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8th Sep '16 6:03:22 PM jormis29
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** TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} too. Burn down an entire village because of possible chaos taint? Had to be done. BurnTheWitch definitely had to be done. And this is just the humans, the other 'good guy' races are just as bad.
* ''{{Exalted}}'' from WhiteWolf Games has the Sidereal Exalted, who masterminded the Usurpation that overthrew and murdered the Solar Exalted rulers of the setting. The Solars of the First Age were rapidly becoming mad and wicked tyrants, and the Sidereals saw two options: a MillionToOneChance to save Creation by redeeming them, or a near-certain chance to [[MurderIsTheBestSolution solve the problem by killing them all]], [[AfterTheEnd destroy the magitech infrastructure of the First Age]] and save what they could of Creation. They chose the latter, and the Bronze Faction maintain that their actions were correct to this day and are still correct. Whether they're right is fuel for endless disagreement, {{Flame War}}s and Administrivia/{{Natter}}.

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** TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' too. Burn down an entire village because of possible chaos taint? Had to be done. BurnTheWitch definitely had to be done. And this is just the humans, the other 'good guy' races are just as bad.
* ''{{Exalted}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' from WhiteWolf Games has the Sidereal Exalted, who masterminded the Usurpation that overthrew and murdered the Solar Exalted rulers of the setting. The Solars of the First Age were rapidly becoming mad and wicked tyrants, and the Sidereals saw two options: a MillionToOneChance to save Creation by redeeming them, or a near-certain chance to [[MurderIsTheBestSolution solve the problem by killing them all]], [[AfterTheEnd destroy the magitech infrastructure of the First Age]] and save what they could of Creation. They chose the latter, and the Bronze Faction maintain that their actions were correct to this day and are still correct. Whether they're right is fuel for endless disagreement, {{Flame War}}s and Administrivia/{{Natter}}.



* Urza in ''MagicTheGathering'' practically had this printed on a shirt. Let's put it this way: his plan to wreck the biomechanical hell of Phyrexia involved recruiting eight planeswalkers. One of said planeswalkers was a sociopathic murderer who Urza knew all along would try and kill the other planeswalkers; he let said murderer kill two, then hit the kill command for that murderer's powersuit and used his life energy to prime the bombs. While ranting about how everyone kept underestimating him, no less.

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* Urza in ''MagicTheGathering'' ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' practically had this printed on a shirt. Let's put it this way: his plan to wreck the biomechanical hell of Phyrexia involved recruiting eight planeswalkers. One of said planeswalkers was a sociopathic murderer who Urza knew all along would try and kill the other planeswalkers; he let said murderer kill two, then hit the kill command for that murderer's powersuit and used his life energy to prime the bombs. While ranting about how everyone kept underestimating him, no less.
21st Aug '16 12:25:48 PM nombretomado
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* Firewall in ''EclipsePhase'' do what they have to do. This doesn't make it any easier on their operatives when they have to [[ShootTheDog shoot a child]] [[ThrownOutTheAirlock out of an airlock]] to keep him from infecting others with a [[TheVirus virus]] that's raw BodyHorror.

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* Firewall in ''EclipsePhase'' ''TabletopGame/EclipsePhase'' do what they have to do. This doesn't make it any easier on their operatives when they have to [[ShootTheDog shoot a child]] [[ThrownOutTheAirlock out of an airlock]] to keep him from infecting others with a [[TheVirus virus]] that's raw BodyHorror.
17th Jul '16 8:43:34 AM ExoSaeptus
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*** It's kind of worth noting here that the Tau A) do resort to similar methods as the Imperium (keep the knowledge of Chaos from the common people, whatever methods are necessary) and B) are about as warp-sensitive as a particularly dull rock, meaning the risk of Chaos corrupting a Tau is somewhere roughly between zero and none. Additionally, the Imperium's brutal methods are at least arguably justified in-universe by the fact that they've seen the result of what happens when Chaos goes unchecked time and time again, and the harsh methods of the Inquisition has kept the Imperium together for ten thousand years. Finally, the Interex and their supposed success at combating Chaos is not only the exception to the rule, but also dubious considering the fact that they were closely allied with xenos that produced weapons dedicated to the powers of Chaos.
6th Jun '16 11:43:43 AM Doug86
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* After WorldWarI, Italian general Luigi Cadorna, best known for his draconian discipline measures, [[AttackAttackAttack inability to conceive a different tactic from the frontal attack]], practically establishing a dictature in everything but name and [[CurbStompBattle getting crushed at Caporetto]] before being sacked, wrote a book in which he justified almost all his actions with necessity. Doing only frontal attacks? There was no time nor resources to retrain the soldiers for different tactics, and he ''still'' managed to partly doing it ''and'' create the most feared special forces of the war. Retiring most troops and all airplanes from Libya, thus crippling the efforts to crush the Senussi rebellion while it's still weak? He needed them to fight Austria-Hungary, and they could reconquer Libya relatively easily once the war was won. The dictature? Necessary to fight a war without being crippled by Italy's {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s that caused the Italian Army to enter the war underequipped, and he could have taken over and established an actual dictature whenever he wanted (he actually got some flak from Mussolini for backing out of a coup attempt). That draconian discipline? It had to be done. What's worse, is that, aside for the draconian discipline, ''he was right''.
** To clarify: the Royal Italian Army was trained in Napoleonic Wars-era tactics that the war had just proved would fail against the combination of reticulate, trench lines and machine guns, and while he didn't have the time and resources to retrain the peacetime army and the recalled soldiers he could give better training to the newest batches of [[{{Conscription}} conscripts]], and in fact had the idea of calling the new classes one year early to give them all the necessary training before sending them to the front; for all the strength they managed to cumulate, the Senussi remained embarrassingly outgunned and were no match for even an half-serious counteroffensive (and in fact the remaining Italian garrisons casually spanked the Senussi during the war), and when FascistItaly decided it was time to reconquer the country the Senussi were quickly reduced to guerilla, before crushing it when the rebel leaders refused to compromise (and made clear in the process they could have wiped out the entire population, had they wished so); Italy's {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s had single-handedly made sure the Italian Army wouldn't have the equipment they needed (particularly egregious being the missed adoption of an indigenous machine gun comparable to the legendary Maxim because [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem the guy who had designed the]] [[ReliablyUnreliableGuns infamously bad FIAT Mod.1914 machine gun]] was on the commission and [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney was backed by the FIAT corporation]] and paying in advance a large batch of Maxim guns that ended up with half not being delivered due the start of WorldWarI and Italy being nominally allied with the Central Powers at the time, leading to the adoption of the Mod.1914) ''and'' caused Lybian rebellion due a combination of sabotage of the efforts to defeat the last remnants of resistance, antagonizing important tribal chiefs (including those of the Senussi), sabotaged the expedition that could and should have crushed the rebellion with ease (the expedition commander's arrogance played a part, but had he been given what he had asked he would have won with ease), and had Cadorna not established that dictature the Royal Italian Army wouldn't have had the weapons to fight the war. The discipline ended up lowering the troops' morale (to the point that at Caporetto many decided to just walk and return home upon hearing of the Austro-Hungarian breakthrough, making the situation much worse than it should have been, before they [[LetsGetDangerous decided the Austro-Hungarians had no right to invade Italian soil and started fighting like demons]]), but he was rightly infamous for that even before becoming the chief of staff, and that was the only one of his measures that his successor Armando Diaz did not adopt.

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* After WorldWarI, UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, Italian general Luigi Cadorna, best known for his draconian discipline measures, [[AttackAttackAttack inability to conceive a different tactic from the frontal attack]], practically establishing a dictature in everything but name and [[CurbStompBattle getting crushed at Caporetto]] before being sacked, wrote a book in which he justified almost all his actions with necessity. Doing only frontal attacks? There was no time nor resources to retrain the soldiers for different tactics, and he ''still'' managed to partly doing it ''and'' create the most feared special forces of the war. Retiring most troops and all airplanes from Libya, thus crippling the efforts to crush the Senussi rebellion while it's still weak? He needed them to fight Austria-Hungary, and they could reconquer Libya relatively easily once the war was won. The dictature? Necessary to fight a war without being crippled by Italy's {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s that caused the Italian Army to enter the war underequipped, and he could have taken over and established an actual dictature whenever he wanted (he actually got some flak from Mussolini for backing out of a coup attempt). That draconian discipline? It had to be done. What's worse, is that, aside for the draconian discipline, ''he was right''.
** To clarify: the Royal Italian Army was trained in Napoleonic Wars-era tactics that the war had just proved would fail against the combination of reticulate, trench lines and machine guns, and while he didn't have the time and resources to retrain the peacetime army and the recalled soldiers he could give better training to the newest batches of [[{{Conscription}} conscripts]], and in fact had the idea of calling the new classes one year early to give them all the necessary training before sending them to the front; for all the strength they managed to cumulate, the Senussi remained embarrassingly outgunned and were no match for even an half-serious counteroffensive (and in fact the remaining Italian garrisons casually spanked the Senussi during the war), and when FascistItaly decided it was time to reconquer the country the Senussi were quickly reduced to guerilla, before crushing it when the rebel leaders refused to compromise (and made clear in the process they could have wiped out the entire population, had they wished so); Italy's {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s had single-handedly made sure the Italian Army wouldn't have the equipment they needed (particularly egregious being the missed adoption of an indigenous machine gun comparable to the legendary Maxim because [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem the guy who had designed the]] [[ReliablyUnreliableGuns infamously bad FIAT Mod.1914 machine gun]] was on the commission and [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney was backed by the FIAT corporation]] and paying in advance a large batch of Maxim guns that ended up with half not being delivered due the start of WorldWarI UsefulNotes/WorldWarI and Italy being nominally allied with the Central Powers at the time, leading to the adoption of the Mod.1914) ''and'' caused Lybian rebellion due a combination of sabotage of the efforts to defeat the last remnants of resistance, antagonizing important tribal chiefs (including those of the Senussi), sabotaged the expedition that could and should have crushed the rebellion with ease (the expedition commander's arrogance played a part, but had he been given what he had asked he would have won with ease), and had Cadorna not established that dictature the Royal Italian Army wouldn't have had the weapons to fight the war. The discipline ended up lowering the troops' morale (to the point that at Caporetto many decided to just walk and return home upon hearing of the Austro-Hungarian breakthrough, making the situation much worse than it should have been, before they [[LetsGetDangerous decided the Austro-Hungarians had no right to invade Italian soil and started fighting like demons]]), but he was rightly infamous for that even before becoming the chief of staff, and that was the only one of his measures that his successor Armando Diaz did not adopt.
4th Jun '16 11:58:53 PM Eilevgmyhren
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** Eventually, they did.
15th May '16 1:02:58 AM Tron80
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* Deconstructed in ''Fanfic/NeonGenesisEvangelionGenocide''. [[BigBad Gendo]] labeled any atrocity he committed as “necessary sacrifice”. His second-in-command Fuyutsuki called his reasoning “bad excuse”.
-->The bridge crew had performed admirably given the circumstances, as Fuyutsuki had come to expect, even if they all knew that in following his orders they would be crippling themselves beyond repair. It was, as always, a necessary sacrifice.\\
Fuyutsuki almost laughed. He had lost track of how many times Ikari had used that justification for what NERV had done, and the atrocities they had committed. Lazy minds tended to drift towards the excuses that were familiar to them, usually as a simple matter of expediency; who could come up with a new excuse every time their decisions were questioned? But eventually the sacrifices deemed necessary added up to even greater costs than the things they were determined to prevent in the first place.
30th Apr '16 8:59:21 AM DannWoolf
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* SpiderMan breaks a promise to venom to let him go after capturing carnage. J. Jonah Jameson can't resist pulling a WhatTheHellHero by saying that Captain America would have kept his word. Spidey's response smacks of this trope.

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* SpiderMan breaks a promise to venom Venom to let him go after capturing carnage.Carnage. J. Jonah Jameson can't resist pulling a WhatTheHellHero by saying that Captain America would have kept his word. Spidey's response smacks of this trope.
30th Apr '16 8:59:21 AM DannWoolf
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17th Apr '16 5:18:13 AM Tron80
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* ''Fanfic/ChildrenOfAnElderGod'': When a terrorist group invaded NERV's German base, Shinji and Asuka killed several terrorists in self-defense. Neither of them was happy about killing humans, but they had to defend themselves.
-->"Me too. I...we did what we had to do," Shinji said. "I feel terrible about it, but we really didn't have a choice. They had...they had to be stopped, right?"\\
"Right," Asuka said. "We didn't have a choice. Really. They invaded our base and wanted to use us to fight for their madness instead of against the Angels. And they had...they had Katsuragi-san."
25th Mar '16 9:34:18 PM Chris116
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* During his recent interview with Sean Penn and Kate [=DeCastillio=], notorious drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman listed this trope as the reason he entered the drug business and ended up heading his cartel.
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