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* As noted above, there's been a running gag in Franchise/TheDCU over the years about the JusticeLeague's two "stretchy guys," Plastic Man and Ralph "Elongated Man" Dibny, who have the same powers and similarly light-hearted personalities. (The Elongated Man was created as a CaptainErsatz of Plastic Man, whose creator was unaware that DC had acquired the rights to Plas) DC separated the characters by emphasizing that Elongated Man was also a brilliant detective, and exaggerating Plastic Man's fun-loving side to the point of outright lunacy (at one point Plas says about Ralph, "Nice guy, but someone left the door open and his personality just bolted"). DC seemed to be doing away with the confusion by making Ralph darker and moodier, arguably to the character's detriment, before concluding this character arc by having him die in a HeroicSacrifice. And more recently, [[spoiler:Ralph and his wife have returned as crime-fighting ghosts]]. Which is ... quite different indeed.

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* As noted above, there's been a running gag in Franchise/TheDCU over the years about the JusticeLeague's Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}'s two "stretchy guys," Plastic Man and Ralph "Elongated Man" Dibny, who have the same powers and similarly light-hearted personalities. (The Elongated Man was created as a CaptainErsatz of Plastic Man, whose creator was unaware that DC had acquired the rights to Plas) DC separated the characters by emphasizing that Elongated Man was also a brilliant detective, and exaggerating Plastic Man's fun-loving side to the point of outright lunacy (at one point Plas says about Ralph, "Nice guy, but someone left the door open and his personality just bolted"). DC seemed to be doing away with the confusion by making Ralph darker and moodier, arguably to the character's detriment, before concluding this character arc by having him die in a HeroicSacrifice. And more recently, [[spoiler:Ralph and his wife have returned as crime-fighting ghosts]]. Which is ... quite different indeed.
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* Some players of the superhero MMORPG ''CityOfHeroes'' may avoid having more than one person on the team with the same powers or even the same class to avoid redundancy, especially as a team can only have up to eight members. On the other hand, there are cases when such redundancy may be desired if the superpowers have effects that can easily be stacked on a foe, such as with [[StandardStatusEffects status effects]] when used against highly resistant foes.

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* Some players of the superhero MMORPG ''CityOfHeroes'' ''VideoGame/CityOfHeroes'' may avoid having more than one person on the team with the same powers or even the same class to avoid redundancy, especially as a team can only have up to eight members. On the other hand, there are cases when such redundancy may be desired if the superpowers have effects that can easily be stacked on a foe, such as with [[StandardStatusEffects status effects]] when used against highly resistant foes.
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* {{Lampshaded}} in the 4th-season ''DesperateHousewives'' episode "In Buddy's Eyes":

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* {{Lampshaded}} in the 4th-season ''DesperateHousewives'' ''Series/DesperateHousewives'' episode "In Buddy's Eyes":
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** This was a major problem for the Daleks and the Cybermen - keeping the two AlwaysChaoticEvil {{Cyborg}} monsters clearly delineated has been hard work for most eras. The Cybermen are interested in [[AssimilationPlot assimilation]] and the Daleks in genocide? Fine, except the Daleks assimilate humans in "Revelation of the Daleks" and the new series, and early Cybermen are quite into genocide. The Daleks are emotional beings while the Cybermen are completely emotionless? Except the Daleks' lack of emotion is central to "Destiny of the Daleks" and the new series explicitly says they have every emotion removed except hate, while Cybermen become extremely emotional (bordering on LargeHam) in the 1980s to the point where the explanation was that they have every emotion removed except rage. You can defeat Cybermen with ThePowerOfLove while Daleks laugh in the face of it? Daleks get defeated with love too, in "Evil of the Daleks" and "Victory of the Daleks". Cybermen can masquerade as humans while Daleks pretend to be good? Daleks have made humans into Dalek agents, or humanoid Dalek robots, in both the Moffat era and the Verity Lambert era, and Cybermen have pretended to be good in stories like "Army of Ghosts" and "Dark Water". Ultimately, there have been enough Cybermen stories using Daleks and enough Dalek stories using Cybermen that, taken as a whole, the two races are mostly aesthetically different. [[EraSpecificCharacterisation Each era has its own idea of how to differentiate them]], and each of those eras is contradicted in some other one.

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** This was a major problem for the Daleks and the Cybermen - keeping the two AlwaysChaoticEvil {{Cyborg}} monsters clearly delineated has been hard work for most eras. The Cybermen are interested in [[AssimilationPlot assimilation]] and the Daleks in genocide? Fine, except the Daleks assimilate humans in "Revelation of the Daleks" and the new series, and early Cybermen are quite into genocide. The Daleks are emotional beings while the Cybermen are completely emotionless? Except the Daleks' lack of emotion is central to "Destiny of the Daleks" and the new series explicitly says they have every emotion removed except hate, while Cybermen become extremely emotional (bordering on LargeHam) in the 1980s to the point where the explanation was that they have every emotion removed except rage. You can defeat Cybermen with ThePowerOfLove while Daleks laugh in the face of it? Daleks get defeated with love too, in "Evil of the Daleks" and "Victory of the Daleks". Cybermen can masquerade as humans while Daleks pretend to be good? Daleks have made humans into Dalek agents, or humanoid Dalek robots, in both the Moffat era and the Verity Lambert era, and Cybermen have pretended to be good in stories like "Army of Ghosts" and "Dark Water". Ultimately, there have been enough Cybermen stories using Daleks and enough Dalek stories using Cybermen that, taken as a whole, the two races are mostly aesthetically different. [[EraSpecificCharacterisation [[EraSpecificPersonality Each era has its own idea of how to differentiate them]], and each of those eras is contradicted in some other one.
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** This was a major problem for the Daleks and the Cybermen - keeping the two AlwaysChaoticEvil {{Cyborg}} monsters clearly delineated has been hard work for most eras. The Cybermen are interested in [[AssimilationPlot assimilation]] and the Daleks in genocide? Fine, except the Daleks assimilate humans in "Revelation of the Daleks" and the new series, and early Cybermen are quite into genocide. The Daleks are emotional beings while the Cybermen are completely emotionless? Except the Daleks' lack of emotion is central to "Destiny of the Daleks" and the new series explicitly says they have every emotion removed except hate, while Cybermen become extremely emotional (bordering on LargeHam) in the 1980s to the point where the explanation was that they have every emotion removed except rage. You can defeat Cybermen with ThePowerOfLove while Daleks laugh in the face of it? Daleks get defeated with love too, in "Evil of the Daleks" and "Victory of the Daleks". Cybermen can masquerade as humans while Daleks pretend to be good? Daleks have made humans into Dalek agents, or humanoid Dalek robots, in both the Moffat era and the Verity Lambert era, and Cybermen have pretended to be good in stories like "Army of Ghosts" and "Dark Water". Ultimately, there have been enough Cybermen stories using Daleks and enough Dalek stories using Cybermen that, taken as a whole, the two races are mostly aesthetically different. [[EraSpecificCharacterisation Each era has its own idea of how to differentiate them]], and each of those eras is contradicted in some other one.
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* ''TabletopGame/{{Monster of the Week}}'', a game about monster hunting in the vein of ''[[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Buffy]]'' or ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' using the basic ''TabletopGame/ApocalypseWorld'' engine, explicitly enforces this: by the rules, each player has to pick a different Hunter archetype, so there can be at most one e.g. Chosen, Expert, Professional, or Wronged, bringing not only their own specialized moves but also built-in different perspectives to the hunt. (This does have the practical benefit of making it easier to print out a full set of archetype-specific "playbooks" -- basically pre-customized character sheets -- because one copy of each should be sufficient.)

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* Happened a lot in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}''. Even though for the exception of ElementalPowers and inherited bloodline techniques anyone can learn anything, each character has between 1-5 special moves that no one outside of their clan or direct MasterApprenticeChain is ever seen using.

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* Happened a lot in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}''. Even though for the exception of ElementalPowers and inherited bloodline techniques anyone can learn anything, each character has between 1-5 special moves that no one outside of their clan or direct MasterApprenticeChain is ever seen using. The biggest example is how at the Ninja Academy, all graduates are required to learn illusory clones and shapeshifting jutsu, but only a handful of ninjas are ever shown using either jutsu even though they all should know both of them.
** The Sharingan gives the user the ability to learn any jutsu after seing it once and Kakashi has a reputation of having learned over a thousand jutsus. However, the Sharingan users who appear on screen including Kakashi almost always just use the unique jutsus available exclusively to the Sharingan and almost never use any copied jutsus.
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* In ''WebComic/{EightBitTheater'', Drizz'l was originally characterized as being TheDitz on par with Fighter. Not long after, he joined the Dark Warriors, who already had a comedy moron character in Bikke. As a result, he became the OnlySaneMan.

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* In ''WebComic/{EightBitTheater'', ''WebComic/EightBitTheater'', Drizz'l was originally characterized as being TheDitz on par with Fighter. Not long after, he joined the Dark Warriors, who already had a comedy moron character in Bikke. As a result, he became the OnlySaneMan.
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* In ''WebComic/8BitTheater'', Drizz'l was originally characterized as being TheDitz on par with Fighter. Not long after, he joined the Dark Warriors, who already had a comedy moron character in Bikke, and he became the OnlySaneMan.

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* In ''WebComic/8BitTheater'', ''WebComic/{EightBitTheater'', Drizz'l was originally characterized as being TheDitz on par with Fighter. Not long after, he joined the Dark Warriors, who already had a comedy moron character in Bikke, and Bikke. As a result, he became the OnlySaneMan.
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* In ''WebComic/8BitTheater'', Drizz'l was originally characterized as being TheDitz on par with Fighter. Not long after, he joined the Dark Warriors, who already had a comedy moron character in Bikke, and he became the OnlySaneMan.

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** In the Classic series where companions were [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants subbed in and out spontaneously]] depending on [[RealLifeWritesThePlot real life circumstances]], you would occasionally run into companions encroaching on each other's plot territory:
***Ben and Polly are a complimentary young handsome ActionHero/young beautiful insightful heroine pair, and the spontaneous addition of Jamie (another young handsome ActionHero) watered down the dynamic a tad. Most of the scripts while Ben and Jamie share companionship focus on Jamie's Scottishness and relative youth to differentiate them, but the writers clearly were struggling to use them both. "The Macra Terror" goes so far as to use them as rivals, a dynamic that probably would have continued had Ben and Polly stayed longer.
***Harry Sullivan was added to compliment Sarah Jane by being an ActionHero as they were going to swap out the Doctor from an experienced martial artist to a distant and calculating character played by an elderly actor. When some fool decided instead to cast a 6'4 former brickie younger than any Doctor cast thus far, Harry was (by the admission of the producers) left with nothing to do. The answer was to give the action scenes to the Doctor, capitalise mostly on Harry's medical background and [[WhatDoesThisButtonDo slight stupidity]], and give Sarah Jane the DistressBall.
*** K-9 was added to justify the expense in building a robot dog prop for a small role in a one-shot story. This was generally awkward as his main gimmicks (SuperSenses, being LiteralMinded, carrying a weapon) were shared by Leela, and his others (maths and science knowledge, computer literacy, superior resilience, alien perspective) were shared with the Doctor. It is not uncommon, even after Leela's substitution with Romana, for K-9 to be left out of stories due to having [[AbsenteeActor nothing to do that the other characters can't do better]].
*** Adric was intended to serve as a counterpoint to the Fourth Doctor, who by that point had developed into an imposing, hyper-competent, quasi-mystical force of nature, and so he was made emotionally impulsive and vulnerable to ground the Doctor somewhat. When Nyssa, an alien scientist, was added, his super-genius skills became redundant (especially since Nyssa was good at other things than just maths) and when the Doctor regenerated into the more vulnerable and flawed Fifth Doctor his flawed-hero side became redundant as well. Again, this led to him being left out of plots due to having nothing to do.

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* ''Series/DoctorWho'' gave this as reason for writing out Liz Shaw, a ScienceHero companion who was almost as clever as the Doctor and who he treated like an equal. The argument was that she was necessarily not as good at science as the Doctor (seeing as he was an alien ImpossibleGenius) but also too strong and intelligent to have her catching the DistressBall without it eroding her personality, meaning her gimmick was that she could do everything the Doctor could but not quite as well. The team replaced her with an [[TwistedAnkle ankle-twisting]] DumbBlonde who was a more physical heroine than Liz was and tended to get more good scenes of sneaking around, doing 'escapology' and [[TapOnTheHead breaking vases over people's heads]] (and fewer good scenes of her doing chemistry and outwitting enemies, naturally). Later (and earlier) companions who had being scientific geniuses as their hat tended to be contrasted to the Doctor by being more naive and/or closed-minded than he is.

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* ''Series/DoctorWho'' runs into this problem whenever scientific companions are created:
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gave this as reason for writing out Liz Shaw, a ScienceHero companion who was almost as clever as the Doctor and who he treated like an equal. The argument was that she was necessarily not as good at science as the Doctor (seeing as he was an alien ImpossibleGenius) but also too strong and intelligent to have her catching the DistressBall without it eroding her personality, meaning her gimmick was that she could do everything the Doctor could but not quite as well. The team replaced her with an [[TwistedAnkle ankle-twisting]] DumbBlonde who was a more physical heroine than Liz was and tended to get more good scenes of sneaking around, doing 'escapology' and [[TapOnTheHead breaking vases over people's heads]] (and fewer good scenes of her doing chemistry and outwitting enemies, naturally). Later naturally).
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(and earlier) companions who had being scientific geniuses as their hat tended to be contrasted to the Doctor by being more terms of having a major personality quirk that modifies how they use their knowledge - Susan was fearful and childish unlike the reckless and grandpaternalistic Doctor; Vicki tended to be foolhardy and emotional; Zoe was naive and/or closed-minded and while she was more knowledgeable than he is.
the Doctor she wasn't as good as him at applying the knowledge. K-9 is a LiteralMinded RobotDog with none of the Doctor's social skills, wit or planning ability; Romana is convinced of her own superiority to everyone else and has no experience of life outside of her privilege; Adric is impulsive, [[FailureHero ineffectual]] and gullible; Nyssa is sheltered; Turlough is devious; Ace was undereducated at everything except explosive chemistry and River is a mysterious ActionGirl.
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* ''Series/DoctorWho'' gave this as reason for writing out Liz Shaw, a ScienceHero companion who was almost as clever as the Doctor and who he treated like an equal. The argument was that she was necessarily not as good at science as the Doctor (seeing as he was an alien ImpossibleGenius) but also too strong and intelligent to have her catching the DistressBall without it eroding her personality, meaning her gimmick was that she could do everything the Doctor could but not quite as well. The team replaced her with an [[TwistedAnkle ankle-twisting]] DumbBlonde who was a more physical heroine than Liz was and tended to get more good scenes of sneaking around, doing 'escapology' and [[TapOnTheHead breaking vases over people's heads]] (and fewer good scenes of her doing chemistry and outwitting enemies, naturally). Later (and earlier) companions who had being scientific geniuses as their hat tended to be contrasted to the Doctor by being more naive and/or closed-minded than he is.
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** The sixth, seventh and tenth games do this with their Dancer-style party members. They all serve the same gameplay function, to give an ally an extra turn, and for obvious reasons only one can be on the battlefield at a time. In the sixth, you have Elphin the quiet, reserved Bard [[spoiler: who turns out to be [[KingIncognito the prince of Etruria in hiding]]]] and Lalum the cheerful flirty dancer, who are MutuallyExclusivePartyMembers. In the seventh, the similarities bewtween Nils and Ninian are justified by them being siblings, but Nils is a bard who uses MagicMusic while Ninian is a softspoken Dancer. The tenth game, Radiant Dawn, has ''three'' Herons, and this time the differences make their way into the gameplay: Raphael's chants ''always'' refresh 4 allies, [[MightyGlacier the tradeoff being that he moves slowly and can't fly]], Leanne can refresh two allies at once (either left and right or up and down), while Reyson can only refresh one ally normally but 4 while transformed.
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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'''s Minako originally starred in her own manga, ''Manga/CodenameSailorV'', before being absorbed into the series, creating the odd situation where the derived character (Usagi) ended up being the lead. Minako has since undergone DivergentCharacterEvolution twice: a more outwardly capable but loopy character for the anime, and a straight serious character for the LiveActionAdaptation.

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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'''s Minako Aino originally starred in her own manga, ''Manga/CodenameSailorV'', before being absorbed into the series, creating the odd situation where the derived character (Usagi) ended up being the lead. Minako has since undergone DivergentCharacterEvolution twice: a more outwardly capable but loopy character for the anime, and a straight serious character for the LiveActionAdaptation.
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* Curiously averted in ''Film/MarvelsTheAvengers'': Tony Stark describes said team to [[BigBad Loki]] as "your brother the demi-god; a super soldier, a living legend who kind of lives up to the legend; a man with breath-taking anger management issues [and] a couple of master assassins" (Black Widow and Hawkeye). In the comics, Hawkeye is slightly more 'wacky' and wisecracking, but with Iron Man having taken over as the movieverse's brash rascal, Hawkeye has lost that quality, putting him in the same category as "dour government hitman" Black Widow. To compensate, Hawkeye is more of [[TheQuietOne a quiet]] sniper type, although once he's out of Loki's mind control, he's [[DeadpanSnarker making casual jokes]].

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* Curiously averted in ''Film/MarvelsTheAvengers'': ''Film/TheAvengers'': Tony Stark describes said team to [[BigBad Loki]] as "your brother the demi-god; a super soldier, a living legend who kind of lives up to the legend; a man with breath-taking anger management issues [and] a couple of master assassins" (Black Widow and Hawkeye). In the comics, Hawkeye is slightly more 'wacky' and wisecracking, but with Iron Man having taken over as the movieverse's brash rascal, Hawkeye has lost that quality, putting him in the same category as "dour government hitman" Black Widow. To compensate, Hawkeye is more of [[TheQuietOne a quiet]] sniper type, although once he's out of Loki's mind control, he's [[DeadpanSnarker making casual jokes]].
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* Curiously averted in ''Film/MarvelsTheAvengers'': Tony describes his team as "the demi-god; a super soldier, a living legend who kind of lives up to the legend; a man with breath-taking anger management issues [and] "a couple of master assassins", almost lampshading that, with Iron Man having taken over as the franchise's brash rascal, Hawkeye has lost his speciation, throwing him into a similar category as "dour government hitman" Black Widow.

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* Curiously averted in ''Film/MarvelsTheAvengers'': Tony Stark describes his said team to [[BigBad Loki]] as "the "your brother the demi-god; a super soldier, a living legend who kind of lives up to the legend; a man with breath-taking anger management issues [and] "a a couple of master assassins", almost lampshading that, assassins" (Black Widow and Hawkeye). In the comics, Hawkeye is slightly more 'wacky' and wisecracking, but with Iron Man having taken over as the franchise's movieverse's brash rascal, Hawkeye has lost his speciation, throwing that quality, putting him into a similar in the same category as "dour government hitman" Black Widow.
Widow. To compensate, Hawkeye is more of [[TheQuietOne a quiet]] sniper type, although once he's out of Loki's mind control, he's [[DeadpanSnarker making casual jokes]].
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** Pretty much all her incarnations treat her as a veteran, and occasionally showcase her greater experience at being a MagicalGirl than the rest of the Senshi, and except in the anime. The manga and live-action show especially shows her being serious and knowledgeable; the anime suggests that ''not being alone'' has loosened her up from the more serious personality she had in earlier seasons, but shows her being able to pull magical girl stunts (like leaping onto send-floor balconies ''from the street outside the house'') while in civilian form.

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** Pretty much all her incarnations treat her as a veteran, and occasionally showcase her greater experience at being a MagicalGirl than the rest of the Senshi, and except in the anime. The manga and live-action show especially shows her being serious and knowledgeable; the anime suggests that ''not being alone'' has loosened her up from the more serious personality she had in earlier seasons, but shows her being able to pull magical girl stunts (like leaping onto send-floor second-floor balconies ''from the street outside the house'') while in civilian form.
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* Curiously averted in ''Film/MarvelsTheAvengers'': Tony describes his team as "the demi-god; a super soldier, a living legend who kind of lives up to the legend; a man with breath-taking anger management issues [and] "a couple of master assassins", almost lampshading that, with Iron Man having taken over as the franchise's brash rascal, Hawkeye has lost his speciation, throwing him into a similar category as "dour government hitman" Black Widow.
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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'''s Minako originally starred in her own manga, CodenameSailorV, before being absorbed into the series, creating the odd situation where the derived character (Usagi) ended up being the lead. Minako has since undergone DivergentCharacterEvolution twice: a more outwardly capable but loopy character for the anime, and a straight serious character for the LiveActionAdaptation.

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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'''s Minako originally starred in her own manga, CodenameSailorV, ''Manga/CodenameSailorV'', before being absorbed into the series, creating the odd situation where the derived character (Usagi) ended up being the lead. Minako has since undergone DivergentCharacterEvolution twice: a more outwardly capable but loopy character for the anime, and a straight serious character for the LiveActionAdaptation.
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* Completely Averted in Manga/DragonBall. Every Character has the exact same powers, with only one or two special moves differentiating them. But by the end of the series, everyone has either taught each other their unique moves, or developed something that essentially does the same thing. Whoever has the highest PowerLevel is the best in speed, power, endurance and Ki attacks.

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* Completely Averted in Manga/DragonBall. Every Character character has the exact same powers, with only one or two special moves differentiating them. But by the end of the series, everyone has either taught each other their unique moves, or developed something that essentially does the same thing. Whoever has the highest PowerLevel is the best in speed, power, endurance and Ki attacks.
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NotSoSimilar is the super trope. Compare DivergentCharacterEvolution, which happens gradually and isn't as deliberate.

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NotSoSimilar is the super trope. Compare DivergentCharacterEvolution, which happens gradually and isn't as deliberate. See also {{Chickification}}, a common cause of which is this trope.
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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' has both ComicBook/PlasticMan and ElongatedMan, who are rivals and accuse each other of being the other's PoorMansSubstitute who Batman only asks for help when the other is busy. Plastic Man even refers to Elongated Man as his "D-list doppelganger".

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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' has both ComicBook/PlasticMan and ElongatedMan, ComicBook/ElongatedMan, who are rivals and accuse each other of being the other's PoorMansSubstitute who Batman only asks for help when the other is busy. Plastic Man even refers to Elongated Man as his "D-list doppelganger".
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* As noted above, there's been a running gag in TheDCU over the years about the JusticeLeague's two "stretchy guys," Plastic Man and Ralph "Elongated Man" Dibny, who have the same powers and similarly light-hearted personalities. (The Elongated Man was created as a CaptainErsatz of Plastic Man, whose creator was unaware that DC had acquired the rights to Plas) DC separated the characters by emphasizing that Elongated Man was also a brilliant detective, and exaggerating Plastic Man's fun-loving side to the point of outright lunacy (at one point Plas says about Ralph, "Nice guy, but someone left the door open and his personality just bolted"). DC seemed to be doing away with the confusion by making Ralph darker and moodier, arguably to the character's detriment, before concluding this character arc by having him die in a HeroicSacrifice. And more recently, [[spoiler:Ralph and his wife have returned as crime-fighting ghosts]]. Which is ... quite different indeed.

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* As noted above, there's been a running gag in TheDCU Franchise/TheDCU over the years about the JusticeLeague's two "stretchy guys," Plastic Man and Ralph "Elongated Man" Dibny, who have the same powers and similarly light-hearted personalities. (The Elongated Man was created as a CaptainErsatz of Plastic Man, whose creator was unaware that DC had acquired the rights to Plas) DC separated the characters by emphasizing that Elongated Man was also a brilliant detective, and exaggerating Plastic Man's fun-loving side to the point of outright lunacy (at one point Plas says about Ralph, "Nice guy, but someone left the door open and his personality just bolted"). DC seemed to be doing away with the confusion by making Ralph darker and moodier, arguably to the character's detriment, before concluding this character arc by having him die in a HeroicSacrifice. And more recently, [[spoiler:Ralph and his wife have returned as crime-fighting ghosts]]. Which is ... quite different indeed.



* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' has both PlasticMan and ElongatedMan, who are rivals and accuse each other of being the other's PoorMansSubstitute who Batman only asks for help when the other is busy. Plastic Man even refers to Elongated Man as his "D-list doppelganger".

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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' has both PlasticMan ComicBook/PlasticMan and ElongatedMan, who are rivals and accuse each other of being the other's PoorMansSubstitute who Batman only asks for help when the other is busy. Plastic Man even refers to Elongated Man as his "D-list doppelganger".
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* Somewhat averted by playing it straight in the ''Drizzt Do'Urden'' novels. Of the five main characters (six counting the mascot), four are skilled melee fighters. It's broken up by having one of them being far and away the best technical fighter; one of them being monstrously strong; another being a tough, tactical group-fighter; and [[TheChick the fourth]] usually doing ranged support. Later, one leaves, and another shows an interest in magic, while a third gets older and starts attending as much to his political duties as his military ones.

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* Somewhat averted by playing it straight Downplayed in the ''Drizzt Do'Urden'' novels. Of the five main characters (six counting the mascot), four are skilled melee fighters. It's broken up by having one of them being far and away the best technical fighter; one of them being monstrously strong; another being a tough, tactical group-fighter; and [[TheChick the fourth]] usually doing ranged support. Later, one leaves, and another shows an interest in magic, while a third gets older and starts attending as much to his political duties as his military ones.
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* Zelos Wilder and Kratos Aurion in ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'' have nearly indistinguishable battle skills, but the former is a laid-back and good-humored ClassicalAntiHero while the latter is a prudent and easily frustrated NinetiesAntiHero. [[spoiler: They're also mutually exclusive to use at the end of the game.]]
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* Done in the ''Film/{{X-Men}}'' movies (the comics... not so much). According to the features, some characters were never used for precisely this reason. At least before the character flood in ''XMenTheLastStand''.

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* Done in the ''Film/{{X-Men}}'' movies (the comics... not so much). According to the features, some characters were never used for precisely this reason. At least before the character flood in ''XMenTheLastStand''.
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** Thing is, EM/Plastic Man don't have the same abilities. Elongated Man is a "stretchy guy who happens to be a genius detective-type". Plastic Man basically IS plastic, and can control/reshape every molecule in his body. Plus being nigh-invulnerable and seemingly immortal (3000ish years old and still going strong). Batman himself referred to Plas as the most dangerous being on the planet, so...

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** Thing is, EM/Plastic Man don't have the same abilities. Elongated Man is a "stretchy guy who happens to be a genius detective-type". Plastic Man basically IS plastic, and can control/reshape every molecule in his body. Plus being nigh-invulnerable and seemingly immortal (3000ish years old and still going strong). Batman himself referred to Plas as the most dangerous being on the planet, so...Of course, this is deliberate DivergentCharacterEvolution specifically created in TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain.
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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' has both PlasticMan and ElongatedMan, who are rivals and accuse each other of being the other's PoorMansSubstitute who Batman only asks for help when the other is busy. Plastic Man even refers to Elongated Man as his "D-list doppelganger".
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** Played straight as well, with Aquaman, and with just as unfortunate results. While Aquaman is strongest around open water he still has super strength and resilience out of water. Apparently worried that he would make Superman obsolete (yeah, right) the writers downplayed his non-aquatic powers to the point that he became basically helpless. Spending most of his time as a male version of the DamselInDistress quickly dropped him to [[TheScrappy Scrappy status]].

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** Played straight as well, with Aquaman, and with just as unfortunate results. While Aquaman is strongest around open water he still has super strength and resilience out of water. Apparently worried that he would make Superman obsolete (yeah, right) the writers downplayed his non-aquatic powers to the point that he became basically helpless. Spending most of his time as a [[DistressedDude male version of the DamselInDistress Damsel In Distress]] quickly dropped him to [[TheScrappy Scrappy status]].

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