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21st Oct '16 4:29:41 PM Specialist290
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Oh, and it lets them get all holier-than-thou and "NotSoDifferent" during a BreakingSpeech.

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Oh, and it lets them get all holier-than-thou and "NotSoDifferent" during a BreakingSpeech.
BreakingSpeech -- especially if the hero really ''is'' deficient in a virtue (or apparent virtue) the villain cherishes.
18th Jul '16 2:17:46 AM Morgenthaler
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* '''Humility.''' Not all villains are smug and arrogant. Some are down to earth, personable, and modest. Common in a NoNonsenseNemesis, and a large part of what makes them terrifying foes. They [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy acknowledge their own fallibility]] and rarely shoot [[ShootTheMessenger advisors for doing their job ]] or [[YouHaveFailedMe minions for failure]] of ThePlan. They will not be [[DidYouJustFlipOffCthulhu enraged by insults]]. They are not concerned with [[EvilIsHammy making a spectacle]] or EvilGloating. This is a villain who ''will'' [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim just shoot the hero]] or calmly inform them [[YouAreTooLate that the plan has already succeeded]]. If they give a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech it will likely be both [[VillainHasAPoint accurate]] and [[BreakThemByTalking effective]].

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* '''Humility.''' Not all villains are smug and arrogant. Some are down to earth, personable, and modest. Common in a NoNonsenseNemesis, and a large part of what makes them terrifying foes. They [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy acknowledge their own fallibility]] fallibility and rarely shoot [[ShootTheMessenger advisors for doing their job ]] or [[YouHaveFailedMe minions for failure]] of ThePlan. They will not be [[DidYouJustFlipOffCthulhu enraged by insults]]. They are not concerned with [[EvilIsHammy making a spectacle]] or EvilGloating. This is a villain who ''will'' [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim just shoot the hero]] or calmly inform them [[YouAreTooLate that the plan has already succeeded]]. If they give a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech it will likely be both [[VillainHasAPoint accurate]] and [[BreakThemByTalking effective]].
28th Jun '16 5:33:09 PM eroock
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-->--''{{Series/Scrubs}}'', "My Butterfly"

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-->--''{{Series/Scrubs}}'', -->-- ''{{Series/Scrubs}}'', "My Butterfly"
21st Jun '16 7:15:51 PM gewunomox
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* '''[[VillainousValour Valor]].''' To quote [[Film/{{Highlander}} The Kurgan]] (and NeilYoung): ''"It's better to burn out than to fade away!"'' Villains despise weakness. [[LastVillainStand So even when they know they're probably going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, they're not going down without a fight.]] After all, if you're trying to take over the world, you're up against pretty much ''everyone'', and thus it helps quite a bit to be able to look at an army [[RousseauWasRight six billion strong]], [[DefiantToTheEnd smile confidently, and say "Bring it on."]] In fact, this is one of the most common "virtues" for a villain to have, and a villain lacking it will often specifically be singled out as a DirtyCoward.

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* '''[[VillainousValour Valor]].''' To quote [[Film/{{Highlander}} The Kurgan]] (and NeilYoung): Music/NeilYoung): ''"It's better to burn out than to fade away!"'' Villains despise weakness. [[LastVillainStand So even when they know they're probably going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, they're not going down without a fight.]] After all, if you're trying to take over the world, you're up against pretty much ''everyone'', and thus it helps quite a bit to be able to look at an army [[RousseauWasRight six billion strong]], [[DefiantToTheEnd smile confidently, and say "Bring it on."]] In fact, this is one of the most common "virtues" for a villain to have, and a villain lacking it will often specifically be singled out as a DirtyCoward.
5th Feb '16 11:06:13 PM Theriocephalus
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* '''[[VillainousValour Valor]].''' To quote [[Film/{{Highlander}} The Kurgan]] (and NeilYoung): ''"It's better to burn out than to fade away!"'' Villains despise weakness. [[LastVillainStand So even when they know they're probably going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, he's not going down without a fight.]] After all, if you're trying to take over the world, you're up against pretty much ''everyone'', and thus it helps quite a bit to be able to look at an army [[RousseauWasRight six billion strong]], [[DefiantToTheEnd smile confidently, and say "Bring it on."]] In fact, this is one of the most common "virtues" for a villain to have, and a villain lacking it will often specifically be singled out as a DirtyCoward.

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* '''[[VillainousValour Valor]].''' To quote [[Film/{{Highlander}} The Kurgan]] (and NeilYoung): ''"It's better to burn out than to fade away!"'' Villains despise weakness. [[LastVillainStand So even when they know they're probably going to lose and the odds are in the hero's favor, he's they're not going down without a fight.]] After all, if you're trying to take over the world, you're up against pretty much ''everyone'', and thus it helps quite a bit to be able to look at an army [[RousseauWasRight six billion strong]], [[DefiantToTheEnd smile confidently, and say "Bring it on."]] In fact, this is one of the most common "virtues" for a villain to have, and a villain lacking it will often specifically be singled out as a DirtyCoward.
31st Dec '15 4:43:37 PM Hawaii_Knut
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* '''Gratitude''': A villain may display gratefulness for various reasons, like helping them or [[SaveTheVillain saving their lives]]. They may [[BecauseYouWereNiceToMe help you back in return]], make exceptons or ultimately do a HeelFaceTurn.
26th Sep '15 12:43:39 PM TheInimitableECypher
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* '''Humility.''' Not all villains are smug and arrogant. Some are down to earth, personable, and modest. Common in a NoNonsenseNemesis, and a large part of what makes them terrifying foes. They [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy acknowledge their own fallibility]] and rarely shoot [[ShootTheMessenger advisors for doing their job ]] or [[YouHaveFailedMe minions for failure]] of ThePlan. They will not be [[DidYouJustFlipOffCthulhu enraged by insults]]. They are not concerned with [[EvilIsHammy making a spectacle]] or EvilGloating. This is a villian who ''will'' [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim just shoot the hero]] or calmly inform them [[YouAreTooLate that the plan has already succeeded]]. If they give a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech it will likely be both [[VillainHasAPoint accurate]] and [[BreakThemByTalking effective]].

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* '''Humility.''' Not all villains are smug and arrogant. Some are down to earth, personable, and modest. Common in a NoNonsenseNemesis, and a large part of what makes them terrifying foes. They [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy acknowledge their own fallibility]] and rarely shoot [[ShootTheMessenger advisors for doing their job ]] or [[YouHaveFailedMe minions for failure]] of ThePlan. They will not be [[DidYouJustFlipOffCthulhu enraged by insults]]. They are not concerned with [[EvilIsHammy making a spectacle]] or EvilGloating. This is a villian villain who ''will'' [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim just shoot the hero]] or calmly inform them [[YouAreTooLate that the plan has already succeeded]]. If they give a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech it will likely be both [[VillainHasAPoint accurate]] and [[BreakThemByTalking effective]].
5th Aug '15 5:31:48 AM ading
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Contrast MrViceGuy, where a hero has an emblematic vice, and VirtueIsWeakness, where the villain explicitly rejects all good traits.

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Contrast MrViceGuy, where a hero has an emblematic vice, and VirtueIsWeakness, where the villain explicitly rejects all good traits.
traits, and CompleteMonster, for villains who have no redeeming qualities.
2nd Aug '15 8:14:21 AM johnnyfog
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->''"You wrote to me once, listing the four chief virtues: Wisdom, Justice, Fortitude, and Temperance. As I read the list, I knew I had none of them. But I have other virtues, father. Ambition. That can be a virtue when it drives us to excel. Resourcefulness, Courage - perhaps not on the battlefield, but... there are many forms of courage. Devotion, to my family and to you. But none of my virtues were on your list. Even then it was as if you didn't want me for your son."''
-->-- '''Commodus''' in ''Film/{{Gladiator}}''

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->''"You wrote ->'''Dr. Kelso''': Son, do you think I got to me once, listing the four chief virtues: Wisdom, Justice, Fortitude, and Temperance. As I read the list, I knew I had none be Chief of them. But I have other virtues, father. Ambition. That can be a virtue when it drives us to excel. Resourcefulness, Courage - perhaps not on the battlefield, but... Medicine by being late?\\
'''Dr. Cox''': No, Bob-o, you got
there are many forms of courage. Devotion, to my family by back-stabbin' and to you. But none of my virtues were on your list. Even then it was as if you didn't want me for your son."''
-->-- '''Commodus''' in ''Film/{{Gladiator}}''
ass-kissin'.\\
'''Kelso''': Maybe so, but I started those things precisely at 8:00.
-->--''{{Series/Scrubs}}'', "My Butterfly"
18th May '15 10:15:24 AM poi99
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->''"You wrote to me once, listing the [[VirtueViceCodification four chief virtues]]: [[TheWisePrince Wisdom]], [[ForGreatJustice Justice]], [[{{Determinator}} Fortitude]], and [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Temperance]]. As I read the list, I knew I had none of them. But I have other virtues, father. [[AmbitionIsEvil Ambition]]. That can be a virtue when it drives us to excel. [[TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty Resourcefulness]], [[VillainousValor Courage]] - perhaps not on the battlefield, but... there are many forms of courage. [[VillainousIncest Devotion]], to my family and to you. But none of my virtues were on your list. Even then it was [[WellDoneSonGuy as if you didn't want me for your son.]]"''
-->-- '''Commodus''' in ''Film/{{Gladiator}}'', just before suffocating his father and framing Maximus.

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->''"You wrote to me once, listing the [[VirtueViceCodification four chief virtues]]: [[TheWisePrince Wisdom]], [[ForGreatJustice Justice]], [[{{Determinator}} Fortitude]], virtues: Wisdom, Justice, Fortitude, and [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Temperance]].Temperance. As I read the list, I knew I had none of them. But I have other virtues, father. [[AmbitionIsEvil Ambition]].Ambition. That can be a virtue when it drives us to excel. [[TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty Resourcefulness]], [[VillainousValor Courage]] Resourcefulness, Courage - perhaps not on the battlefield, but... there are many forms of courage. [[VillainousIncest Devotion]], Devotion, to my family and to you. But none of my virtues were on your list. Even then it was [[WellDoneSonGuy as if you didn't want me for your son.]]"''
"''
-->-- '''Commodus''' in ''Film/{{Gladiator}}'', just before suffocating his father and framing Maximus.
''Film/{{Gladiator}}''
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