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*** But if you see a human catching fruit flies specifically to pull their wings off, or starve them, or whatever, you're probably going to think of him as sadistic. Nyarlathotep doesn't seem to be incidentally killing, but going out of his way to screw with people.

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*** But if you see a human catching fruit flies specifically to pull their wings off, or starve them, or whatever, you're probably going to think of him as sadistic. Nyarlathotep doesn't seem to be incidentally killing, but going out of his way to screw with people.
*** This is a case of {{Flanderization}} of the character, based on very few cues in Lovecraft's original fiction. He is usually depicted as a guardian of hidden knowledge, who may pass some of them on in return for human sacrifices. But he is also the bringer of knowledge in some indeterminate future, who grants humanity so much so quickly that they can't take it, and succumb to madness. And he is a guardian of the Earth's gods in the Dreamlands, who keeps them safe from mortals attempting to confront them for reasons unknown, since he clearly doesn't hold them in very high regard, but once again his function is to act as a guardian preventing mortals from crossing their boundaries. This role is the only one where he demonstrates inventive cruelty that has become his staplemark in the works of later authors, and notably is foiled by his own cleverness.
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* This plays a large role in ''HeroicAge'', in which the "Iron Race" (humanity) doesn't understand the values of the "Silver Race" that is warring against them, especially considering that they are {{Straw Vulcan}}s who reject/transfer emotions to a few chosen individuals. The [[PoorCommunicationKills lack of understanding]] that [[spoiler: the SR have no emotional attachments (to home planets) while humanity does]], causes the SR to wonder why the humans would try to take back their home planet and then try to conquer the homes of the [[{{Mooks}} "Bronze Race"]] and SR, and [[spoiler: causes the human military to attack what they assumed was a well defended BR homeworld when it was a [[KickTheDog weakly defended mass nursery]], and attack the SR homeworld which was mostly abandoned, opening themselves up for an ambush]].
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* In ''TroperWorks/TouhouNekokayou'', [[TheJudge Judge]] [[CelestialBureaucracy of the dead]] Shikieiki [[http://dizzy.pestermom.com/?p=thcomic126 attempts to view the karma of]] [[TheMadHatter mad hatter]] Kisume using her ability to see things in [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black and white]]. Kisume shows up [[UnsoundEffect mauve]].
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** Such things are actually lampshaded by some newer software development models. For instance, if someone spends 7 days popping balloons and then 3 days programming straight through, newer models will generally try to eliminate those 7 days or replace them with something productive. Adherents to the older models will probably defend those 7 days as being productive.
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**** And regardless, it actually makes perfect sense. Insanity (broadly defined as mental illness for the sake of this) is fairly high among creative individuals... but it's also fairly high among intellectuals like mathematicians.
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** As far as the Centaurs go, this troper always thought they just found it insulting to need to be classified as "near-human intelligent" and would just prefer to be classified as something else entirly. They would likely accept "human intelligence" or something similar.
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** Goblin law states that an item belongs to the goblin who made it. Thus nothing is bought from goblins, only rented, leading to some complications in ''Deathly Hallows''.
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** That almost makes them sound like BloodKnights; most things are valid targets, except for things that can't defend themselves.

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** That almost makes them sound like BloodKnights; {{Blood Knight}}s; most things are valid targets, except for things that can't defend themselves.
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* ''ChronoTrigger'' fans can't seem to agree on [[http://chronocompendium.com/Term/The_Ethics_of_Lavos.html the ethics of]] [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Lavos]].

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* ''ChronoTrigger'' fans can't seem to agree on [[http://chronocompendium.com/Term/The_Ethics_of_Lavos.html the ethics of]] [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Lavos]].Lavos.

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ten commandments oddity, spelling fix


*** That stand for theological Values Dissonance: When you belive that disrespecting your task of feeding the Gods with blood will bring the end of the word well, you had to have a thing for human sacrifice. And being invaded was not only because of Quetzacoalt, they also lost a proper war.

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*** That stand for theological Values Dissonance: When you belive that disrespecting your task of feeding the Gods with blood will bring the end of the word well, you had to have a thing for human sacrifice. And being invaded was not only because of Quetzacoalt, Quetzalcoatl, they also lost a proper war.


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** On a side note, stealing a carrot is serious enough to violate the ten commandments; some forms of treason aren't.
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** One faery comments that she prefers working in adult films with demons because their hearts are pure.
** Dar tortured Lila for information he and those surrounding knew she did not have. This makes perfect sense to most elves.
** In an example of etiquette, rather than morality: Elves live for a very long time, and so are patient. They will just wait for you to finish or do otherwise. Humans see this as infuriating, because it looks like the elves don't care about ''anything''. Elves find the human way of conversation annoying to a little childish, though they usually understand.
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* The [=Buggers/Formics=] in ''EndersGame'' are a little confused when humanity declares war on them for killing a few of us: they are a HiveMind, and a few workers here and there are about as important to them as toenail clippings. (Killing ''queens'' is something of a crime, since they are individuals in the "human" sense of the word, and once the Buggers ''figure out'' that humanity consists entirely of queens, they [[PetTheDog stop attacking us]].)
** A similar conflict happens in the sequel, ''Speaker For The Dead'', when several pequeninos are murdered for providing important conceptual or technological advances. ''This'' only gets figured out humans realize that, due to the piggies' BizarreAlienBiology, MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning. (For instance, after a piggy is ritually executed, they can have children. They also turn into a tree.)
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** That's NotSoDifferent from humans as you seem to think it is.
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** The troll society definitely falls under this trope as well; especially in regards to their romance and caste system.
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** Somewhere on the web there's a delicious account of trying to explain the plot of ''Hamlet'' to a tribe with very different mores.
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** Possibly borrowed from Heinlein, iirc ''Space Cadet'': eating is the big taboo on Venus.
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** In one of Larry Niven's ''Draco Tavern'' stories, a crewman from the first interstellar mission reveals that when the Centaurians took DNA samples it wasn't for pure scientific purposes: they grow brainless human clones as a food delicacy. The UN quietly accepts royalties.
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**This was not the intended effect of the drink. The feast is interrupted by a bird before it can be completed.
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** To be fair, the only information they got was from Jack, who barely understood Christmas himself, SoYeah.

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** To be fair, the only information they got was from Jack, who barely understood Christmas himself, SoYeah.himself.

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*** Very little has been said that can definitively be taken as fact, so there's still plenty of room for WildMassGuessing in regards to the Reapers. It's entirely possible [[spoiler: that humanity was being turned into a new Reaper merely to make up for Sovereign having been destroyed.]] Or maybe not.

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*** Very little has been said that can definitively be taken as fact, so there's still plenty of room for WildMassGuessing in regards to the Reapers. It's entirely possible [[spoiler: that humanity was being turned into a new Reaper merely to make up for Sovereign having been destroyed.]] Or maybe not. not.
*** There's also the theory that the Reapers are actually collective consciousnesses, perhaps similar to the Geth, consisting of their previous "victim" species. In this theory, indoctrination is actually the process of absorbing a foreign consciousness into the collective.
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* There are three major ethical theories: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequentialism Consequentialism]] (the morality of an action is dictated by its consequences), [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deontological_ethics Deontological ethics]] (the morality of an action is based on the action) and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_ethics virtue ethics]] (morality is based on virtues). The morality of a given decision will vary widely between them.
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I think he could fit (although it's also sound to just see him as a very evil person).

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* Zolf Kimblee of ''FullmetalAlchemist'' has a bizarre kind of code that isn't informed at all by considerations of right and wrong. Kimblee respects people who are true to their values, including those who are pacifistic, but he respects commitment itself and doesn't care whether the value being committed to is good or bad. Thus, Kimblee was committed to carrying out genocide when ordered to, but is also shown having respect for Alex Armstrong being committed to his values and defying orders and trying to save civilians. Thus, he's willing to save Armstrong from being court-marshaled (by killing the civilians Armstrong was trying to save).
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* One of the ''Eternals'' books invokes this, a bit mixed with BeyondGoodAndEvil. It is set in an alternate universe where the SuperhumanRegistrationAct is a fact, and IronMan is trying to get them to register, eventually saying that "you must choose a side". The Eternals' leader replies "Imagine that you find two kids fighting over who gets a plastic ball. Would '''you''' choose a side?"


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*** Not quite so, though. Using a piano was a deliverate attempt at misdirection, since it could have been ''any'' Toon which dropped it, maybe without realizing it was a human down there, which would make it an accident and close the case.
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* ''GunnerkriggCourt'': What are the grounds for a true and solid friendship between the fairies? Cool hair. The two aforementioned fairies, funnily enough, happen to be orange and blue-haired.

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* ''GunnerkriggCourt'': What are the grounds for a true and solid friendship between the fairies? Cool hair. hair, it seems, since two alienated friends get back together after a haircut (much to the main characters' chagrin). The two aforementioned fairies, funnily enough, happen to be orange and blue-haired.blue-haired, respectively.

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That is simple Values Dissonance


* Ireland had a legal system several hundred years ago called Brehon law, which included such elements as the punishment for a murder being a large fine paid to the family of the victim. Where it gets interesting is that, shortly after Ireland regained partial independence from the UK and plans for a new national constitution were being drawn up, many Irish politicians were seriously considering overhauling the legal system and re-introducing the Brehon system. Fortunately they didn't (though the 1937 constitution, despite several referenda, still contains a fair few passages which are abhorrent to modern readers).
** Actually, the tradition of paying off killings was pretty wide spread through Europe, and more ValuesDissonance than Orange and Blue, as it's a practical way of settling blood feuds before they begin. The alternative to paying off the family was to have them kill one of yours, and since gold (or whatever currency the area happened to use) were considered far more valuable then than they are today (more as providers of status and therefore power than actual trading commodities) it seemed perfectly reasonable to put a price on a life. Especially if it could stop further bloodshed. A very civil arrangement, For a time before organized prisons and federal laws.
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* In ''{{The Order of the Stick}}'', we see Nale {{Completely Missing the Point}}'' of his [[HornyDevils Succubus]] companion's [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0394.html displeasure]], though by then he could get a clue. Likewise it never seems to occur to her that Nale might not like hearing about how she had sex with other people four times in a mere three ''hours''.

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* In ''{{The Order of the Stick}}'', we see Nale {{Completely Missing the Point}}'' Point}} of his [[HornyDevils Succubus]] companion's [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0394.html displeasure]], though by then he could get a clue. Likewise it never seems to occur to her that Nale might not like hearing about how she had sex with other people four times in a mere three ''hours''.''three hours''.
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Has nothing to do with Bucknell University, The University of Illinois, The University of Virginia, The University of Florida, or Auburn University (the colors of all of which are blue and orange, albeit different shades in each case). Nor the Chicago Bears.

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Has nothing to do with Bucknell University, The University of Illinois, The University of Virginia, The University of Florida, or Auburn University, or Boise State University (the colors of all of which are blue and orange, albeit different shades in each case). Nor the Chicago Bears.

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** /b/ is not your personal army. Unless it looks like being an entertaining fight...


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*** They're consistent in their feeling about cats. Oh, woe betide you if they catch you being nasty to a cat...

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*** To a certain extent... but almost all human crime can be seen as theft of a choice (the choice of owning an item, the choice of continuing to live unharmed, etc). What is alien are the feelings of one Garuda as she talks about being raped... she seems to bear no more ill-will to the rapist, so long as his punishment continues, and becomes quite irritated when a human considers her a victim worthy of pity; she refuses to be anthropomorphised.
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* There was a minor example of this on ''Voyager'': diplomatic relations almost broke down with one alien race because that race was nauseated that there could exist a culture that ''ate food in public''.

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* There was a minor example of this on ''Voyager'': ''{{Enterprise}}'': diplomatic relations almost broke down with one alien race because that race was nauseated that there could exist a culture that ''ate food in public''.

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