History Main / FamilyValuesVillain

9th Jun '16 5:18:56 PM nighttrainfm
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** Villain Mayor Richard Wilkins III is really the pinnacle of this trope. He's made deals with dozens of different demons, founded a town specifically so he could lure in people to be killed by monsters, orders numerous thefts and assassinations (including against newborn infants), and his master plan is to become a giant demon that will devour everyone in sight. But he still believes in setting a good example for the children, is disgusted by "immoral liaisons" at the local motel, and his last words to his vampire army before the final battle are, "And boys? Let's watch the swearing." Really, what makes the Mayor interesting is that there's never really ''any'' hint that his personality is the mask--it remains consistent throughout, except for a brief, understandable VillainousBreakdown after Buffy puts his MoralityPet [[LikeASonToMe Faith]] into a coma. Unlike many examples of this trope he's not really a KnightTemplar ''or'' a hypocrite--he's just [[AffablyEvil a generally nice guy whose chief ambition]], incongruously, is [[ScaledUp turning into a gigantic demon snake]]. In one episode he celebrates an evil scheme well done with a hearty "Gosh I'm feeling chipper! ''Who's for a root beer!?''" When he realizes his plan's gone amok [[spoiler:after ascending to demonhood and finding himself face-to-face with a room full of high explosives, his last words]] and only response is, "Well, gosh."

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** Villain Mayor Richard Wilkins III is really the pinnacle of this trope. He's made deals with dozens of different demons, founded a town specifically so he could lure in people to be killed by monsters, orders numerous thefts and assassinations (including against newborn infants), and his master plan is to become a giant demon that will devour everyone in sight. But he still believes in setting a good example for the children, is disgusted by "immoral liaisons" at the local motel, and his last words to his vampire army before the final battle are, "And boys? Let's watch the swearing." Really, what "
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makes the Mayor interesting is that there's never really ''any'' hint that his personality is the mask--it remains consistent throughout, except for a brief, understandable VillainousBreakdown after Buffy puts his MoralityPet [[LikeASonToMe Faith]] into a coma. Unlike many examples of this trope he's not really a KnightTemplar ''or'' a hypocrite--he's just [[AffablyEvil a generally nice guy whose chief ambition]], incongruously, is [[ScaledUp turning into a gigantic demon snake]]. In one episode he celebrates an evil scheme well done with a hearty "Gosh I'm feeling chipper! ''Who's for a root beer!?''" When he realizes his plan's gone amok [[spoiler:after ascending to demonhood and finding himself face-to-face with a room full of high explosives, his last words]] and only response is, "Well, gosh."
9th Jun '16 5:16:24 PM nighttrainfm
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** Malack himself easily qualifies. Just watch him discuss parenthood with Vaarsuvius, pursue vengeance against Nale for the death of his children, and [[spoiler: forcibly turn Durkon into a new member of his [[ILoveYouVampireSon vampiric "family"]] when their moral differences prove insurmountable]].

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** Malack himself easily qualifies. Just watch him discuss parenthood with Vaarsuvius, pursue vengeance against Nale for the death of his children, and [[spoiler: forcibly turn Durkon into a new member of his [[ILoveYouVampireSon vampiric "family"]] when their moral differences prove insurmountable]].insurmountable.]]
9th Jun '16 5:16:16 PM nighttrainfm
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* General Tarquin of ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''. He puts a "Baby on Board" sign on his war chariot, offers heartfelt apologizes to his partner in crime [[EvilChancellor Malack]] when Tarquin upsets him, is unfailing polite, and a devoted father. But he also leads a militaristic nation, burns escaped slaves alive. In a comic that sums up his relationship perfectly, he is laughing heartily eating ice cream with his son, while walking past a statue of Tarquin beheading someone.

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General Tarquin of ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''. He puts a "Baby on Board" sign on his war chariot, offers heartfelt apologizes apologies to his partner in crime [[EvilChancellor [[SinisterMinister Malack]] when Tarquin upsets him, is unfailing polite, and a devoted father. But he also leads a militaristic nation, burns has escaped slaves alive.burned alive as punishment, and regularly forces women to marry him through torture. In a comic that sums up his relationship perfectly, he is laughing heartily eating ice cream with his son, while walking past a statue of Tarquin beheading someone.
9th Jun '16 5:14:35 PM nighttrainfm
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* In ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', this is the Cardassians' [[PlanetOfHats Hat]], best exemplified by Gul Dukat.

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* In ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', this is the Cardassians' [[PlanetOfHats Hat]], best exemplified by Gul Dukat.Dukat - husband, father and totally unrepentant imperialist.
14th May '16 3:37:40 PM AdamC
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* Deconstructed slightly in ''Film/{{Scarface}}''. Tony ''tries'' to be a FamilyValuesVillain who's concerned with his long-suffering mother and baby sister, though it turns out they don't quite appreciate it. His mother is fully aware of what Tony did to become "a success" and is openly ashamed of his gangster lifestyle. His sister keeps an open mind and loves Tony in spite of his faults [[spoiler: but her relationship with Tony winds up costing her her life. Tony attempts to play this Trope straight by refusing to kill a politician while he's riding in a car with his children, only to find the cartel he's allied himself with aren't pleased with this arbitrary sense of morality and promptly gun him down.]]
4th May '16 11:05:15 AM MsChibi
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Compare StraightEdgeEvil, EvilVirtues, and ChurchgoingVillain. Contrast with MoralDissonance or ValuesDissonance, where an ostensibly family-friendly character can ''unintentionally'' appear villainous to some. Almost always certain to be AffablyEvil. Occasionally overlaps with HeteronormativeCrusader and HonorRelatedAbuse.

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Compare StraightEdgeEvil, EvilVirtues, and ChurchgoingVillain. Contrast with MoralDissonance or ValuesDissonance, where an ostensibly family-friendly character can ''unintentionally'' appear villainous to some. Almost always certain to be AffablyEvil. Occasionally overlaps with HeteronormativeCrusader HeteronormativeCrusader, NewMediaAreEvil, and HonorRelatedAbuse.HonorRelatedAbuse. See also TheWarOnStraw.
4th May '16 11:03:32 AM MsChibi
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And for a handful of villains, that line is, "Anything [[Series/TheBradyBunch the Brady kids]] learned AnAesop about." Yes, these are bad guys who believe in good old fashioned family values. Being a kingpin in the international drug trade might be fine, but giving alcohol to minors, most certainly not! It's their duty as a loyal citizen to show respect and admiration for the local police, but nothing says they can't do that ''and'' bribe the cops into murdering their enemies. [[SexIsEvilAndIAmHorny And, of course]], sexual intercourse outside of marriage is strictly prohibited… unless it's non-consensual, then they can just go wild.

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And for a handful of villains, that line is, "Anything [[Series/TheBradyBunch the Brady kids]] learned AnAesop about." Yes, these are bad guys who believe in good old fashioned family values. Being a kingpin in the international drug trade might be fine, but giving alcohol to minors, most certainly not! It's their duty as a loyal citizen to show respect and admiration for the local police, but nothing says they can't do that ''and'' bribe the cops into murdering their enemies. [[SexIsEvilAndIAmHorny And, of course]], sexual intercourse outside of marriage (especially if it's not done with the intention of baby-making) is strictly prohibited… unless it's non-consensual, then they can just go wild.



Compare StraightEdgeEvil, EvilVirtues, and ChurchgoingVillain. Contrast with MoralDissonance or ValuesDissonance, where an ostensibly family-friendly character can ''unintentionally'' appear villainous to some. Almost always certain to be AffablyEvil.

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Compare StraightEdgeEvil, EvilVirtues, and ChurchgoingVillain. Contrast with MoralDissonance or ValuesDissonance, where an ostensibly family-friendly character can ''unintentionally'' appear villainous to some. Almost always certain to be AffablyEvil.
AffablyEvil. Occasionally overlaps with HeteronormativeCrusader and HonorRelatedAbuse.
30th Apr '16 3:01:20 AM Fireblood
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** When Jabba the Hutt had captured the Heroes of Yavin and enslaved Leia, he handed her over to Boba Fett for the night. When Leia prepared to defend herself against a rape attempt, Fett all but rolled his eyes, gave Leia a lecture on the wrongs of premarital sex, and sat beside the door all night so that Leia could have the bed. He may be the nastiest bounty hunter in the galaxy, but he will not abandon his convictions.

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** When Jabba the Hutt had captured the Heroes of Yavin and enslaved Leia, he handed her over to Boba Fett for the night. When Leia prepared to defend herself against a rape attempt, Fett all but rolled his eyes, gave Leia a lecture on the wrongs of premarital sex, and sat beside the door all night so that Leia could have the bed. He may be the nastiest bounty hunter in the galaxy, but he will not abandon his convictions. Later stories show him as entirely faithful to his wife, even after they've become estranged and lived separately for years (this [[CanonDiscontinuity contradicts earlier material]] where he had never even ''held'' a woman).



** All of Baltimore's gangsters can be taken into consideration since they all abide to the "Sunday Truce" in which all beef is put aside so the people of west Baltimore (gangsters and citizens alike) can attend church with no fear of violence. When the truce is violated, the two shooters are chewed out and ridiculed mercilessly for such a shame.

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** All of Baltimore's gangsters can be taken into consideration since they all abide to by the "Sunday Truce" in which all beef is put aside so the people of west Baltimore (gangsters and citizens alike) can attend church with no fear of violence. When the truce is violated, the two shooters are chewed out and ridiculed mercilessly for such a shame.



* The Governor from ''Series/TheWalkingDead'' is this. He hides his villainy behind a facade of Southern charm, and seems at time to genuinely care about the people living in the town. He is, however, not averse to committing acts of violence.

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* The Governor from ''Series/TheWalkingDead'' is this. He hides his villainy behind a facade of Southern charm, and seems at time times to genuinely care about the people living in the town. He is, however, not averse to committing acts of violence.



--> '''Scorpio''' ''(while supervising defense against a Special Forces attack while his doomsday weapon ticks down in the background):'' Well, Homer, I hate to lose you; gonna miss you. But you have to do what's best for your family. And listen, [[MoodWhiplash if you could kill someone on your way out,]] that'd be a big help. ''(picks up a flamethrower)'' Bye now!

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--> '''Scorpio''' ''(while supervising defense against a US Special Forces attack while his doomsday weapon ticks down in the background):'' Well, Homer, I hate to lose you; gonna miss you. But you have to do what's best for your family. And listen, [[MoodWhiplash if you could kill someone on your way out,]] that'd be a big help. ''(picks up a flamethrower)'' Bye now!
14th Apr '16 6:01:20 PM Eievie
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->'''Faith:''' Thanks, SugarDaddy!
->'''The Mayor:''' Faith, I don't find that sort of thing amusing, I'm a family man. Now, let's kill your little friend.

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->'''Faith:''' Thanks, SugarDaddy!
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Mayor:''' Faith, I don't find that sort of thing amusing, I'm a family man. Now, let's kill your little friend.



Some villains [[EvenEvilHasStandards have standards]]. They might have no problem gunning cops down in cold blood, but [[WouldntHurtAChild they aren't going to do anything to children]]. Or they might be willing to blow up a city for [[KnightTemplar a holy cause]], but not for [[{{Greed}} money]]. Somewhere they have to draw the line - because, if that line doesn't exist, [[WhatIsEvil good and evil cease to have any meaning at all]].

And for a handful of villains, that line is, "Anything [[Series/TheBradyBunch the Brady kids]] learned AnAesop about." Yes, these are bad guys who believe in good old fashioned family values. Being a kingpin in the international drug trade might be fine, but giving alcohol to minors, most certainly not! It's their duty as a loyal citizen to show respect and admiration for the local police, but nothing says they can't do that ''and'' bribe the cops into murdering their enemies. [[SexIsEvilAndIAmHorny And, of course]], sexual intercourse outside of marriage is strictly prohibited ... unless it's non-consensual, then they can just go wild.

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Some villains [[EvenEvilHasStandards have standards]]. They might have no problem gunning cops down in cold blood, but [[WouldntHurtAChild they aren't going to do anything to children]]. Or they might be willing to blow up a city for [[KnightTemplar a holy cause]], but not for [[{{Greed}} money]]. Somewhere they have to draw the line - because, line--because, if that line doesn't exist, [[WhatIsEvil good and evil cease to have any meaning at all]].

And for a handful of villains, that line is, "Anything [[Series/TheBradyBunch the Brady kids]] learned AnAesop about." Yes, these are bad guys who believe in good old fashioned family values. Being a kingpin in the international drug trade might be fine, but giving alcohol to minors, most certainly not! It's their duty as a loyal citizen to show respect and admiration for the local police, but nothing says they can't do that ''and'' bribe the cops into murdering their enemies. [[SexIsEvilAndIAmHorny And, of course]], sexual intercourse outside of marriage is strictly prohibited ... prohibited… unless it's non-consensual, then they can just go wild.



But then again, some just don't seem to see anything odd about speaking an arcane ritual to [[TheLegionsOfHell summon horrific demons into the mortal plane]], then lecture some kids about saying "[[GoshDangItToHeck darn]]" instead of "damn." [[note]]Granted, it could be because [[EscapedFromHell they know a thing or two about damnation firsthand]] and are insulted to hear those young whippersnappers refer to it so triflingly...[[/note]]

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But then again, some just don't seem to see anything odd about speaking an arcane ritual to [[TheLegionsOfHell summon horrific demons into the mortal plane]], then lecture some kids about saying "[[GoshDangItToHeck darn]]" [[GoshDangItToHeck "darn"]] instead of "damn." "damn".[[note]]Granted, it could be because [[EscapedFromHell they know a thing or two about damnation firsthand]] and are insulted to hear those young whippersnappers refer to it so triflingly...[[/note]]
triflingly…[[/note]]



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* While their styles of parenting range from hands off to strict/abusive, the supervillain parents in ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' [[VillainsOutShopping maintain normal upper middle class lives when not involved in villainy]] and have typical expectations of their children being successful and want to make the world a better place for them, and believe they are doing what is best for them... by letting the Gibborim destroy and remake it so their kids can live in paradise. The series is practically the poster child for EvenEvilHasLovedOnes / EvilParentsWantGoodKids.

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* While their styles of parenting range from hands off to strict/abusive, the supervillain parents in ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' [[VillainsOutShopping maintain normal upper middle class lives when not involved in villainy]] and have typical expectations of their children being successful and want to make the world a better place for them, and believe they are doing what is best for them... by letting the Gibborim destroy and remake it so their kids can live in paradise. The series is practically the poster child for EvenEvilHasLovedOnes / EvilParentsWantGoodKids.EvenEvilHasLovedOnes[=/=]EvilParentsWantGoodKids.



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* Also from the StarWarsExpandedUniverse, the Yuuzhan Vong from ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' have a strong streak of this mixed in with being the CombatSadomasochist ScaryDogmaticAliens they're better known as. The fundamental basis of Vong society is the Domain - essentially, clan or extended family. Domain loyalty is a ''huge'' deal (to the extent that the idea of refusing to aid even a member of your Domain that you hate personally is unthinkable), and Vong characters will go to extreme lengths to protect family honor. This is most exemplified by [[TheDragon Warmaster Tsavong Lah]], who greatly reveres his father Czulkang, treats him with utmost respect despite their having once bitterly argued over the direction of Yuuzhan Vong policy, and is utterly devastated when the old man dies in battle (Czulkang returns the favor, reserving his last words for his son's ears alone, and then refusing to speak again even to give his crew final orders so he won't break his promise). Furthermore, when one of Lah's spies reports that Han Solo and Leia Organa are not on speaking terms at the moment despite being married, the Warmaster is stunned - after all, by human standards it's a comparatively mild fight that gets resolved by the end of the book, but to the Vong, that kind of inner-family strife is shockingly dysfunctional. Later in the series, the heroes even note that the Vong's family values may be alien, but they're very strong.

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* Also from the StarWarsExpandedUniverse, the Yuuzhan Vong from ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' have a strong streak of this mixed in with being the CombatSadomasochist ScaryDogmaticAliens they're better known as. The fundamental basis of Vong society is the Domain - essentially, Domain--essentially, clan or extended family. Domain loyalty is a ''huge'' deal (to the extent that the idea of refusing to aid even a member of your Domain that you hate personally is unthinkable), and Vong characters will go to extreme lengths to protect family honor. This is most exemplified by [[TheDragon Warmaster Tsavong Lah]], who greatly reveres his father Czulkang, treats him with utmost respect despite their having once bitterly argued over the direction of Yuuzhan Vong policy, and is utterly devastated when the old man dies in battle (Czulkang returns the favor, reserving his last words for his son's ears alone, and then refusing to speak again even to give his crew final orders so he won't break his promise). Furthermore, when one of Lah's spies reports that Han Solo and Leia Organa are not on speaking terms at the moment despite being married, the Warmaster is stunned - after stunned--after all, by human standards it's a comparatively mild fight that gets resolved by the end of the book, but to the Vong, that kind of inner-family strife is shockingly dysfunctional. Later in the series, the heroes even note that the Vong's family values may be alien, but they're very strong.



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--->'''Vaarsuvius:''' Have you considered adoption? I'm certain this war climate provides no shortage of orphans.
--->'''Malack:''' It has crossed my mind, but I'm worried about not having, you know, that special bond...

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--->'''Vaarsuvius:''' Have you considered adoption? I'm certain this war climate provides no shortage of orphans.
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It has crossed my mind, but I'm worried about not having, you know, that special bond...



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6th Apr '16 8:09:30 PM R1ck
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** An equally good Tarquin moment happens before he's even introduced. When Nale describes the tyrannical general father who raised him, there's a panel depicting the then-nameless general slaughtering his enemies from a spiky war chariot... with a "Baby On Board" bumper sticker.
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