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15th Nov '16 8:53:18 PM MAI742
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In modern history, Christianity is arguably the most mocked religion in mainstream media (this is not without precedent; on this very wiki alone [[UpToEleven Christianity has its own folder on this page while no other religion does]] and Literature/{{the Bible}}'s page had to be Administrivia/{{locked|Pages}} against edits due to disproportionate amount of edit wars and flame wars it was subject to, a measure unnecessary for the tropes pages of other religious texts such as the Qu'ran). The basic truth is that Christianity, in all its sects, is the world's major and leading religion, it is the dominant religious tradition in the Western nations and Western nations have a disproportionate hold on the global media, so Christianity's [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement perceived negatives]] at times get over-represented or exaggerated.

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In the Anglosphere's modern history, Christianity is arguably the most mocked religion in mainstream media (this is not without precedent; on this very wiki alone [[UpToEleven Christianity has its own folder on this page while no other religion does]] and Literature/{{the Bible}}'s page had to be Administrivia/{{locked|Pages}} against edits due to disproportionate amount of edit wars and flame wars it was subject to, a measure unnecessary for the tropes pages of other religious texts such as the Qu'ran). The basic truth is that Christianity, in all its sects, is the world's major and leading religion, it is the dominant religious tradition in the Western nations and Western nations have a disproportionate hold on the global media, so Christianity's [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement perceived negatives]] at times get over-represented or exaggerated.
26th Oct '16 5:51:55 PM Fireblood
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Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists and (non-evangelical) Baptists (if they're not feuding) and their splinter groups are often times depicted as bland and interchangeable, assuming they're not TheFundamentalist. Expect tiny churches, beige decor, lots of small-town gossip, big zany hats, rehashing of generic WASP stereotypes...and less emphasis on actual religion than on squeaky-clean socializing, usually involving a carnival (not necessarily [[CrappyCarnival a crappy one]], but pretty boring in either case), a picnic (with men wearing straw hats and ladies playing croquet if a work is set in the GayNineties) or a potluck supper organized by lodge brothers in those funny "Turkish" hats; watch vintage live-action Disney movies or "family" films from the 1950s or '60s if you want to see these stereotypes in action. African American churches are considered somewhat exempt because of their role in the civil rights movement and for being less "vanilla" than Protestants of other races (although there ''are'' some very staid, and even stern, black Protestant churches out there), but they might still be chewed out on some of the more contentious issues (homophobia, gossip, phony faith healing, etc..) ; expect a loud, joyous, clapping choir, a flamboyant preacher, audience participation so involved people are fainting in the aisles...and even bigger, zanier hats. And while there are plenty of American Indian, Pacific Islander, and Asian (usually Hong Kong, Korean or Burmese) Protestants out there, don't expect to see them in media unless a work is aiming for a realistic portrayal of Protestantism.

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Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists and (non-evangelical) Baptists (if they're not feuding) and their splinter groups are often times depicted as bland and interchangeable, assuming they're not TheFundamentalist. Expect tiny churches, beige decor, lots of small-town gossip, big zany hats, rehashing of generic WASP stereotypes...and less emphasis on actual religion than on squeaky-clean socializing, usually involving a carnival (not necessarily [[CrappyCarnival a crappy one]], but pretty boring in either case), a picnic (with men wearing straw hats and ladies playing croquet if a work is set in the GayNineties) or a potluck supper organized by lodge brothers in those funny "Turkish" hats; watch vintage live-action Disney movies or "family" films from the 1950s or '60s if you want to see these stereotypes in action. African American churches are considered somewhat exempt because of their role in the civil rights movement and for being less "vanilla" than Protestants of other races (although there ''are'' some very staid, and even stern, black Protestant churches out there), but they might still be chewed out on some of the more contentious issues (homophobia, gossip, phony faith healing, etc..) ; expect a loud, joyous, clapping choir, a flamboyant preacher, audience participation so involved people are fainting in the aisles...and even bigger, zanier hats. And while there are plenty of American Indian, Pacific Islander, and Asian (usually Hong Kong, Kongese, Korean or Burmese) Protestants out there, don't expect to see them in media unless a work is aiming for a realistic portrayal of Protestantism.
26th Oct '16 4:13:10 AM Mhazard
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Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists and (non-evangelical) Baptists (if they're not feuding) and their splinter groups are often times depicted as bland and interchangeable, assuming they're not TheFundamentalist. Expect tiny churches, beige decor, lots of small-town gossip, big zany hats, rehashing of generic WASP stereotypes...and less emphasis on actual religion than on squeaky-clean socializing, usually involving a carnival (not necessarily [[CrappyCarnival a crappy one]], but pretty boring in either case), a picnic (with men wearing straw hats and ladies playing croquet if a work is set in the GayNineties) or a potluck supper organized by lodge brothers in those funny "Turkish" hats; watch vintage live-action Disney movies or "family" films from the 1950s or '60s if you want to see these stereotypes in action. African American churches are considered somewhat exempt because of their role in the civil rights movement and for being less "vanilla" than Protestants of other races (although there ''are'' some very staid, and even stern, black Protestant churches out there), but they might still be chewed out on some of the more contentious issues (homophobia, gossip, phony faith healing, etc..) ; expect a loud, joyous, clapping choir, a flamboyant preacher, audience participation so involved people are fainting in the aisles...and even bigger, zanier hats. And while there are plenty of American Indian, Pacific Islander, and Asian (usually Korean or Burmese) Protestants out there, don't expect to see them in media unless a work is aiming for a realistic portrayal of Protestantism.

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Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists and (non-evangelical) Baptists (if they're not feuding) and their splinter groups are often times depicted as bland and interchangeable, assuming they're not TheFundamentalist. Expect tiny churches, beige decor, lots of small-town gossip, big zany hats, rehashing of generic WASP stereotypes...and less emphasis on actual religion than on squeaky-clean socializing, usually involving a carnival (not necessarily [[CrappyCarnival a crappy one]], but pretty boring in either case), a picnic (with men wearing straw hats and ladies playing croquet if a work is set in the GayNineties) or a potluck supper organized by lodge brothers in those funny "Turkish" hats; watch vintage live-action Disney movies or "family" films from the 1950s or '60s if you want to see these stereotypes in action. African American churches are considered somewhat exempt because of their role in the civil rights movement and for being less "vanilla" than Protestants of other races (although there ''are'' some very staid, and even stern, black Protestant churches out there), but they might still be chewed out on some of the more contentious issues (homophobia, gossip, phony faith healing, etc..) ; expect a loud, joyous, clapping choir, a flamboyant preacher, audience participation so involved people are fainting in the aisles...and even bigger, zanier hats. And while there are plenty of American Indian, Pacific Islander, and Asian (usually Hong Kong, Korean or Burmese) Protestants out there, don't expect to see them in media unless a work is aiming for a realistic portrayal of Protestantism.
16th Sep '16 9:55:52 AM Gillimer
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* An obscure stage musical called ''Crowns'' is entirely centered around Black church ladies and their flamboyant hats.

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* An obscure stage musical called ''Crowns'' is entirely centered around Black church ladies and their flamboyant hats.
hats. Inspired by a coffee-table photo book of the same title
13th Sep '16 7:12:42 PM Fireblood
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** On Mormons allegedly ''"scouring the globe for women to kidnap and imprison as sex slaves in their temples"'', the only reported case went in entirely the opposite direction and gave everyone in Britain (and beyond) [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale a huge laugh.]] The Joyce [=McKinney=] story is ''here'': [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_sex_in_chains_case Mormon in manacles case]]

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** On Mormons allegedly ''"scouring the globe for women to kidnap and imprison as sex slaves in their temples"'', the only reported case went in entirely the opposite direction and gave everyone in Britain (and beyond) [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale a huge laugh.]] The Joyce [=McKinney=] story is ''here'': [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_sex_in_chains_case the Mormon in manacles case]]case]].



** It would be an interesting piece of doublethink to consider them common-law marriages, when a) common-law marriages are only considered valid in Utah under certain circumstances which don't seem to exist here, and b) the fact that he's still married to Wife #1 means that all subsequent marriages are null and void legally speaking anyway, and the subsequent "wives" are fully aware of this. Bigamy is generally treated as a specific type of fraud, and everyone involved here appears to know exactly what's going on.



** Any actual Jew will probably fall victim to several of these at the same time, including the ones that contradict each other. The same person can be a bleeding-heart to a Southerner and a blood-drinking Zionazi to a San Franciscan.

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** Any actual Jew will probably fall victim to several of these at the same time, including the ones that contradict each other. The same person can be a bleeding-heart liberal to a Southerner and a blood-drinking Zionazi to a San Franciscan.



*** Made even more complicated by the fact that there are quite a few legitimate anti-semites that attack Israel because it's populated by Jews, rather than any actual concern for Israel's policies.

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*** Made ** This gets made even more complicated by the fact that there are quite a few legitimate anti-semites antisemites that attack Israel because it's populated by Jews, rather than any actual concern for Israel's policies.policies. Criticism of Israel often gets accused o being merely cover for this, or a {{double standard}} compared to countries with much worse human rights records.



** As an example, he mentions that he could make a perfect Muslim joke which would fall flat since most of the audience to his gigs wouldn't get it, and mentions something about a golden horse that comes over a hill once a year delivering cake to children as an off-the-cuff example. He then apologises to any Muslim members of the audience, who are presumably at that point wondering what on earth he's talking about with this golden horse nonsense.

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** As an example, he mentions that he could make a perfect Muslim joke which would fall flat since most of the audience to his gigs wouldn't get it, and mentions something about a golden horse that comes over a hill once a year delivering cake to children as an off-the-cuff example. He then apologises apologizes to any Muslim members of the audience, who are presumably at that point wondering what on earth he's talking about with this golden horse nonsense.



** Conglomeration: All of these things are true. Satan in the old testament and Jewish belief went from a word that was used to describe someone (anyone) as an "adversary" of some sort. It also can mean "accuser", so in later texts the word was used as a generic title for angels of YHVH's court who at that time happened to be accusing someone of something and provoking YHVH to test them. Much later, shortly before Jesus and Christianity came about, the Jews required that YHVH have a powerful enemy to explain why he had been unable to save them from foreign dominion yet, it was then that they decided that the angels described as "the satan" were a single character, and that Satan was a proper name, and found that previous scriptures that appear to be referring to something entirely different were actually describing Satan's banishment and fall from heaven, thus setting him up as a great power against YHVH.

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** Conglomeration: All all of these things are true. Satan in the old testament and Jewish belief went from a word that was used to describe someone (anyone) as an "adversary" of some sort. It also can mean "accuser", so in later texts the word was used as a generic title for angels of YHVH's court who at that time happened to be accusing someone of something and provoking YHVH to test them. Much later, shortly before Jesus and Christianity came about, the Jews required that YHVH have a powerful enemy to explain why he had been unable to save them from foreign dominion yet, it was then that they decided that the angels described as "the satan" were a single character, and that Satan was a proper name, and found that previous scriptures that appear to be referring to something entirely different were actually describing Satan's banishment and fall from heaven, thus setting him up as a great power against YHVH.



* Deconstructed in the British [[BlackComedy comedy]] ''Film/FourLions'', which pokes fun at a group of five Muslim suicide bombers who can't quite decide what to blow up. However, most of the Lions aren't actually that religious. Omar, for example, is shown to have a pretty liberal relationship with his wife, who doesn't even wear hijab except at work. One is so out of touch with his own religion that he learns about it from a children's book called "Camel Goes To The Mosque". It's heavily implied the Lions are glory-seekers rather than actual believers. The only true fundamentalist amongst their numbers is Barry, the white, working-class Muslim convert. Because of this, the person eventually blamed for the terrorist incident is Omar's brother, who is highly fundamentalist (he has a harem and refuses to enter the same room as a woman) but peace-loving, nonviolent, and completely harmless-in fact, he's shown trying to persuade Omar that his plan is forbidden by Islam.

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* Deconstructed in the British [[BlackComedy comedy]] ''Film/FourLions'', which pokes fun at a group of five Muslim suicide bombers who can't quite decide what to blow up. However, most of the Lions aren't actually that religious. Omar, for example, is shown to have a pretty liberal relationship with his wife, who doesn't even wear hijab except at work. One is so out of touch with his own religion that he learns about it from a children's book called "Camel Goes To The Mosque". It's heavily implied the Lions are glory-seekers rather than actual believers. The only true fundamentalist amongst their numbers among them is Barry, the white, working-class Muslim convert. Because of this, the person eventually blamed for the terrorist incident is Omar's brother, who is highly fundamentalist (he has a harem and refuses to enter the same room as a woman) but peace-loving, nonviolent, and completely harmless-in fact, he's shown trying to persuade Omar that his plan is forbidden by Islam.
13th Sep '16 6:51:20 PM Fireblood
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In modern history, Christianity is arguably the most mocked religion in mainstream media (this is not without precedent; on this very wiki alone [[UpToEleven Christianity has its own folder on this page while no other religion does]] and Literature/{{the Bible}}'s page had to be Administrivia/{{locked|Pages}} against edits due to disproportionate amount of edit wars and flame wars it was subject to, a measure unnecessary for the tropes pages of other religious texts such as the Qu'ran). The basic truth is that Christianity, in all its sects, is the World's major and leading religion, it is the dominant religious tradition in the Western nations and Western nations have a disproportionate hold on the global media, so Christianity's [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement perceived negatives]] at times get over-represented or exaggerated.

In Eastern Nations, in former colonies, Christianity may be a minority but on account of missionary activities it has greatly impacted the Education and Cultural life of the elites, which has nonetheless kept Christian tradition and its roles, positive and negative, in public memory. The political and cultural revolutions on behalf of freedom of speech in France, England, United States, Italy, Germany has rested on the separation of the Church and State, and this has led to Christianity in the position of the DesignatedVillain in many anti-censorship fights in the Western World due to incidents such the treatment of Charles Darwin. Christianity is still greatly perceived, and resented for being MoralGuardians, though this is not limited to Christianity. This also ties to the tendency for Christianity to be singled out as ''the'' target religion for expressions and media portrayals of anti-religious sentiment, [[DoubleStandard even if the grievance in question leveled against Christianity can be found outside it (such the LBGT movement, where Christianity was more antagonistically portrayed and criticized for its stance on homosexuality than Judaism or Islam, despite the three faiths and their Scriptures sharing a stance on homosexuality]]).

Christianity being a large diverse religion has also been involved in several questionable policies and events over the centuries (UsefulNotes/TheCrusades [[note]] though there was just as much if not more involvement from Islam [[/note]], UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition). It is often criticized among other religious groups for its missionary activities, wars it has waged among various sects, its role in suppression and hijacking of pagan rituals and persecuting other religions, which it must be stated is not exclusive to Christian or Abrahamic faiths, instances are common among all religions. The clergy of Christianity are at times criticized by other Christians, such as Creator/GrahamGreene, [[WhatTheHellHero for failing to live up to the teachings of the faith]]. [[note]] A recurring theme is the hypocrisy in worshiping a Prophet who claimed peace, condemned greed, befriended prostitutes and the downtrodden yet opposing any reform or revolution, being critical of sexuality and persecuting prostitutes and homosexuals as MoralGuardians, supporting Kings, Aristocrats and Businessmen, and sparking various wars of conquest [[/note]]. Satire and criticism of Christianity in non-Christian media often ([[JesusTaboo but not always]]) separates [[JesusWasWayCool Jesus]] from the actions of various Christian sects.

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In modern history, Christianity is arguably the most mocked religion in mainstream media (this is not without precedent; on this very wiki alone [[UpToEleven Christianity has its own folder on this page while no other religion does]] and Literature/{{the Bible}}'s page had to be Administrivia/{{locked|Pages}} against edits due to disproportionate amount of edit wars and flame wars it was subject to, a measure unnecessary for the tropes pages of other religious texts such as the Qu'ran). The basic truth is that Christianity, in all its sects, is the World's world's major and leading religion, it is the dominant religious tradition in the Western nations and Western nations have a disproportionate hold on the global media, so Christianity's [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement perceived negatives]] at times get over-represented or exaggerated.

In Eastern Nations, nations, in former colonies, Christianity may be a minority but on account of missionary activities it has greatly impacted the Education education and Cultural cultural life of the elites, which has nonetheless kept Christian tradition and its roles, positive and negative, in public memory. The political and cultural revolutions on behalf of freedom of speech in France, England, United States, Italy, Germany has rested on the separation of the Church and State, and this has led to Christianity in the position of the DesignatedVillain in many anti-censorship fights in the Western World due to incidents such the treatment of Charles Darwin. Christianity is still greatly perceived, and resented for being MoralGuardians, though this is not limited to Christianity. This also ties to the tendency for Christianity to be singled out as ''the'' target religion for expressions and media portrayals of anti-religious sentiment, [[DoubleStandard even if the grievance in question leveled against Christianity can be found outside it (such the LBGT movement, where Christianity was more antagonistically portrayed and criticized for its stance on homosexuality than Judaism or Islam, despite the three faiths and their Scriptures sharing a stance on homosexuality]]).

Christianity being a large diverse religion has also been involved in several questionable policies and events over the centuries (UsefulNotes/TheCrusades [[note]] though [[note]]Though there was just as much if not more involvement from Islam Islam.[[/note]], UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition). It is often criticized among other religious groups for its missionary activities, wars it has waged among various sects, its role in suppression and hijacking of pagan rituals and persecuting other religions, which it must be stated is not exclusive to Christian or Abrahamic faiths, instances are common among all religions. The clergy of Christianity are at times criticized by other Christians, such as Creator/GrahamGreene, [[WhatTheHellHero for failing to live up to the teachings of the faith]]. [[note]] A recurring theme is the hypocrisy in worshiping a Prophet who claimed peace, condemned greed, befriended prostitutes and the downtrodden yet opposing any reform or revolution, being critical of sexuality and persecuting prostitutes and homosexuals as MoralGuardians, supporting Kings, Aristocrats and Businessmen, and sparking various wars of conquest [[/note]]. Satire and criticism of Christianity in non-Christian media often ([[JesusTaboo but not always]]) separates [[JesusWasWayCool Jesus]] from the actions of various Christian sects.



It must be said that the Catholic Church, while it has a checkered history, gets satirized more often because it ''is'' the biggest and oldest organized religion and certainly the world's oldest institution. Within Europe, the Church is still regularly mocked, though there the criticism is political, citing the Church's involvement in politics and its oppositions to republican and leftist revolutions. That being said the religion is still mocked to death in most Western European countries such as France. The fact that one of the biggest deniers of the Holocaust was a pope did not help matters either. Neither is it that the Italian drug mafia gives them regularly big sums of money to say that the mafia is a catholic charity and that their actions are so noble that they will receive heaven, something they only started to contradict as of 2013.

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It must be said that the Catholic Church, while it has a checkered history, gets satirized more often because it ''is'' the biggest and oldest organized religion church and certainly the world's oldest institution. Within Europe, the Church is still regularly mocked, though there the criticism is political, citing the Church's involvement in politics and its oppositions to republican and leftist revolutions. That being said the religion is still mocked to death in most Western European countries such as France. The fact that one of the biggest deniers of the Holocaust was a pope did not help matters either. Neither is it that the Italian drug mafia gives them regularly big sums of money to say that the mafia is a catholic charity and that their actions are so noble that they will receive heaven, something they only started to contradict as of 2013.
1st Sep '16 11:17:47 AM Fireblood
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In the US Culture Wars of TheNoughties, the atheist movement emerged as a response to the religious right, Creationism and the rise of Islamic fundamentalism. This activism also comes from a feeling that it's hard to find a happy, well-adjusted, or optimistic individual on (American) television who is an openly avowed atheist. Not appearing to practice or even mention religion at all is fine for everyone, but it's generally only characters with a fair degree of cynicism and bitterness who can state outright that they don't believe there is a God, or even that they severely doubt if God exists (however the latter is agnostic, not atheist). Perhaps this is due to the fact that one of the most prominent real-life atheists, Madalyn Murray O'Hair, was also known for her abrasive personality.[[note]]And her tragic end - kidnapped and murdered by a of a member of her organization, American Atheists, for exposing his criminal history.[[/note]]

The issue is compounded further by many prominent atheists' confrontational and vitriolic criticisms of religion in the mass media and the association of atheism with communism and religious persecution by communist regimes; this association is due to some shared ideals and communist influence on "New Atheism" atheist movement (One of its founders, Creator/ChristopherHitchens, was a Trotskyist at one point and Trotskyism is a subset of the atheist communist ideology Marxism. Marxism is the same ideology espoused by the communist regimes that practiced persecution of religion. Christopher was also an avowed influence on another founder of the movement, Richard Dawkins). During the RedScare of TheFifties, ''In God We Trust'' replaced ''E Pluribus Unum'' on the US Currency as part of the general culture wars against the Soviet Union and atheists in popular media were depicted as communists, even if the most vocal and influential anti-communist author of this era, Creator/AynRand, was herself an atheist.[[note]]She was of course far more vocal and tendentious about her anti-communist, pro-US attitudes than she was about her anti-religious opinions.[[/note]] Many criticisms of atheism by theists also exist, of course, which may have more cachet in the still highly religious US. In fact, very few TV atheists are portrayed as having come to this conclusion by dispassionate consideration of their experience but, much more likely, they have some tragedy in their past, such as a CynicismCatalyst or gave up after a crisis of faith (which does occur in real-life but isn't universally true).

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In the US Culture Wars of TheNoughties, the atheist movement emerged as a response to the religious right, Creationism creationism and the rise of Islamic fundamentalism. This activism also comes from a feeling that it's hard to find a happy, well-adjusted, or optimistic individual on (American) television who is an openly avowed atheist. Not appearing to practice or even mention religion at all is fine for everyone, but it's generally only characters with a fair degree of cynicism and bitterness who can state outright that they don't believe there is a God, or even that they severely doubt if God exists (however the latter is agnostic, not atheist). Perhaps this is due to the fact that one of the most prominent real-life atheists, Madalyn Murray O'Hair, was also known for her abrasive personality.[[note]]And her tragic end - kidnapped and murdered by a of a member of her organization, American Atheists, for exposing his criminal history.[[/note]]

The issue is compounded further by many prominent atheists' confrontational and vitriolic criticisms of religion in the mass media and the association of atheism with communism and religious persecution by communist regimes; this association is due to some shared ideals and communist influence on "New Atheism" atheist movement (One of its founders, Creator/ChristopherHitchens, was a Trotskyist at one point and Trotskyism is a subset of the atheist communist ideology Marxism. Marxism is the same ideology espoused by the communist regimes that practiced persecution of religion. Christopher was also an avowed influence on another founder of the movement, Richard Dawkins).regimes. During the RedScare of TheFifties, ''In God We Trust'' replaced ''E Pluribus Unum'' on the US Currency as part of the general culture wars against the Soviet Union and atheists in popular media were depicted as communists, even if the most vocal and influential anti-communist author of this era, Creator/AynRand, was herself an atheist.[[note]]She was of course far more vocal and tendentious about her anti-communist, pro-US attitudes than she was about her anti-religious opinions.[[/note]] Many criticisms of atheism by theists also exist, of course, which may have more cachet in the still highly religious US. In fact, very few TV atheists are portrayed as having come to this conclusion by dispassionate consideration of their experience but, much more likely, they have some tragedy in their past, such as a CynicismCatalyst or gave up after a crisis of faith (which does occur in real-life but isn't universally true).
31st Aug '16 11:16:08 PM BroTim11
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The issue is compounded further by many prominent atheists' confrontational and vitriolic criticisms of religion in the mass media and the association of atheism with communism and religious persecution by communist regimes; this association is due to some shared ideals and communist influence on "New Atheism" atheist movement (One of its founders, Creator/ChristopherHitchens, was a Trotskyist at one point; Trotskyism is a subset of the anti-religious communist ideology Marxism. Christopher was also an avowed influence on another founder of the movement, Richard Dawkins). During the RedScare of TheFifties, ''In God We Trust'' replaced ''E Pluribus Unum'' on the US Currency as part of the general culture wars against the Soviet Union and atheists in popular media were depicted as communists, even if the most vocal and influential anti-communist author of this era, Creator/AynRand, was herself an atheist.[[note]]She was of course far more vocal and tendentious about her anti-communist, pro-US attitudes than she was about her anti-religious opinions.[[/note]] Many criticisms of atheism by theists also exist, of course, which may have more cachet in the still highly religious US. In fact, very few TV atheists are portrayed as having come to this conclusion by dispassionate consideration of their experience but, much more likely, they have some tragedy in their past, such as a CynicismCatalyst or gave up after a crisis of faith (which does occur in real-life but isn't universally true).

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The issue is compounded further by many prominent atheists' confrontational and vitriolic criticisms of religion in the mass media and the association of atheism with communism and religious persecution by communist regimes; this association is due to some shared ideals and communist influence on "New Atheism" atheist movement (One of its founders, Creator/ChristopherHitchens, was a Trotskyist at one point; point and Trotskyism is a subset of the anti-religious atheist communist ideology Marxism.Marxism. Marxism is the same ideology espoused by the communist regimes that practiced persecution of religion. Christopher was also an avowed influence on another founder of the movement, Richard Dawkins). During the RedScare of TheFifties, ''In God We Trust'' replaced ''E Pluribus Unum'' on the US Currency as part of the general culture wars against the Soviet Union and atheists in popular media were depicted as communists, even if the most vocal and influential anti-communist author of this era, Creator/AynRand, was herself an atheist.[[note]]She was of course far more vocal and tendentious about her anti-communist, pro-US attitudes than she was about her anti-religious opinions.[[/note]] Many criticisms of atheism by theists also exist, of course, which may have more cachet in the still highly religious US. In fact, very few TV atheists are portrayed as having come to this conclusion by dispassionate consideration of their experience but, much more likely, they have some tragedy in their past, such as a CynicismCatalyst or gave up after a crisis of faith (which does occur in real-life but isn't universally true).
31st Aug '16 11:14:08 PM BroTim11
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The issue is compounded further by many prominent atheists' confrontational and vitriolic criticisms of religion in the mass media and the association of atheism with communism and religious persecution by communist regimes; this association is due to some shared ideals and communist influence among the "New Atheism" atheist movement (One of its founders, Christopher Hitchens, was a Trotskyist at one point; Trotskyism is a subset of the anti-religious communist ideology Marxism. Christopher was also an avowed influence on another founder of the movement, Richard Dawkins). During the RedScare of TheFifties, ''In God We Trust'' replaced ''E Pluribus Unum'' on the US Currency as part of the general culture wars against the Soviet Union and atheists in popular media were depicted as communists, even if the most vocal and influential anti-communist author of this era, Creator/AynRand, was herself an atheist.[[note]]She was of course far more vocal and tendentious about her anti-communist, pro-US attitudes than she was about her anti-religious opinions.[[/note]] Many criticisms of atheism by theists also exist, of course, which may have more cachet in the still highly religious US. In fact, very few TV atheists are portrayed as having come to this conclusion by dispassionate consideration of their experience but, much more likely, they have some tragedy in their past, such as a CynicismCatalyst or gave up after a crisis of faith (which does occur in real-life but isn't universally true).

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The issue is compounded further by many prominent atheists' confrontational and vitriolic criticisms of religion in the mass media and the association of atheism with communism and religious persecution by communist regimes; this association is due to some shared ideals and communist influence among the on "New Atheism" atheist movement (One of its founders, Christopher Hitchens, Creator/ChristopherHitchens, was a Trotskyist at one point; Trotskyism is a subset of the anti-religious communist ideology Marxism. Christopher was also an avowed influence on another founder of the movement, Richard Dawkins). During the RedScare of TheFifties, ''In God We Trust'' replaced ''E Pluribus Unum'' on the US Currency as part of the general culture wars against the Soviet Union and atheists in popular media were depicted as communists, even if the most vocal and influential anti-communist author of this era, Creator/AynRand, was herself an atheist.[[note]]She was of course far more vocal and tendentious about her anti-communist, pro-US attitudes than she was about her anti-religious opinions.[[/note]] Many criticisms of atheism by theists also exist, of course, which may have more cachet in the still highly religious US. In fact, very few TV atheists are portrayed as having come to this conclusion by dispassionate consideration of their experience but, much more likely, they have some tragedy in their past, such as a CynicismCatalyst or gave up after a crisis of faith (which does occur in real-life but isn't universally true).
31st Aug '16 11:11:46 PM BroTim11
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The issue is compounded further by many prominent atheists' confrontational and vitriolic criticisms of religion in the mass media and the association of atheism with communism and religious persecution by communist regimes. During the RedScare of TheFifties, ''In God We Trust'' replaced ''E Pluribus Unum'' on the US Currency as part of the general culture wars against the Soviet Union and atheists in popular media were depicted as communists, even if the most vocal and influential anti-communist author of this era, Creator/AynRand, was herself an atheist.[[note]]She was of course far more vocal and tendentious about her anti-communist, pro-US attitudes than she was about her anti-religious opinions.[[/note]] Many criticisms of atheism by theists also exist, of course, which may have more cachet in the still highly religious US. In fact, very few TV atheists are portrayed as having come to this conclusion by dispassionate consideration of their experience but, much more likely, they have some tragedy in their past, such as a CynicismCatalyst or gave up after a crisis of faith (which does occur in real-life but isn't universally true).

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The issue is compounded further by many prominent atheists' confrontational and vitriolic criticisms of religion in the mass media and the association of atheism with communism and religious persecution by communist regimes. regimes; this association is due to some shared ideals and communist influence among the "New Atheism" atheist movement (One of its founders, Christopher Hitchens, was a Trotskyist at one point; Trotskyism is a subset of the anti-religious communist ideology Marxism. Christopher was also an avowed influence on another founder of the movement, Richard Dawkins). During the RedScare of TheFifties, ''In God We Trust'' replaced ''E Pluribus Unum'' on the US Currency as part of the general culture wars against the Soviet Union and atheists in popular media were depicted as communists, even if the most vocal and influential anti-communist author of this era, Creator/AynRand, was herself an atheist.[[note]]She was of course far more vocal and tendentious about her anti-communist, pro-US attitudes than she was about her anti-religious opinions.[[/note]] Many criticisms of atheism by theists also exist, of course, which may have more cachet in the still highly religious US. In fact, very few TV atheists are portrayed as having come to this conclusion by dispassionate consideration of their experience but, much more likely, they have some tragedy in their past, such as a CynicismCatalyst or gave up after a crisis of faith (which does occur in real-life but isn't universally true).
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