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18th Jun '16 2:54:50 AM Az_Tech341
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* Zoom (Hunter Zolomon) in the ''[[Franchise/TheFlash Flash]]'' series is this once you actually think about what he's saying. He's a guy who has gone through an extraordinary amount of tragedy throughout his life, and when his back is broken and Wally West (the then-current Flash) refuses to use time-travel to fix Hunter's spine, Hunter accidentally turns himself into Zoom, a speedster much faster than Wally. He resolves to use his powers to make Wally experience tragedy, believing it will motivate Wally into becoming a better hero... see the flaw there? If Hunter's logic was as full proof as he believed it to be... ''he himself would be a great hero!'' But he's not. It seems like Hunter's just looking for an excuse to beat up on Wally for not fixing his spine, though later events show that he's really just that insane, as a side-effect of his powers.

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* Zoom (Hunter Zolomon) in the ''[[Franchise/TheFlash Flash]]'' series is this once you actually think about what he's saying. He's a guy who has gone through an extraordinary amount of tragedy throughout his life, and when his back is broken and Wally West (the then-current Flash) refuses to use time-travel to fix Hunter's spine, Hunter accidentally turns himself into Zoom, a speedster much faster than Wally. He resolves to use his powers to make Wally experience tragedy, believing it will motivate Wally into becoming a better hero... see the flaw there? If Hunter's logic was as full fool proof as he believed it to be... ''he himself would be a great hero!'' But he's not. It seems like Hunter's just looking for an excuse to beat up on Wally for not fixing his spine, though later events show that he's really just that insane, as a side-effect of his powers.
18th Jun '16 12:45:30 AM troodos
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* Zoom (Hunter Zolomon) in the ''[[Franchise/TheFlash Flash]]'' series is this once you actually think about what he's saying. He's a guy who has gone through an extraordinary amount of tragedy throughout his life, and when his back is broken and Wally West (the then-current Flash) refuses to use time-travel to fix Hunter's spine, Hunter accidentally turns himself into Zoom, a speedster much faster than Wally. He resolves to use his powers to make Wally experience tragedy, believing it will motivate Wally into becoming a better hero... see the flaw there? If Hunter's logic was as full proof as he believed it to be... ''he himself would be a great hero!'' But he's not. It's pretty clear that Hunter's just looking for an excuse to beat up on Wally for not fixing his spine.

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* Zoom (Hunter Zolomon) in the ''[[Franchise/TheFlash Flash]]'' series is this once you actually think about what he's saying. He's a guy who has gone through an extraordinary amount of tragedy throughout his life, and when his back is broken and Wally West (the then-current Flash) refuses to use time-travel to fix Hunter's spine, Hunter accidentally turns himself into Zoom, a speedster much faster than Wally. He resolves to use his powers to make Wally experience tragedy, believing it will motivate Wally into becoming a better hero... see the flaw there? If Hunter's logic was as full proof as he believed it to be... ''he himself would be a great hero!'' But he's not. It's pretty clear that It seems like Hunter's just looking for an excuse to beat up on Wally for not fixing his spine.spine, though later events show that he's really just that insane, as a side-effect of his powers.
17th Jun '16 12:03:00 PM eroock
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4th Jun '16 9:02:34 PM merotoker
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** To make this even more twisted in every possible way, his version of DisproportionateRetribution is drenched in this. Some guy doesn't want you to bug him anymore with your psychotic shenanigans -- and you believe that ''he'' wronged '''''you''''' by "[[AttentionWhore ignoring you]]"? Well, why not settle this unfair dispute by [[spoiler:kidnapping his MoralityChain, then having her chained to a wall and repeatedly gang raped for several hours in front of a camera where you have your [[FoeYay object of "obsession"]] forcefully watch the act proceed as you threaten to release the video to ensure that said ImpliedLoveInterest has her life [[DefiledForever ruined forever]] unless he transforms into a werewolf -- during a time which he can't do so -- [[ItsAllAboutMe just for you]]?]]

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** To make this even more twisted in every possible way, his version of DisproportionateRetribution is drenched in this. Some guy doesn't want you to bug him anymore with your psychotic shenanigans -- and you believe that ''he'' wronged '''''you''''' by "[[AttentionWhore ignoring you]]"? Well, why not settle this unfair dispute by [[spoiler:kidnapping his MoralityChain, then having her chained to a wall and repeatedly gang raped for several hours in front of a camera where you have your [[FoeYay object of "obsession"]] forcefully watch the act proceed as you threaten to release the video to ensure that said ImpliedLoveInterest has her life [[DefiledForever ruined forever]] unless he transforms into a werewolf -- during a time which he can't do so -- [[ItsAllAboutMe just for you]]?]]you]]]]?



* Turns 19 and 20 of ''Anime/CodeGeass'' revel in this, with [[spoiler:the Black Knights' [[KangarooCourt betrayal by gunpoint]] of Lelouch based on some spotty testimony and failure to realize he didn't necessarily use it on them given that they were even able to go ahead with the betrayal, and Ohgi telling Kallen that they don't need Zero any longer, evidently because they now had Britannian forces to help them find and kill Zero and get what they're after. The same Britannian forces they fought for liberation against, and were nearly killed by in episode one. Oh, and one of the people he trusts over Lelouch? The same woman who shot him during the Black Rebellion, because he's been stupidly in love with him. And never thinks to check her history to see how she got all that info or her agenda. In the end, they accuse him of using them, all the while not thinking the Britannians, which include [[DragonInChief Schneizel]], would not.]] They realize how faulty this is immediately. No matter how much firepower they have, in the grand scheme of things, without Lelouch, they're nothing.

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* Turns 19 and 20 of ''Anime/CodeGeass'' revel in this, with [[spoiler:the Black Knights' [[KangarooCourt betrayal by gunpoint]] of Lelouch based on some spotty testimony and failure to realize he didn't necessarily use it on them given that they were even able to go ahead with the betrayal, and Ohgi telling Kallen that they don't need Zero any longer, evidently because they now had Britannian forces to help them find and kill Zero and get what they're after. The same Britannian forces they fought for liberation against, and were nearly killed by in episode one. Oh, and one of the people he trusts over Lelouch? The same woman who shot him during the Black Rebellion, because he's been stupidly in love with him. And never thinks to check her history to see how she got all that info or her agenda. In the end, they accuse him of using them, all the while not thinking the Britannians, which include [[DragonInChief Schneizel]], would not.]] not]]. They realize how faulty this is immediately. No matter how much firepower they have, in the grand scheme of things, without Lelouch, they're nothing.



* Anjme/TengenToppaGurrenLagann revels in this. Seriously. In episode 2, Littner Village is attacked by a group of Gunmen. Kamina, being the insane badass he is, determines that, despite seeking shelter being a perfectly viable solution, the only way to survive the attack is to charge head-first at the strongest of the Gunmen and carry out a Gundamjack. It works.

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* Anjme/TengenToppaGurrenLagann ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'' revels in this. Seriously. In episode 2, Littner Village is attacked by a group of Gunmen. Kamina, being the insane badass he is, determines that, despite seeking shelter being a perfectly viable solution, the only way to survive the attack is to charge head-first at the strongest of the Gunmen and carry out a Gundamjack. It works.



** Utilized in one issue where a Skrull [[spoiler: who is secretly Hank Pym]] steals the [=FantastiCar=] and disappears, after calling out the coordinates for sector 1-C, and to scan for Ferric Oxide. According to the Thing, ferric oxide means rust, 1-C means Yan-C, which means Yancey Street, and together they mean the abandoned auto junkyard off of Yancey Street. This is then lampshaded by [[spoiler: Hank Pym revealing that he was hanging out on them the entire time, and if they had gone to a local pizza place, he would have been there]]

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** Utilized in one issue where a Skrull [[spoiler: who is secretly Hank Pym]] steals the [=FantastiCar=] and disappears, after calling out the coordinates for sector 1-C, and to scan for Ferric Oxide. According to the Thing, ferric oxide means rust, 1-C means Yan-C, which means Yancey Street, and together they mean the abandoned auto junkyard off of Yancey Street. This is then lampshaded by [[spoiler: Hank Pym revealing that he was hanging out on them the entire time, and if they had gone to a local pizza place, he would have been there]]there]].



* Zoom (Hunter Zolomon) in the ''[[ComicBook/TheFlash Flash]]'' series is this once you actually think about what he's saying. He's a guy who has gone through an extraordinary amount of tragedy throughout his life, and when his back is broken and Wally West (the then-current Flash) refuses to use time-travel to fix Hunter's spine, Hunter accidentally turns himself into Zoom, a speedster much faster than Wally. He resolves to use his powers to make Wally experience tragedy, believing it will motivate Wally into becoming a better hero... see the flaw there? If Hunter's logic was as full proof as he believed it to be... ''he himself would be a great hero!'' But he's not. It's pretty clear that Hunter's just looking for an excuse to beat up on Wally for not fixing his spine.

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* Zoom (Hunter Zolomon) in the ''[[ComicBook/TheFlash ''[[Franchise/TheFlash Flash]]'' series is this once you actually think about what he's saying. He's a guy who has gone through an extraordinary amount of tragedy throughout his life, and when his back is broken and Wally West (the then-current Flash) refuses to use time-travel to fix Hunter's spine, Hunter accidentally turns himself into Zoom, a speedster much faster than Wally. He resolves to use his powers to make Wally experience tragedy, believing it will motivate Wally into becoming a better hero... see the flaw there? If Hunter's logic was as full proof as he believed it to be... ''he himself would be a great hero!'' But he's not. It's pretty clear that Hunter's just looking for an excuse to beat up on Wally for not fixing his spine.



** the AxCrazy villain Gadjo's (mis)understanding of human relationships (romantic) boils down to women basically giving men sex to get them to take out the trash (and it's even WACKIER in full). The Titans are all stunned, save for BB, who's TAKING NOTES!

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** the The AxCrazy villain Gadjo's (mis)understanding of human relationships (romantic) boils down to women basically giving men sex to get them to take out the trash (and it's even WACKIER in full). The Titans are all stunned, save for BB, who's TAKING NOTES!



--> Now, what other types of food are baked? Cakes, cookies and PIZZAS. What do pizzas stand for? [[spoiler:[[ItMakesSenseInContext The combined power of the Elements of Harmony.]]]] What does this mean? The magical power brought about with the [[spoiler: combined strength of the elements is fueled by dark magic.]] To put it in layponys terms, if pizzas are powered by dark magic, then [[spoiler: so are the Elements.]]

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--> Now, what other types of food are baked? Cakes, cookies and PIZZAS. What do pizzas stand for? [[spoiler:[[ItMakesSenseInContext The combined power of the Elements of Harmony.]]]] What does this mean? The magical power brought about with the [[spoiler: combined strength of the elements is fueled by dark magic.]] magic]]. To put it in layponys terms, if pizzas are powered by dark magic, then [[spoiler: so are the Elements.]]Elements]].



-->'''Harry:''' Oh, okay... So ComicBook/{{Magneto}} is okay, because you can see his face through the helmet, even if he tries to KillAllHumans and stuff, but Spider-Man's a bad guy because you can't see his face. Gotcha.

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-->'''Harry:''' Oh, okay... So ComicBook/{{Magneto}} SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} is okay, because you can see his face through the helmet, even if he tries to KillAllHumans and stuff, but Spider-Man's a bad guy because you can't see his face. Gotcha.



* In Film/AnimalHouse, in order to deflect attention from the (accurate) charge that they supplied their underage pledges with alcoholic beverages and date-raped their female guests at a toga party, Eric Stratton uses this. By claiming [[DontShootTheMessage it's unfair to railroad the entire Delta fraternity because of the actions of a few bad apples.]] After all, [[SlipperySlopeFallacy one might as well scapegoat institutions of higher learning in general for allowing such organizations to exist at all -- and, by extension, one might also condemn the United States of America for mismanaging its national educational system.]] And how dare you! [[PatrioticFervor That's unpatriotic!]]

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* In Film/AnimalHouse, ''Film/AnimalHouse'', in order to deflect attention from the (accurate) charge that they supplied their underage pledges with alcoholic beverages and date-raped their female guests at a toga party, Eric Stratton uses this. By claiming [[DontShootTheMessage it's unfair to railroad the entire Delta fraternity because of the actions of a few bad apples.]] After all, [[SlipperySlopeFallacy one might as well scapegoat institutions of higher learning in general for allowing such organizations to exist at all -- and, by extension, one might also condemn the United States of America for mismanaging its national educational system.]] And how dare you! [[PatrioticFervor That's unpatriotic!]]



--->'''Witch:''' It's a fair cop.

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--->'''Witch:''' -->'''Witch:''' It's a fair cop.



* ''Literature/ThePushcartWar'' has a mayor who's in the trucking companies' pocket convincing everyone not to oppose the trucks by stating that they stood for progress and also delivered a lot of good things like peanut butter. So if you were against the trucks, you were against progress. You might even be against peanut butter. And [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous no decent person could be against peanut butter!]]

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* ''Literature/ThePushcartWar'' has a mayor who's in the trucking companies' pocket convincing everyone not to oppose the trucks by stating that they stood for progress and also delivered a lot of good things like peanut butter. So if you were against the trucks, you were against progress. You might even be against peanut butter. And [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous [[FelonyMisdemeanor no decent person could be against peanut butter!]]



* In ''Series/TheTwilightZone'' episode, "A Penny for your thoughts," Hector Poole (Dick York) can hear the thoughts of others. When he tries to convince his boss, Mr. Bagby, that the accountant, Mr. Smithers, is going to rob the bank, Bagby isn't convinced when Poole tells him Smithers' plan. Instead, Bagby reasons that Smithers is the bank's most trusted employee and that's who always robs the bank, the most trusted employee. Smithers is trusted, therefore, he's going to rob the bank.

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* In ''Series/TheTwilightZone'' ''Series/TheTwilightZone1959'' episode, "A Penny for your thoughts," Your Thoughts," Hector Poole (Dick York) can hear the thoughts of others. When he tries to convince his boss, Mr. Bagby, that the accountant, Mr. Smithers, is going to rob the bank, Bagby isn't convinced when Poole tells him Smithers' plan. Instead, Bagby reasons that Smithers is the bank's most trusted employee and that's who always robs the bank, the most trusted employee. Smithers is trusted, therefore, he's going to rob the bank.



* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNS4lecOaAc Done intentionally]] by John Oliver on ''Series/LastWeekTonight'' to satirize [[ConspiracyTheory Conspiracy Theories]], thus 'proving' that Cadbury Creme eggs are the tools of the Illuminati, who are secretly controlled by Music/JayZ and Music/BeyonceKnowles.

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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNS4lecOaAc Done intentionally]] by John Oliver on ''Series/LastWeekTonight'' to satirize [[ConspiracyTheory Conspiracy Theories]], UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories, thus 'proving' that Cadbury Creme eggs are the tools of the Illuminati, who are secretly controlled by Music/JayZ and Music/BeyonceKnowles.



* ''ComicStrip/{{Dilbert}}:

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* ''ComicStrip/{{Dilbert}}:''ComicStrip/{{Dilbert}}'':



** {{Exploited}} in [[http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-09-24/ this Dilbert strip]]

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** {{Exploited}} {{Exploited|Trope}} in [[http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-09-24/ this Dilbert strip]]



** It should be noted that when they figure out how to open and close the slaver system-isolating forcefields [[spoiler:the Spathi break their alliance and put a shield around their own planet to be safely shut off from the rest of the universe.]]

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** It should be noted that when they figure out how to open and close the slaver system-isolating forcefields [[spoiler:the Spathi break their alliance and put a shield around their own planet to be safely shut off from the rest of the universe.]]universe]].



* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'', the fal'Cie are {{Jerkass God}}s (well not actual gods but close to it) who run on BlueAndOrangeMorality, but in practice their methods are this trope. Fal'cie brand humans with mystical markings, turning them into l'Cie, servants that are found to complete an objective, called a Focus. However, the Focus is usually only conveyed via vague visions and hallucinations, the fal'Cie sometimes state clearly what the Focus is but not always, leaving it to the l'Cie to guess what their Focus is. Completing the Focus comes with a time limit, fail and you turn into a zombie-like Cie'th. Succeed and your reward is immortality...as a crystal statue, until someday the fal'Cie has need of you again and revives you with a new Focus, with all the same restrictions as before.

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* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'', the fal'Cie are {{Jerkass God}}s JerkassGods (well not actual gods but close to it) who run on BlueAndOrangeMorality, but in practice their methods are this trope. Fal'cie brand humans with mystical markings, turning them into l'Cie, servants that are found to complete an objective, called a Focus. However, the Focus is usually only conveyed via vague visions and hallucinations, the fal'Cie sometimes state clearly what the Focus is but not always, leaving it to the l'Cie to guess what their Focus is. Completing the Focus comes with a time limit, fail and you turn into a zombie-like Cie'th. Succeed and your reward is immortality...as a crystal statue, until someday the fal'Cie has need of you again and revives you with a new Focus, with all the same restrictions as before.



* ''[[VideoGame/BaldursGate Baldur's Gate II]]'' has some of this logic coming from an actual [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin insane]] [[AllTrollsAreDifferent troll]]. Here's the conversation if you try to keep a dialogue going as long as possible instead of attacking him right after he says:

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* ''[[VideoGame/BaldursGate Baldur's Gate II]]'' ''VideoGame/BaldursGateII'' has some of this logic coming from an actual [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin insane]] [[AllTrollsAreDifferent troll]]. Here's the conversation if you try to keep a dialogue going as long as possible instead of attacking him right after he says:



* In ''VideoGame/DwarfFortress'', it's possible for you to convict a crime victim of the very crime committed upon them -- for example, convicting the dwarf who has had his blood drained of draining his own blood. Your dwarves will actually be 'outraged at the bizarre conviction against all reason of the victim of a crime recently.' When you start looking among the world's events, [[spoiler: you seriously have to question certain deities' reasons for letting a demon out of hell. Sure, the more evil gods of misery and blood might just want some more of it, gods of valor might want heroes to have something to destroy, but just about ANY god can bring out a demon for reasons concerning ANY part of their sphere, be it youth, knowledge, or ''rainbows''. It's been documented at least one god brought a demon into Earth after pondering the ineffable subtleties of ''fish''. Perhaps the gods have their own AnimalWrongsGroup up there...]]

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* In ''VideoGame/DwarfFortress'', it's possible for you to convict a crime victim of the very crime committed upon them -- for example, convicting the dwarf who has had his blood drained of draining his own blood. Your dwarves will actually be 'outraged at the bizarre conviction against all reason of the victim of a crime recently.' When you start looking among the world's events, [[spoiler: you seriously have to question certain deities' reasons for letting a demon out of hell. Sure, the more evil gods of misery and blood might just want some more of it, gods of valor might want heroes to have something to destroy, but just about ANY god can bring out a demon for reasons concerning ANY part of their sphere, be it youth, knowledge, or ''rainbows''. It's been documented at least one god brought a demon into Earth after pondering the ineffable subtleties of ''fish''. Perhaps the gods have their own AnimalWrongsGroup up there...]]there..]].



--->'''Noire:''' (Noire Logic) Plutia HDD -> we win -> Planeptune citizens see Sadie -> freak -> Lastation wins!

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--->'''Noire:''' -->'''Noire:''' (Noire Logic) Plutia HDD -> we win -> Planeptune citizens see Sadie -> freak -> Lastation wins!



-->[[spoiler:'''Hades:''' Unfortunately for you, there's only [[ToiletHumor one way out!]]]]

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-->[[spoiler:'''Hades:''' Unfortunately for you, there's only [[ToiletHumor [[ToiletHumour one way out!]]]]



* In ''VideoGame/DawnOfWar'' EvilSorceror Syndri kills a hapless cultist who brought the news of the advancing SpaceMarine army, explaining that the cultists was "stupid enough to personally deliver bad news to [[BigBad Lord Bale]] and we cannot abide stupidity". By that logic, had his desire been fulfilled and there had been no stupid cultist in their band, they would not have gotten the news at all and the Space Marines would've caught them off-guard. Of course, that's Chaos for you.
* A major part of the flash game [[http://argumentchampion.com/ Argument Champion]] consists of intertwining arbitrarily chosen audience likes and dislikes with equally arbitrary concepts, often relying on a word with two or more definitions. For example, you can construct a "logical" chain connecting REBELLION to CEILING. Of course, shorter chains that rely on less ChewbaccaDefence reasoning get you more impressive opinion swings, but usually you'll find at least one.

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* In ''VideoGame/DawnOfWar'' EvilSorceror EvilSorcerer Syndri kills a hapless cultist who brought the news of the advancing SpaceMarine army, explaining that the cultists was "stupid enough to personally deliver bad news to [[BigBad Lord Bale]] and we cannot abide stupidity". By that logic, had his desire been fulfilled and there had been no stupid cultist in their band, they would not have gotten the news at all and the Space Marines would've caught them off-guard. Of course, that's Chaos for you.
* A major part of the flash game [[http://argumentchampion.com/ Argument Champion]] consists of intertwining arbitrarily chosen audience likes and dislikes with equally arbitrary concepts, often relying on a word with two or more definitions. For example, you can construct a "logical" chain connecting REBELLION to CEILING. Of course, shorter chains that rely on less ChewbaccaDefence ChewbaccaDefense reasoning get you more impressive opinion swings, but usually you'll find at least one.



--->'''Cervantes:''' I've not shaved since my very first battle. And have I ever lost? No! Not even once! Ergo, my moustache makes me invincible. It's science, my boy, science!

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--->'''Cervantes:''' -->'''Cervantes:''' I've not shaved since my very first battle. And have I ever lost? No! Not even once! Ergo, my moustache makes me invincible. It's science, my boy, science!



* Featured in "troll physics," a form of [[ImageBoard 4chan's]] /v/ board's UsefulNotes/MSPaint comics. For example, bread always lands butter-side down. Cats always land on their feet. Therefore, attaching a piece of buttered bread to a cat's back will result in Anti-gravity.

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* Featured in "troll physics," a form of [[ImageBoard [[ImageBoards 4chan's]] /v/ board's UsefulNotes/MSPaint comics. For example, bread always lands butter-side down. Cats always land on their feet. Therefore, attaching a piece of buttered bread to a cat's back will result in Anti-gravity.



* In ''TalesOfZenith'', Tam O'Shanter says that it's JFK's fault the Oklahoma City Courthouse was bombed. "JFK appointed his brother Attorney General. This got Congress so mad they passed a law that the president can't appoint any relatives to a cabinet position. This meant that Bill Clinton couldn't appoint his wife Attorney General, so when Waco happened, instead of Hillary talking it out with David Koresh, Janet Reno allowed the FBI to use tanks and tear gas, and people couldn't get out and died. As a result, Timothy McVeigh saw what happened and decided to blow up the Oklahoma City Courthouse. That's why it's JFK's fault, if he hadn't appointed his brother Attorney General, Hillary would have been able to be appointed, and she's too politically savvy to have made the mistake Janet Reno did."

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* In ''TalesOfZenith'', Tam O'Shanter says that it's JFK's fault the Oklahoma City Courthouse was bombed. "JFK appointed his brother Attorney General. This got Congress so mad they passed a law that the president can't appoint any relatives to a cabinet position. This meant that Bill Clinton couldn't appoint his wife Attorney General, so when Waco happened, instead of Hillary talking it out with David Koresh, Janet Reno allowed the FBI to use tanks and tear gas, and people couldn't get out and died. As a result, Timothy McVeigh [=McVeigh=] saw what happened and decided to blow up the Oklahoma City Courthouse. That's why it's JFK's fault, if he hadn't appointed his brother Attorney General, Hillary would have been able to be appointed, and she's too politically savvy to have made the mistake Janet Reno did."



* This [[http://mythbuster43.blogspot.com/2013/12/proof-that-obama-is-cthulhu.html blog post]] figures out the true identity of UsefulNotes/BarackObama: [[Franchise/TheCthulhuMythos Cthulhu]].

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* This [[http://mythbuster43.blogspot.com/2013/12/proof-that-obama-is-cthulhu.html blog post]] figures out the true identity of UsefulNotes/BarackObama: [[Franchise/TheCthulhuMythos [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos Cthulhu]].



* ''WebOriginal/FeedingTheTrolls'', as is obvious by the title, deals with a lot of InsaneTrollLogic arguments in the videos covered, but even then some truly special arguments like "Because I don't masturbate, I can literally get away with murder" and "Halloween is a new age liberal atheist communist Illuminati plot to promote communism, devil worship and Big Government" and "The Sun revolves around the Earth because if you wind up an old-fashioned clock, the key spins, and if you hold it by the key, the clock spins. But either way, that key is spinning" pop out on occasion.

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* ''WebOriginal/FeedingTheTrolls'', as is obvious by the title, deals with a lot of InsaneTrollLogic these arguments in the videos covered, but even then some truly special arguments like "Because I don't masturbate, I can literally get away with murder" and "Halloween is a new age liberal atheist communist Illuminati plot to promote communism, devil worship and Big Government" and "The Sun revolves around the Earth because if you wind up an old-fashioned clock, the key spins, and if you hold it by the key, the clock spins. But either way, that key is spinning" pop out on occasion.



* ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButtHead'' are frequently prone to this. Given their complete idiocy though, it's practically a given.
** One hilarious example is in "Sexual Harassment" where they sue a girl for sexual harassment. They think she is harassing them because she [[RagingStiffie gave them erections]] for being so hot.

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* ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButtHead'' are frequently prone to this. Given their complete idiocy though, it's practically a given.
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given. One hilarious example is in "Sexual Harassment" where they sue a girl for sexual harassment. They think she is harassing them because she [[RagingStiffie gave them erections]] for being so hot.



-->'''Homer''': [[TrademarkFavoriteFood Donut?]]
-->'''Lisa''': No thanks. Don't you have any fruit?
-->'''Homer''': This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit.

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-->'''Homer''': --->'''Homer''': [[TrademarkFavoriteFood Donut?]]
-->'''Lisa''':
Donut?]]\\
'''Lisa''':
No thanks. Don't you have any fruit?
-->'''Homer''':
fruit?\\
'''Homer''':
This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit.



-->'''Bart''': You're spending more money on bacon than you're getting for the grease.
-->'''Homer''': Yeah, but your mother pays for the bacon.
-->'''Bart''': Doesn't she get her money from you?
-->'''Homer''': And I get my money from grease. What's the problem?

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-->'''Bart''': --->'''Bart''': You're spending more money on bacon than you're getting for the grease.
-->'''Homer''':
grease.\\
'''Homer''':
Yeah, but your mother pays for the bacon.
-->'''Bart''':
bacon.\\
'''Bart''':
Doesn't she get her money from you?
-->'''Homer''':
you?\\
'''Homer''':
And I get my money from grease. What's the problem?



--->'''Burns''': Who's that fellow who always screws up and creates havoc?
--->'''Smithers''': Homer Simpson, sir? [''He indicates a CCTV screen which shows Homer enter his workstation and begin sawing through the console for no apparent reason'']
--->'''Burns''': Yes. The way I see it, he's due for a good performance!

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--->'''Burns''': Who's that fellow who always screws up and creates havoc?
--->'''Smithers''':
havoc?\\
'''Smithers''':
Homer Simpson, sir? [''He indicates a CCTV screen which shows Homer enter his workstation and begin sawing through the console for no apparent reason'']
--->'''Burns''':
reason'']\\
'''Burns''':
Yes. The way I see it, he's due for a good performance!



** Cartman relies on drinking Mountain Dew in order to stay awake and not [[DeathAsComedy die of boredom]] during the Season 16 episode "I Should Have Never Gone Ziplining". This combined with his [[BigEater usual diet]] causes all kinds of [[ToiletHumor bowel mishaps]]. When he resorts to drinking "Double Dew", a drink with twice the caffeine and sugar as regular Mountain Dew, Kyle points out the aforementioned harmful effects. Cartman points out that what he's drinking is actually ''Diet'' Double Dew, with only half the caffeine and sugar as regular Double Dew. Which, if you "[[{{Pun}} dew the math]]", means he's drinking regular Mountain Dew.

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** Cartman relies on drinking Mountain Dew in order to stay awake and not [[DeathAsComedy die of boredom]] during the Season 16 episode "I Should Have Never Gone Ziplining". This combined with his [[BigEater usual diet]] causes all kinds of [[ToiletHumor [[ToiletHumour bowel mishaps]]. When he resorts to drinking "Double Dew", a drink with twice the caffeine and sugar as regular Mountain Dew, Kyle points out the aforementioned harmful effects. Cartman points out that what he's drinking is actually ''Diet'' Double Dew, with only half the caffeine and sugar as regular Double Dew. Which, if you "[[{{Pun}} dew the math]]", means he's drinking regular Mountain Dew.



-->'''Archer:''' That wasn't her fault! Who puts Oxycontin in a Xanax bottle?\\

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-->'''Archer:''' --->'''Archer:''' That wasn't her fault! Who puts Oxycontin in a Xanax bottle?\\



* ''WesternAnimation/{{Histeria}}: What's the World's Oldest Woman's reasoning that the egg came before the chicken? Because you have eggs for breakfast and chicken for lunch, naturally.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Histeria}}: ''WesternAnimation/{{Histeria}}'': What's the World's Oldest Woman's reasoning that the egg came before the chicken? Because you have eggs for breakfast and chicken for lunch, naturally.
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* ''SecondWind'': In Chapter 3, Zoro mixes this with NoSenseOfDirection, thinking that left is the same as west, and wherever the compass is pointing is where they have to go. ''[[IdiotHero Luffy]]'' calls him out on it (after realizing the fallaciousness himself)…and he still doesn't get it.

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* ''SecondWind'': ''FanFic/SecondWind'': In Chapter 3, Zoro mixes this with NoSenseOfDirection, thinking that left is the same as west, and wherever the compass is pointing is where they have to go. ''[[IdiotHero Luffy]]'' calls him out on it (after realizing the fallaciousness himself)…and he still doesn't get it.
30th May '16 1:40:28 PM Pichu-kun
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* Osaka from ''Manga/AzumangaDaioh'' is full of this, but one case stands out in particular: she concludes she has to drown in order to learn how to swim, since drowned people always float (she had not yet figured out how to float).
** She also concludes that, since snails are not insects, they must in fact be bugs.

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* Osaka from ''Manga/AzumangaDaioh'' is full of this, but one case stands out in particular: she concludes she has to drown in order to learn how to swim, since drowned people always float (she had not yet figured out how to float).
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float). She also concludes that, since snails are not insects, they must in fact be bugs.



* ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite's'' very own AnimalWrongsGroup, Team Plasma. Especially the [[FacelessGoons grunts]] and their tendency to [[BlatantLies explain themselves]] along the lines of 'we're abusing this Pokemon to help it!'

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* ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite's'' very own ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'':
** The
AnimalWrongsGroup, Team Plasma. Especially the [[FacelessGoons grunts]] and their tendency to [[BlatantLies explain themselves]] along the lines of 'we're abusing this Pokemon to help it!'


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* One episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{Jem}}'' has the main characters stuck on a deserted island. After Jerrica disappears (as she has to keep up her alter ego as Jem), Pizzazz believes that she went on top of the island with reporters as a publicity stunt. Stormer notes how illogical that is but Pizzazz doesn't buy it.
25th May '16 8:52:54 PM Josef5678
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** In the Season 2 finale, the Watersons are sued and thrown in jail for the trail of carnage they left behind during all the season's antics. They try to invoke StatusQuoIsGod by maliciously leveling the entire town "So everyone forgets like they normally do". It doesn't work and the episode ends with the enraged citizens moving in to kill them. Though since this wasn't end of the series, it apparently worked ''somehow''.
* In one episode of ''WesternAnimation/FostersHomeForImaginaryFriends'', Mr. Herriman is sending any friend he comes across to their rooms without supper in order to hide that he's relapsed on his carrot addiction. Wilt warns Eduardo to stay out of his way, and Eduardo deduces that he can't avoid Mr. Herriman unless he knows where he is. Fair enough, but then he reaches the conclusion that [[ComicallyMissingThePoint the only way to avoid Herriman is to follow him around]].

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** In the Season 2 finale, the Watersons are sued and thrown in jail for the trail of carnage they left behind during all the season's antics. They try to invoke StatusQuoIsGod by maliciously leveling the entire town "So everyone forgets like they normally do". It doesn't work and the episode ends with the enraged citizens moving in to kill them. Though since this wasn't the end of the series, it apparently worked ''somehow''.
* ''WesternAnimation/FostersHomeForImaginaryFriends'':
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In one episode of ''WesternAnimation/FostersHomeForImaginaryFriends'', episode, Mr. Herriman is sending any friend he comes across to their rooms without supper in order to hide that he's relapsed on his carrot addiction. Wilt warns Eduardo to stay out of his way, and Eduardo deduces that he can't avoid Mr. Herriman unless he knows where he is. Fair enough, but then he reaches the conclusion that [[ComicallyMissingThePoint the only way to avoid Herriman is to follow him around]].



* DangerMouse tries to keep him and Penfold from being eaten by an alligator as Penfold mistook the alligator's tongue as a carpet. DM saves them thusly:

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* DangerMouse WesternAnimation/DangerMouse tries to keep him and Penfold from being eaten by an alligator as Penfold mistook the alligator's tongue as a carpet. DM saves them thusly:
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* Master Shake uses this quite often on ''WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForce''. One notable example is when he decided that the bus outside of the Aqua Teens' house was possessed by the ghost of {{Dracula}}. When Frylock disputes this by pointing out that it's 2:00 in the afternoon, Shake then claims that the bus is a "[[OurVampiresAreDifferent reverse vampire]]."

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* ''WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForce'':
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Master Shake uses this quite often on ''WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForce''.throughout the series. One notable example is when he decided that the bus outside of the Aqua Teens' house was possessed by the ghost of {{Dracula}}. When Frylock disputes this by pointing out that it's 2:00 in the afternoon, Shake then claims that the bus is a "[[OurVampiresAreDifferent reverse vampire]]."



** It [[SerialEscalation goes downhill from there]]. And this is a fairly standard episode of the show.



* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'': The villagers who tried Aang for his past life Kyoshi's involvement in the death of their great leader[[note]]who it was revealed was a bullying warlord who tried to [[BullyingADragon push Avatar Kyoshi around]] and died because he was too stupid to back down.[[/note]] used logic that failed so badly and was basically just, "We feel this way, so there." that the only way the episode could end was by them just getting over it (of course she actually was guilty, but that's neither here nor there).

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* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'': ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'':
**
The villagers who tried Aang for his past life Kyoshi's involvement in the death of their great leader[[note]]who it was revealed was a bullying warlord who tried to [[BullyingADragon push Avatar Kyoshi around]] and died because he was too stupid to back down.[[/note]] used logic that failed so badly and was basically just, "We feel this way, so there." that the only way the episode could end was by them just getting over it (of course she actually was guilty, but that's neither here nor there).



*** That little "trick" has been done in a ''lot'' of different cartoons (almost always successfully) where TimeTravel is involved, and this was neither the first nor last. (Probably the worst offender was in ''WesternAnimation/XiaolinShowdown'', where Omi found himself stuck in the past, so he went to where he knew Wuya's palace would be built, and actually ''froze himself'' using the Shen Gong Wu he had so that he could take a 5,000-year nap and be woken up in his own time, underneath the palace, after it had been built. (And the plan ''actually worked''.) The proper Trope for this trick would likely be ArtisticLicense and maybe, in some cases, CartoonPhysics.

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*** That little "trick" has been done in a ''lot'' * In an episode of different cartoons (almost always successfully) where TimeTravel is involved, and this was neither the first nor last. (Probably the worst offender was in ''WesternAnimation/XiaolinShowdown'', where Omi found himself stuck in the past, so he went to where he knew Wuya's palace would be built, and actually ''froze himself'' using the Shen Gong Wu he had so that he could take a 5,000-year nap and be woken up in his own time, underneath the palace, after it had been built. (And the plan ''actually worked''.) The proper Trope for this trick would likely be ArtisticLicense This is also an example of an ArtisticLicense, and maybe, in some cases, perhaps CartoonPhysics.



** In ''Roughly Squeaking'', mice Hubie and Bertie convince Claude the cat that he's actually a lion (and that the bulldog outside is a pelican). Hubie's logic; "A lion is a member of the cat family, so that means that a cat is a member of the lion family!"

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** In ''Roughly Squeaking'', "Roughly Squeaking", mice Hubie and Bertie convince Claude the cat that he's actually a lion (and that the bulldog outside is a pelican). Hubie's logic; "A lion is a member of the cat family, so that means that a cat is a member of the lion family!"



* Malory from ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}'' degenerates into this sometimes. For example:

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}'':
**
Malory from ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}'' degenerates into this sometimes. For example:



'''Lana:''' OK, I can't prove anything right now, but that's\\

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'''Lana:''' OK, I can't prove anything right now, but that's\\that's -\\



* What's [[WesternAnimation/{{Histeria}} the World's Oldest Woman's]] reasoning that the egg came before the chicken? Because you have eggs for breakfast and chicken for lunch, naturally.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Histeria}}: What's [[WesternAnimation/{{Histeria}} the World's Oldest Woman's]] Woman's reasoning that the egg came before the chicken? Because you have eggs for breakfast and chicken for lunch, naturally.



** In "[=MMMystery=] on the Friendship Express", Pinkie Pie makes wild assumptions that the other three bakers were responsible for eating her cake, skipping the part where you give reasons to your conclusions entirely. Twilight quickly points out that each of her claims were ridiculous.
** In "Applebuck Season", a sleep-deprived Applejack uses this to justify [[ICantHearYou all the ways she mishears]] Pinkie Pie's list of ingredients for the muffins they're making.

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** In "[=MMMystery=] "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E24MysteryOnTheFriendshipExpress MMMystery on the Friendship Express", Express]]", Pinkie Pie makes wild assumptions that the other three bakers were responsible for eating her cake, skipping the part where you give reasons to your conclusions entirely. Twilight quickly points out that each of her claims were ridiculous.
** In "Applebuck Season", "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E4ApplebuckSeason Applebuck Season]]", a sleep-deprived Applejack uses this to justify [[ICantHearYou all the ways she mishears]] Pinkie Pie's list of ingredients for the muffins they're making.



** Twilight Sparkle, while normally logical and calculating, has fallen to this a few times, most notably when she's trying to impress Princess Celestia. In "Lesson Zero," Twilight is about to miss sending the princess her weekly letter. Twilight responds that if she misses one assignment, the princess will think Twilight is not taking her studies seriously, and give her a test. If Twilight fails the test, she'll be sent back a grade. But because of how much she failed, she'll be sent to magic kindergarten. Therefore, missing any assignment will cause Twilight to go back to kindergarten.

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** Twilight Sparkle, while normally logical and calculating, has fallen to this a few times, most notably when she's trying to impress Princess Celestia. In "Lesson Zero," "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E3LessonZero Lesson Zero]]," Twilight is about to miss sending the princess her weekly letter. Twilight responds that if she misses one assignment, the princess will think Twilight is not taking her studies seriously, and give her a test. If Twilight fails the test, she'll be sent back a grade. But because of how much she failed, she'll be sent to magic kindergarten. Therefore, missing any assignment will cause Twilight to go back to kindergarten.
23rd May '16 9:32:43 PM Josef5678
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** In "Bart on the Road":

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** In "Bart "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS7E20BartOnTheRoad Bart on the Road":Road]]":



** In "Bart's Comet": After the comet fails to hit Springfield and burns up in the polluted atmosphere, Moe blames the observatory for the cause of the approaching comet. "[[ScienceIsBad Let's go burn down the observatory so this'll never happen again]]."

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** In "Bart's Comet": "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS6E14BartsComet Bart's Comet]]": After the comet fails to hit Springfield and burns up in the polluted atmosphere, Moe blames the observatory for the cause of the approaching comet. "[[ScienceIsBad Let's go burn down the observatory so this'll never happen again]]."
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* Kurama uses this to navigate Maze Castle in episode 18 of ''WebVideo/YuYuHakushoAbridged''.
* From [[http://gallifreybase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56225 a post]] on the DoctorWhoForums, arguing that Creator/VincentVanGogh is the Master in disguise:

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* %%* Kurama uses this to navigate Maze Castle in episode 18 of ''WebVideo/YuYuHakushoAbridged''.
* From [[http://gallifreybase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56225 a post]] on the DoctorWhoForums, Website/DoctorWhoForums, arguing that Creator/VincentVanGogh is the Master in disguise:



* An intentional invocation of this is a new meme out there: [[http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/troll-science-troll-physics Troll Physics/Troll Science]]. This consists of utilizing Insane Troll Logic for hilarious effects with science. The page there shows a lot of examples regarding Troll Science.

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* An intentional invocation of this is a new meme out there: the [[http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/troll-science-troll-physics Troll Physics/Troll Science]].Science]] meme. This consists of utilizing Insane Troll Logic for hilarious effects with science. The page there shows a lot of examples regarding Troll Science.



* [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-only-argument-internet-in-favor-sopa/ Soren of]] Website/{{Cracked}} explains why you should support SOPA[[note]]If you believe that, you deserve a Website/{{Darwin Award|s}}...[[/note]]

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* %%* [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-only-argument-internet-in-favor-sopa/ Soren of]] Website/{{Cracked}} explains why you should support SOPA[[note]]If you believe that, you deserve a Website/{{Darwin Award|s}}...[[/note]]
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