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* The failure of ''Series/TheJimHensonHour'', then the latest in a string of flops, combined with the stress of managing his own production companies, keeping an eagle eye on [[DoingItForTheArt quality control]] and issues in his personal life (he had separated from his wife a few years prior), left Creator/JimHenson seriously burned out in its aftermath. The result was him nearly selling the Muppets franchise to Disney so he could focus solely on creating and performing, which only didn't go through because he died during the negotiations.
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** However, amidst the voice actor controversy surrounding ''VideoGame/Bayonetta3'', his Twitter account was gone (and thus all the amusement), and with this news, it seems obvious that people, in the West at least, are tired of this shtick (and of course invoke AndThereWasMuchRejoicing as revenge against his behavior). His account being gone is either a culmination of this trope from his side (considering the voice actor issue is Western-centric, see the above points) or the result of mass-reporting by the followers of the controversy.
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** However, amidst the voice actor controversy surrounding ''VideoGame/Bayonetta3'', his Twitter account was gone (and thus all the amusement), and with this news, it seems obvious that people, in the West at least, are tired of this shtick (and of course invoke AndThereWasMuchRejoicing as revenge against his behavior). His account being gone is either a culmination of this trope from his side (considering the voice actor issue is Western-centric, see the above points) or the result of mass-reporting by the followers of the controversy.

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* The author of ''LightNovel/ReZero'', Tappei Nagatsuki, is a unique case in that not only does he despise modern day NEET otaku, but he also despises the light novel industry, particularly generic Isekai stories, in general, hence many of LightNovel/ReZero's [[TakeThatAudience jabs toward the audience]] being the result of this. Nagatsuki has even stated outright that the reason his characters suffer great pain that is a little too close to home for many of these Otaku is that he feels modern Isekai LN authors aren't gutsy enough to do so.


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* The author of ''Literature/ReZero'', Tappei Nagatsuki, is a unique case in that not only does he despise modern day NEET {{otaku}}, but he also despises the {{light novel|s}} industry itself, particularly generic [[TrappedInAnotherWorld Isekai]] stories, in general, hence many of ''Re:Zero'''s [[TakeThatAudience jabs toward the audience]] being the result of this. Nagatsuki has even stated outright that the reason his characters suffer great pain that is a little too close to home for many of these Otaku is that he feels modern Isekai LN authors aren't gutsy enough to put their main characters through real hardships.
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** Porter largely got his groove back after the release of '''Nurture'', which continued his introspective, indietronica direction and served as the end of a creative drought he experienced from 2015 to 2017. Much of ''Nurture'' was inspired by him rediscovering how to make music for himself to express honest feelings instead of doing it to be productive or successful. This change in perspective was also aided by his work with Music/{{Madeon}} on Shelter, nostalgic late-90s/early 2000s dance music side project Virtual Self, and the start of his curated music festival Second Sky, all in 2017. During the 2020 version of Secret Sky, the virtual counterpart to Second Sky, he threw a bone to ''Spitfire''-era fans by performing [[https://www.1001tracklists.com/tracklist/2k82n27k/dj-potaro-secret-sky-festival-2020-05-09.html a full electro house set]] as his mascot character Potaro complete with some of his deep cut remixes and an unreleased song from that era.

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** Porter largely got his groove back after the release of '''Nurture'', ''Nurture'', which continued his introspective, indietronica direction and served as the end of a creative drought he experienced from 2015 to 2017. Much of ''Nurture'' was inspired by him rediscovering how to make music for himself to express honest feelings instead of doing it to be productive or successful. This change in perspective was also aided by his work with Music/{{Madeon}} on Shelter, nostalgic late-90s/early 2000s dance music side project Virtual Self, and the start of his curated music festival Second Sky, all in 2017. During the 2020 version of Secret Sky, the virtual counterpart to Second Sky, he threw a bone to ''Spitfire''-era fans by performing [[https://www.1001tracklists.com/tracklist/2k82n27k/dj-potaro-secret-sky-festival-2020-05-09.html a full electro house set]] as his mascot character Potaro complete with some of his deep cut remixes and an unreleased song from that era.



* In the American manga ''Manga/{{Dramacon}}'', famous fictional artist Lida Zeff has shades of this. When talking to a hopeful with dreams of becoming a manga artist, Lida lists all the difficulties of being an artist: finances, inconsistent job flow, criticism, self-doubt, and the difficulties of the business end of things. Nonetheless, she still seems to find enjoyment in her job even with the disillusionment

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* In the American manga ''Manga/{{Dramacon}}'', famous fictional artist Lida Zeff has shades of this. When talking to a hopeful with dreams of becoming a manga artist, Lida lists all the difficulties of being an artist: finances, inconsistent job flow, criticism, self-doubt, and the difficulties of the business end of things. Nonetheless, she still seems to find enjoyment in her job even with the disillusionmentdisillusionment.
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** Porter largely got his groove back after the release of '''Nurture'', which continued his introspective, indietronica direction and served as the end of a creative drought he experienced from 2015 to 2017. Much of ''Nurture'' was inspired by him rediscovering how to make music for himself to express honest feelings instead of doing it to be productive or successful. This change in perspective was also aided by his work with Music/{{Madeon}} on Shelter, nostalgic late-90s/early 2000s dance music side project Virtual Self, and the start of his curated music festival Second Sky, all in 2017. During the 2020 version of Secret Sky, the virtual counterpart to Second Sky, he threw a bone to ''Spitfire''-era fans by performing [[https://www.1001tracklists.com/tracklist/2k82n27k/dj-potaro-secret-sky-festival-2020-05-09.html a full electro house set]] as his mascot character Potaro complete with some of his deep cut remixes and an unreleased song from that era.
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* LetsPlay/LewisBrindley, in response to constant badgering about ''[[Machinima/YogscastMinecraftSeries Shadow of Israphel]]'', has said that he's ''really'' tired of it, and that he actually feels demotivated to do it. This, on top of a lot of the old creation team no longer being available and the LetsPlay/{{Yogscast}} in general being busier, means that the show's hiatus is unlikely to end anytime soon.

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* LetsPlay/LewisBrindley, in response to constant badgering about ''[[Machinima/YogscastMinecraftSeries ''[[WebVideo/YogscastMinecraftSeries Shadow of Israphel]]'', has said that he's ''really'' tired of it, and that he actually feels demotivated to do it. This, on top of a lot of the old creation team no longer being available and the LetsPlay/{{Yogscast}} in general being busier, means that the show's hiatus is unlikely to end anytime soon.



* Ben Singer, member of WebSite/ScrewAttack and creator of ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle'' has expressed dislike for certain members of the ''Death Battle'' fandom. The ''Death Battle'' crew has called out these people for not caring about the work they put into and only caring about who wins without context during "Mega Man vs. Astro Boy" and the fandom's annoyance over "Samus Aran vs. Boba Fett" when they complained over Fett's cold-resistance armor not equaling to cold-''immunity''. There's also the fact that these people seem to absolutely ''hate'' Creator/RoosterTeeth as there was heavy backlash towards "Yang Xiao Long vs. Tifa Lockhart" and the ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'' crossover with "The Meta vs. Agent Carolina". Ben called out the fandom with a heavy snarking message "thanking" them for their "support" for making the crossover.

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* Ben Singer, member of WebSite/ScrewAttack and creator of ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle'' has expressed dislike for certain members of the ''Death Battle'' fandom. The ''Death Battle'' crew has called out these people for not caring about the work they put into and only caring about who wins without context during "Mega Man vs. Astro Boy" and the fandom's annoyance over "Samus Aran vs. Boba Fett" when they complained over Fett's cold-resistance armor not equaling to cold-''immunity''. There's also the fact that these people seem to absolutely ''hate'' Creator/RoosterTeeth as there was heavy backlash towards "Yang Xiao Long vs. Tifa Lockhart" and the ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'' ''WebAnimation/RedVsBlue'' crossover with "The Meta vs. Agent Carolina". Ben called out the fandom with a heavy snarking message "thanking" them for their "support" for making the crossover.
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* Music/PinkFloyd suffered from two major bouts of this. The first affected Music/SydBarrett, who found himself increasingly uneasy with their growing exposure, audience sizes, and TV appearances, and didn't want the group to become any more famous. None of the others agreed with this, their rising fame was impossible to halt, and Syd sought greater and greater refuge in drugs, leading to his downward spiral into paranoia and insanity. (This was later commemorated in the album ''Music/WishYouWereHere''.) Roger Waters also suffered from the vast audiences and changed audience composition brought by their mainstream success following ''Music/TheDarkSideOfTheMoon''. While their old psychedelic fans tended to be quiet during the numbers and appreciative at the end of them, the new mainstream fans, though very appreciative, were also very loud and rowdy, and usually spent [[IconicSongRequest the whole set calling for]] [[BlackSheepHit "Money"]]. This culminated the infamous incident during the ''Music/{{Animals|1977}}'' tour where Roger spat on a particularly loud and rowdy fan (and the fan ''loved'' it). This lead to the jokey suggestion that they needed a wall between him and the audience, which led to ''Music/TheWall''.

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* Music/PinkFloyd suffered from two major bouts of this. The first affected Music/SydBarrett, who found himself increasingly uneasy with their growing exposure, audience sizes, and TV appearances, and didn't want the group to become any more famous. None of the others agreed with this, their rising fame was impossible to halt, and Syd sought greater and greater refuge in drugs, leading to his downward spiral into paranoia and insanity. (This was later commemorated in the album ''Music/WishYouWereHere''.''Music/WishYouWereHere1975''.) Roger Waters also suffered from the vast audiences and changed audience composition brought by their mainstream success following ''Music/TheDarkSideOfTheMoon''. While their old psychedelic fans tended to be quiet during the numbers and appreciative at the end of them, the new mainstream fans, though very appreciative, were also very loud and rowdy, and usually spent [[IconicSongRequest the whole set calling for]] [[BlackSheepHit "Money"]]. This culminated the infamous incident during the ''Music/{{Animals|1977}}'' tour where Roger spat on a particularly loud and rowdy fan (and the fan ''loved'' it). This lead to the jokey suggestion that they needed a wall between him and the audience, which led to ''Music/TheWall''.
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* Narrowly averted by Music/DavidBowie. By the end of TheEighties, he was deeply unhappy with his work. His NewbieBoom after the deliberately radio-friendly ''Let's Dance'' led him to bigger audiences and more income than he'd ever known before, but also to two albums that just followed on from that style, whereas before he had [[Main/NewSoundAlbum followed his muse]]. Critics picked on him, longtime fans labeled him a sell-out, and trying to please newer fans brought him little lasting satisfaction. After the Glass Spider Tour, he considered retiring from music to focus on painting. Guitarist Reeves Gabrels convinced him that he just needed to break away from pleasing others and rediscover his muse. While Tin Machine, the HardRock group Bowie and Gabrels formed with Hunt and Tony Sales in the process, is widely regarded as a DorkAge by fans and critics, it did rekindle his love of performing and paved the way for an artistic comeback in TheNineties as a solo artist. And the whole concept of his breakthrough album ''Music/TheRiseAndFallOfZiggyStardustAndTheSpidersFromMars" was about the angst of being a rock performer.

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* Narrowly averted by Music/DavidBowie. By the end of TheEighties, he was deeply unhappy with his work. His NewbieBoom after the deliberately radio-friendly ''Let's Dance'' led him to bigger audiences and more income than he'd ever known before, but also to two albums that just followed on from that style, whereas before he had [[Main/NewSoundAlbum followed his muse]]. Critics picked on him, longtime fans labeled him a sell-out, and trying to please newer fans brought him little lasting satisfaction. After the Glass Spider Tour, he considered retiring from music to focus on painting. Guitarist Reeves Gabrels convinced him that he just needed to break away from pleasing others and rediscover his muse. While Tin Machine, the HardRock group Bowie and Gabrels formed with Hunt and Tony Sales in the process, is widely regarded as a DorkAge an AudienceAlienatingEra by fans and critics, it did rekindle his love of performing and paved the way for an artistic comeback in TheNineties as a solo artist. And the whole concept of his breakthrough album ''Music/TheRiseAndFallOfZiggyStardustAndTheSpidersFromMars" was about the angst of being a rock performer.
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* Frank Mertens of German pop trio Music/{{Alphaville}} left the group in December of 1984, not even a year after their debut single released that January, and just three months after the September release of their first album. One major reason was anxiety brought by the fame and attention. Frank barely speaks in any interview footage from 1984, and one of the only written interviews with him available on the Internet in English is from a Swedish music magazine called Okej, in which he explains, "I am shy and I don't like to talk. I prefer to look and listen. Marian and Bernhard talk quite enough." According to lead singer Marian Gold, Frank approached him during a stop at Frankfurt Airport and told him that being constantly recognized by strangers was too much for him to handle, and that he would quit the band as a result.[[note]]For the record, band member Bernhard Lloyd remembers things differently. According to him, for private reasons Frank wanted to leave the Nelson Project, the art commune the members of Alphaville were living with at the time. Since in those days Alphaville was vitally linked to the Nelson Project, leaving the Project meant leaving the band as well.[[/note]] Frank would later form a band called Lonely Boys with his girlfriend Martina Richter but continued to shun interviews, and Marian has suggested that Lonely Boys' few single releases were more to honor Frank's recording contract than to generate commercially successful material. Lonely Boys disbanded in 1987 and Frank Mertens gave up being a professional musician, focusing on art and sculpture instead.
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* Music/PearlJam dealt with this on almost every album after Ten. Blood, Leash, Rats, Pry.to, Corduroy, Hitchhiker, In Hiding... Vs. album was especially charged with that. It WAS named Five Against One for a short while, after all.
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* Music/PinkFloyd suffered from two major bouts of this. The first affected Music/SydBarrett, who found himself increasingly uneasy with their growing exposure, audience sizes, and TV appearances, and didn't want the group to become any more famous. None of the others agreed with this, their rising fame was impossible to halt, and Syd sought greater and greater refuge in drugs, leading to his downward spiral into paranoia and insanity. (This was later commemorated in the album ''Music/WishYouWereHere''.) Roger Waters also suffered from the vast audiences and changed audience composition brought by their mainstream success following ''Music/TheDarkSideOfTheMoon''. While their old psychedelic fans tended to be quiet during the numbers and appreciative at the end of them, the new mainstream fans, though very appreciative, were also very loud and rowdy, and usually spent [[IconicSongRequest the whole set calling for]] [[BlackSheepHit "Money"]]. This culminated the infamous incident during the ''Music/{{Animals}}'' tour where Roger spat on a particularly loud and rowdy fan (and the fan ''loved'' it). This lead to the jokey suggestion that they needed a wall between him and the audience, which led to ''Music/TheWall''.

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* Music/PinkFloyd suffered from two major bouts of this. The first affected Music/SydBarrett, who found himself increasingly uneasy with their growing exposure, audience sizes, and TV appearances, and didn't want the group to become any more famous. None of the others agreed with this, their rising fame was impossible to halt, and Syd sought greater and greater refuge in drugs, leading to his downward spiral into paranoia and insanity. (This was later commemorated in the album ''Music/WishYouWereHere''.) Roger Waters also suffered from the vast audiences and changed audience composition brought by their mainstream success following ''Music/TheDarkSideOfTheMoon''. While their old psychedelic fans tended to be quiet during the numbers and appreciative at the end of them, the new mainstream fans, though very appreciative, were also very loud and rowdy, and usually spent [[IconicSongRequest the whole set calling for]] [[BlackSheepHit "Money"]]. This culminated the infamous incident during the ''Music/{{Animals}}'' ''Music/{{Animals|1977}}'' tour where Roger spat on a particularly loud and rowdy fan (and the fan ''loved'' it). This lead to the jokey suggestion that they needed a wall between him and the audience, which led to ''Music/TheWall''.
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** After Kimiko gets a popular role, she runs into this as well, and ends up delivering a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to a horde of fanboys who were trying to take (additional!) upskirt shots of her.

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** After Kimiko gets a popular role, she runs into this as well, and ends up delivering a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to a horde of fanboys who were trying to take (additional!) [[PantyShot upskirt shots shots]] of her.
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** After Kimiko gets a popular role, she runs into this as well, and ends up delivering a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to a horde of fanboys who were trying to take (additional!) [[PantyShot upskirt shots]] of her.

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* ''ComicBook/{{Marville}}'' was the brainchild of then-Creator/MarvelComics president/editor Bill Jemas, and became known as an infamous critical and commercial flop even before it finished its six-issue run (it had only got that far as by Jemas' own admission, his status as Marvel president gave him ProtectionFromEditors). Jemas attached an open letter in the final issue explaining his disappointment not only in the comic's failure, [[DearNegativeReader but in the comic industry as a whole]], claiming that only {{superhero}} comics sell well at Marvel (directly citing ''Marville'''s failure as proof that [[ViewersAreMorons their audiences only want superhero action, nothing more]]), Creator/DCComics avoids [[TakeThat "publishing anything that actually says anything"]], Creator/ImageComics [[TakeThat will leave you bankrupt, and independent publishers have no money or viewership]]. He was motivated to combat this by reinstating the then-defunct Creator/EpicComics imprint as a means of hiring and promoting up-and-coming comic creators with new, non-superhero stories... [[ShortRunners before it folded again one year later]].

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* ''ComicBook/{{Marville}}'' was the brainchild of then-Creator/MarvelComics president/editor Bill Jemas, and became known as an infamous critical and commercial flop even before it finished its six-issue run (it had only got that far as by Jemas' own admission, his status as Marvel president gave him ProtectionFromEditors). Jemas attached an open letter in the final issue explaining his disappointment not only in the comic's failure, [[DearNegativeReader but in the comic industry as a whole]], claiming that only {{superhero}} comics sell well at Marvel (directly citing ''Marville'''s failure as proof that [[ViewersAreMorons their audiences only want superhero action, nothing more]]), Creator/DCComics avoids [[TakeThat "publishing anything that actually says anything"]], Creator/ImageComics [[TakeThat will leave you bankrupt, and independent publishers have no money or viewership]]. He was motivated to combat this by reinstating the then-defunct Creator/EpicComics imprint as a means of hiring and promoting up-and-coming comic creators with new, non-superhero stories... stories. Sadly, [[ShortRunners before it folded again one year later]].later]], with much blame being put on Jemas' [[ExecutiveMeddling micromanaging]] and posing a rather confrontational attitude towards said potential talent -- despite the point of the imprint, Epic Comics' application guide blatantly admits that Marvel had little confidence in stories not connected with their superhero universe, and that they'd only be supported if Marvel as a whole had something to gain from it.
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* ''ComicBook/{{Marville}}'' was the brainchild of then-Creator/MarvelComics president/editor Bill Jemas, and became known as an infamous critical and commercial flop even before it finished its six-issue run (it had only got that far as by Jemas' own admission, his status as Marvel president gave him ProtectionFromEditors). Jemas attached an open letter in the final issue explaining his disappointment not only in the comic's failure, [[DearNegativeReader but in the comic industry as a whole]], claiming that only {{superhero}} comics sell well at Marvel (directly citing ''Marville'''s failure as proof that [[ViewersAreMorons their audiences only want superhero action, nothing more]]), Creator/DCComics avoids [[TakeThat "publishing anything that actually says anything"]], Creator/ImageComics [[TakeThat will leave you bankrupt, and independent publishers have no money or viewership]]. He was motivated to combat this by reinstating the then-defunct Creator/EpicComics imprint as a means of hiring and promoting up-and-coming comic creators... [[ShortRunners before it folded again one year later]].

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* ''ComicBook/{{Marville}}'' was the brainchild of then-Creator/MarvelComics president/editor Bill Jemas, and became known as an infamous critical and commercial flop even before it finished its six-issue run (it had only got that far as by Jemas' own admission, his status as Marvel president gave him ProtectionFromEditors). Jemas attached an open letter in the final issue explaining his disappointment not only in the comic's failure, [[DearNegativeReader but in the comic industry as a whole]], claiming that only {{superhero}} comics sell well at Marvel (directly citing ''Marville'''s failure as proof that [[ViewersAreMorons their audiences only want superhero action, nothing more]]), Creator/DCComics avoids [[TakeThat "publishing anything that actually says anything"]], Creator/ImageComics [[TakeThat will leave you bankrupt, and independent publishers have no money or viewership]]. He was motivated to combat this by reinstating the then-defunct Creator/EpicComics imprint as a means of hiring and promoting up-and-coming comic creators...creators with new, non-superhero stories... [[ShortRunners before it folded again one year later]].
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* ''ComicBook/{{Marville}}'' was the brainchild of then-Creator/MarvelComics president/editor Bill Jemas, and became known as an infamous critical and commercial flop even before it finished its six-issue run (it had only got that far as by Jemas' own admission, his status as Marvel president gave him ProtectionFromEditors). Jemas attached an open letter in the final issue explaining his disappointment not only in the comic's failure, [[DearNegativeReader but in the comic industry as a whole]], claiming that only {{superhero}} comics sell well at Marvel (directly citing ''Marville'''s failure as proof that [[ViewersAreMorons their audiences only want superhero action, nothing more]]), Creator/DCComics avoids [[TakeThat "publishing anything that actually says anything"]], Creator/ImageComics [[TakeThat will leave you bankrupt, and independent publishers have no money or viewership]]. This revelation did motivate him to reinstate the Creator/EpicComics imprint as a means of hiring and promoting up-and-coming comic creators... [[ShortRunners which went defunct after one year]].

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* ''ComicBook/{{Marville}}'' was the brainchild of then-Creator/MarvelComics president/editor Bill Jemas, and became known as an infamous critical and commercial flop even before it finished its six-issue run (it had only got that far as by Jemas' own admission, his status as Marvel president gave him ProtectionFromEditors). Jemas attached an open letter in the final issue explaining his disappointment not only in the comic's failure, [[DearNegativeReader but in the comic industry as a whole]], claiming that only {{superhero}} comics sell well at Marvel (directly citing ''Marville'''s failure as proof that [[ViewersAreMorons their audiences only want superhero action, nothing more]]), Creator/DCComics avoids [[TakeThat "publishing anything that actually says anything"]], Creator/ImageComics [[TakeThat will leave you bankrupt, and independent publishers have no money or viewership]]. This revelation did motivate him He was motivated to reinstate combat this by reinstating the then-defunct Creator/EpicComics imprint as a means of hiring and promoting up-and-coming comic creators... [[ShortRunners which went defunct after before it folded again one year]].year later]].
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* ''ComicBook/{{Marville}}'' was the brainchild of then-Creator/MarvelComics president/editor Bill Jemas, and became known as an infamous critical and commercial flop even before it finished its six-issue run (it had only got that far as by Jemas' own admission, his status as Marvel president gave him ProtectionFromEditors). Jemas attached an open letter in the final issue explaining his disappointment not only in the comic's failure, but in the comic industry as a whole, claiming that only {{superhero}} comics sell well at Marvel, Creator/DCComics avoids [[TakeThat "publishing anything that actually says anything"]], Creator/ImageComics [[TakeThat will leave you bankrupt, and independent publishers have no money or viewership]]. This revelation did motivate him to reinstate the Creator/EpicComics imprint as a means of hiring and promoting up-and-coming comic creators... [[ShortRunners which went defunct after one year]].

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* ''ComicBook/{{Marville}}'' was the brainchild of then-Creator/MarvelComics president/editor Bill Jemas, and became known as an infamous critical and commercial flop even before it finished its six-issue run (it had only got that far as by Jemas' own admission, his status as Marvel president gave him ProtectionFromEditors). Jemas attached an open letter in the final issue explaining his disappointment not only in the comic's failure, [[DearNegativeReader but in the comic industry as a whole, whole]], claiming that only {{superhero}} comics sell well at Marvel, Marvel (directly citing ''Marville'''s failure as proof that [[ViewersAreMorons their audiences only want superhero action, nothing more]]), Creator/DCComics avoids [[TakeThat "publishing anything that actually says anything"]], Creator/ImageComics [[TakeThat will leave you bankrupt, and independent publishers have no money or viewership]]. This revelation did motivate him to reinstate the Creator/EpicComics imprint as a means of hiring and promoting up-and-coming comic creators... [[ShortRunners which went defunct after one year]].
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** In a prologue to the final set of stories, Conan Doyle mentioned how adult men who came up to him and said that his Holmes stories were some of their favorite stories as children didn't get the response from him that they'd anticipated. On the other hand, he also noted that writing Holmes stories hadn't prevented him from flexing his literary muscle in other areas. Even if the general public only associated him with his Holmes stories, ''Literature/TheLostWorld1912'' and Literature/ProfessorChallenger would both develop their own followings, and his non-fiction historical writing won him great praise in high society and even led him to be knighted by King Edward VII. In an example that takes this trope UpToEleven, Conan Doyle very nearly turned down the knighthood, suspecting that it was for Sherlock Holmes and not for his recent book on the Boer War.

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** In a prologue to the final set of stories, Conan Doyle mentioned how adult men who came up to him and said that his Holmes stories were some of their favorite stories as children didn't get the response from him that they'd anticipated. On the other hand, he also noted that writing Holmes stories hadn't prevented him from flexing his literary muscle in other areas. Even if the general public only associated him with his Holmes stories, ''Literature/TheLostWorld1912'' and Literature/ProfessorChallenger would both develop their own followings, and his non-fiction historical writing won him great praise in high society and even led him to be knighted by King Edward VII. In an example that takes this trope UpToEleven, fact, Conan Doyle very nearly turned down the knighthood, suspecting that it was for Sherlock Holmes and not for his recent book on the Boer War.
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* Bob Budiansky, the first writer of the Marvel ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'' [[ComicBook/TheTransformers comic book]] who did a lot to develop the franchise, is a variant. He doesn't actually dislike ''Transformers'' fans, but he is rather bemused by the fact that they obsess over something that to him was just another creative job.

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* Bob Budiansky, the first writer of ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMarvel'' who did a lot to develop the Marvel franchise, doesn't actually dislike ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'' [[ComicBook/TheTransformers comic book]] who did a lot to develop the franchise, is a variant. He doesn't actually dislike ''Transformers'' fans, but he is rather bemused by the fact that they obsess over something that to him was just another creative job.



* Joe Casey (one-fourth of Creator/ManOfActionStudios), who famously wrote a story complaining about how his fans prefer his mainstream friendly super-hero stuff that was continuity heavy and took back an apology he offered them when he realized that said apology's confession about him having a huge drug problem (and producing some of his worst work as a writer while on drugs), pretty much painted him in a bad light. His disillusionment (and fan disillusionment with him) culminated in his getting Superman/Batman cancelled when he totally refused to go along with editorial request that he write a follow-up story for his Superman crossover "Our Worlds at War" (as DC was retooling Superman/Batman to focus on the aftermath of their '00s crossovers) and got fired from the title mid-arc when he sent them instead a generic Superman/Batman versus alien story instead. Casey was promptly blacklisted from DC as a result, not that he cares it seems.

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* Joe Casey (one-fourth of Creator/ManOfActionStudios), who famously wrote a story complaining about how his fans prefer his mainstream friendly super-hero stuff that was continuity heavy and took back an apology he offered them when he realized that said apology's confession about him having a huge drug problem (and producing some of his worst work as a writer while on drugs), pretty much painted him in a bad light. His disillusionment (and fan disillusionment with him) culminated in his getting Superman/Batman cancelled when he totally refused to go along with editorial request that he write a follow-up story for his Superman crossover "Our Worlds at War" (as DC was retooling Superman/Batman to focus on the aftermath of their '00s crossovers) and got fired from the title mid-arc when he sent them instead a generic Superman/Batman versus alien story instead. Casey was promptly blacklisted from DC as a result, not that he cares it seems.result.



* Creator/JackKirby is known for many things, including being a creator of some of the greatest superhero stories and characters in both Creator/{{DC|Comics}} and Creator/{{Marvel|Comics}}, but also getting [[ScrewedByTheLawyers repeatedly screwed over by both]], from conflicts with Creator/StanLee and Marvel over credit and ownership to [[MagnumOpusDissonance his most ambitious works not seeing the immediate reverence and success]] that [[VindicatedByHistory audiences would look with in hindsight.]] While he never gave up comic books as a whole during his lifetime, [[TraumaCongaLine he did grow very weary of having to deal with frustrating industry politics]], spending his final years dabbling in animation and creator-owned comics. In the 1980s, he met future star cartoonist James Romberger during a New York convention, and after being impressed by his work gave this advice:

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* Creator/JackKirby is known for many things, including being a creator co-creator of some of the greatest superhero stories and characters in both Creator/{{DC|Comics}} and Creator/{{Marvel|Comics}}, but also getting [[ScrewedByTheLawyers repeatedly screwed over by both]], from conflicts with Creator/StanLee and Marvel over credit and ownership to [[MagnumOpusDissonance his most ambitious works not seeing the immediate reverence and success]] that [[VindicatedByHistory audiences would look with in hindsight.]] While he never gave up comic books as a whole during his lifetime, [[TraumaCongaLine he did grow very weary of having to deal with frustrating industry politics]], spending his final years dabbling in animation and creator-owned comics. In the 1980s, he met future star cartoonist James Romberger during a New York convention, and after being impressed by his work gave this advice:
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* Indie Canadian NoisePop duo Black Dresses (ostensibly) broke up due to a sudden NewbieBoom that they weren't comfortable receiving, leading to a public fiasco that they wanted even less. Their 2018 debut album, ''Wasteisolation'', went viral on [=TikTok=] in 2020 despite [[CreatorBreakdown the heavily personal lyrics dealing with much of their various traumas]]. Their discomfort at such personal material being casually circulated (especially among minors) ironically launched a campaign of fan harassment [[WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings that was eventually the cited reason for why they decided to disband]] (in their statement, Ada Rook particularly called out those [[NeverMyFault blaming the duo for putting said music in the world to begin with]], despite ''Wasteisolation'' being released independently without any prior audience and their later music being consciously less intimate). Strangely enough, the duo has very quietly released two albums in 2021 and 2022 under the Black Dresses name, but they continue to insist they have not reunited, presumably because they don't want to deal with headaches of dealing with a fandom they didn't want to begin with.
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* Creator/LindsayEllis retired from [=YouTube=] and content creation as a whole on the end of 2021, citing this and her increasingly confrontational viewerbase as to why. Ellis had very publicly held her earliest landmark work as WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick with [[OldShame contempt]] ever since she retired the title in 2014, having disliked Website/ChannelAwesome's management and [[CausticCritic the "criticism via angry ranting" format]] it helped propogate. However, with her venture into content under her own name coverage of more overtly political topics drew increasing controversy, with her subject to a massive targeted harassment campaign by alt-right sympathizers in 2019, and a tweet of her criticizing ''WesternAnimation/RayaAndTheLastDragon'' sparked up a similar smear campaign in 2021 that attempted to paint her as anti-Asian. In her announcement of retirement, she concluded that [[CelebrityIsOverrated being in the public eye was ultimately a losing game]] and that the most recent experiences convinced her she was "eminently expendable."

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* Creator/LindsayEllis retired from [=YouTube=] and content creation as a whole on the end of 2021, citing this and her increasingly confrontational viewerbase as to why. Ellis had very publicly held her earliest landmark work as WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick with [[OldShame contempt]] ever since she retired the title in 2014, having disliked Website/ChannelAwesome's management and [[CausticCritic the "criticism via angry ranting" format]] it helped propogate. However, with her venture into content under her own name name, her coverage of more overtly political topics drew increasing controversy, with her subject to a massive targeted harassment campaign by alt-right sympathizers in 2019, and a tweet of her criticizing ''WesternAnimation/RayaAndTheLastDragon'' sparked up a similar smear campaign in 2021 that attempted to paint her as anti-Asian. In her announcement of retirement, she concluded that [[CelebrityIsOverrated being in the public eye was ultimately a losing game]] and that the most recent experiences convinced her she was "eminently expendable."
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* Creator/LindsayEllis retired from [=YouTube=] and content creation as a whole on the end of 2021, citing this and her increasingly confrontational viewerbase as to why. Ellis had very publicly held her earliest landmark work as WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick with [[OldShame contempt]] ever since she retired the title in 2014, but her venture into content under her own name steadily attracted more controversy. Her coverage of more overtly political topics got her subject to a massive targeted harassment campaign by alt-right sympathizers in 2019, and a tweet of her criticizing ''WesternAnimation/RayaAndTheLastDragon'' sparked up a similar smear campaign in 2021 that attempted to paint her as anti-Asian. In her announcement of retirement, she concluded that [[CelebrityIsOverrated being in the public eye was ultimately a losing game]] and that the most recent experiences convinced her she was "eminently expendable."

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* Creator/LindsayEllis retired from [=YouTube=] and content creation as a whole on the end of 2021, citing this and her increasingly confrontational viewerbase as to why. Ellis had very publicly held her earliest landmark work as WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick with [[OldShame contempt]] ever since she retired the title in 2014, but having disliked Website/ChannelAwesome's management and [[CausticCritic the "criticism via angry ranting" format]] it helped propogate. However, with her venture into content under her own name steadily attracted more controversy. Her coverage of more overtly political topics got drew increasing controversy, with her subject to a massive targeted harassment campaign by alt-right sympathizers in 2019, and a tweet of her criticizing ''WesternAnimation/RayaAndTheLastDragon'' sparked up a similar smear campaign in 2021 that attempted to paint her as anti-Asian. In her announcement of retirement, she concluded that [[CelebrityIsOverrated being in the public eye was ultimately a losing game]] and that the most recent experiences convinced her she was "eminently expendable."
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* Creator/LindsayEllis retired from [=YouTube=] and content creation as a whole on the end of 2021, citing this and her increasingly confrontational viewerbase as to why. Ellis had very publicly held her earliest landmark work as WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick with [[OldShame contempt]] ever since she retired the title in 2014, but her venture into content under her own name steadily attracted more controversy. Her video essays over more overtly politcal topics got her subject to a massive targeted harassment campaign by alt-right sympathizers in 2019, and a tweet of her criticizing ''WesternAnimation/RayaAndTheLastDragon'' sparked up a similar smear campaign in 2021 that attempted to paint her as anti-Asian. In her announcement of retirement, she concluded that [[CelebrityIsOverrated being in the public eye was ultimately a losing game]] and that the most recent experiences convinced her she was "eminently expendable."

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* Creator/LindsayEllis retired from [=YouTube=] and content creation as a whole on the end of 2021, citing this and her increasingly confrontational viewerbase as to why. Ellis had very publicly held her earliest landmark work as WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick with [[OldShame contempt]] ever since she retired the title in 2014, but her venture into content under her own name steadily attracted more controversy. Her video essays over coverage of more overtly politcal political topics got her subject to a massive targeted harassment campaign by alt-right sympathizers in 2019, and a tweet of her criticizing ''WesternAnimation/RayaAndTheLastDragon'' sparked up a similar smear campaign in 2021 that attempted to paint her as anti-Asian. In her announcement of retirement, she concluded that [[CelebrityIsOverrated being in the public eye was ultimately a losing game]] and that the most recent experiences convinced her she was "eminently expendable."
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* Creator/LindsayEllis retired from [=YouTube=] and content creation as a whole on the end of 2021, citing this and her increasingly confrontational viewerbase as to why. Ellis had very publicly held her earliest landmark work as WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick with [[OldShame contempt]] ever since she retired the title in 2014, but her venture into content under her own name steadily attracted more controversy. Her video essays over more overtly politcal topics got her subject to a massive targeted harassment campaign by alt-right sympathizers in 2019, and a tweet of her criticizing ''WesternAnimation/RayaAndTheLastDragon'' sparked up a similar smear campaign that attempted to paint her as anti-Asian. In her announcement of retirement, she concluded that [[CelebrityIsOverrated being in the public eye was ultimately a losing game]] and that the most recent experiences convinced her she was "eminently expendable."

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* Creator/LindsayEllis retired from [=YouTube=] and content creation as a whole on the end of 2021, citing this and her increasingly confrontational viewerbase as to why. Ellis had very publicly held her earliest landmark work as WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick with [[OldShame contempt]] ever since she retired the title in 2014, but her venture into content under her own name steadily attracted more controversy. Her video essays over more overtly politcal topics got her subject to a massive targeted harassment campaign by alt-right sympathizers in 2019, and a tweet of her criticizing ''WesternAnimation/RayaAndTheLastDragon'' sparked up a similar smear campaign in 2021 that attempted to paint her as anti-Asian. In her announcement of retirement, she concluded that [[CelebrityIsOverrated being in the public eye was ultimately a losing game]] and that the most recent experiences convinced her she was "eminently expendable."
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* Creator/LindsayEllis retired from [=YouTube=] and content creation as a whole on the end of 2021, citing this and her increasingly confrontational viewerbase as to why. Earlier that year, she was subject to a massive targeted harassment campaign that construed [[HePannedItNowHeSucks a tweet of her criticizing]] ''WesternAnimation/RayaAndTheLastDragon'' to smear her as anti-Asian, which she would end up documenting and rebutting with the lengthy video essay [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7aWz8q_IM4 "Mask Off"]]. Combined with the fact this was only the latest mob she had to deal with (she was similarly targeted by hard/alt-right sympathizers in 2019 for her political comments), and especially given her [[OldShame longstanding shame]] towards [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick her earliest landmark work]], she eventually threw in the towel, declaring in her announcement "I know now that being in the public eye at all is a losing game, and I regret all of it", and that it convinced her she was "eminently expendable."

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* Creator/LindsayEllis retired from [=YouTube=] and content creation as a whole on the end of 2021, citing this and her increasingly confrontational viewerbase as to why. Earlier that year, Ellis had very publicly held her earliest landmark work as WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick with [[OldShame contempt]] ever since she was retired the title in 2014, but her venture into content under her own name steadily attracted more controversy. Her video essays over more overtly politcal topics got her subject to a massive targeted harassment campaign that construed [[HePannedItNowHeSucks by alt-right sympathizers in 2019, and a tweet of her criticizing]] criticizing ''WesternAnimation/RayaAndTheLastDragon'' to sparked up a similar smear campaign that attempted to paint her as anti-Asian, which she would end up documenting and rebutting with the lengthy video essay [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7aWz8q_IM4 "Mask Off"]]. Combined with the fact this was only the latest mob she had to deal with (she was similarly targeted by hard/alt-right sympathizers in 2019 for her political comments), and especially given her [[OldShame longstanding shame]] towards [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick her earliest landmark work]], she eventually threw in the towel, declaring in anti-Asian. In her announcement "I know now of retirement, she concluded that [[CelebrityIsOverrated being in the public eye at all is was ultimately a losing game, and I regret all of it", game]] and that it the most recent experiences convinced her she was "eminently expendable."
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* Creator/LindsayEllis retired from [=YouTube=] and content creation as a whole on the end of 2021, citing this and her increasingly confrontational viewerbase as to why. Earlier that year, she was subject to a massive targeted harassment campaign that construed [[HePannedItNowHeSucks a tweet of her criticizing]] ''WesternAnimation/RayaAndTheLastDragon'' to smear her as anti-Asian, which she would end up documenting and rebutting with the lengthy video essay [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7aWz8q_IM4 "Mask Off"]]. Combined with the fact this was only the latest mob she was targeted by, and especially given her [[OldShame longstanding shame]] towards [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick her earliest landmark work]], she eventually threw in the towel, declaring in her announcement "I know now that being in the public eye at all is a losing game, and I regret all of it", and that it convinced her she was [[ConvictedByPublicOpinion "eminently expendable."]]

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* Creator/LindsayEllis retired from [=YouTube=] and content creation as a whole on the end of 2021, citing this and her increasingly confrontational viewerbase as to why. Earlier that year, she was subject to a massive targeted harassment campaign that construed [[HePannedItNowHeSucks a tweet of her criticizing]] ''WesternAnimation/RayaAndTheLastDragon'' to smear her as anti-Asian, which she would end up documenting and rebutting with the lengthy video essay [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7aWz8q_IM4 "Mask Off"]]. Combined with the fact this was only the latest mob she had to deal with (she was similarly targeted by, by hard/alt-right sympathizers in 2019 for her political comments), and especially given her [[OldShame longstanding shame]] towards [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick her earliest landmark work]], she eventually threw in the towel, declaring in her announcement "I know now that being in the public eye at all is a losing game, and I regret all of it", and that it convinced her she was [[ConvictedByPublicOpinion "eminently expendable."]]"
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* Creator/LindsayEllis retired from [=YouTube=] and content creation as a whole on the end of 2021, citing this and her increasingly confrontational viewerbase as to why. Earlier that year, she was subject to a massive targeted harassment campaign that construed [[HePannedItNowHeSucks a tweet of her criticizing]] ''WesternAnimation/RayaAndTheLastDragon'' to smear her as anti-Asian, which she would end up documenting and rebutting with the lengthy video essay [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7aWz8q_IM4 "Mask Off"]]. Combined with the fact this was only the latest mob she was targeted by, and especially given her [[OldShame longstanding shame]] towards [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick her earliest landmark work]], she eventually threw in the towel, declaring in her announcement "I know now that being in the public eye at all is a losing game, and I regret all of it", and that it convinced her she was [[ConvictedByPublicOpinion "eminently expendable."]]

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