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19th Sep '17 11:23:42 PM SkidTroper
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Bear in mind, this site deals with tropes, and some of the historical-cultural context for why those tropes exist, and how they operate in given works. This is by nature a critical trope, and it is YMMV for a reason. It's not meant in any way to demonize/attack/excuse one religion or idea any better, and overall the aim is to present a small summary WartsAndAll.

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Bear in mind, this site deals with tropes, and some of the historical-cultural context for why those tropes exist, and how they operate in given works. This is by nature a critical trope, and it is YMMV for a reason. It's not meant in any way to demonize/attack/excuse one religion or idea any better, and overall the aim is to present a small summary WartsAndAll.



In the Anglosphere's modern history (as well as the internet's), Christianity is arguably the most mocked religion in mainstream media (this is not without precedent; on this very wiki alone [[UpToEleven Christianity has its own folder on this page while no other religion does]] and Literature/{{the Bible}}'s page had to be Administrivia/{{locked|Pages}} against edits due to disproportionate amount of edit wars and flame wars it was subject to; a measure as yet unnecessary for the tropes pages of other religious texts such as the Qu'ran). The basic truth is that Christianity, in all its sects, is the world's major and leading religion, it is the dominant religious tradition in the Western nations and Western nations have a disproportionate hold on the global media, so Christianity's [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement perceived negatives]] at times get over-represented or exaggerated. Likewise, Christianity did not become the world's leading religion by accident. As [[UsefulNotes/ThePope Pope John Paul II]] [[http://www.nostreradici.it/forgiveness.htm himself noted]] in a 2000 prayer seeking forgiveness: ''Christians have often denied the Gospel; yielding to a mentality of power, they have violated the rights of ethnic groups and peoples, and shown contempt for their cultures and religious traditions: be patient and merciful towards us, and grant us your forgiveness!'' A lot of these actions were criticized [[InternalReformist even by Christians]] in the past, and there are parts of Church history, most modern Christians, regardless of the sect, [[OldShame are not proud of]]. Christianity being a large diverse religion has also been involved in several questionable policies and events over the centuries (such as UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition). It is often criticized among other religious groups for its missionary activities, wars it has waged among various sects, its role in suppression and hijacking of pagan rituals and persecuting other religions, which it must be stated is not exclusive to Christian or Abrahamic faiths, instances are common among all religions.

In Eastern nations, in former colonies, Christianity may be a minority but on account of missionary activities it has greatly impacted the education and cultural life of the elites, which has nonetheless kept Christian tradition and its roles, positive and negative, in public memory. The political and cultural revolutions on behalf of freedom of speech in France, England, United States, Italy, Germany has rested on the separation of the Church and State, and this has led to Christianity in the position of the DesignatedVillain in many anti-censorship fights in the Western World, which thanks to colonialism and imperialism, has made this PopCulturalOsmosis for the entire world. Christianity was perceived, and resented for being MoralGuardians on account of its historical association with censorship (the Vatican Index, Galileo, Darwin), its lack of permissiveness and anti-LGBT policies. A lot of this is true for all religions (for instance general prudishness, censorship, homophobia exist even among Buddhists and even the Roman pagans were pretty uptight about other issues) but since Christianity has been historically the religion with the greatest political and historical clout, and since those fights were ultimately ''won'' against them, it more or less became...um...[[LamePun their cross to bear]].

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In the Anglosphere's modern history (as well as the internet's), Christianity is arguably the most mocked religion in mainstream media (this is not without precedent; on this very wiki alone [[UpToEleven Christianity has its own folder on this page while no other religion does]] and Literature/{{the Bible}}'s page had to be Administrivia/{{locked|Pages}} against edits due to disproportionate amount of edit wars and flame wars it was subject to; a measure as yet unnecessary for the tropes pages of other religious texts such as the Qu'ran). The basic truth is that Christianity, in all its sects, is the world's major and leading religion, it is the dominant religious tradition in the Western nations and Western nations have a disproportionate hold on the global media, so Christianity's [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement perceived negatives]] at times get over-represented or exaggerated. Likewise, Christianity did not become the world's leading religion by accident. As [[UsefulNotes/ThePope Pope John Paul II]] [[http://www.nostreradici.it/forgiveness.htm himself noted]] in a 2000 prayer seeking forgiveness: forgiveness for the dark parts of Church history: ''Christians have often denied the Gospel; yielding to a mentality of power, they have violated the rights of ethnic groups and peoples, and shown contempt for their cultures and religious traditions: be patient and merciful towards us, and grant us your forgiveness!'' A lot of these actions were criticized [[InternalReformist even by Christians]] in the past, and there are parts of Church history, most modern Christians, regardless of the sect, [[OldShame are not proud of]]. of]]. Christianity being a large diverse religion has also been involved in several questionable policies and events over the centuries (such as UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition). It is often criticized among other religious groups for its missionary activities, wars it has waged among various sects, its role in suppression and hijacking of pagan rituals and persecuting other religions, which it must be stated is not exclusive to Christian or Abrahamic faiths, instances are common among all religions.

In Eastern nations, in former colonies, Christianity may be a minority but on account of missionary activities it has greatly impacted the education and cultural life of the elites, which has nonetheless kept Christian tradition and its roles, positive and negative, in public memory. The political and cultural revolutions on behalf of freedom of speech in France, England, United States, Italy, Germany has rested on the separation of the Church and State, and this has led to Christianity in the position of the DesignatedVillain in many anti-censorship fights in the Western World, which thanks to colonialism and imperialism, has made this PopCulturalOsmosis for the entire world. Christianity was perceived, and resented for being MoralGuardians on account of its historical association with censorship (the Vatican Index, Galileo, Darwin), its lack of permissiveness and anti-LGBT policies. A lot of this is true for all religions (for instance general prudishness, censorship, homophobia exist even among Buddhists and even the Roman pagans were pretty uptight about other issues) but since Christianity has been historically the religion with the greatest political and historical clout, and since those fights were ultimately ''won'' against them, ''won'', it more or less became...um...[[LamePun their Christians' cross to bear]].
27th Aug '17 10:46:49 AM Fireblood
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* Subverted so far in ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'' fanfic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12489955/1/Hanks-Orthodoxy Hank's Orthodoxy]] with [[spoiler:Enrique of all character having a hatred of Eastern Orthodoxy due to the fact [[FreudianExcuse his father and brother were (and possibly still are) devoted Eastern Orthodox Christians and bullies attacking him for being Mexican]]]], And he hatred is on Hank's recent conversion to Eastern Orthodoxy was due of [[DeathOfTheOldGods Christianity is dying in America]] and Protestantism isn't helping of keeping the religion alive not for full spiritual quest of what is definition of being Christian.

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* Subverted so far in ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'' fanfic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12489955/1/Hanks-Orthodoxy Hank's Orthodoxy]] with [[spoiler:Enrique of all character having a hatred of Eastern Orthodoxy due to the fact [[FreudianExcuse his father and brother were (and possibly still are) devoted Eastern Orthodox Christians and bullies attacking him for being Mexican]]]], And he Mexican]]]]. His hatred is on of Hank's recent conversion to Eastern Orthodoxy was due of because [[DeathOfTheOldGods Christianity is dying in America]] and Protestantism isn't helping of keeping to keep the religion alive not for full nor fulfill the spiritual quest of to what is definition of being it means to be a Christian.
26th Aug '17 4:05:40 PM Franco-America2018
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'''[[UsefultNotes/OrthodoxChristianity Eastern/Oriental Orthodoxies]]''':

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'''[[UsefultNotes/OrthodoxChristianity '''[[UsefulNotes/OrthodoxChristianity Eastern/Oriental Orthodoxies]]''':
26th Aug '17 3:24:25 PM Franco-America2018
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* Double Subverted so far in ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'' fanfic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12489955/1/Hanks-Orthodoxy Hank's Orthodoxy]] with [[spoiler:Enrique of all character having a hatred of Eastern Orthodoxy due to the fact [[FreudianExcuse his father and brother were (and possibly still are) devoted Eastern Orthodox Christians and bullies attacking him for being Mexican]]]], And he hatred is on Hank's recent conversion to Eastern Orthodoxy was due of [[DeathOfTheOldGods Christianity is dying in America]] and Protestantism isn't helping of keeping the religion alive not for full spiritual quest of what is definition of being Christian.

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* Double Subverted so far in ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'' fanfic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12489955/1/Hanks-Orthodoxy Hank's Orthodoxy]] with [[spoiler:Enrique of all character having a hatred of Eastern Orthodoxy due to the fact [[FreudianExcuse his father and brother were (and possibly still are) devoted Eastern Orthodox Christians and bullies attacking him for being Mexican]]]], And he hatred is on Hank's recent conversion to Eastern Orthodoxy was due of [[DeathOfTheOldGods Christianity is dying in America]] and Protestantism isn't helping of keeping the religion alive not for full spiritual quest of what is definition of being Christian.
26th Aug '17 3:21:23 PM Franco-America2018
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* Double Subverted so far in ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'' fanfic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12489955/1/Hanks-Orthodoxy Hank's Orthodoxy]] with [[spoiler:Enrique of all character having a hatred of Eastern Orthodoxy due to the fact his father and brother were (and possibly still are) devoted Eastern Orthodox Christians and bullies attacking him for being Mexican]].

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* Double Subverted so far in ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'' fanfic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12489955/1/Hanks-Orthodoxy Hank's Orthodoxy]] with [[spoiler:Enrique of all character having a hatred of Eastern Orthodoxy due to the fact [[FreudianExcuse his father and brother were (and possibly still are) devoted Eastern Orthodox Christians and bullies attacking him for being Mexican]].
Mexican]]]], And he hatred is on Hank's recent conversion to Eastern Orthodoxy was due of [[DeathOfTheOldGods Christianity is dying in America]] and Protestantism isn't helping of keeping the religion alive not for full spiritual quest of what is definition of being Christian.
26th Aug '17 11:24:08 AM Fireblood
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There two versions of Christian Orthodoxy (First was Eastern Orthodoxy which accepts Seven Councils up to Council of Chalcedonian prior to 1054 while Oriental Orthodoxy[[note]]well least majority of them[[/note]] accepts Three Councils up to Council of Ephesus with having the different theology than others.)

Eastern Orthodoxy is like a more radical brother of Roman Catholicism in historical sense due connections as used part of Chalcedonian Christianity until their Great Schism[[note]]Which is Patirach of Constantinople had enough with Papacy and split the denomination into two with renaming the Patirach of Constantinople into Ecumenical Patirach of Constantinople[[/note]] cause them permanently split and still is to this day and considers as Ethino-religion for most all Eastern Europeans like Greeks or Russians[[note]]while was part of Russian culture until the 20th century with the Soviet Union as demoted into [[EvilReactionary evil religious people what hates Communism]][[/note]].

Their appearances for their spiritual leaders and clergy is like normal Catholic priest/nun except several major differences that for men they have the option to grow beard and for main priests wears all completely black except for sometimes have food chief-like white hat with Orthodox cross in center to presents high power of denomination and their Patriarchs look like Pope but have more with Byzantine-style attire or others have own depending what culture like Russian Patriarch will have almost Russian-style and for women/nuns they look like majority unchanged from Catholic nun except they are ''pure black'' with Orthodox cross on their forehead.

Oriental Orthodoxy is completely foreign denomination for westerners that it's only known as Copts, Armenians, West Middle Easterns, small portion of Indians, and Ethiopians main (except latter two half) religion that their holy leaders have the similar dress as Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism except their hats are have weird designs that resemble inflated cake and they don't share same beliefs with mainstream Western Christian and couple Eastern Christian denominations[[note]]they believe in Miaphysitism where Christ is one incarnate nature that is both human and divine[[/note]].

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There are two versions of Christian Orthodoxy (First (the first was Eastern Orthodoxy Orthodoxy, which accepts Seven Councils up to the Council of Chalcedonian prior to 1054 while Oriental Orthodoxy[[note]]well Orthodoxy[[note]]At least the majority of them[[/note]] accepts Three Councils up to the Council of Ephesus Ephesus, with each of them having the different theology than from the others.)

Eastern Orthodoxy is like a more radical brother of Roman Catholicism in a historical sense due to connections they had as used part of Chalcedonian Christianity until their Great Schism[[note]]Which is Patirach when the Patriarch of Constantinople had enough with the Papacy and split the denomination into two with two, renaming the Patirach Patriarch of Constantinople into to Ecumenical Patirach Patriarch of Constantinople[[/note]] cause Constantinople.[[/note]] caused them to permanently split and still is to this day and considers considered as Ethino-religion an ethnoreligion for most all Eastern Europeans like Greeks or Russians[[note]]while Russians.[[note]]While it was part of Russian culture until the 20th century with century, when the Soviet Union as demoted into it to [[EvilReactionary evil religious people what hates Communism]][[/note]].

Their appearances
who hate Communism]].[[/note]]

The appearance
for their spiritual leaders and clergy is like normal Catholic priest/nun priests/nuns except several for the major differences that for men they have the option to grow beard beards and for main the regular priests wears wear all completely black except for sometimes have food chief-like having a chef-like white hat with the Orthodox cross in the center to presents present the high power of denomination and their the denomination. Their Patriarchs look like the Pope but have a more with Byzantine-style attire or others have their own depending what culture like on the culture, such as Russian Patriarch will have having almost Russian-style a Russian style, and for women/nuns they look like majority largely unchanged from Catholic nun except they their habits are ''pure black'' with the Orthodox cross on their forehead.

Oriental Orthodoxy is a completely foreign denomination for westerners that it's Westerners. It's only known as the Copts, Armenians, West Middle Easterns, Easterners, a small portion of Indians, Indians and Ethiopians main (except latter two half) religion that their religion. Their holy leaders have the similar dress as to Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism except their hats are have weird designs that resemble inflated cake cakes and they don't share the same beliefs with mainstream Western Christian and a couple Eastern Christian denominations[[note]]they denominations.[[note]]They believe in Miaphysitism where Christ is one incarnate nature that is both human and divine[[/note]].
divine. However, Chalcedonian Christians have stated they find this view compatible with theirs, in contrast to the Monophysitism of other Oriental Orthodox Christians, positing that Christ had only one nature, a divine or largely divine one.[[/note]]



* Double Subverted so far in ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'' fanfic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12489955/1/Hanks-Orthodoxy Hank's Orthodoxy]] with [[spoiler:Enrique of all character has hatred of Eastern Orthodoxy due of his Father and brother are (and possibly still devoted Eastern Orthodox christians) and bullies attackin him for being Mexican]].

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* Double Subverted so far in ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'' fanfic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12489955/1/Hanks-Orthodoxy Hank's Orthodoxy]] with [[spoiler:Enrique of all character has having a hatred of Eastern Orthodoxy due of to the fact his Father father and brother are were (and possibly still are) devoted Eastern Orthodox christians) Christians and bullies attackin attacking him for being Mexican]].



* Historically the Soviet Union was antagonistic towards Russian Orthodox Church, seeing it as a tool of oppression ("the opiate of the masses"). This makes Russian Orthodox priests are depicted as being against the revolution and antagonistic to the workers in Soviet films such as ''Film/{{Earth}}'' and ''Film/TheBattleshipPotemkin''.

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* Historically the Soviet Union was antagonistic towards the Russian Orthodox Church, seeing it as a tool of oppression ("the opiate of the masses"). This makes means Russian Orthodox priests are depicted as being against the revolution and antagonistic to the workers in Soviet films such as ''Film/{{Earth}}'' and ''Film/TheBattleshipPotemkin''.
25th Aug '17 9:12:37 PM Franco-America2018
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Eastern Orthodoxy is like a more radical brother of Roman Catholicism in historical sense due connections as used part of Chalcedonian Christianity until their Great Schism[[note]]Which is Patirach of Constantinople had enough with Papacy and split the denomination into two with renaming the Patirach of Constantinople into Ecumenical Patirach of Constantinople[[/note]] cause them permanently split and still is to this day and considers as Ethino-religion for most all Eastern Europeans like Greeks or Russians[[note]]while was part of Russian culture until the 20th century with the Soviet Union as demoted into [[EvilReactionary evil religious people what hates Communism[[/note]].

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Eastern Orthodoxy is like a more radical brother of Roman Catholicism in historical sense due connections as used part of Chalcedonian Christianity until their Great Schism[[note]]Which is Patirach of Constantinople had enough with Papacy and split the denomination into two with renaming the Patirach of Constantinople into Ecumenical Patirach of Constantinople[[/note]] cause them permanently split and still is to this day and considers as Ethino-religion for most all Eastern Europeans like Greeks or Russians[[note]]while was part of Russian culture until the 20th century with the Soviet Union as demoted into [[EvilReactionary evil religious people what hates Communism[[/note]].
Communism]][[/note]].
25th Aug '17 8:41:23 PM Franco-America2018
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Oriental Orthodoxy is completely foreign denomination for westerners that it's only known as Copts, Armenians, West Middle Easterns, Southern Indian, and Ethiopian main (except latter two half) religion that their holy leaders have the similar dress as Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism except their hats are have weird designs that resemble inflated cake and they don't share same beliefs with mainstream Western Christian and couple Eastern Christian denominations[[note]]they believe in Miaphysitism where Christ is one incarnate nature that is both human and divine[[/note]].

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Oriental Orthodoxy is completely foreign denomination for westerners that it's only known as Copts, Armenians, West Middle Easterns, Southern Indian, small portion of Indians, and Ethiopian Ethiopians main (except latter two half) religion that their holy leaders have the similar dress as Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism except their hats are have weird designs that resemble inflated cake and they don't share same beliefs with mainstream Western Christian and couple Eastern Christian denominations[[note]]they believe in Miaphysitism where Christ is one incarnate nature that is both human and divine[[/note]].



* Double Subverted so far in ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'' fanfic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12489955/1/Hanks-Orthodoxy Hank's Orthodoxy]] with [[spoiler:Enrique of all character has hatred of Eastern Orthodoxy due of his Father and brother are (and possibly still devoted Eastern Orthodox christians]]

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* Double Subverted so far in ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'' fanfic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12489955/1/Hanks-Orthodoxy Hank's Orthodoxy]] with [[spoiler:Enrique of all character has hatred of Eastern Orthodoxy due of his Father and brother are (and possibly still devoted Eastern Orthodox christians]]
christians) and bullies attackin him for being Mexican]].
25th Aug '17 8:39:38 PM Franco-America2018
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Their appearances for their spiritual leaders and clergy is like normal Catholic priest/nun except several major differences that for men they have the option to grow beard and for main priests wears all completely black except for sometimes have white hat with Orthodox cross in center to presents high power of denomination with their Patirach look like Pope but have more with Byzantine-style attire and for women/nuns they look like majority unchanged from Catholic nun except they are ''pure black'' with Orthodox cross on their forehead.

Oriental Orthodoxy is completely foreign denomination for westerners that it's only known as Copts, Armenians, West Middle Easterns, and Ethiopian main (except latter half) religion that their holy leaders have the similar dress as Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism except their hats are have weird designs that resemble inflated cake and they don't share same beliefs with mainstream Western Christian and couple Eastern Christian denominations[[note]]they believe in Miaphysitism where Christ is one incarnate nature that is both human and divine[[/note]].

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Their appearances for their spiritual leaders and clergy is like normal Catholic priest/nun except several major differences that for men they have the option to grow beard and for main priests wears all completely black except for sometimes have food chief-like white hat with Orthodox cross in center to presents high power of denomination with and their Patirach Patriarchs look like Pope but have more with Byzantine-style attire or others have own depending what culture like Russian Patriarch will have almost Russian-style and for women/nuns they look like majority unchanged from Catholic nun except they are ''pure black'' with Orthodox cross on their forehead.

Oriental Orthodoxy is completely foreign denomination for westerners that it's only known as Copts, Armenians, West Middle Easterns, Southern Indian, and Ethiopian main (except latter two half) religion that their holy leaders have the similar dress as Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism except their hats are have weird designs that resemble inflated cake and they don't share same beliefs with mainstream Western Christian and couple Eastern Christian denominations[[note]]they believe in Miaphysitism where Christ is one incarnate nature that is both human and divine[[/note]].



* Double Subverted so far in ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'' fanfic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12489955/1/Hanks-Orthodoxy Hank's Orthodoxy]] with [[spolier: Enrique of all character has hatred of Eastern Orthodoxy due of his Father and brother are (and possibly still devoted Eastern Orthodox christians]]

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* Double Subverted so far in ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'' fanfic [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12489955/1/Hanks-Orthodoxy Hank's Orthodoxy]] with [[spolier: Enrique [[spoiler:Enrique of all character has hatred of Eastern Orthodoxy due of his Father and brother are (and possibly still devoted Eastern Orthodox christians]]



* Historically the Soviet Union was antagonistic towards Russian Orthodox Church, seeing it as a tool of oppression ("the opiate of the masses"). This make Russian Orthodox priests are depicted as being against the revolution and antagonistic to the workers in Soviet films such as ''Film/{{Earth}}'' and ''Film/TheBattleshipPotemkin''.

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* Historically the Soviet Union was antagonistic towards Russian Orthodox Church, seeing it as a tool of oppression ("the opiate of the masses"). This make makes Russian Orthodox priests are depicted as being against the revolution and antagonistic to the workers in Soviet films such as ''Film/{{Earth}}'' and ''Film/TheBattleshipPotemkin''.
25th Aug '17 8:33:09 PM Franco-America2018
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Their appearance is like normal Catholic priest except several major differences that for men they have the option to grow beard and for main priests wears all completely black except for sometimes have white hat with Orthodox cross in center.

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Their appearance appearances for their spiritual leaders and clergy is like normal Catholic priest priest/nun except several major differences that for men they have the option to grow beard and for main priests wears all completely black except for sometimes have white hat with Orthodox cross in center.
center to presents high power of denomination with their Patirach look like Pope but have more with Byzantine-style attire and for women/nuns they look like majority unchanged from Catholic nun except they are ''pure black'' with Orthodox cross on their forehead.
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