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20th Sep '17 4:16:22 PM MarqFJA
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This trope can also be called ''dystheism,'' or ''misotheism''; these are beliefs that a monotheistic god is, respectively, not wholly good or outright evil. This trope is often found in RageAgainstTheHeavens plots (and will likely invoke misotheism), and is a common belief of {{Nay Theist}}s.

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This trope can also be called ''dystheism,'' or ''misotheism''; ''maltheism''; these are beliefs that a monotheistic god is, respectively, not wholly good or outright evil. This trope is often found in RageAgainstTheHeavens plots (and will likely invoke misotheism), ''misotheism'' -- hatred of God or the gods), and is a common belief of {{Nay Theist}}s.



** ''Misotheism'' ("hatred of Gods") is a related concept to ''Maltheism'', but is more active in its meaning -- rather than mere belief in a malevolent God, misotheism is an outright hatred of said God. OlderThanFeudalism, maltheistic positions and characters appear in Icelandic sagas and in some Hellenistic sagas. It is distinct from Maltheism in the sense that, whilst Maltheism is the position that God is unworthy of worship, Misotheism is ''active hatred'' for God. Frequently leads to [[HollywoodAtheist Hollywood atheism]]. Several Norse saga characters, e.g. Hrafnkell on ''Hrafnkell's saga'' were called ''goðlauss'' (godless) because of their disdain of the Norse deities and rather relying on themselves.

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** ''Misotheism'' ("hatred of Gods") is a related concept to ''Maltheism'', but is more active in its meaning -- rather than mere belief in a malevolent God, misotheism is an outright hatred of said God.God, regardless of its actual nature (i.e. it can be that GodIsGood, and yet is hated by a particular person despite or even because of said goodness). OlderThanFeudalism, maltheistic positions and characters appear in Icelandic sagas and in some Hellenistic sagas. It is distinct from Maltheism maltheism in the sense that, whilst Maltheism maltheism is the position that God is unworthy of worship, Misotheism misotheism is ''active hatred'' for God. Frequently leads to [[HollywoodAtheist Hollywood atheism]]. Several Norse saga characters, e.g. Hrafnkell on ''Hrafnkell's saga'' were called ''goðlauss'' (godless) because of their disdain of the Norse deities and rather relying on themselves.
20th Sep '17 4:12:42 PM MarqFJA
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This trope can also be called ''dystheism,'' or ''maltheism''. These are beliefs that a monotheistic god is (respectively) [[TheGodsMustBeLazy lazy]] or evil. This trope is often found in RageAgainstTheHeavens plots (and will likely invoke ''misotheism'' -- hatred of God or the gods), and is a common belief of {{Nay Theist}}s.

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This trope can also be called ''dystheism,'' or ''maltheism''. These ''misotheism''; these are beliefs that a monotheistic god is (respectively) [[TheGodsMustBeLazy lazy]] is, respectively, not wholly good or outright evil. This trope is often found in RageAgainstTheHeavens plots (and will likely invoke ''misotheism'' -- hatred of God or the gods), misotheism), and is a common belief of {{Nay Theist}}s.
16th Sep '17 5:36:33 PM nombretomado
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* ''FamilyGuy'' mostly uses the idea that GodIsFlawed, but on a few occasions, does show him to be a real jerk, such as the revelation that for some reason, people who are handicapped on Earth remain handicapped in Heaven (which looks like a Sandals resort). He's also been shown to be rather short and annoyed with his followers.

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* ''FamilyGuy'' ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' mostly uses the idea that GodIsFlawed, but on a few occasions, does show him to be a real jerk, such as the revelation that for some reason, people who are handicapped on Earth remain handicapped in Heaven (which looks like a Sandals resort). He's also been shown to be rather short and annoyed with his followers.
4th Sep '17 11:42:00 AM petersohn
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* Creator/ArthurCClarke's short story ''The Star'' implies this. The protagonists investigate a supernova remnant, where they find a tiny planet with the ruins of a civilization that got destroyed when their sun went supernova. As they investigate the age of the supernova, they find out that [[spoiler:it's the Betlehem Star]].
24th Aug '17 1:32:54 PM DustSnitch
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In settings that take the controversial stance of God being evil, it is not uncommon for [[SatanIsGood his infernal opposite to be good]]. Or for his [[{{Jesus}} son]] to be [[JesusWasWayCool way cool]]. Other times, Satan may simply be TheStarscream. This [[GodAndSatanAreBothJerks isn't strictly necessary]], however, especially in darker {{Crapsack World}}s whose authors take a [[BlackAndGreyMorality more humanistic and/or existential stance on things]].

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In settings that take the controversial stance of God being evil, it is not uncommon for [[SatanIsGood his infernal opposite to be good]]. Or for his [[{{Jesus}} son]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} Son]] to be [[JesusWasWayCool way cool]]. Other times, Satan may simply be TheStarscream. This [[GodAndSatanAreBothJerks isn't strictly necessary]], however, especially in darker {{Crapsack World}}s whose authors take a [[BlackAndGreyMorality more humanistic and/or existential stance on things]].



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27th Jul '17 6:43:32 AM BeerBaron
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** Lorkhan, the creator deity who tricked/convinced some of his fellow et'Ada ("original spirits") to create Mundus, the mortal plane, is viewed as a malevolent entity by most of the [[OurElvesAreBetter races of Mer (Elves)]]. They consider creation a malevolent act which robbed the pre-creation spirits of their divinity and forced them into the prison of the mortal world where they experience death and suffering.

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** Lorkhan, the creator deity who tricked/convinced some of his fellow et'Ada ("original spirits") to create Mundus, the mortal plane, is viewed as a malevolent entity by most of the [[OurElvesAreBetter races of Mer (Elves)]]. They consider creation a malevolent act which robbed the pre-creation spirits of their divinity and forced them into the prison of the mortal world where they experience death and suffering. (The races of Men, on the other hand, generally see Lorkhan as [[GodIsGood benevolent entity]] who ''freed'' the pre-creation spirits from a prison of unchanging stasis.)
26th Jul '17 12:50:38 PM BeerBaron
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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' gods come in two varieties, the Aedra and the Daedra, namely: those who took part in the creation of Mundus and those who did not.
** The Aedra rarely affect mortal life directly, but tend to be worshiped by mortals for their contribution and are mostly believed to be benign.
** The BigBad of the ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'' is a self-proclaimed aspect of the leader of the Aedra Akatosh[[note]]Although there's plenty of in-game literature that suggests otherwise[[/note]], whose goal is nothing less than to devour the world.
** The Daedra - specifically the Daedric Princes - were disinterested in assisting in the creation of Mundus and merely leech on its existence to host their own realms of existence (seen to those on Nirn as other planets); likewise, their dealings with humans are typically less than ethical, save for Azura, who is considered the most compassionate Prince. It's a value dissonance. Of special note: Sheogorath, until recently, has a flair for unlocking the inner madness of his worshipers - "a bitter mercy" - and Mehrunes Dagon has been trying to conquer/destroy Tamriel for many thousands of its years because that's what he does.
** In the first expansion for ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'', ''Tribunal'', the main quest ends with you (the hero) [[spoiler: having to kill one of the Tribunal gods, Almalexia. It turns out she has gone mad and killed another god, Sotha Sil, and wants you to die as a martyr.]]
** In the Shivering Isles expansion for ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'' [[spoiler:you find out that Jyggalag, the daedric prince of order, became so powerful he threatened the other daedric princes, and thus was cursed with madness, transforming him into Sheogorath. You then free Jyggalag and [[AGodAmI take the mantle of]] Sheogorath.]]

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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' gods come series has several types of deity, which play with this trope in two varieties, different ways. To note:
** Lorkhan, the creator deity who tricked/convinced some of his fellow et'Ada ("original spirits") to create Mundus, the mortal plane, is viewed as a malevolent entity by most of the [[OurElvesAreBetter races of Mer (Elves)]]. They consider creation a malevolent act which robbed the pre-creation spirits of their divinity and forced them into the prison of the mortal world where they experience death and suffering.
** Those et'Ada who aided Lorkhan in creating Mundus would become known as
the Aedra and ("Our Ancestors" in [[ClassicalTongue Old Aldmeris]]). Due to being severely weakened by the Daedra, namely: those who took part in the creation act of Mundus and those who did not.
** The Aedra
creation, they [[HaveYouSeenMyGod rarely affect influence mortal life directly, but affairs directly]]. They tend to be worshiped by mortals mortals, both Men and Mer, for their contribution as the "Divines" and are mostly believed to be benign.
benevolent. One possible exception, depending on the interpretation, is Akatosh, the [[DragonsAreDivine draconic]] God of Time and TopGod of the Nine Divines pantheon. According to one prominent theory, the [[OurDragonsAreDifferent dragons]], including [[BeastOfTheApocalypse Alduin]], are fragments of his being. Dragons are [[DragonsAreDemonic beings of destruction and domination]], with Alduin having the responsibility of "eating the world" at the end of every [[EternalRecurrence "kalpa", or cycle of time]].
** The BigBad of et'Ada who did not aid Lorkhan are known as the ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'' is a self-proclaimed aspect of the leader of the Aedra Akatosh[[note]]Although there's plenty of in-game literature that suggests otherwise[[/note]], whose goal is nothing less than to devour the world.
** The
Daedra - specifically ("Not Our Ancestors"). Of them, the 17 most powerful are known as the Daedric Princes - were disinterested in assisting in Princes. Each has a particular sphere, which the creation of Mundus and merely leech on its existence are said to host govern from their own realms planes of existence (seen to those on Nirn as other planets); likewise, their dealings with humans Oblivion (the infinite void around Mundus) which they inhabit and rule. Though most are typically less than ethical, save for Azura, who is considered "evil," scholars are quick to point out that they are really beings AboveGoodAndEvil who operate on their own BlueAndOrangeMorality. The "Good" ones only seem that way because what they seek to accomplish is generally beneficial or benevolent toward mortals, while the most compassionate Prince. It's a value dissonance. Of special note: Sheogorath, until recently, has a flair for unlocking the inner madness of his worshipers - "a bitter mercy" - and "Evil" ones are more likely to harm mortals with their actions. For instance, Mehrunes Dagon has been trying to conquer/destroy Tamriel for many thousands of its years because that's what he does.
** In
is the first expansion for Daedric Prince of Destruction, but can be considered no more "evil" than a tidal wave or an earthquake.
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''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'', ''Tribunal'', Morrowind]]'':
*** In the main quest, BigBad Dagoth Ur is a true PhysicalGod, having tapped into the power of the [[CosmicKeystone Heart of Lorkhan]]. He channels his power from it, and has essentially become an EldritchAbomination. [[spoiler:The implication is that Dagoth Ur has discovered an unspeakably dangerous middle-ground between [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence CHIM]], [[TheOmnipotent Amaranth]] and [[CessationOfExistence Zero-Sum]] where he exists in a godlike state because of his awareness of [[GodOfGods Anu]]'s Dream but, unlike CHIM where he exists as one with it and maintains his own individuality, Amaranth where he exits the Dream to make his own, or Zero-Sum where he simply fades into the Dream, Dagoth Ur's ''twisted, traumatized and broken mind is being imprinted on the Dream of Anu'']]. Naturally, the [[PlayerCharacter Nerevarine]] must sever his (and the Tribunal's) ties to the Heart in order to stop him.
*** In the ''Tribunal'' expansion,
the main quest ends with you (the hero) the Nerevarine [[spoiler: having to kill Almalexia, one of the Tribunal gods, Almalexia. It turns out she gods. The loss of her divine power has gone mad and driven her mad. She has already killed another Tribunal god, Sotha Sil, and wants you to die as a martyr.]]
** In the Shivering Isles ''Shivering Isles'' expansion for ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'' [[spoiler:you find out that Jyggalag, the daedric prince Daedric Prince of order, Order, became so powerful he threatened the other daedric princes, Daedric Princes, and thus was cursed with madness, transforming him into Sheogorath. You then free Jyggalag and [[AGodAmI take the mantle of]] Sheogorath.]]
20th Jul '17 8:06:12 PM jamespolk
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* ''Film/TheVoormanProblem'': Voorman, a crazed prison inmate interviewed by psychiatrist Dr. Williams, turns out to actually be God. He tells Williams that wars amuse him. At the end he switches places with Williams, leaving to have sex with Williams's wife while Williams is locked in prison. Oh, and he literally wipes Belgium off the map.
11th Jul '17 8:47:03 PM azbyc15243
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11th Jul '17 8:46:12 PM azbyc15243
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* In a "not quite" case, the ''Manga/OnePiece'' crew travels to another society in the sky and is forced to battle a lightning-flinging man identifying himself as god; his subjects even have (seemingly nonfunctional) wings! Turns out in this society "God" is just the title given to their ruler...
** While that 'god' had the power level to back it up, later Celestial Dragons, who see themselves as living gods really live up to this trope. Thankfully they are much more punchable, if you can avoid the consequences.

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* 'Manga/OnePiece'':
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In a "not quite" case, the ''Manga/OnePiece'' Straw Hat crew travels to another society in the sky and is forced to battle a lightning-flinging man identifying himself as god; his subjects even have (seemingly nonfunctional) wings! Turns out in this society "God" is just the title given to their ruler...
** While that the aforementioned 'god' had the power level to back it up, later on the Celestial Dragons, who Dragons are revealed. They see themselves as living gods really live up to this trope.with an OmniscientMoralityLicense. Thankfully they are much more punchable, if you can avoid the consequences.



** Ironically, the Thor villain [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Gorr the God-Butcher]] both ''believes this'', being a HollywoodAtheist with a TraumaCongaLine background, and ''is this', as he's empowered by an uber-divine god-killing weapon that he uses to take RageAgainstTheHeavens to the level of hunting down, torturing and murdering every god he can find.

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** Ironically, the Thor villain [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Gorr the God-Butcher]] both ''believes this'', being a HollywoodAtheist with a TraumaCongaLine background, and ''is this', this'', as he's empowered by an uber-divine god-killing weapon that he uses to take RageAgainstTheHeavens to the level of hunting down, torturing and murdering every god he can find.


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* The White Queen in ''LightNovel/TheUnexploredSummonBloodSign''. She's seen as all-powerful and benevolent, but only the former is true. She's actually an incredible {{Yandere}} for Kyousuke, the main character, and doesn't care for anyone else. Unlike other examples of this trope, she doesn't hate humanity... but she's willing to do anything to make Kyousuke love her again, including endangering the entire world, so there's effectively no difference.
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