History Main / JesusWasCrazy

30th Jan '16 3:44:30 PM Narsil
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* Right in Literature/TheBible itself, one of the four gospels has Jesus' mother Mary and His brothers stepping in to intervene on His behalf, for they were hearing that "He is beside Himself".

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* Right in Literature/TheBible itself, one of the four gospels has Jesus' mother Mary and His brothers stepping in to intervene on His behalf, for they were hearing that "He is beside Himself". And frequently, his hearers say things like "he has a demon", an idiomatic way of saying "he's crazy" (since demonic possession was believed to cause insanity).
** And as Jesus notes, they said similar things about his immediate predecessor:
--->''For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon’; the Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Behold, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’'' [[note]][[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2011:18-19&version=RSV Matt 11:18-19]][[/note]]
16th Dec '15 8:54:12 PM FF32
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'''[[TorchesAndPitchforks Mob]]:''' Crucify him!\\

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'''[[TorchesAndPitchforks Mob]]:''' Crucify him!\\him!
2nd Nov '15 3:09:29 AM StFan
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->'''[[OnlySaneMan Pilate]]''': ''Look at your Jesus Christ. I'll agree he's mad. Ought to be locked up, But that is not a reason to destroy him. He's a sad little man. Not a King or God. Not a thief, I need a crime!''
->'''[[TorchesAndPitchforks Mob]]''': ''Crucify him!''
-> [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mohcOgaXKA The trial]] in ''Music/JesusChristSuperstar''

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->'''[[OnlySaneMan Pilate]]''': ''Look Pilate]]:''' Look at your Jesus Christ. I'll agree he's mad. Ought to be locked up, But that is not a reason to destroy him. He's a sad little man. Not a King or God. Not a thief, I need a crime!''
->'''[[TorchesAndPitchforks Mob]]''': ''Crucify him!''
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crime!\\
'''[[TorchesAndPitchforks Mob]]:''' Crucify him!\\
-->-- ''Music/JesusChristSuperstar'',
[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mohcOgaXKA The trial]] in ''Music/JesusChristSuperstar''
"The Trial"]]



* Larry Gonick's ''ComicBook/CartoonHistoryOfTheUniverse'' depicts Jesus as woozy after being "baptized" and held under water too long. In another section he alternates (panel by panel) between thoughtful scholar, mystical parable-speaker, and, well...
-->'''Jesus:''' ''(big cheerful grin)'' Only by ''drinking my blood'' and ''eating my flesh'' shall ye be saved! Mm!

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* Larry Gonick's ''ComicBook/CartoonHistoryOfTheUniverse'' ''ComicBook/TheCartoonHistoryOfTheUniverse'' depicts Jesus as woozy after being "baptized" and held under water too long. In another section he alternates (panel by panel) between thoughtful scholar, mystical parable-speaker, and, well...
-->'''Jesus:''' ''(big (''big cheerful grin)'' grin'') Only by ''drinking my blood'' and ''eating my flesh'' shall ye be saved! Mm!



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22nd Jul '15 8:29:07 PM karstovich2
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* UsefulNotes/FriedrichNietzsche held a somewhat similar belief: that Jesus was an "idiot." Note that he doesn't mean that Jesus was ''stupid''--rather, hat Jesus had a view of life that was detached from reality and perhaps too idealistic. Nietzsche is actually pretty positive on what he believed (on the basis of biblical analysis--which between his training in ancient languages and his upbringing in a family of Protestant ministers he was entirely qualified to do) to be Jesus' true message (a quasi-UsefulNotes/{{Buddhis|m}}t exhortation to the weak and poor to come to terms with and accept their suffering as simply a fact of the human condition rather than a fundamental injustice) and saves his venom for [[WordOfSaintPaul St. Paul]].
22nd Jul '15 8:22:54 PM karstovich2
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* This is a component of the Christian apologist argument called "Lord/Liar/Lunatic", popularised by C. S. Lewis, which is ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin. The argument is usually preceded by an argument about a historical Jesus or the veracity of biblical accounts, but then goes on to argue that with the various claims attributed to Jesus in the Gospels, he must be lying, crazy or an actual deity. This is generally a response to those who view Jesus as a good teacher but not a divine one. However, a lot of his ideas about morality work. Other speakers of morality don't always live up to what they say in their own lives, casting doubt on the "liar or a lunatic" part actually negating anything. However, the "Lord of All" part, if valid, negates a popular tenet of believing there are many "right" ways to Heaven. Also, to have him ''not'' measure up to those claims negates the Bible's claims about salvation through grace. Three counter-arguments to the debate are: 1) That Jesus' claims to divinity were the product of overzealous followers after his death. 2) That religious belief in oneself isn't necessarily (or even likely) proof of clinical insanity -- especially not in the social context of that particular age of history. Or 3) That the Jesus of Literature/TheBible is a fictional character, whose divinity within the story makes him a great moral example regardless of real life divinity. A counter-counter-argument is that if this is the case, then [[AndThatsTerrible the entire Bible becomes sketchy as a moral authority]]. Then on whose authority is morality defined? It's worth noting that modern doubts that the historical Jesus claimed to be God (History Channel historians' and theologians' preferred view) doesn't necessarily stop all modern theologians from defending the gospel writers' position.

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* This is a component of the Christian apologist argument called "Lord/Liar/Lunatic", popularised by C. S. Lewis, which is ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin. The argument is usually preceded by an argument about a historical Jesus or the veracity of biblical accounts, but then goes on to argue that with the various claims attributed to Jesus in the Gospels, he must be lying, crazy or an actual deity. This is generally a response to those who view Jesus as a good teacher but not a divine one. However, a lot of his ideas about morality work. Other speakers of morality don't always live up to what they say in their own lives, casting doubt on the "liar or a lunatic" part actually negating anything. However, the "Lord of All" part, if valid, negates a popular tenet of believing there are many "right" ways to Heaven. Also, to have him ''not'' measure up to those claims negates the Bible's claims about salvation through grace. Three counter-arguments to the debate are: 1) That Jesus' claims to divinity were the product of overzealous followers after his death. (This, for the record, is the official position of UsefulNotes/{{Islam}}: that Jesus was a prophet and messenger[[note]]In the Islamic concept, these are slightly different concepts; prophets are sent on a mission from God to remind people of the faith, but do not receive revelation; messengers are prophets who also received a revelation.[[/note]] of God who personally never claimed to be divine but whose followers eventually got a bit carried away.) 2) That religious belief in oneself isn't necessarily (or even likely) proof of clinical insanity -- especially not in the social context of that particular age of history. Or 3) That the Jesus of Literature/TheBible is a fictional character, whose divinity within the story makes him a great moral example regardless of real life divinity. A counter-counter-argument is that if this is the case, then [[AndThatsTerrible the entire Bible becomes sketchy as a moral authority]]. Then on whose authority is morality defined? It's worth noting that modern doubts that the historical Jesus claimed to be God (History Channel historians' and theologians' preferred view) doesn't necessarily stop all modern theologians from defending the gospel writers' position.
22nd Jun '15 7:59:52 PM FordPrefect
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* ''Film/TheLastTemptationOfChrist'' start out with portraying Jesus as a paranoid schizophrenic who starts preaching because he hears voices in his head. The movie starts with him working as a carpenter building crosses for the Romans and rambling on about how he wants to crucify all the messiahs. The story goes through many plot twists, and the psychiatric perspective gets obsolete after a while - but Jesus being crazy ''in one way or another'' remains the only constant throughout the movie. [[spoiler:And trying to live a decent life turns out to be the craziest thing of them all.]]

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* ''Film/TheLastTemptationOfChrist'' start starts out with portraying Jesus as a paranoid schizophrenic who starts preaching because he hears voices in his head. The movie starts with him working as a carpenter building crosses for the Romans and rambling on about how he wants to crucify all the messiahs. The story goes through many plot twists, and the psychiatric perspective gets obsolete after a while - but Jesus being crazy ''in one way or another'' remains the only constant throughout the movie. [[spoiler:And trying to live a decent life turns out to be the craziest thing of them all.]]
28th Mar '15 6:59:49 PM nombretomado
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* ''FamilyGuy'': Many episodes – those with spot gags on religion and others focusing on the Christian faith – depict Jesus as immoral, rebellious and at one time not even Christian. In "Family Goy," he even suggests that all religions are the same and that it doesn't matter which one one picks (to which Brian – offscreen – shouts "Thank you!").

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* ''FamilyGuy'': ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'': Many episodes – those with spot gags on religion and others focusing on the Christian faith – depict Jesus as immoral, rebellious and at one time not even Christian. In "Family Goy," he even suggests that all religions are the same and that it doesn't matter which one one picks (to which Brian – offscreen – shouts "Thank you!").
11th Mar '15 7:22:58 AM rjung
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* In John Wick's ''TabletopGames/Thirty}}'', the characters meet several different versions of Jesus. The two most notable are the self-described Gnostic Jesus, who is mundane but a philosophical genius ... and Paul's Jesus, who is a [[spoiler: psychotic firebreathing monster the size of a building]].

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* In John Wick's ''TabletopGames/Thirty}}'', ''TabletopGames/{{Thirty}}'', the characters meet several different versions of Jesus. The two most notable are the self-described Gnostic Jesus, who is mundane but a philosophical genius ... and Paul's Jesus, who is a [[spoiler: psychotic firebreathing monster the size of a building]].
7th Mar '15 1:10:37 AM MasoTey
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** Leads to the derivative argument that the followers were either honest, insane, or suicidal. In spite of modern secular accusations that they had fame and glory in mind, most of the New Testament writers wrote each other warning of how likely it was they would all be killed. In fact, only John died of natural causes[[note]]or so the legends of their martyrdoms say (no other historical record existing)[[/note]]. They were frequently harassed and run out of town, and lived in constant poverty. Not exactly the usual makings of a GetRichQuickScheme. Honesty is not definitive, however, as believers in many religions have been willing to die for beliefs which are not viewed as remotely true (Heaven's Gate is an obvious example). So, a willingness to die for one's beliefs does not by itself prove they are true, but does indicate sincerity, even if shown to be misplaced.

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** Leads to the derivative argument that the followers were either honest, insane, or suicidal. In spite of modern secular accusations that they had fame and glory in mind, most of the New Testament writers wrote each other warning of how likely it was they would all be killed. In fact, only John died of natural causes[[note]]or so the legends of their martyrdoms say (no other historical record existing)[[/note]]. They were frequently harassed and run out of town, and lived in constant poverty. Not exactly the usual makings of a GetRichQuickScheme. Honesty is not definitive, however, as believers in many religions have been willing to die for beliefs which are most others do not viewed view as remotely true (Heaven's Gate is an obvious example). So, a willingness to die for one's beliefs does not by itself prove they are true, but does indicate sincerity, even if shown to be misplaced.
25th Dec '14 7:18:29 PM Rabukurafuto
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A character might be tempted to argue that Jesus Was Crazy as a kind of StrawmanPolitical argument: Taking for granted that if you don't believe the parts of the Gospels where Jesus ''actually'' ascended into heaven and all that, then you must still believe the parts where he ''claimed'' to be divine, and thus be obliged to consider him a megalomaniac. Of course, atheists, Muslims et cetera who think Jesus was cool prefer to focus on a simplified understanding of TheGoldenRule, and that kind of stuff; assuming that the claims of divinity were added after his death - along with the walking on water and similar hard-to-accept accounts.[[note]]Muslims believe that Jesus (or "Isa" in Arabic) was the second-to-last Prophet of Allah, Muhammad's immediate predecessor, and that he ''was'' able to perform miracles, but only as a favor granted by God rather than a sign of divinity in his own right.[[/note]]

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A character might be tempted to argue that Jesus Was Crazy as a kind of StrawmanPolitical StrawCharacter argument: Taking for granted that if you don't believe the parts of the Gospels where Jesus ''actually'' ascended into heaven and all that, then you must still believe the parts where he ''claimed'' to be divine, and thus be obliged to consider him a megalomaniac. Of course, atheists, Muslims et cetera who think Jesus was cool prefer to focus on a simplified understanding of TheGoldenRule, and that kind of stuff; assuming that the claims of divinity were added after his death - along with the walking on water and similar hard-to-accept accounts.[[note]]Muslims believe that Jesus (or "Isa" in Arabic) was the second-to-last Prophet of Allah, Muhammad's immediate predecessor, and that he ''was'' able to perform miracles, but only as a favor granted by God rather than a sign of divinity in his own right.[[/note]]
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