History Main / DeliberateValuesDissonance

** That's debatable. In the Anime the flanderization that all the other characters go through makes her into this but in the manga version it's Genma who despite all his mistakes as being the best parent of all the lot.

* ''GUN'', set in roughly the same period as ''Red Dead Redemption'', features a bit of this, with characters making derogatory remarks about Native Americans and Irish immigrants, male characters treating prostitutes (and indeed women in general) as pieces of meat and a cavalier disregard for animal rights (the tutorial features the protagonist's father encouraging him to use quails for target practice). The approach actually backfired somewhat, as controversy arose regarding the depiction of Native Americans.
** Since when do animals have rights?
*** That question is basically the reason AnimalWrongsGroup exist...
*** Since laws were made that guarantee those rights, and punish those found guilty of animal abuse.
**** But how would that be animal ''abuse'', per se? Quail can, to this day, be legally hunted (quite tasty, btw), which means using guns, and arguably that would be less wasteful than shooting at a target. Training in what at the time was a vital skill while putting food on the table, killing (if you'll excuse the pun) two birds with one stone.

Sometimes, [[ValuesDissonance morals don't travel well]]. Often, what is appropriate to one culture or time period is repugnant to another. Thus, when dealing with other cultures, an author must make a choice. Some attach the attitudes of their country to the people in the story, resulting in a potentially anachronistic but enjoyable read.

* The ''Twisted Toyfare Theater'' strip featuring the thawed out GoldenAge Spider-Man took this trope to town, highlighting the fact that Golden Age Spidey's values and priorities are incredibly screwed up; As the normal Spider-Man says, "He guns downs bank robbers and ''punches'' dictators!" Also, the first thing he says after being unfrozen is "What the-?! There used to be a ''foreigner'' at the end of this fist."

* Beautifully played with in a ''NonSequitor'' strip. A customer at Flo's diner was talking about all the wonderful things about TheFifties and how America going back to that time and those values would be better for everyone, and Flo replies that she agrees and will turn the diner retro, "starting with this vintage sign..." She writes something down and shows it to him, but with her back to the camera, all we see is his horrified reaction. In the next panel, we see what the sign says: "WHITES ONLY." The man concedes, "Well, maybe not better for ''everyone.''" A CrowningMomentofAwesome for Flo.

* ''Victoriana'' makes the ValuesDissonance between the setting and the players the defining characteristic of the player-characters. Reasoning that most players would be uncomfortable playing accurate Victorian values unironically, the game encourages them to create characters whose beliefs are more in line with their own sensibilities, and hence profoundly revolutionary by 19th-Century standards.

* ''Victoriana'' makes the ValuesDissonance between the setting and the players the defining characteristic of the player-characters. Reasoning that most players would be uncomfortable playing accurate Victorian values unironically, the game encourages them to create characters whose beliefs are more in line with their own sensibilities, and hence profoundly revolutionary by 19th-Century standards. This means that the PCs will be people who are motivated to improve the world in some way...or in other words, ''heroes''.

* In the ''JusticeLeague'' episode "Legends", the League gets accidentally transported into a RetroUniverse modeled after the GoldenAge. The otherwise-upstanding local heroes, the Justice Guild, buy into the prejudices of their day: They expect Hawkgirl to help in the kitchen, and the Streak -- trying to compliment the African-American John Stewart -- says, "[[YouAreACreditToYourRace You're a credit to your people, son]]."

* Many a reader has been turned off by ''TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen'' replicating the Victorian Era's grotesque ideas about race and sex just a little too well. The statement that one of the book's morals is "Women are always going on and making a fuss" is deliberately belied by the story itself, where Mina is pretty much [[OnlySaneMan the only character with her head screwed on straight]] for most of it, which is likely also DeliberateValuesDissonance, since that type of disconnection was remarkably common in Victorian times.

** Even more so in "Human Nature"/"The Family of Blood". The students mock Martha ("With hands like those, how can you tell when something's clean?"), Joan doesn't believe that Martha's a doctor because she's black, and when she tries to convince John Smith (the chameleon-arced Doctor) that they're being attacked by aliens, he thinks that she can't tell fiction from reality.

* Seen somewhat in the BelisariusSeries. Although many of the characters have somewhat more tolerant views than were common at the time, they're rather nonchalant about the existence of slavery. Ousanos also makes a comment about it being too bad that democracy, as the classic Greeks demonstrated, never works[[hottip:*:Which it doesn't. The US is a Republic founded by a bunch of guys who hated democracy]].

* Seen somewhat in the BelisariusSeries. Although many of the characters have somewhat more tolerant views than were common at the time, they're rather nonchalant about the existence of slavery. Ousanos also makes a comment about it being too bad that democracy, as the classic Greeks demonstrated, never works.

* Seen somewhat in the {{Belisarius}} Series. Although many of the characters have somewhat more tolerant views than were common at the time, they're rather nonchalant about the existence of slavery. Ousanos also makes a comment about it being too bad that democracy, as the classic Greeks demonstrated, never works.

* At one point in the ''XWingSeries'' there's a brief reference to an Imperial-made holofilm about daredevils who tightrope walk between Coruscant's giant skyscrapers...its tragic ending is supposed to be AnAesop against nonconformism and rebellion.

* ''Twilight'' has a "[[InNameOnly vampire]]" from the early 1900s treating his wife abusively, acceptable for his native time.

* Not shown in the game itself, but in the spin-off short movie ''Lineage'' for ''[[AssassinsCreed Assassin's Creed II]] features Lorenzo de Medici having a prisoner brutally tortured to reveal his information about an upcoming political assassination, but he is still a good guy, both in the movie and in the game. Ofcourse a game where the main character is an assassin, the moral issues become a little gray, in any case.

* Many a reader has been turned off by ''TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen'' replicating the Victorian Era's grotesque ideas about race and sex just a little too well.
** Although the statement that one of the book's morals is "Women are always going on and making a fuss" is deliberately belied by the story itself, where Mina is pretty much [[OnlySaneMan the only character with her head screwed on straight]] for most of it.
*** Which is likely also DeliberateValuesDissonance, since that type of disconnection was remarkably common in Victorian times.

*Wonderfully averted in an issue of "JSA," where the modern Mr. Terrific- a black man- travels back in time and meets up with his namesake, who is a white man. The modern Mr. Terrific asks the golden age Mr. Terrific if he has any problems with a black man sharing his name, to which the golden age Mr. Terrific just dismisses any notions that he may be upset because of the modern Mr. Terrific' race and just says that he is happy that someone is carrying on his name. And in a later time travel story, the two team up again to take down a group of Klansmen.

*** That question is basically the reason AnimalWrongsGroup exist...

*** Which is likely also DeliberateValuesDissonance, since that type of disconnect was remarkably common in Victorian times.

* The film ''Master & Commander'' (and presumably all the books in the series) do this, giving us lines like the ship's first officer asking permission to bring live Galapagos tortoises on board as food stock.

** [[{{SatireParodyPastiche}} The original, non-musical film is both an affectionate tribute to the relatively underground dance culture of the early 1960's, but also takes some pretty ruthless jabs at the mainstream culture of the time]]. [[{{HystericalWoman}} White housewives become shrieking wreaks]] at the moment they arrive in the black part of town, a therapist tries to hypnotize Penny out of liking Seaweed, and the heroes, themselves, become terrified when they accidentally stumble into a den of {{Beatnik}}s ("let's get naked and smoke!"). The segregationists mostly act out of fear, paranoia, vanity rather than any profound hatred, while another scene shows a white woman throwing fireworks into a crowd of peaceful protesters and starting a race riot just {{For The Evulz}}.

** Which is, in the true definition of this trope, something that Japanese game designers [[GratuitousEnglish often do accidentally]], and he does deliberately. Some of Suda's other games, especially ''{{Killer7}}'', also explore the ValuesDissonance between western and japanese players.