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13th Feb '17 8:26:45 PM ectostar
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Even if they only have one vice, a villain is going to need a big heaping of icky good traits in order to accomplish their goals. They don't have to be an AntiVillain,[[note]](Though villains with enough virtues usually end up switching categories, if not pull a HeelFaceTurn)[[/note]] they just need to have one or more [[VirtueViceCodification virtues]] to get by. The reason for this is both practical and artistic. Practically, a villain with a virtue of some kind will have a way to put their schemes in motion and [[TheAntagonist effectively oppose]] TheHero. Without these virtues, authors would have to resort to making them a GenericDoomsdayVillain to get anything done. Artistically, it helps make the villain a RoundedCharacter, and helps make them [[DynamicCharacter dynamic]] if their virtue and vice are [[CharacterDevelopment somehow in conflict.]]

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Even if they only have one vice, a villain is going to need a big heaping of icky good traits in order to accomplish their goals. They don't have to be an AntiVillain,[[note]](Though villains with enough virtues usually end up switching categories, if not pull a HeelFaceTurn)[[/note]] they just need to have one or more [[VirtueViceCodification virtues]] to get by. The reason for this is both practical and artistic. Practically, a villain with a virtue of some kind will have a way to put their schemes in motion and [[TheAntagonist effectively oppose]] TheHero. Without these virtues, authors would have to resort to making them a GenericDoomsdayVillain to get anything done. Artistically, it helps make the villain a RoundedCharacter, and helps make them [[DynamicCharacter dynamic]] if their virtue and vice are [[CharacterDevelopment somehow in conflict.]]
conflict]].



Where this can get strange and interesting is when this is applied to a villain who is MadeOfEvil. Here you have a ball of elemental nastiness who also happens to have one or more positive traits. Who knew elemental evil had [[AffablyEvil such good taste]] in [[FriendlyEnemy scones?]]

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Where this can get strange and interesting is when this is applied to a villain who is MadeOfEvil. Here you have a ball of elemental nastiness who also happens to have one or more positive traits. Who knew elemental evil had [[AffablyEvil such good taste]] in [[FriendlyEnemy scones?]]
scones]]?



* '''[[WillNotTellALie Honesty.]]''' Though rare, some villains ''[[VillainsNeverLie don't]]'' [[ILied lie]], and insist that [[IGaveMyWord keeping a promise is a matter of honor.]] This does have the practical effect of people being more likely to trust them, even if they are known to be a villain. In organized crime settings, a villain will not get far without a reputation for honesty.

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* '''[[WillNotTellALie Honesty.]]''' Honesty]].''' Though rare, some villains ''[[VillainsNeverLie don't]]'' [[ILied lie]], and insist that [[IGaveMyWord keeping a promise is a matter of honor.]] honor]]. This does have the practical effect of people being more likely to trust them, even if they are known to be a villain. In organized crime settings, a villain will not get far without a reputation for honesty.



* '''[[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes Love]].''' Despite LoveRedeems, a surprising number [[UnholyMatrimony love either their spouses]], [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas parents]], [[DaddysLittleVillain children,]] or even friends/underlings while remaining evil. Of course, it's worth mentioning that LoveMakesYouEvil and [[LoveMakesYouCrazy Crazy]]. With Love as a villain's virtue, the result is often UnholyMatrimony.

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* '''[[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes Love]].''' Despite LoveRedeems, a surprising number [[UnholyMatrimony love either their spouses]], [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas parents]], [[DaddysLittleVillain children,]] children]], or even friends/underlings while remaining evil. Of course, it's worth mentioning that LoveMakesYouEvil and [[LoveMakesYouCrazy Crazy]]. With Love as a villain's virtue, the result is often UnholyMatrimony.



* '''[[VillainousValour Valor]].''' To quote [[Film/{{Highlander}} The Kurgan]] (and Music/NeilYoung): ''"It's better to burn out than to fade away!"'' Villains despise weakness. [[LastVillainStand So even when they know they're probably going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, they're not going down without a fight.]] After all, if you're trying to take over the world, you're up against pretty much ''everyone'', and thus it helps quite a bit to be able to look at an army [[RousseauWasRight six billion strong]], [[DefiantToTheEnd smile confidently, and say "Bring it on."]] In fact, this is one of the most common "virtues" for a villain to have, and a villain lacking it will often specifically be singled out as a DirtyCoward.

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* '''[[VillainousValour Valor]].''' To quote [[Film/{{Highlander}} The Kurgan]] (and Music/NeilYoung): ''"It's better to burn out than to fade away!"'' Villains despise weakness. [[LastVillainStand So even when they know they're probably going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, they're not going down without a fight.]] fight]]. After all, if you're trying to take over the world, you're up against pretty much ''everyone'', and thus it helps quite a bit to be able to look at an army [[RousseauWasRight six billion strong]], [[DefiantToTheEnd smile confidently, and say "Bring it on."]] In fact, this is one of the most common "virtues" for a villain to have, and a villain lacking it will often specifically be singled out as a DirtyCoward.
21st Oct '16 4:29:41 PM Specialist290
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Oh, and it lets them get all holier-than-thou and "NotSoDifferent" during a BreakingSpeech.

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Oh, and it lets them get all holier-than-thou and "NotSoDifferent" during a BreakingSpeech.
BreakingSpeech -- especially if the hero really ''is'' deficient in a virtue (or apparent virtue) the villain cherishes.
18th Jul '16 2:17:46 AM Morgenthaler
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* '''Humility.''' Not all villains are smug and arrogant. Some are down to earth, personable, and modest. Common in a NoNonsenseNemesis, and a large part of what makes them terrifying foes. They [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy acknowledge their own fallibility]] and rarely shoot [[ShootTheMessenger advisors for doing their job ]] or [[YouHaveFailedMe minions for failure]] of ThePlan. They will not be [[DidYouJustFlipOffCthulhu enraged by insults]]. They are not concerned with [[EvilIsHammy making a spectacle]] or EvilGloating. This is a villain who ''will'' [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim just shoot the hero]] or calmly inform them [[YouAreTooLate that the plan has already succeeded]]. If they give a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech it will likely be both [[VillainHasAPoint accurate]] and [[BreakThemByTalking effective]].

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* '''Humility.''' Not all villains are smug and arrogant. Some are down to earth, personable, and modest. Common in a NoNonsenseNemesis, and a large part of what makes them terrifying foes. They [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy acknowledge their own fallibility]] fallibility and rarely shoot [[ShootTheMessenger advisors for doing their job ]] or [[YouHaveFailedMe minions for failure]] of ThePlan. They will not be [[DidYouJustFlipOffCthulhu enraged by insults]]. They are not concerned with [[EvilIsHammy making a spectacle]] or EvilGloating. This is a villain who ''will'' [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim just shoot the hero]] or calmly inform them [[YouAreTooLate that the plan has already succeeded]]. If they give a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech it will likely be both [[VillainHasAPoint accurate]] and [[BreakThemByTalking effective]].
28th Jun '16 5:33:09 PM eroock
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-->--''{{Series/Scrubs}}'', "My Butterfly"

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-->--''{{Series/Scrubs}}'', -->-- ''{{Series/Scrubs}}'', "My Butterfly"
21st Jun '16 7:15:51 PM gewunomox
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* '''[[VillainousValour Valor]].''' To quote [[Film/{{Highlander}} The Kurgan]] (and NeilYoung): ''"It's better to burn out than to fade away!"'' Villains despise weakness. [[LastVillainStand So even when they know they're probably going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, they're not going down without a fight.]] After all, if you're trying to take over the world, you're up against pretty much ''everyone'', and thus it helps quite a bit to be able to look at an army [[RousseauWasRight six billion strong]], [[DefiantToTheEnd smile confidently, and say "Bring it on."]] In fact, this is one of the most common "virtues" for a villain to have, and a villain lacking it will often specifically be singled out as a DirtyCoward.

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* '''[[VillainousValour Valor]].''' To quote [[Film/{{Highlander}} The Kurgan]] (and NeilYoung): Music/NeilYoung): ''"It's better to burn out than to fade away!"'' Villains despise weakness. [[LastVillainStand So even when they know they're probably going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, they're not going down without a fight.]] After all, if you're trying to take over the world, you're up against pretty much ''everyone'', and thus it helps quite a bit to be able to look at an army [[RousseauWasRight six billion strong]], [[DefiantToTheEnd smile confidently, and say "Bring it on."]] In fact, this is one of the most common "virtues" for a villain to have, and a villain lacking it will often specifically be singled out as a DirtyCoward.
5th Feb '16 11:06:13 PM Theriocephalus
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* '''[[VillainousValour Valor]].''' To quote [[Film/{{Highlander}} The Kurgan]] (and NeilYoung): ''"It's better to burn out than to fade away!"'' Villains despise weakness. [[LastVillainStand So even when they know they're probably going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, he's not going down without a fight.]] After all, if you're trying to take over the world, you're up against pretty much ''everyone'', and thus it helps quite a bit to be able to look at an army [[RousseauWasRight six billion strong]], [[DefiantToTheEnd smile confidently, and say "Bring it on."]] In fact, this is one of the most common "virtues" for a villain to have, and a villain lacking it will often specifically be singled out as a DirtyCoward.

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* '''[[VillainousValour Valor]].''' To quote [[Film/{{Highlander}} The Kurgan]] (and NeilYoung): ''"It's better to burn out than to fade away!"'' Villains despise weakness. [[LastVillainStand So even when they know they're probably going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, he's they're not going down without a fight.]] After all, if you're trying to take over the world, you're up against pretty much ''everyone'', and thus it helps quite a bit to be able to look at an army [[RousseauWasRight six billion strong]], [[DefiantToTheEnd smile confidently, and say "Bring it on."]] In fact, this is one of the most common "virtues" for a villain to have, and a villain lacking it will often specifically be singled out as a DirtyCoward.
31st Dec '15 4:43:37 PM Hawaii_Knut
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* '''Gratitude''': A villain may display gratefulness for various reasons, like helping them or [[SaveTheVillain saving their lives]]. They may [[BecauseYouWereNiceToMe help you back in return]], make exceptons or ultimately do a HeelFaceTurn.
26th Sep '15 12:43:39 PM TheInimitableECypher
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* '''Humility.''' Not all villains are smug and arrogant. Some are down to earth, personable, and modest. Common in a NoNonsenseNemesis, and a large part of what makes them terrifying foes. They [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy acknowledge their own fallibility]] and rarely shoot [[ShootTheMessenger advisors for doing their job ]] or [[YouHaveFailedMe minions for failure]] of ThePlan. They will not be [[DidYouJustFlipOffCthulhu enraged by insults]]. They are not concerned with [[EvilIsHammy making a spectacle]] or EvilGloating. This is a villian who ''will'' [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim just shoot the hero]] or calmly inform them [[YouAreTooLate that the plan has already succeeded]]. If they give a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech it will likely be both [[VillainHasAPoint accurate]] and [[BreakThemByTalking effective]].

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* '''Humility.''' Not all villains are smug and arrogant. Some are down to earth, personable, and modest. Common in a NoNonsenseNemesis, and a large part of what makes them terrifying foes. They [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy acknowledge their own fallibility]] and rarely shoot [[ShootTheMessenger advisors for doing their job ]] or [[YouHaveFailedMe minions for failure]] of ThePlan. They will not be [[DidYouJustFlipOffCthulhu enraged by insults]]. They are not concerned with [[EvilIsHammy making a spectacle]] or EvilGloating. This is a villian villain who ''will'' [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim just shoot the hero]] or calmly inform them [[YouAreTooLate that the plan has already succeeded]]. If they give a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech it will likely be both [[VillainHasAPoint accurate]] and [[BreakThemByTalking effective]].
5th Aug '15 5:31:48 AM ading
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Contrast MrViceGuy, where a hero has an emblematic vice, and VirtueIsWeakness, where the villain explicitly rejects all good traits.

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Contrast MrViceGuy, where a hero has an emblematic vice, and VirtueIsWeakness, where the villain explicitly rejects all good traits.
traits, and CompleteMonster, for villains who have no redeeming qualities.
2nd Aug '15 8:14:21 AM johnnyfog
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->''"You wrote to me once, listing the four chief virtues: Wisdom, Justice, Fortitude, and Temperance. As I read the list, I knew I had none of them. But I have other virtues, father. Ambition. That can be a virtue when it drives us to excel. Resourcefulness, Courage - perhaps not on the battlefield, but... there are many forms of courage. Devotion, to my family and to you. But none of my virtues were on your list. Even then it was as if you didn't want me for your son."''
-->-- '''Commodus''' in ''Film/{{Gladiator}}''

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->''"You wrote ->'''Dr. Kelso''': Son, do you think I got to me once, listing the four chief virtues: Wisdom, Justice, Fortitude, and Temperance. As I read the list, I knew I had none be Chief of them. But I have other virtues, father. Ambition. That can be a virtue when it drives us to excel. Resourcefulness, Courage - perhaps not on the battlefield, but... Medicine by being late?\\
'''Dr. Cox''': No, Bob-o, you got
there are many forms of courage. Devotion, to my family by back-stabbin' and to you. But none of my virtues were on your list. Even then it was as if you didn't want me for your son."''
-->-- '''Commodus''' in ''Film/{{Gladiator}}''
ass-kissin'.\\
'''Kelso''': Maybe so, but I started those things precisely at 8:00.
-->--''{{Series/Scrubs}}'', "My Butterfly"
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