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* '''Valor.''' To quote [[{{Highlander}} The Kurgan]] (and NeilYoung): ''"It's better to burn out than to fade away!"'' Villains despise weakness. So even when they know they're going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, he's not going down without a fight.

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* '''Valor.''' To quote [[{{Highlander}} The Kurgan]] (and NeilYoung): ''"It's better to burn out than to fade away!"'' Villains despise weakness. So even when they know they're probably going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, he's not going down without a fight.
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->You wrote to me once, listing the [[SevenHeavenlyVirtues four chief virtues]]: [[TheWisePrince Wisdom]], [[ForGreatJustice Justice]], [[{{Determinator}} Fortitude]] and [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Temperance]]. As I read the list, I knew I had none of them. But I have other virtues, father. [[AmbitionIsEvil Ambition]]. That can be a virtue when it drives us to excel. [[TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty Resourcefulness]], [[ManipulativeBastard Courage]] - perhaps not on the battlefield, but... there are many forms of courage. [[IncestIsRelative Devotion]], to my family and to you. But none of my virtues were on your list. Even then it was [[WellDoneSonGuy as if you didn't want me for your son.]]

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->You wrote to me once, listing the [[SevenHeavenlyVirtues four chief virtues]]: [[TheWisePrince Wisdom]], [[ForGreatJustice Justice]], [[{{Determinator}} Fortitude]] and [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Temperance]]. As I read the list, I knew I had none of them. But I have other virtues, father. [[AmbitionIsEvil Ambition]]. That can be a virtue when it drives us to excel. [[TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty Resourcefulness]], [[ManipulativeBastard [[VillainousValor Courage]] - perhaps not on the battlefield, but... there are many forms of courage. [[IncestIsRelative Devotion]], to my family and to you. But none of my virtues were on your list. Even then it was [[WellDoneSonGuy as if you didn't want me for your son.]]
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* '''Valor.''' To quote [[{{Highlander}} The Kurgan]]: ''"It's better to burn out than to fade away!"'' Villains despise weakness. So even when they know they're going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, he's not going down without a fight.

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* '''Valor.''' To quote [[{{Highlander}} The Kurgan]]: Kurgan]] (and NeilYoung): ''"It's better to burn out than to fade away!"'' Villains despise weakness. So even when they know they're going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, he's not going down without a fight.
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* '''Love.''' Despite LoveRedeems, a surprising number of baddies [[UnholyMatrimony love either their spouses]], [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas parents]], [[DaddysLittleVillain children,]] or even underling/superior while remaining evil. Of course, it's worth mentioning that LoveMakesYouEvil and [[LoveMakesYouCrazy Crazy]]. With Love as a villain's virtue, the result is often UnholyMatrimony.

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* '''Love.'''[[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes Love]].''' Despite LoveRedeems, a surprising number of baddies [[UnholyMatrimony love either their spouses]], [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas parents]], [[DaddysLittleVillain children,]] or even underling/superior while remaining evil. Of course, it's worth mentioning that LoveMakesYouEvil and [[LoveMakesYouCrazy Crazy]]. With Love as a villain's virtue, the result is often UnholyMatrimony.

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* '''Valor.''' To quote Kurgan: ''"It's better to burn out than to fade away!"'' Villains despise weakness. So even when they know they're going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, he's not going down without a fight.

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* '''Valor.''' To quote Kurgan: [[{{Highlander}} The Kurgan]]: ''"It's better to burn out than to fade away!"'' Villains despise weakness. So even when they know they're going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, he's not going down without a fight.
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* '''Valor.''' To quote Kurgan: "It's better to burn out than to fade away!" Villains despise weakness. So even when they know they're going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, he's not going down without a fight.

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* '''Valor.''' To quote Kurgan: "It's ''"It's better to burn out than to fade away!" away!"'' Villains despise weakness. So even when they know they're going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, he's not going down without a fight.
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* '''Valor.''' To quote Kurgan: "It's better to burn out than to fade away!" Villains despise weakness. So even when they know they're going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, he's not going down without a fight.
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* '''Selflessness.''' Most villains who try to create a better world don't do it for themselves. They rarely expect thanks for bearing all the difficulties and many accept it that they may not even be able to enjoy the results. Yet they are often willing to sacrifice their popularity and even their life for the greater good.

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* '''Selflessness.''' Most villains who try to create a better world don't do it for themselves. They rarely expect thanks for bearing all the difficulties and many accept it that they [[NoPlaceForMeThere may not even be able to enjoy the results.results]]. Yet they are often willing to sacrifice their popularity and even their life for the greater good.
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* '''Honesty.''' Though rare, some villains ''[[VillainsNeverLie don't]]'' [[ILied lie]], and insist that [[IGaveMyWord keeping a promise is a matter of honor.]] In organised crime settings, a villain will not get far without a reputation for honesty.

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* '''Honesty.''' '''[[LawfulEvil Honesty.]]''' Though rare, some villains ''[[VillainsNeverLie don't]]'' [[ILied lie]], and insist that [[IGaveMyWord keeping a promise is a matter of honor.]] In organised crime settings, a villain will not get far without a reputation for honesty.
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* '''Hard Work.''' Despite EvilIsEasy and TheDarkSide making access to power easier, many villains will undergo much more extreme ordeals and protracted effort than heroes, who usually benefit from HardWorkHardlyWorks. Is it any wonder the bad guy did a FaceHeelTurn in frustration?

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* '''Hard '''[[VillainsActHeroesReact Hard Work.''' ]]''' Despite EvilIsEasy and TheDarkSide making access to power easier, many villains will undergo much more extreme ordeals and protracted effort than heroes, who usually benefit from HardWorkHardlyWorks. Is it any wonder the bad guy did a FaceHeelTurn in frustration?

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* '''Determination''' Sometimes when a villain [[VillainousValor keeps on trying despite]] being stomped into the ground a million times, and still gets up and [[{{Determinator}} keeps going after his goals]] regardless of the constant beatings, you have to at least admire their tenacity somewhat. In general, [[VillainousBreakdown villainous breakdowns]] are significantly less common (though also much more spectacular) than a [[HeroicBSOD hero falling to bits after a major defeat]].



* '''Determination''' Sometimes when a villain [[VillainousValor keeps on trying despite]] being stomped into the ground a million times, and still gets up and [[{{Determinator}} keeps going after his goals]] regardless of the constant beatings, you have to at least admire their tenacity somewhat. In general, [[VillainousBreakdown villainous breakdowns]] are significantly less common (though also much more spectacular) than a [[HeroicBSOD hero falling to bits after a major defeat]].

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* '''Determination''' Sometimes when a villain [[VillainousValor keeps on trying despite]] being stomped into the ground a million times, and still gets up and [[{{Determinator}} keeps going after his goals]] regardless of the constant beatings, you have to at least admire their tenacity somewhat. In general, [[VillainousBreakdown villainous breakdowns]] are significantly less common (though also much more spectacular) than a [[HeroicBSOD hero falling to bits after a major defeat]].
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* '''Responsibility.''' Villains '''care'''. Even if they [[WellIntentionedExtremist go the wrong way about fixing problems]], they are a lot more sensitive to noticing them.

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* '''Responsibility.''' Villains Some villains '''care'''. Even if they [[WellIntentionedExtremist go the wrong way about fixing problems]], they are a lot more sensitive to noticing them.
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Villains are bad, it goes without saying. However they can't be ''all'' bad for the simple reason that a character loaded down with '''all''' of the SevenDeadlySins (along with whatever other character flaws writers can think of) will be too lazy, gluttonous, envious, prideful, angry, lusty and miserly to ''do'' much of anything.

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Villains are bad, it goes without saying. However However, they can't be ''all'' bad for the simple reason that a character loaded down with '''all''' of the SevenDeadlySins (along with whatever other character flaws writers can think of) will be too lazy, gluttonous, envious, prideful, angry, lusty and miserly to ''do'' much of anything.
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Contrast MrViceGuy, where a hero has an emblematic vice. This trope is very, ''[[OmnipresentTropes very]]'' common. Not to be confused with VillainousValor, though bravery could be another villain's virtue. After all, if you're trying to take over the world, you're up against pretty much ''everyone'', and thus it helps quite a bit to be able to look at an army six billion strong, smile confidently, and say "Bring it on."

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Contrast MrViceGuy, where a hero has an emblematic vice. This trope is very, ''[[OmnipresentTropes very]]'' common. Not to be confused with VillainousValor, though bravery could be another villain's virtue. After all, if you're trying to take over the world, you're up against pretty much ''everyone'', and thus it helps quite a bit to be able to look at an army [[RousseauWasRight six billion strong, strong]], smile confidently, and say "Bring it on."
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* '''Loyalty''' is a pretty even split between heroic and villainous. This isn't being a LawfulEvil RulesLawyer mind you, because these types can still be TheStarScream, but PowerOfTrust brand loyalty where even a ChaoticEvil type will avoid betrayal.

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* '''Loyalty''' is a pretty even split between heroic and villainous. This isn't being a LawfulEvil RulesLawyer mind you, because these types can still be TheStarScream, TheStarscream, but PowerOfTrust brand loyalty where even a ChaoticEvil type will avoid betrayal.
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* '''Honesty.''' Though rare, some villains ''[[VillainsNeverLie don't]]'' [[ILied lie]], and insist that [[IGaveMyWord keeping a promise is a matter of honor.]] In organsied crime settings, a villain will not get far without a reputation for honesty.

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* '''Honesty.''' Though rare, some villains ''[[VillainsNeverLie don't]]'' [[ILied lie]], and insist that [[IGaveMyWord keeping a promise is a matter of honor.]] In organsied organised crime settings, a villain will not get far without a reputation for honesty.
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Even if they only have one vice, a villain is going to need a big heaping of icky good traits in order to accomplish their goals. They don't have to be an AntiVillain[[hottip:* :(Though villains with enough virtues usually end up switching categories, if not pull a HeelFaceTurn)]] they just need to have one or more of the SevenHeavenlyVirtues or another good trait to get by. The reason for this is both practical and artistic. Practically, a villain with a virtue of some kind will have a way to put their schemes in motion and [[TheAntagonist effectively oppose]] TheHero. Without these virtues, authors would have to resort to making them a BoringInvincibleVillain to get anything done. Artistically, it helps make the villain a RoundedCharacter, and helps make them [[DynamicCharacter dynamic]] if their virtue and vice are [[CharacterDevelopment somehow in conflict.]]

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Even if they only have one vice, a villain is going to need a big heaping of icky good traits in order to accomplish their goals. They don't have to be an AntiVillain[[hottip:* AntiVillain,[[hottip:* :(Though villains with enough virtues usually end up switching categories, if not pull a HeelFaceTurn)]] they just need to have one or more of the SevenHeavenlyVirtues or another good trait to get by. The reason for this is both practical and artistic. Practically, a villain with a virtue of some kind will have a way to put their schemes in motion and [[TheAntagonist effectively oppose]] TheHero. Without these virtues, authors would have to resort to making them a BoringInvincibleVillain to get anything done. Artistically, it helps make the villain a RoundedCharacter, and helps make them [[DynamicCharacter dynamic]] if their virtue and vice are [[CharacterDevelopment somehow in conflict.]]
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->You wrote to me once, listing the four chief virtues: Wisdom, justice, fortitude and temperance. As I read the list, I knew I had none of them. But I have other virtues, father. [[AmbitionIsEvil Ambition]]. That can be a virtue when it drives us to excel. [[TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty Resourcefulness]], [[ManipulativeBastard courage]], perhaps not on the battlefield, but... there are many forms of courage. [[IncestIsRelative Devotion]], to my family and to you. But none of my virtues were on your list. Even then it was [[WellDoneSonGuy as if you didn't want me for your son.]]
--> -- '''Comodus''' in ''{{Gladiator}}'', just before suffocating his father and framing Maximus.

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->You wrote to me once, listing the [[SevenHeavenlyVirtues four chief virtues: Wisdom, justice, fortitude virtues]]: [[TheWisePrince Wisdom]], [[ForGreatJustice Justice]], [[{{Determinator}} Fortitude]] and temperance.[[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Temperance]]. As I read the list, I knew I had none of them. But I have other virtues, father. [[AmbitionIsEvil Ambition]]. That can be a virtue when it drives us to excel. [[TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty Resourcefulness]], [[ManipulativeBastard courage]], Courage]] - perhaps not on the battlefield, but... there are many forms of courage. [[IncestIsRelative Devotion]], to my family and to you. But none of my virtues were on your list. Even then it was [[WellDoneSonGuy as if you didn't want me for your son.]]
--> -- '''Comodus''' '''Commodus''' in ''{{Gladiator}}'', just before suffocating his father and framing Maximus.
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* '''Honesty.''' Though rare, some villains ''[[VillainsNeverLie don't]]'' [[ILied lie]], and insist that [[IGaveMyWord keeping a promise is a matter of honor.]]

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* '''Honesty.''' Though rare, some villains ''[[VillainsNeverLie don't]]'' [[ILied lie]], and insist that [[IGaveMyWord keeping a promise is a matter of honor.]]]] In organsied crime settings, a villain will not get far without a reputation for honesty.
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Contrast MrViceGuy, where a hero has an emblematic vice. This trope is very, ''[[OmnipresentTropes very]]'' common. Not to be confused with VillainousValor, though bravery could be another villain's virtue.

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Contrast MrViceGuy, where a hero has an emblematic vice. This trope is very, ''[[OmnipresentTropes very]]'' common. Not to be confused with VillainousValor, though bravery could be another villain's virtue.
virtue. After all, if you're trying to take over the world, you're up against pretty much ''everyone'', and thus it helps quite a bit to be able to look at an army six billion strong, smile confidently, and say "Bring it on."

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* '''Ambition.''' Though heroes may insist that AmbitionIsEvil, villains are the ones who try to make the struggle to get better (even if they have a tendency to [[AGodAmI overdo it]]), which heroes typically lack until disaster forces them to change.



* '''Resourcefulness.''' Another 50/50 split, resourceful villains are ''exceedingly'' dangerous because they will defy heroes TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty.

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* '''Responsibility.''' Villains '''care'''. Even if they [[WellIntentionedExtremist go the wrong way about fixing problems]], they are a lot more sensitive to noticing them.
* '''Resourcefulness.''' Another 50/50 split, resourceful villains are ''exceedingly'' dangerous because they will defy heroes TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty. TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty.
* '''Selflessness.''' Most villains who try to create a better world don't do it for themselves. They rarely expect thanks for bearing all the difficulties and many accept it that they may not even be able to enjoy the results. Yet they are often willing to sacrifice their popularity and even their life for the greater good.
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* '''Determination''' Sometimes when a villain [[VillainousValor keeps on trying despite]] being stomped into the ground a million times, and still gets up and [[{{Determinator}} keeps going after his goals]] regardless of the constant beatings, you have to at least admire their tenacity somewhat. In general, [[VillainousBreakdown villainous breakdowns]] are significantly less common than a [[HeroicBSOD hero falling to bits after a major defeat]].

Contrast MrViceGuy, where a hero has an emblematic vice. This trope is very, ''[[OmnipresentTropes very]]'' common. Not to be confused with VillainousValor.

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* '''Determination''' Sometimes when a villain [[VillainousValor keeps on trying despite]] being stomped into the ground a million times, and still gets up and [[{{Determinator}} keeps going after his goals]] regardless of the constant beatings, you have to at least admire their tenacity somewhat. In general, [[VillainousBreakdown villainous breakdowns]] are significantly less common (though also much more spectacular) than a [[HeroicBSOD hero falling to bits after a major defeat]].

Contrast MrViceGuy, where a hero has an emblematic vice. This trope is very, ''[[OmnipresentTropes very]]'' common. Not to be confused with VillainousValor.
VillainousValor, though bravery could be another villain's virtue.
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--> -- '''Comodus''' in ''{{Gladiator}}'', just before stabbing his father and framing Maximus.

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--> -- '''Comodus''' in ''{{Gladiator}}'', just before stabbing suffocating his father and framing Maximus.
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* '''Honesty.''' Though rare, some villains ''don't'' [[ILied lie]], and insist that [[IGaveMyWord keeping a promise is a matter of honor.]]

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* '''Honesty.''' Though rare, some villains ''don't'' ''[[VillainsNeverLie don't]]'' [[ILied lie]], and insist that [[IGaveMyWord keeping a promise is a matter of honor.]]



Contrast MrViceGuy, where a hero has an emblematic vice. This trope is very, ''[[OmnipresentTropes very]]'' common.

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Contrast MrViceGuy, where a hero has an emblematic vice. This trope is very, ''[[OmnipresentTropes very]]'' common.
common. Not to be confused with VillainousValor.
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* '''Determination''' Sometimes when a villain keeps on trying despite being stomped into the ground a million times, and still gets up and keeps going after his goals regardless of the constant beatings, you have to at least admire their tenacity somewhat. In general, [[VillainousBreakdown villainous breakdowns]] are significantly less common than a [[HeroicBSOD hero falling to bits after a major defeat]].

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* '''Determination''' Sometimes when a villain [[VillainousValor keeps on trying despite despite]] being stomped into the ground a million times, and still gets up and [[{{Determinator}} keeps going after his goals goals]] regardless of the constant beatings, you have to at least admire their tenacity somewhat. In general, [[VillainousBreakdown villainous breakdowns]] are significantly less common than a [[HeroicBSOD hero falling to bits after a major defeat]].

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* '''Determination''' Sometimes when a villain keeps on trying despite being stomped into the ground a million times, and still gets up and keeps going after his goals regardless of the constant beatings, you have to at least admire their tenacity somewhat. In general, [[VillainousBreakdown villainous breakdowns]] are significantly less common than a [[HeroicBSOD hero falling to bits after a major defeat]].
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* '''Love.''' Despite LoveRedeems, a surprising number of baddies [[UnholyMatrimony love either their spouses]], [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas parents[[, [[DaddysLittleVillain children,]] or even underling/superior while remaining evil. Of course, it's worth mentioning that LoveMakesYouEvil and [[LoveMakesYouCrazy Crazy]]. With Love as a villain's virtue, the result is often UnholyMatrimony.

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* '''Love.''' Despite LoveRedeems, a surprising number of baddies [[UnholyMatrimony love either their spouses]], [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas parents[[, parents]], [[DaddysLittleVillain children,]] or even underling/superior while remaining evil. Of course, it's worth mentioning that LoveMakesYouEvil and [[LoveMakesYouCrazy Crazy]]. With Love as a villain's virtue, the result is often UnholyMatrimony.
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* '''Love.''' Despite LoveRedeems, a surprising number of baddies love either their spouses, children, or even underling/superior while remaining evil. Of course, it's worth mentioning that LoveMakesYouEvil and [[LoveMakesYouCrazy Crazy]]. With Love as a villain's virtue, the result is often UnholyMatrimony.

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* '''Love.''' Despite LoveRedeems, a surprising number of baddies [[UnholyMatrimony love either their spouses, children, spouses]], [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas parents[[, [[DaddysLittleVillain children,]] or even underling/superior while remaining evil. Of course, it's worth mentioning that LoveMakesYouEvil and [[LoveMakesYouCrazy Crazy]]. With Love as a villain's virtue, the result is often UnholyMatrimony.

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Click ->You wrote to me once, listing the edit button four chief virtues: Wisdom, justice, fortitude and temperance. As I read the list, I knew I had none of them. But I have other virtues, father. [[AmbitionIsEvil Ambition]]. That can be a virtue when it drives us to start excel. [[TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty Resourcefulness]], [[ManipulativeBastard courage]], perhaps not on the battlefield, but... there are many forms of courage. [[IncestIsRelative Devotion]], to my family and to you. But none of my virtues were on your list. Even then it was [[WellDoneSonGuy as if you didn't want me for your son.]]
--> -- '''Comodus''' in ''{{Gladiator}}'', just before stabbing his father and framing Maximus.

Villains are bad, it goes without saying. However they can't be ''all'' bad for the simple reason that a character loaded down with '''all''' of the SevenDeadlySins (along with whatever other character flaws writers can think of) will be too lazy, gluttonous, envious, prideful, angry, lusty and miserly to ''do'' much of anything.

Even if they only have one vice, a villain is going to need a big heaping of icky good traits in order to accomplish their goals. They don't have to be an AntiVillain[[hottip:*:(Though villains with enough virtues usually end up switching categories, if not pull a HeelFaceTurn)]] they just need to have one or more of the SevenHeavenlyVirtues or another good trait to get by. The reason for
this new page. is both practical and artistic. Practically, a villain with a virtue of some kind will have a way to put their schemes in motion and [[TheAntagonist effectively oppose]] TheHero. Without these virtues, authors would have to resort to making them a BoringInvincibleVillain to get anything done. Artistically, it helps make the villain a RoundedCharacter, and helps make them [[DynamicCharacter dynamic]] if their virtue and vice are [[CharacterDevelopment somehow in conflict.]]

For example: A {{Pride}}ful villain might also be very hard working in order to get the power he needs. A slothful villain might compensate with amazing creativity, coming up with [[GadgeteerGenius amazing inventions]], {{Evil Plan}}s, and [[OffscreenVillainDarkMatter limitless funds]]. A wrathful villain may nonetheless be very loyal to his minions, [[IControlMyMinionsThrough inspiring great devotion]].

Where this can get strange and interesting is when this is applied to a villain who is MadeOfEvil. Here you have a ball of elemental nastiness who also happens to have one or more positive traits. Who knew elemental evil had [[AffablyEvil such good taste]] in [[FriendlyEnemy scones?]]

However, there are virtues and then there are ''virtues''. Much like ColorCodedForYourConvenience, there are some virtues that are okay for heroes and some that are more often seen in villains. These are:

* '''Hard Work.''' Despite EvilIsEasy and TheDarkSide making access to power easier, many villains will undergo much more extreme ordeals and protracted effort than heroes, who usually benefit from HardWorkHardlyWorks. Is it any wonder the bad guy did a FaceHeelTurn in frustration?
* '''Honesty.''' Though rare, some villains ''don't'' [[ILied lie]], and insist that [[IGaveMyWord keeping a promise is a matter of honor.]]
* '''Honor.''' Calling card of the NobleDemon who preaches EvenEvilHasStandards.
* '''Love.''' Despite LoveRedeems, a surprising number of baddies love either their spouses, children, or even underling/superior while remaining evil. Of course, it's worth mentioning that LoveMakesYouEvil and [[LoveMakesYouCrazy Crazy]]. With Love as a villain's virtue, the result is often UnholyMatrimony.
* '''Loyalty''' is a pretty even split between heroic and villainous. This isn't being a LawfulEvil RulesLawyer mind you, because these types can still be TheStarScream, but PowerOfTrust brand loyalty where even a ChaoticEvil type will avoid betrayal.
* '''Patience.''' Most heroes are HotBlooded, but bad guys are patient {{Chess Master}}s.
* '''Resourcefulness.''' Another 50/50 split, resourceful villains are ''exceedingly'' dangerous because they will defy heroes TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty.

Contrast MrViceGuy, where a hero has an emblematic vice. This trope is very, ''[[OmnipresentTropes very]]'' common.

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