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13th Feb '17 7:16:30 PM Orbiting
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5th Feb '17 10:55:41 AM DustSnitch
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* According to the hero's mother in ''WesternAnimation/KuboAndTheTwoStrings'', the Moon Kingdom functions on this. Kubo's aunts and grandfather do care for him and want him happy, but their way of going about it and view of the human world is monstrous to humans - forcibly abducting them from his parents (after [[spoiler:hideously disfiguring one into a beetle]]) and plucking his remaining eye out to make him blind to the mortal realm, which the celestials consider impure and sinful.
9th Dec '16 10:18:38 PM Ikiniks
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* In general and to a lesser extent, this tends to happen with religions, both ancient and modern (not naming any names). When someone gets perplexed by the seeming arbitrariness and contradiction of the dogma, the official answer tends to be that god(s) are incomprehensible and the problem is on your end. The best we can do is obey their inscrutable commands and hope for the best. This also comes up in response to the common question of why, in an ordered universe, bad things happen to good people. Many philosophies and religions recognize that the needs of an individual and the needs of the universe at large simply won't mesh up, and a transcendent being is probably only interested in the latter. So while it might look like your god/gods/spirits are cruel bastards for killing your family with that flood, a believer needs to remember that from a divine standpoint it was probably the right thing to do (e.g. the flood was a necessary evil, or death isn't actually bad, etc.). The OmniscientMoralityLicense trope is all about this.

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* In general and to a lesser To an extent, this tends to happen when dealing with religions, both ancient religious and modern (not naming any names). spiritual matters that one may not be affiliated or familiar with. When someone gets an outside perspective is perplexed by the seeming perceived arbitrariness and and/or contradiction of the dogma, the official a belief, a commonly given answer tends to be is that god(s) are incomprehensible [[InMysteriousWays the higher powers aren't easily understood]] and also that [[HumanityIsFlawed the problem is most likely on your end. The our end]]. Thus the best we can do is obey their inscrutable commands listen to them and hope for the best. This also comes up in response to the common question of why, in an ordered universe, a universe believed to be controlled by a benevolent force, bad things happen to good people. Many philosophies and religions recognize that the needs and wants of an individual and the needs of the universe at large simply won't mesh up, will conflict, and a transcendent being is probably only interested in likely isn't exclusively concerned with the latter. former. So while it one person might look like your god/gods/spirits are see another's [[ThePowersThatBe Power(s) That Be]] as needlessly cruel bastards for killing your family an action that doesn't sit with well with them, that flood, a believer needs to remember other person would say that from a divine standpoint it was probably is the right thing to do (e.g. the flood was a necessary evil, or death isn't actually bad, etc.). The OmniscientMoralityLicense trope is all about this.from their own and their divine entity's standpoint.
12th Oct '16 10:15:04 AM LupoCani
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Note that cases involving solely [[PoorCommunicationKills a misapprehension of facts and consequences]] do not count here no matter how alien the reasons; if, for example, a race of aliens thinks [[ImmortalLifeIsCheap killing is okay]] because its own members [[HealingFactor respawn within a day]] with [[DeathIsCheap no harm done]], and [[IThoughtEveryoneCouldDoThat mistake humans as working the same way]], that doesn't mean they wouldn't balk at killing if they realized the degree of harm it causes to other creatures. In this case, they may be working by comprehensible moral standards and just gravely mistaken about the implications of their actions.

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Note that cases involving solely [[PoorCommunicationKills a misapprehension of facts and consequences]] do not count here no matter how alien the reasons; if, for example, a race of aliens thinks [[ImmortalLifeIsCheap killing is okay]] because its own members [[HealingFactor respawn within a day]] with [[DeathIsCheap no harm done]], done, and [[IThoughtEveryoneCouldDoThat mistake humans as working the same way]], that doesn't mean they wouldn't balk at killing if they realized the degree of harm it causes to other creatures. In this case, they may be working by comprehensible moral standards and just gravely mistaken about the implications of their actions.
12th Jul '16 7:08:11 AM godzillavkk
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And although they are often likely to commit acts we would see as horrific, some are unusually [[HarmlessVillain benign]]. Either way they tend to act as if nothing were the matter. Because in their world/mind, [[ItsWhatIDo that's just what they do]]. This trope is one of the trickier to pull off well, because MostWritersAreHuman, and it's often hard to portray alien ''truly'' foreign. Because of this, It's not uncommon for audience members to[[MisaimedFandom label]] these characters as [[DesignatedHero Designated Heroes]] or [[DesignatedVillain villains]] due to human audiences often [[HumanityIsYoung lacking the experience]] or [[HumansAreMorons knowledge]] that these fictional characters have. Audiences must remember that these characters are meant to be Morally Ambiguous.

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And although they are often likely to commit acts we would see as horrific, some are unusually [[HarmlessVillain benign]]. Either way they tend to act as if nothing were the matter. Because in their world/mind, [[ItsWhatIDo that's just what they do]]. This trope is one of the trickier to pull off well, because MostWritersAreHuman, and it's often hard to portray alien ''truly'' foreign. Because of this, It's not uncommon for audience members to[[MisaimedFandom to [[MisaimedFandom label]] these characters as [[DesignatedHero Designated Heroes]] or [[DesignatedVillain villains]] due to human audiences often [[HumanityIsYoung lacking the experience]] or [[HumansAreMorons knowledge]] that these fictional characters have. Audiences must remember that these characters are meant to be Morally Ambiguous.
12th Jul '16 7:07:50 AM godzillavkk
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And although they are often likely to commit acts we would see as horrific, some are unusually [[HarmlessVillain benign]]. Either way they tend to act as if nothing were the matter. Because in their world/mind, [[ItsWhatIDo that's just what they do]]. This trope is one of the trickier to pull off well, because MostWritersAreHuman, and it's often hard to portray alien ''truly'' foreign.

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And although they are often likely to commit acts we would see as horrific, some are unusually [[HarmlessVillain benign]]. Either way they tend to act as if nothing were the matter. Because in their world/mind, [[ItsWhatIDo that's just what they do]]. This trope is one of the trickier to pull off well, because MostWritersAreHuman, and it's often hard to portray alien ''truly'' foreign.
foreign. Because of this, It's not uncommon for audience members to[[MisaimedFandom label]] these characters as [[DesignatedHero Designated Heroes]] or [[DesignatedVillain villains]] due to human audiences often [[HumanityIsYoung lacking the experience]] or [[HumansAreMorons knowledge]] that these fictional characters have. Audiences must remember that these characters are meant to be Morally Ambiguous.
30th Mar '16 6:52:18 PM Eievie
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->''"For one of dragon's blood to not take up weapons, to not prepare night and day to slaughter any enemies that would come against them – it is unthinkable. It is – one who does such a thing, who believes the world will not be dangerous, will not strive to kill him... That is what we call insane."''

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->''"For one of dragon's blood to not take up weapons, to not prepare night and day to slaughter any enemies that would come against them – it them--it is unthinkable. It is – one is--one who does such a thing, who believes the world will not be dangerous, will not strive to kill him... him… That is what we call insane."''



The strangest of these characters are those who espouse Blue And Orange Morality. These characters have a moral framework that is so utterly alien and foreign to human experience that we can't peg them as good or evil. They aren't a ChaoticNeutral [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]], though they may seem to act [[CloudCuckooLander terrifyingly randomly;]] nor are they necessarily a LawfulNeutral [[TheFettered Fettered]], because our and their understanding of 'law' as a concept may not even be equivalent. There might be a [[InsaneTrollLogic logic]] behind their actions, it's just that they operate with entirely different sets of values and premises with which to draw their conclusions. It's also worth noting that such cultures are just as likely to be something we'd find appalling, as they are to be something we'd find benign and/or weird. [[HumansThroughAlienEyes They may also find us appalling, benign, or weird even if we don't see them that way.]]

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The strangest of these characters are those who espouse Blue And Orange Morality. These characters have a moral framework that is so utterly alien and foreign to human experience that we can't peg them as good "good" or evil. "evil". They aren't a ChaoticNeutral [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]], though they may seem to act [[CloudCuckooLander terrifyingly randomly;]] nor are they necessarily a LawfulNeutral [[TheFettered Fettered]], because our and their understanding of 'law' "law" as a concept may not even be equivalent. There might be a [[InsaneTrollLogic logic]] behind their actions, it's just that they operate with entirely different sets of values and premises with which to draw their conclusions. It's also worth noting that such cultures are just as likely to be something we'd find appalling, as they are to be something we'd find benign and/or weird. [[HumansThroughAlienEyes They may also find us appalling, benign, or weird even if we don't see them that way.]]
5th Feb '16 8:44:43 AM valozzy
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5th Feb '16 1:02:06 AM Blue050645TL
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2nd Feb '16 11:09:50 AM eroock
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->"''For one of dragon's blood to not take up weapons, to not prepare night and day to slaughter any enemies that would come against them – it is unthinkable. It is – one who does such a thing, who believes the world will not be dangerous, will not strive to kill him... That is what we call insane."''

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