17 2:00:47 PM cherrychels
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* In ''Series/GameOfThrones'', there are some more examples which aren't in the books as [[OvertookTheManga the television series goes into]] [[ScheduleSlip still unpublished books]]:

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* In ''Series/GameOfThrones'', there are some more examples which aren't in the books as [[OvertookTheManga the television series goes into]] [[ScheduleSlip still the unpublished books]]:
8th Apr '17 1:58:52 PM cherrychels
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** [[{{sadist}} Ramsay Bolton]] [[spoiler:gets the [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown ever-loving shit beat out of him]] by [[HeroicBastard Jon Snow]] for murdering [[RelativeButton Jon's younger brother Rickon, raping his younger sister Sansa]], and for all the sheer, utter hell and torture Ramsay has inflicted. Jon only calms when he sees his sister Sansa, whose presence prompts Jon to not go too far -- for both his sake and so Sansa can provide a KarmicDeath to Ramsay, which she does by feeding Ramsay to his own dogs.]]
** Arya clearly becomes a darker character every time she kills, but it's compensated for by the fact that most of them deserve it. In season 6, [[spoiler:she gets revenge on Walder Frey for his part in the brutal massacre of her mother and one of her older brothers, Robb. She kills Walder Frey's sons, has them baked into a pie, which she feeds to an unknowing Walder -- before she reveals to a horrified Walder that he his sons are in the pie and finishes him by slitting his throat.]]

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** [[{{sadist}} Ramsay Bolton]] [[spoiler:gets the [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown ever-loving shit beat out of him]] by [[HeroicBastard Jon Snow]] for murdering [[RelativeButton murdering Jon's younger brother Rickon, raping his younger sister Sansa]], and for all the sheer, utter hell and torture Ramsay has inflicted. Jon only calms when he sees his sister Sansa, whose presence prompts Jon to not to go too far -- for both his sake and so Sansa can provide a KarmicDeath to Ramsay, which she does by feeding Ramsay to his own dogs.]]
** Arya clearly becomes a darker character every time she kills, but it's compensated for by the fact that most of them deserve it. In season 6, [[spoiler:she gets revenge on Walder Frey for his part in the brutal massacre of her mother and one of her older brothers, Robb. She kills two of Walder Frey's sons, sons and has them baked into a pie, which she feeds to an unknowing Walder -- before she Arya reveals to a horrified Walder that he his sons are in the pie and she finishes him by slitting his throat.]]
8th Apr '17 1:54:47 PM cherrychels
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* In ''Literature/DragonsOfRequiem'', Dies Irae murders two members of the Rot Squad trio and uses their body parts for his [[FleshGolem mimics]]. Keep in mind, the Rot Squad trio were [[{{Jerkass}} Jerkasses]] who spent their free time scavenging for body parts, abusing each other, and at one point they kick a dog so many times that ''it dies''.

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* In ''Literature/DragonsOfRequiem'', Dies Irae murders two members of the Rot Squad trio and uses their body parts for his [[FleshGolem mimics]]. Keep in mind, the Rot Squad trio were [[{{Jerkass}} Jerkasses]] {{Jerk Ass}}es who spent their free time scavenging for body parts, abusing each other, and at one point they kick a dog so many times that ''it dies''.



* Captain Hook was a villain on ''Series/OnceUponATime'', but his primary motivation is to get revenge on Rumpelstiltskin who is directly or indirectly responsible for most of the good and evil stuff that happened on the show. [[DoubleStandard Most of the good characters in the show would not have a major problem if Hook got to "skin his crocodile"]] [[MoralMyopia (even after Rumple's Character Development)]] but Hook kept allying himself with people like Cora and Regina so the good guys had to thwart him.

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* Captain Hook was is initially a villain on ''Series/OnceUponATime'', but his primary motivation is to get revenge on Rumpelstiltskin Rumpelstiltskin, who is directly or indirectly responsible for most of the good and evil stuff that happened happens on the show. [[DoubleStandard Most of the good characters in the show would not have a major problem if Hook got to "skin his crocodile"]] [[MoralMyopia (even after Rumple's Character Development)]] but Hook kept allying himself with people like Cora and Regina Regina, so the good guys had to thwart him.



* ''Series/GameOfThrones'':
** The show adds some more examples which aren't in the books as [[OvertookTheManga the series goes into]] [[ScheduleSlip still unpublished books]]. [[spoiler:Ramsay Bolton is viciously beaten by Jon Snow - with Sansa having to remind him to not go too far, for both [[HeWhoFightsMonsters Jon's sake]] and to provide a KarmicDeath - and Walder Frey has his sons killed and baked into a pie he unknowingly eats before getting his throat slit.]]
** Arya clearly becomes a darker character every time she kills, but it's compensated for by the fact that most of them deserve it.
** After kicking the dog throughout the previous season, Theon's torture begins this way, but as it grows more excruciating and pointlessly cruel it becomes harder to feel this way. In fact, by the end of the season, this trope does apply to the men who sold him out to be tortured, as [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves the Ironborn who betrayed him end up getting flayed alive by Ramsay]].
** Its a hard sell to make the murder of a daughter-raping, child-sacrificing jerkass like Craster come across as an unforgivable sin to a contemporary audience.
** When Joffrey Baratheon and Tywin Lannister are murdered in cold blood, their killers clearly cross a moral line, but their victims are such jerkasses that it's hard not to cheer them on.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'':
** The show adds
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** [[{{sadist}} Ramsay Bolton]] [[spoiler:gets the [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown ever-loving shit beat out of him]]
by [[HeroicBastard Jon Snow - with Sansa having to remind him Snow]] for murdering [[RelativeButton Jon's younger brother Rickon, raping his younger sister Sansa]], and for all the sheer, utter hell and torture Ramsay has inflicted. Jon only calms when he sees his sister Sansa, whose presence prompts Jon to not go too far, far -- for both [[HeWhoFightsMonsters Jon's sake]] his sake and to so Sansa can provide a KarmicDeath - and Walder Frey has to Ramsay, which she does by feeding Ramsay to his sons killed and baked into a pie he unknowingly eats before getting his throat slit.own dogs.]]
** Arya clearly becomes a darker character every time she kills, but it's compensated for by the fact that most of them deserve it.
it. In season 6, [[spoiler:she gets revenge on Walder Frey for his part in the brutal massacre of her mother and one of her older brothers, Robb. She kills Walder Frey's sons, has them baked into a pie, which she feeds to an unknowing Walder -- before she reveals to a horrified Walder that he his sons are in the pie and finishes him by slitting his throat.]]
** After Theon spends the first few seasons kicking the dog throughout the previous season, Theon's dog, his torture begins this way, way but as it this torture grows more excruciating and pointlessly cruel at the hands of [[{{sadist}} Ramsay Bolton]], it becomes harder to feel this way. In fact, by the end of the season, this trope does can apply to the men who sold him Theon out to be tortured, as [[RewardedAsATraitorDeserves the Ironborn who betrayed him end up getting flayed alive by Ramsay]].
Ramsay]] -- who, nonetheless, continues torturing Ramsay until [[spoiler:Theon and Sansa manage to escape him.]]
** Its It's a hard sell to make the murder of a daughter-raping, child-sacrificing jerkass {{Jerkass}} like Craster come across as an unforgivable sin to a contemporary audience.
** When Joffrey Baratheon and Tywin Lannister are murdered in cold blood, their killers clearly cross a moral line, but their victims are such jerkasses {{Jerk Ass}}es that it's hard not to cheer them on.



* The ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' citybook ''Mexico City By Night'' features a last example of this in the form of Jaggedy Andy. Prior to his Embrace, Andy was a bigoted tourist who firmly believed that his status as an [[EagleLand American citizen]] rendered him invincible; after spending the day wandering around the city, laughing at "jobless lazy spics," he and his friends hailed a cab and demanded to be taken to a strip club - only for the driver [[TheDogBitesBack to hand them over to the Sabbat for a Blood Feast]] attended by [[TheDreaded Sascha Vykos]] itself. In the end, Andy's defiance and stupidity got too annoying even for Vykos, so instead of just killing him, Vykos used Vicissitude to [[TheBlank seal every single orifice in Andy's head]] - [[FateWorseThanDeath and then Embraced him]]. Andy now spends his nights outcast from both mortal and vampire society, forced to spend eternity chiseling new eye sockets and mouths for himself, and terminally dependent on the homeless Mexicans he once despised. Given that he's still an asshole, nobody's shedding any tears his way.

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* The ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' citybook ''Mexico City By Night'' features a last example of this in the form of Jaggedy Andy. Prior to his Embrace, Andy was a bigoted tourist who firmly believed that his status as an [[EagleLand American citizen]] rendered him invincible; after spending the day wandering around the city, laughing at "jobless lazy spics," he and his friends hailed a cab and demanded to be taken to a strip club - -- only for the driver [[TheDogBitesBack to hand them over to the Sabbat for a Blood Feast]] attended by [[TheDreaded Sascha Vykos]] itself. In the end, Andy's defiance and stupidity got too annoying even for Vykos, so instead of just killing him, Vykos used Vicissitude to [[TheBlank seal every single orifice in Andy's head]] - -- [[FateWorseThanDeath and then Embraced him]]. Andy now spends his nights outcast from both mortal and vampire society, forced to spend eternity chiseling new eye sockets and mouths for himself, and terminally dependent on the homeless Mexicans he once despised. Given that he's still an asshole, nobody's shedding any tears his way.



** Also the mission where you have to choose between killing Playboy X or Dwayne. [[spoiler:However, this one is an easier choice, as killing Playboy X (the S.O.B. in question) allows you to have Dwayne as a friend and all the benefits that come from it - plus, you get a nice new apartment.]]

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** Also the mission where you have to choose between killing Playboy X or Dwayne. [[spoiler:However, this one is an easier choice, as killing Playboy X (the S.O.B. in question) allows you to have Dwayne as a friend and all the benefits that come from it - -- plus, you get a nice new apartment.]]



** The Dragonmaw Clan in Twilight Highlands, who capture young black dragons and enslave them via mind control for use as war beasts and [[DragonRider flying mounts]], might plausibly be accused of seriously inhumane behaviour. However, considering what black dragons are like when they're free - [[AlwaysChaoticEvil they're motivated only to kill or to wreck the place up even in their first moments of life]] - it's not surprising that no one takes issue with this practice.

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** The Dragonmaw Clan in Twilight Highlands, who capture young black dragons and enslave them via mind control for use as war beasts and [[DragonRider flying mounts]], might plausibly be accused of seriously inhumane behaviour. However, considering what black dragons are like when they're free - -- [[AlwaysChaoticEvil they're motivated only to kill or to wreck the place up even in their first moments of life]] - -- it's not surprising that no one takes issue with this practice.



*** This trope is a major reason why [[spoiler:Shepard's destruction of the colony]] in ''Arrival'' wasn't a bigger deal morally, because it happened to the batarians, who utilize slavery rings and PeopleFarms, among other things. The effect, however, is very much mitigated in the third game when we discover that while the batarian establishment are a bunch of jerkasses, [[FridgeHorror the regular ones actually aren't that bad.]]

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*** This trope is a major reason why [[spoiler:Shepard's destruction of the colony]] in ''Arrival'' wasn't a bigger deal morally, because it happened to the batarians, who utilize slavery rings and PeopleFarms, among other things. The effect, however, is very much mitigated in the third game when we discover that while the batarian establishment are a bunch of jerkasses, {{Jerk Ass}}es, [[FridgeHorror the regular ones actually aren't that bad.]]



** This one was made even better by the Arachnos soldiers in the mission essentially saying that, if it weren't their job to be there, they would happily let you pass. This is because even though Arachnos soldiers are EvilerThanThou in most cases, Westin Phipps is evil on a whole different level (hiring villains to burn relief supplies and poison food, causing the twin daughters of a woman to go blind then subtly implying that he intends to sell said blind twins into likely sexual slavery). There is a reason that even the noblest of heroes occasionally took the vigilante route on this mission - breaking Phipps' arm and jaw were immensely satisfying after the crap he pulled.

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** This one was made even better by the Arachnos soldiers in the mission essentially saying that, if it weren't their job to be there, they would happily let you pass. This is because even though Arachnos soldiers are EvilerThanThou in most cases, Westin Phipps is evil on a whole different level (hiring villains to burn relief supplies and poison food, causing the twin daughters of a woman to go blind then subtly implying that he intends to sell said blind twins into likely sexual slavery). There is a reason that even the noblest of heroes occasionally took the vigilante route on this mission - -- breaking Phipps' arm and jaw were immensely satisfying after the crap he pulled.



*** Bozzok decides to make use of Crystal's corpse and get revenge on Haley for skipping out on resurrection payments by hiring Grubwiggler (with a resurrection payment and then some) to stich Crystal into a Flesh Golem, a purple monstrosity that is in constant pain and constantly fixated on causing death to her enemies, then points her at Haley. Haley convinces Crystal that she may be a murderer but Bozzok is a sick son of a bitch who turned his loyal minion into an eternally suffering slave-tool. Cue curb-stomp battle. Then Crystal starts yapping about how she plans on using her new golem powers to keep killing random bystanders for fun. Cue betrayal by lava pit. Haley doesn't feel any hesitation or guilt, but doesn't enjoy it, either.

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*** Bozzok decides to make use of Crystal's corpse and get revenge on Haley for skipping out on resurrection payments by hiring Grubwiggler (with a resurrection payment and then some) to stich stitch Crystal into a Flesh Golem, a purple monstrosity that is in constant pain and constantly fixated on causing death to her enemies, then points her at Haley. Haley convinces Crystal that she may be a murderer but Bozzok is a sick son of a bitch who turned his loyal minion into an eternally suffering slave-tool. Cue curb-stomp battle. Then Crystal starts yapping about how she plans on using her new golem powers to keep killing random bystanders for fun. Cue betrayal by lava pit. Haley doesn't feel any hesitation or guilt, but doesn't enjoy it, either.



** It then comes full circle back to this trope when it comes out that today's elves are the ''same'' elves that were alive back in the day. They were set to exterminate humanity like they did the trolls, but instead took them as servants out of pity, not compassion, due to the fact they looked similar to the elves. The aforementioned time-ninjas were slave gladiators and bodyguards who understandably bear a grudge to this day, and it was because humanity bred like rabbits compared to the elves that so many half-elves were born. Sarine, who was alive during the war, said that it was just easier to have a child with a human than with another elf. Once they re-emerge from their self-imposed isolationism, the elves begin hunting down every single half-elf they can find. Sarine outright admits the elves pretty much have it coming when Ian attacks. Not that she'll just stand by and let it happen, but there's a reason that the only elves who ''aren't'' arrogant Jerkasses are the youngest elf in the city and thus the species (Misa), a ranger who took the job to get the hell away from her racist, elitist brethren (Sarine), and ''possibly'' the Council's clerk.

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** It then comes full circle back to this trope when it comes out that today's elves are the ''same'' elves that were alive back in the day. They were set to exterminate humanity like they did the trolls, but instead took them as servants out of pity, not compassion, due to the fact they looked similar to the elves. The aforementioned time-ninjas were slave gladiators and bodyguards who understandably bear a grudge to this day, and it was because humanity bred like rabbits compared to the elves that so many half-elves were born. Sarine, who was alive during the war, said that it was just easier to have a child with a human than with another elf. Once they re-emerge from their self-imposed isolationism, the elves begin hunting down every single half-elf they can find. Sarine outright admits the elves pretty much have it coming when Ian attacks. Not that she'll just stand by and let it happen, but there's a reason that the only elves who ''aren't'' arrogant Jerkasses {{Jerk Ass}}es are the youngest elf in the city and thus the species (Misa), a ranger who took the job to get the hell away from her racist, elitist brethren (Sarine), and ''possibly'' the Council's clerk.



* Most of the troll arc of ''WebComic/MSPaintAdventures'' is a double Mobius kick-the-sonofabitch reacharound, seeing as how a significant fraction of the trolls are complete jerkasses.

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* Most of the troll arc of ''WebComic/MSPaintAdventures'' is a double Mobius kick-the-sonofabitch reacharound, seeing as how a significant fraction of the trolls are complete jerkasses.{{Jerk Ass}}es.
7th Apr '17 1:22:29 PM gb00393
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** When Robin Arryn throws a fit and destroys Sansa's snow replica of Winterfell, she slaps him so hard she knocks him to the ground. Although Sansa might have been the one who escalated the altercation to begin with, Littlefinger blithely remarks afterward that Robin had it coming his entire life.
24th Mar '17 4:52:36 AM Shadowgazer
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'''Important note:''' this trope is not to be confused with its close cousin PayEvilUntoEvil, in which an asshole also suffers from another's cruelty as payback for their cruelty. The difference lies in how much the perpetrator knew about the victim, and whether that was his motive for committing the act. Someone who does PayEvilUntoEvil will deliberately target a terrible person. An SOB Kicker either doesn't know about his victim's evil, or simply doesn't care. Basically he ends up doing the right thing for all the wrong reasons.

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'''Important note:''' this trope is not to be confused with its close cousin PayEvilUntoEvil, in which an asshole also suffers from another's cruelty as payback for their cruelty. The difference lies in how much the perpetrator knew about the victim, and whether that was his motive for committing the act. Someone who does PayEvilUntoEvil will deliberately target a terrible person. An SOB Kicker either doesn't know about his victim's evil, or simply doesn't care. Basically he ends up doing the right thing for all the wrong reasons.
reasons. In a few cases it is simply a matter of perspective and what looks like a mere KickTheDog may end up becoming this, once the viewer learns more about the supposedly innocent victim.
16th Mar '17 1:05:10 PM morenohijazo
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** The three Caliph's brothers that Iznogoud made disappear. While Troiround wasn't really developed enough to say if he was evil or not, Dheround was truly a bully that kept making deadly pranks to Iznogoud and mocking him for his small size and big nose. Katround was even worse, being a crazy man obsessed with making people disappear and attempting to literally erase Bagdad (including his well-intentioned older brother).
** A more obvious example in ''Who Killed the Caliph'', where he has the Executioner (a greedy, sadistic man asking his childhood friend Wa'at Alaaf a bribe for his mercy) [[LaserGuidedKarma tortured by his own previous victim]].

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** The three Caliph's brothers that Iznogoud made disappear. While Troiround wasn't really developed enough to say if he was evil or not, Dheround was truly a bully that kept making deadly pranks to Iznogoud and mocking him for his small size and big nose. Katround was even worse, being a crazy man obsessed with making people disappear and attempting to literally erase Bagdad Baghdad (including his well-intentioned older brother).
** A more obvious example in ''Who Killed the Caliph'', where he has the Executioner (a greedy, sadistic man asking his childhood friend Wa'at Alaaf Alahf a bribe for his mercy) [[LaserGuidedKarma tortured by his own previous victim]].
16th Mar '17 12:26:51 PM flodoris
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** [[spoiler:Also Madara himself ends up becoming victim to this when Black Zetsu literally backstabs him, and converted him into Kaguya Ootsutsuki. You know Black Zetsu doesn't have any kindness in his heart, but knowing all the terrible things that Madara did, you would hardly call this action as an unforgivable sin.]]



** Also, Madara is completely evil... but Tobirama kind of had it coming when Mads impaled him with the rods.
14th Mar '17 8:15:24 PM Discar
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* ''Literature/WordsOfRadiance'' (book two of ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive''): Adolin [[spoiler:knifes Sadeas in the dark]]. It's the sort of tactic that his father Dalinar would frown on, but the victim had it coming and then some.
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