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15th May '16 4:26:06 AM ArtieBird
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Christianity being a large diverse religion has also been involved in several questionable policies and events over the centuries (UsefulNotes/TheCrusades, UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition). It is often criticized among other religious groups for its missionary activities and its role in suppression and hijacking of pagan rituals and persecuting other religions, which it must be stated is not exclusive to Christian or Abrahamic faiths, instances are common among all religions. There is also the bloody wars it has waged among various sects, and sometimes inside various sects. The religion is also a target by Christian artists, such as Creator/GrahamGreene and others, [[WhatTheHellHero for its failings to live up to its ideals]], the hypocrisy in worshipping a Prophet who claimed peace, condemned greed, befriended prostitutes and the downtrodden yet opposing any reform or revolution, being critical of sexuality and persecuting prostitutes and homosexuals as MoralGuardians, supporting Kings, Aristocrats and Businessmen, and sparking various wars of conquest. Indeed, Christian satire and criticism in the mainstream often separates [[JesusWasWayCool Jesus]] from the actions of various Christian sects (though The Bible tends to get more [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement varied or contentious]] treatment) and the defining criticism of Christianity is often {{Hypocrisy}}, again which it must be stated is not exclusive to Christianity, the Abrahamic faiths or religion; people from all walks of life are hypocritical at some point or another. An example is, Creator/{{Moliere}}'s ''Tartuffe'' a con-man who poses as a priest, is a proverbial byword for two-faced corruption.

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Christianity being a large diverse religion has also been involved in several questionable policies and events over the centuries (UsefulNotes/TheCrusades, UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition). It is often criticized among other religious groups for its missionary activities and its role in suppression and hijacking of pagan rituals and persecuting other religions, which it must be stated is not exclusive to Christian or Abrahamic faiths, instances are common among all religions. There is also the bloody wars it has waged among various sects, and sometimes inside various sects. The religion is also a target by Christian artists, such as Creator/GrahamGreene and others, [[WhatTheHellHero for its failings to live up to its ideals]], the hypocrisy in worshipping worshiping a Prophet who claimed peace, condemned greed, befriended prostitutes and the downtrodden yet opposing any reform or revolution, being critical of sexuality and persecuting prostitutes and homosexuals as MoralGuardians, supporting Kings, Aristocrats and Businessmen, and sparking various wars of conquest. Indeed, Christian satire and criticism in the mainstream often separates [[JesusWasWayCool Jesus]] from the actions of various Christian sects (though The Bible tends to get more [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement varied or contentious]] treatment) ([[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement a courtesy not always extended to]] [[Literature/TheBible some of His teachings]]) and the defining criticism of Christianity is often {{Hypocrisy}}, again which it must be stated is not exclusive to Christianity, the Abrahamic faiths or religion; people from all walks of life are hypocritical at some point or another. An example is, Creator/{{Moliere}}'s ''Tartuffe'' a con-man who poses as a priest, is a proverbial byword for two-faced corruption.
24th Apr '16 10:23:17 AM Theatre_Maven_3695
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Within America, anti-Catholicism has had an old and at times dubious history, and for a long time Catholics especially from immigrant countries like Ireland and Italy endured some amount of persecution from the largely [[WhiteAngloSaxonProtagonist WASP]] American mainstream. The election of UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy was seen as the point where Catholics were embraced by the white mainstream. This was tarnished however by the revelation that parts of the Church hierarchy were complicit in covering up child abuse by their own priests, and a growing trend has been [[PedophilePriest to depict most or all Catholic priests]] [[PaedoHunt as being child abusers and pedophiles]]. Catholicism is also commonly portrayed as the ultimate in fundamentalism and hypocrisy, as a group of people who judge others despite being evil and cruel. Catholic girls are portrayed [[CatholicSchoolGirlsRule as easy and slutty]] but judgmental. Catholics have been portrayed as [[ScienceIsBad enemies of science]] ever since they put Galileo under house arrest (the church didn't officially apologize for the Galileo affair until ''1990''.[[note]]Although Galileo's works were removed from the Holy Index within a century after his death, and the Church formally accepted his heliocentric theory in 1800-about the same time that direct experimental evidence for the Earth's motion in space was first presented. Galileo's rehabilitation had actually been in the works for centuries and would have occurred much earlier were it not for intervening political events.[[/note]]) Catholics aren't supposed to use birth control, and stereotypical Catholics have enormous families, presumably because they're too dumb to simply stop having sex when they already have more children than they can feed (and this brings up supposed sexual hypocrisy, of course). However, North American lay Catholics get more of a pass now since the Vatican's frustration at the vast majority casually defying its directives on things like birth control and divorce is well-known. John Paul II helped soften the Pope's image, mostly because he was tough on Communism, and even non-Catholics tend to think of modern Popes as basically nice guys, though Pope John Paul's successor Benedict XIV's resemblance to a certain [[Franchise/StarWars Dark Lord of the Sith]] hasn't helped. However, ''his'' successor (after Benedict's resignation/retirement, the first one since ''1415'') has been lauded for his comparatively progressive style, particularly when it comes to discussing faith and religion with non-Catholics and, indeed, non-Christians.

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Within America, anti-Catholicism has had an old and at times dubious history, and for a long time Catholics especially from immigrant countries like Ireland and Italy endured some amount of persecution from the largely [[WhiteAngloSaxonProtagonist [[WhiteAngloSaxonProtestant WASP]] American mainstream. The election of UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy was seen as the point where Catholics were embraced by the white mainstream. This was tarnished however by the revelation that parts of the Church hierarchy were complicit in covering up child abuse by their own priests, and a growing trend has been [[PedophilePriest to depict most or all Catholic priests]] [[PaedoHunt as being child abusers and pedophiles]]. Catholicism is also commonly portrayed as the ultimate in fundamentalism and hypocrisy, as a group of people who judge others despite being evil and cruel. Catholic girls are portrayed [[CatholicSchoolGirlsRule as easy and slutty]] but judgmental. Catholics have been portrayed as [[ScienceIsBad enemies of science]] ever since they put Galileo under house arrest (the church didn't officially apologize for the Galileo affair until ''1990''.[[note]]Although Galileo's works were removed from the Holy Index within a century after his death, and the Church formally accepted his heliocentric theory in 1800-about the same time that direct experimental evidence for the Earth's motion in space was first presented. Galileo's rehabilitation had actually been in the works for centuries and would have occurred much earlier were it not for intervening political events.[[/note]]) Catholics aren't supposed to use birth control, and stereotypical Catholics have enormous families, presumably because they're too dumb to simply stop having sex when they already have more children than they can feed (and this brings up supposed sexual hypocrisy, of course). However, North American lay Catholics get more of a pass now since the Vatican's frustration at the vast majority casually defying its directives on things like birth control and divorce is well-known. John Paul II helped soften the Pope's image, mostly because he was tough on Communism, and even non-Catholics tend to think of modern Popes as basically nice guys, though Pope John Paul's successor Benedict XIV's resemblance to a certain [[Franchise/StarWars Dark Lord of the Sith]] hasn't helped. However, ''his'' successor (after Benedict's resignation/retirement, the first one since ''1415'') has been lauded for his comparatively progressive style, particularly when it comes to discussing faith and religion with non-Catholics and, indeed, non-Christians.
3rd Apr '16 11:27:51 AM MasterofGalaxies4628
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In modern history, Christianity is arguably the most mocked religion in mainstream media (while debatable, this is not without precedent; on this very wiki alone [[UpToEleven Christianity has its own folder on this page while no other religion does]] and the Bible's page had to be locked against edits due to disproportionate amount of edit wars and flame wars it was subject to). The basic truth however is that Christianity, in all its sects, is the World's major and leading religion, it is the dominant religious tradition in the Western nations and Western nations have a disproportionate hold on the global media, so Christianity's [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement perceived negatives]] at times get over-represented or exaggerated.

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In modern history, Christianity is arguably the most mocked religion in mainstream media (while debatable, this is not without precedent; on this very wiki alone [[UpToEleven Christianity has its own folder on this page while no other religion does]] and the Bible's Literature/{{the Bible}}'s page had to be locked Administrivia/{{locked|Pages}} against edits due to disproportionate amount of edit wars and flame wars it was subject to). The basic truth however is that Christianity, in all its sects, is the World's major and leading religion, it is the dominant religious tradition in the Western nations and Western nations have a disproportionate hold on the global media, so Christianity's [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement perceived negatives]] at times get over-represented or exaggerated.



Christianity being a large diverse religion has also been involved in several questionable policies and events over the centuries (UsefulNotes/TheCrusades, UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition). It is often criticized among other religious groups for its missionary activities and its role in suppression and hijacking of pagan rituals and persecuting other religions, which it must be stated is not exclusive to Christian or Abrahamic faiths, instances are common among all religions. There is also the bloody wars it has waged among various sects, and sometimes inside various sects. The religion is also a target by Christian artists, such as Creator/GrahamGreene and others, [[WhatTheHellHero for its failings to live up to its ideals]], the hypocrisy in worshipping a Prophet who claimed peace, condemned greed, befriended prostitutes and the downtrodden yet opposing any reform or revolution, being critical of sexuality and persecuting prostitutes and homosexuals as MoralGuardians, supporting Kings, Aristocrats and Businessmen, and sparking various wars of conquest. Indeed, Christian satire and criticism in the mainstream often separates [[JesusWasWayCool Jesus]] from the actions of various Christian sects (though The Bible tends to get more [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement varied or contentious]] treatment) and the defining criticism of Christianity is often {{Hypocrisy}}, again which it must be stated is not exclusive to Christianity, the Abrahamic faiths or religion, people from all walks of life are hypocritical at some point or another. An example is, Creator/{{Moliere}}'s ''Tartuffe'' a con-man who poses as a priest, is a proverbial byword for two-faced corruption.

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Christianity being a large diverse religion has also been involved in several questionable policies and events over the centuries (UsefulNotes/TheCrusades, UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition). It is often criticized among other religious groups for its missionary activities and its role in suppression and hijacking of pagan rituals and persecuting other religions, which it must be stated is not exclusive to Christian or Abrahamic faiths, instances are common among all religions. There is also the bloody wars it has waged among various sects, and sometimes inside various sects. The religion is also a target by Christian artists, such as Creator/GrahamGreene and others, [[WhatTheHellHero for its failings to live up to its ideals]], the hypocrisy in worshipping a Prophet who claimed peace, condemned greed, befriended prostitutes and the downtrodden yet opposing any reform or revolution, being critical of sexuality and persecuting prostitutes and homosexuals as MoralGuardians, supporting Kings, Aristocrats and Businessmen, and sparking various wars of conquest. Indeed, Christian satire and criticism in the mainstream often separates [[JesusWasWayCool Jesus]] from the actions of various Christian sects (though The Bible tends to get more [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement varied or contentious]] treatment) and the defining criticism of Christianity is often {{Hypocrisy}}, again which it must be stated is not exclusive to Christianity, the Abrahamic faiths or religion, religion; people from all walks of life are hypocritical at some point or another. An example is, Creator/{{Moliere}}'s ''Tartuffe'' a con-man who poses as a priest, is a proverbial byword for two-faced corruption.



Within America, anti-Catholicism has had an old and at times dubious history, and for a long time Catholics especially from immigrant countries like Ireland and Italy endured some amount of persecution from the largely [=WASP=] American mainstream. The election of UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy was seen as the point where Catholics were embraced by the white mainstream. This was tarnished however by the revelation that parts of the Church hierarchy were complicit in covering up child abuse by their own priests, a growing trend has been [[PaedoHunt to depict most or all Catholic priests as being child abusers and pedophiles]]. Catholicism is also commonly portrayed as the ultimate in fundamentalism and hypocrisy, as a group of people who judge others despite being evil and cruel. Catholic girls are portrayed [[CatholicSchoolGirlsRule as easy and slutty]] but judgmental. Catholics have been portrayed as [[ScienceIsBad enemies of science]] ever since they put Galileo under house arrest (the church didn't officially apologize for the Galileo affair until ''1990''.[[note]]Although Galileo's works were removed from the Holy Index within a century after his death, and the Church formally accepted his heliocentric theory in 1800-about the same time that direct experimental evidence for the Earth's motion in space was first presented. Galileo's rehabilitation had actually been in the works for centuries and would have occurred much earlier were it not for intervening political events.[[/note]]) Catholics aren't supposed to use birth control, and stereotypical Catholics have enormous families, presumably because they're too dumb to simply stop having sex when they already have more children than they can feed (and this brings up supposed sexual hypocrisy, of course). However, North American lay Catholics get more of a pass now since the Vatican's frustration at the vast majority casually defying its directives on things like birth control and divorce is well-known. John Paul II helped soften the Pope's image, mostly because he was tough on Communism, and even non-Catholics tend to think of modern Popes as basically nice guys, though Pope John Paul's successor Benedict XIV's resemblance to a certain [[Franchise/StarWars Dark Lord of the Sith]] hasn't helped. However, ''his'' successor (after Benedict's resignation/retirement, the first one since ''1415'') has been lauded for his comparatively progressive style, particularly when it comes to discussing faith and religion with non-Catholics and, indeed, non-Christians.

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Within America, anti-Catholicism has had an old and at times dubious history, and for a long time Catholics especially from immigrant countries like Ireland and Italy endured some amount of persecution from the largely [=WASP=] [[WhiteAngloSaxonProtagonist WASP]] American mainstream. The election of UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy was seen as the point where Catholics were embraced by the white mainstream. This was tarnished however by the revelation that parts of the Church hierarchy were complicit in covering up child abuse by their own priests, and a growing trend has been [[PaedoHunt [[PedophilePriest to depict most or all Catholic priests priests]] [[PaedoHunt as being child abusers and pedophiles]]. Catholicism is also commonly portrayed as the ultimate in fundamentalism and hypocrisy, as a group of people who judge others despite being evil and cruel. Catholic girls are portrayed [[CatholicSchoolGirlsRule as easy and slutty]] but judgmental. Catholics have been portrayed as [[ScienceIsBad enemies of science]] ever since they put Galileo under house arrest (the church didn't officially apologize for the Galileo affair until ''1990''.[[note]]Although Galileo's works were removed from the Holy Index within a century after his death, and the Church formally accepted his heliocentric theory in 1800-about the same time that direct experimental evidence for the Earth's motion in space was first presented. Galileo's rehabilitation had actually been in the works for centuries and would have occurred much earlier were it not for intervening political events.[[/note]]) Catholics aren't supposed to use birth control, and stereotypical Catholics have enormous families, presumably because they're too dumb to simply stop having sex when they already have more children than they can feed (and this brings up supposed sexual hypocrisy, of course). However, North American lay Catholics get more of a pass now since the Vatican's frustration at the vast majority casually defying its directives on things like birth control and divorce is well-known. John Paul II helped soften the Pope's image, mostly because he was tough on Communism, and even non-Catholics tend to think of modern Popes as basically nice guys, though Pope John Paul's successor Benedict XIV's resemblance to a certain [[Franchise/StarWars Dark Lord of the Sith]] hasn't helped. However, ''his'' successor (after Benedict's resignation/retirement, the first one since ''1415'') has been lauded for his comparatively progressive style, particularly when it comes to discussing faith and religion with non-Catholics and, indeed, non-Christians.



* It doesn't help that the VocalMinority often come off as being anti-theists (or that they subdivide and split hairs by using terms such as 'anti-theist' [[NotSoDifferent in a manner not unlike Christian heretical denunciations]]) -- holding that not only does God not exist, but that it would be rather awful if it was true, for a variety of reasons, such as Him being an "eternal supervising parent," or holding that mainstream religious conceptions of God are immoral -- e.g., it is held that the God who ordered the [[FinalSolution genocide of the Amalekites]] (to pick an extreme example), if He existed, would not be a worthy or moral steward of the universe. Anti-theism in this sense is generally deployed by most atheists as a rebuttal to the argument that religion is exceptionally comforting in a way that atheism cannot be. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement While some are known for these traits in real-life]], anti-theists in fiction are often portrayed as [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch despising religion despite knowing little to nothing about what they hate or not trying to learn]], being simply bigoted against religious people (portrayed [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero both]] [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain ways]]) and even [[SelectiveObliviousness ignoring the good religion has inspired, such as charity]] or [[TurbulentPriest the times religion has opposed corrupt regimes]]. Perhaps this is due to the fact that one of the most prominent real-life anti-theists, Richard Dawkins, is known for these traits, some of which have been observed in his controversial book endorsing anti-theism called 'The God Delusion' (a book many atheists draw their arguments from despite the fact that many, even among atheists themselves, consider the case it presents and/or the way it presents this to be questionable).
* Before TheNoughties, atheism in American media was equated with Communism and RedScare. Mostly because Communism officially promoted atheism and Creator/KarlMarx actually did say "religion is the opium of the masses". Indeed, "In God We Trust" replaced "E Pluribus Unum" as the motto on US Currency in 1956, largely as a TakeThat at the Soviet Union's state atheism. This also explains why Creator/AynRand is an influence on many neo-conservatives (who were largely Christian and identified and supported the moral majority and other issues) even if Rand was herself an atheist. To them her anti-communism was the AcceptableTarget, since she rarely criticized religion to the same extent. And indeed, DirtyCommies were often identified and marked by openly professing atheism in films like ''My Son John''. Indeed, left movements like the UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement escaped the stigma of being perceived as Communist and so a threat to middle-class Americans because the most famous leader Martin Luther King was religious, and black churches played a major role in those events.

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* It doesn't help that the VocalMinority often come off as being anti-theists (or that they subdivide and split hairs by using terms such as 'anti-theist' [[NotSoDifferent in a manner not unlike Christian heretical denunciations]]) -- holding that not only does God not exist, but that it would be rather awful if it was true, for a variety of reasons, such as Him being an "eternal supervising parent," or holding that mainstream religious conceptions of God are immoral -- e.g., it is held that the God who ordered the [[FinalSolution genocide of the Amalekites]] (to pick an extreme example), if He existed, would not be a worthy or moral steward of the universe. Anti-theism in this sense is generally deployed by most atheists as a rebuttal to the argument that religion is exceptionally comforting in a way that atheism cannot be. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement While some are known for these traits in real-life]], anti-theists in fiction are often portrayed as [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch despising religion despite knowing little to nothing about what they hate or not trying to learn]], being simply bigoted against religious people (portrayed [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero both]] [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain ways]]) and even [[SelectiveObliviousness ignoring the good religion has inspired, such as charity]] or [[TurbulentPriest the times religion has opposed corrupt regimes]]. Perhaps this is due to the fact that one of the most prominent real-life anti-theists, Richard Dawkins, is known for these traits, some of which have been observed in his controversial book endorsing anti-theism called 'The God Delusion' (a book many atheists draw their arguments from despite the fact that many, even among atheists themselves, [[DontShootTheMessage consider the case it presents and/or the way it presents this to be questionable).
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* Before TheNoughties, atheism in American media was equated with Communism [[DirtyCommunists Communism]] and RedScare. Mostly the RedScare, mostly because Communism officially promoted atheism and Creator/KarlMarx actually did say "religion is the opium of the masses". Indeed, "In God We Trust" replaced "E Pluribus Unum" as the motto on US Currency in 1956, largely as a TakeThat at the Soviet Union's state atheism. This also explains why Creator/AynRand is an influence on many neo-conservatives (who were largely Christian and identified and supported the moral majority and other issues) even if Rand was herself an atheist. To them them, her anti-communism was the AcceptableTarget, since she rarely criticized religion to the same extent. And indeed, DirtyCommies DirtyCommunists were often identified and marked by openly professing atheism in films like ''My Son John''. Indeed, left movements like the UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement escaped the stigma of being perceived as Communist and so a threat to middle-class Americans because the most famous leader leader, Martin Luther King Jr., was religious, and black churches played a major role in those events.
29th Mar '16 3:54:32 PM Fireblood
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* In Belgium, Scientology is the religious equivalent of the drug mafia. This is mainly because there was once an investigation on the sect from 1999 until 2007 that brought to light that they fraud, extort, betray, go against the practices of trade, illegal practice of medicine, go against the practices of privacy and participate with criminal organisations.

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* In Belgium, Scientology is the religious equivalent of the drug mafia. This is mainly because there was once an investigation on the sect from 1999 until 2007 that brought to light that they fraud, defraud, extort, betray, go against the practices of trade, illegal illegally practice of medicine, go against the practices of privacy and participate with criminal organisations.



* Some modern atheists respond by stating [[NoTrueScotsman that communism is a kind of religion]] in itself and invoke the CultOfPersonality of Stalin and Mao as evidence. ''[[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial Totally different]]'' from their attempts to make cults out of Enlightenment and modern philosophers. Others more reasonably point to the totalitarian nature of these regimes as the problem, or simply object to being lumped in with them [[AssociationFallacy due to a shared atheism]].
* Atheists have also claim various individuals as secretly atheists or proto-atheists. They state UsefulNotes/{{Deism}} is really proto-atheism, this despite Voltaire's famous pronouncement that "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him" (which [[ComicallyMissingThePoint was written in criticism of]] an atheist tract). They also claim pagan and ancient religion as being more tolerant than Abrahamic faiths, despite the fact that Socrates was executed by the very pagan Greeks because he was "Atheos" (which meant that he followed other beliefs than the gods of the state, which was considered atheism). However, this was an unusual event. With far less concept of religious "orthodoxy", paganism tended to tolerate far more diverse opinions about religion, including outright disbelief. Socrates drew condemnation largely because he was considered disloyal to Athens in the wake of its rule by a dictatorship the Spartans had installed.

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* Some modern atheists respond by stating [[NoTrueScotsman that communism is a kind of religion]] in itself and invoke the CultOfPersonality of Stalin and Mao as evidence. ''[[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial Totally different]]'' from their attempts to make cults out of Enlightenment and modern philosophers. Others more reasonably point to the totalitarian nature of these regimes as the problem, or simply object to being lumped in with them [[AssociationFallacy due to a shared atheism]].
* Atheists have also claim various individuals as secretly atheists or proto-atheists. They state UsefulNotes/{{Deism}} is really proto-atheism, this despite Voltaire's famous pronouncement that "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him" (which [[ComicallyMissingThePoint was written in criticism of]] an atheist tract). They also claim pagan and ancient religion as being more tolerant than Abrahamic faiths, despite the fact that Socrates was executed by the very pagan Greeks because he was "Atheos" (which meant that he followed other beliefs than the gods of the state, which was considered atheism). However, this was an unusual event. With far less concept of religious "orthodoxy", paganism tended to tolerate far more diverse opinions about religion, including outright disbelief. Socrates drew condemnation largely because he was considered disloyal to Athens in the wake of its rule by a dictatorship the Spartans had installed.
29th Mar '16 1:33:15 PM Fireblood
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In the Culture Wars of TheNoughties, atheism came as a response to the religious right, Creationism and the rise of Islamic fundamentalism. This militancy also comes from a feeling that it's hard to find a happy, well-adjusted, or optimistic individual on (American) television who is an openly avowed atheist. Not appearing to practice or even mention religion at all is fine for everyone, but it's generally only characters with a fair degree of cynicism and bitterness who can state outright that they don't believe there is a God, or even that they severely doubt God exists (however the latter is agnostic, not atheist). Perhaps this is due to the fact that one of the most prominent real-life atheists, Madalyn Murray O'Hair, was also known for her abrasive personality and her tragic end; kidnapped and murdered by a of a member of her organization, American Atheists, for exposing his violent criminal past and his theft of money from her organization. In fact, it is notable that very few TV atheists are portrayed as having come to this conclusion by dispassionate consideration of the evidence but, much more likely, they have some tragedy in their past, such as a CynicismCatalyst or gave up after a crisis of faith. This is compounded by the fact that [[NotSoDifferent there are real-life atheists who assert their belief "There is no God" as passionately as a religious person can assert there is, get just as offended if contradicted and can also have a narrow-minded zeal for their beliefs]]. As a corollary, such characters often reverse or at least re-examine these views after something good happens to them (often in a VerySpecialEpisode or a DoTheyKnowItsChristmasTime), even if nothing in the episode suggested a supernatural influence. See, for example, House on ''Series/{{House}}'', Mal on ''Series/{{Firefly}}'', or the film ''Film/{{Signs}}''. Less prevalent in Europe, where non-religious people make up for a sizable portion of the population. See also HollywoodAtheist.

* It doesn't help that the VocalMinority often come off as being antitheists (or that they subdivide and split hairs by using terms such as 'antitheist' [[NotSoDifferent in a manner not unlike Christian heretical denunciations]]) -- holding that not only does God not exist, but that it would be rather awful if it was true, for a variety of reasons, such as Him being an "eternal supervising parent," or holding that mainstream religious conceptions of God are immoral -- e.g., it is held that the God who ordered the [[FinalSolution genocide of the Amalekites]] (to pick an extreme example), if He existed, would not be a worthy or moral steward of the universe. Anti-theism in this sense is generally deployed by most atheists as a rebuttal to the argument that religion is exceptionally comforting in a way that atheism cannot be. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement While some are known for these traits in real-life]], anti-theists in fiction are often portrayed as [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch despising religion despite knowing little to nothing about what they hate or not trying to learn]], being simply bigoted against religious people (portrayed [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero both]] [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain ways]]) and even [[SelectiveObliviousness ignoring the good religion has inspired, such as charity]] or [[TurbulentPriest the times religion has opposed corrupt regimes]]. Perhaps this is due to the fact that one of the most prominent real-life anti-theists, Richard Dawkins, is known for these traits; some of which have been observed in his controversial book endorsing anti-theism called 'the God delusion' (a book many atheists draw their arguments from despite the fact that many, even among atheists themselves, consider the case it presents and/or the way it presents it questionable).
* Before TheNoughties, Atheism in American media was equated with Communism and RedScare. Mostly because Communism officially promoted atheism and Creator/KarlMarx actually did say "religion is the opium of the masses". Indeed, "In God We Trust" replaced "E Pluribus Unum" as the motto on US Currency in 1956, largely as a TakeThat on Soviet Union's state atheism. This also explains why Creator/AynRand is an influence on many neo-conservatives (who were largely Christian and identified and supported the moral majority and other issues) even if Rand was herself an atheist. To them her anti-communism was the AcceptableTarget, since she rarely criticized religion to the same extent. And indeed, DirtyCommies were often identified and marked by openly professing atheism in films like ''My Son John''. Indeed, left movements like the UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement escaped the stigma of being percieved as Communist and so a threat to middle-class Americans because the most famous leader Martin Luther King was religious, and African Churches played a major role in those events.
* Modern Day atheists respond by stating [[NoTrueScotsman that communism is a kind of religion]] in itself and invoke the CultOfPersonality of Stalin and Mao as evidence. ''[[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial Totally different]]'' from their attempts to make cults out of Enlightenment and modern philosophers.
* Atheists also claim various individuals as secretly being atheist or proto-atheist. They state UsefulNotes/{{Deism}} is really proto-atheism, this despite Voltaire's famous pronouncement that "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him" (which [[ComicallyMissingThePoint was written in criticism of]] an atheist tract). They also claim pagan and ancient religion as being more tolerant than Abrahamic faiths, despite the fact that Socrates was executed by the very pagan Greeks because he was "Atheos" (which meant that he followed other beliefs than the Gods of the State, the original definition of atheism).

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In the Culture Wars of TheNoughties, atheism came grew as a response to the religious right, Creationism and the rise of Islamic fundamentalism. This militancy also comes from a feeling that it's hard to find a happy, well-adjusted, or optimistic individual on (American) television who is an openly avowed atheist. Not appearing to practice or even mention religion at all is fine for everyone, but it's generally only characters with a fair degree of cynicism and bitterness who can state outright that they don't believe there is a God, or even that they severely doubt if God exists (however the latter is agnostic, not atheist). Perhaps this is due to the fact that one of the most prominent real-life atheists, Madalyn Murray O'Hair, was also known for her abrasive personality and her tragic end; kidnapped end-kidnapped and murdered by a of a member of her organization, American Atheists, for exposing his violent criminal past and his theft of money from her organization. In fact, it is notable that very few TV atheists are portrayed as having come to this conclusion by dispassionate consideration of the evidence but, much more likely, they have some tragedy in their past, such as a CynicismCatalyst or gave up after a crisis of faith. This is compounded by the fact that [[NotSoDifferent there are real-life atheists who assert their belief "There is no God" disbelief in gods as passionately as a religious person can assert there is, their belief, get just as offended if contradicted and can also have a narrow-minded zeal for their beliefs]]. As a corollary, such characters often reverse or at least re-examine these views after something good happens to them (often in a VerySpecialEpisode or a DoTheyKnowItsChristmasTime), even if nothing in the episode suggested a supernatural influence. See, for example, House on ''Series/{{House}}'', Mal on ''Series/{{Firefly}}'', or the film ''Film/{{Signs}}''. Less prevalent in Europe, where non-religious people make up for a sizable portion of the population. See also HollywoodAtheist.

* It doesn't help that the VocalMinority often come off as being antitheists anti-theists (or that they subdivide and split hairs by using terms such as 'antitheist' 'anti-theist' [[NotSoDifferent in a manner not unlike Christian heretical denunciations]]) -- holding that not only does God not exist, but that it would be rather awful if it was true, for a variety of reasons, such as Him being an "eternal supervising parent," or holding that mainstream religious conceptions of God are immoral -- e.g., it is held that the God who ordered the [[FinalSolution genocide of the Amalekites]] (to pick an extreme example), if He existed, would not be a worthy or moral steward of the universe. Anti-theism in this sense is generally deployed by most atheists as a rebuttal to the argument that religion is exceptionally comforting in a way that atheism cannot be. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement While some are known for these traits in real-life]], anti-theists in fiction are often portrayed as [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch despising religion despite knowing little to nothing about what they hate or not trying to learn]], being simply bigoted against religious people (portrayed [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero both]] [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain ways]]) and even [[SelectiveObliviousness ignoring the good religion has inspired, such as charity]] or [[TurbulentPriest the times religion has opposed corrupt regimes]]. Perhaps this is due to the fact that one of the most prominent real-life anti-theists, Richard Dawkins, is known for these traits; traits, some of which have been observed in his controversial book endorsing anti-theism called 'the 'The God delusion' Delusion' (a book many atheists draw their arguments from despite the fact that many, even among atheists themselves, consider the case it presents and/or the way it presents it this to be questionable).
* Before TheNoughties, Atheism atheism in American media was equated with Communism and RedScare. Mostly because Communism officially promoted atheism and Creator/KarlMarx actually did say "religion is the opium of the masses". Indeed, "In God We Trust" replaced "E Pluribus Unum" as the motto on US Currency in 1956, largely as a TakeThat on at the Soviet Union's state atheism. This also explains why Creator/AynRand is an influence on many neo-conservatives (who were largely Christian and identified and supported the moral majority and other issues) even if Rand was herself an atheist. To them her anti-communism was the AcceptableTarget, since she rarely criticized religion to the same extent. And indeed, DirtyCommies were often identified and marked by openly professing atheism in films like ''My Son John''. Indeed, left movements like the UsefulNotes/CivilRightsMovement escaped the stigma of being percieved perceived as Communist and so a threat to middle-class Americans because the most famous leader Martin Luther King was religious, and African Churches black churches played a major role in those events.
* Modern Day Some modern atheists respond by stating [[NoTrueScotsman that communism is a kind of religion]] in itself and invoke the CultOfPersonality of Stalin and Mao as evidence. ''[[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial Totally different]]'' from their attempts to make cults out of Enlightenment and modern philosophers. Others more reasonably point to the totalitarian nature of these regimes as the problem, or simply object to being lumped in with them [[AssociationFallacy due to a shared atheism]].
* Atheists have also claim various individuals as secretly being atheist atheists or proto-atheist.proto-atheists. They state UsefulNotes/{{Deism}} is really proto-atheism, this despite Voltaire's famous pronouncement that "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him" (which [[ComicallyMissingThePoint was written in criticism of]] an atheist tract). They also claim pagan and ancient religion as being more tolerant than Abrahamic faiths, despite the fact that Socrates was executed by the very pagan Greeks because he was "Atheos" (which meant that he followed other beliefs than the Gods gods of the State, state, which was considered atheism). However, this was an unusual event. With far less concept of religious "orthodoxy", paganism tended to tolerate far more diverse opinions about religion, including outright disbelief. Socrates drew condemnation largely because he was considered disloyal to Athens in the original definition wake of atheism).its rule by a dictatorship the Spartans had installed.
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In Eastern Nations, in former colonies, Christianity may be a minority but on account of missionary activities it has greatly impacted the Education and Cultural life of the elites, which has nonetheless kept Christian tradition and its roles, positive and negative, in public memory. The political and cultural revolutions on behalf of freedom of speech in France, England, United States, Italy, Germany has rested on the separation of the Church and State, and this has led to Christianity in the position of the DesignatedVillain in many anti-censorship fights in the Western World (Galileo, Darwin etc), and it is still greatly perceived, and resented for being MoralGuardians. For a series of complex reasons Christianity also tends to be the [[DesignatedVillain Designated]] VillainByDefault in expressions and media portrayals of anti-religious sentiment.

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In Eastern Nations, in former colonies, Christianity may be a minority but on account of missionary activities it has greatly impacted the Education and Cultural life of the elites, which has nonetheless kept Christian tradition and its roles, positive and negative, in public memory. The political and cultural revolutions on behalf of freedom of speech in France, England, United States, Italy, Germany has rested on the separation of the Church and State, and this has led to Christianity in the position of the DesignatedVillain in many anti-censorship fights in the Western World (Galileo, Darwin etc), and it is still greatly perceived, and resented for being MoralGuardians. For a series of complex reasons reasons, Christianity also tends to be the [[DesignatedVillain Designated]] VillainByDefault in expressions and media portrayals of anti-religious sentiment.
sentiment, [[MoralMyopia even if the grievance in question leveled against Christianity can be found outside it]].
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In Eastern Nations, in former colonies, Christianity may be a minority but on account of missionary activities it has greatly impacted the Education and Cultural life of the elites, which has nonetheless kept Christian tradition and its roles, positive and negative, in public memory. The political and cultural revolutions on behalf of freedom of speech in France, England, United States, Italy, Germany has rested on the separation of the Church and State, and this has led to Christianity in the position of the DesignatedVillain in many anti-censorship fights in the Western World (Galileo, Darwin etc), and it is still greatly perceived, and resented for being MoralGuardians. This has also led to Christianity being the [[DesignatedVillain Designated]] VillainByDefault in expressions and media portrayals of anti-religious sentiment.

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In Eastern Nations, in former colonies, Christianity may be a minority but on account of missionary activities it has greatly impacted the Education and Cultural life of the elites, which has nonetheless kept Christian tradition and its roles, positive and negative, in public memory. The political and cultural revolutions on behalf of freedom of speech in France, England, United States, Italy, Germany has rested on the separation of the Church and State, and this has led to Christianity in the position of the DesignatedVillain in many anti-censorship fights in the Western World (Galileo, Darwin etc), and it is still greatly perceived, and resented for being MoralGuardians. This has also led to For a series of complex reasons Christianity being also tends to be the [[DesignatedVillain Designated]] VillainByDefault in expressions and media portrayals of anti-religious sentiment.
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In modern history, Christianity is arguably the most mocked religion in mainstream media (while debatable, this is not without precedent; on this very wiki alone [[UpToEleven Christianity has its own folder on this page while no other religion does]] and the Bible's page had to be locked against edits due to disproportionate amount of edit wars and flame wars it was subject to). The basic truth however is that Christianity, in all its sects, is the World's major and leading religion, it is the dominant religious tradition in the Western nations and Western nations have a disproportionate hold on the global media, so Christianity's [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement perceived negatives]] at times get over-represented or exaggerated. sentiment.

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In modern history, Christianity is arguably the most mocked religion in mainstream media (while debatable, this is not without precedent; on this very wiki alone [[UpToEleven Christianity has its own folder on this page while no other religion does]] and the Bible's page had to be locked against edits due to disproportionate amount of edit wars and flame wars it was subject to). The basic truth however is that Christianity, in all its sects, is the World's major and leading religion, it is the dominant religious tradition in the Western nations and Western nations have a disproportionate hold on the global media, so Christianity's [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement perceived negatives]] at times get over-represented or exaggerated. sentiment.\n
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In the Culture Wars of TheNoughties, atheism came as a response to the religious right, Creationism and the rise of Islamic fundamentalism. This militancy also comes from a feeling that it's hard to find a happy, well-adjusted, or optimistic individual on (American) television who is an openly avowed atheist. Not appearing to practice or even mention religion at all is fine for everyone, but it's generally only characters with a fair degree of cynicism and bitterness who can state outright that they don't believe there is a God, or even that they severely doubt God exists (however the latter is agnostic, not atheist). Perhaps this is due to the fact that one of the most prominent real-life atheists, Madalyn Murray O'Hair, was also known for her abrasive personality and her tragic end. In fact, it is notable that very few TV atheists are portrayed as having come to this conclusion by dispassionate consideration of the evidence but, much more likely, they have some tragedy in their past, such as a CynicismCatalyst. As a corollary, such characters often reverse or at least re-examine these views after something good happens to them (often in a VerySpecialEpisode or a DoTheyKnowItsChristmasTime), even if nothing in the episode suggested a supernatural influence. See, for example, House on ''Series/{{House}}'', Mal on ''Series/{{Firefly}}'', or the film ''Film/{{Signs}}''. Less prevalent in Europe, where non-religious people make up for a sizable portion of the population. See also HollywoodAtheist.

The common stereotype in recent works, is that despite professing atheism, [[NotSoDifferent there are many atheists who assert their belief "There is no God" in the same manner a religious person does, feel just as offended if stated otherwise and can also have a narrow-minded zeal for their beliefs]]

* It doesn't help that the VocalMinority often come off as being antitheists (or that they subdivide and split hairs by using terms such as 'antitheist' in a manner not unlike Christian heretical denunciations) -- holding that not only does God not exist, but that it would be rather awful if it was true, for a variety of reasons, such as Him being an "eternal supervising parent," or holding that mainstream religious conceptions of God are immoral -- e.g., it is held that the God who ordered the [[FinalSolution genocide of the Amalekites]] (to pick an extreme example), if He existed, would not be a worthy or moral steward of the universe. Anti-theism in this sense is generally deployed by most atheists as a rebuttal to the argument that religion is exceptionally comforting in a way that atheism cannot be. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement While some are known for these traits in real-life]], anti-theists are often portrayed as [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch despising religion/a religion despite knowing little to nothing about what they hate or even trying to learn]], being simply bigoted (portrayed [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero both]] [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain ways]]) against religious people and even [[SelectiveObliviousness ignoring the good religion has inspired, such as charity]] or [[TurbulentPriest the times religion has opposed corrupt regimes]]. Perhaps this is due to the fact that one of the most prominent real-life anti-theists, Richard Dawkins, is known for these traits; such were noted by some in his controversial book endorsing anti-theism called 'the God delusion' (a book many atheists draw their arguments from despite the fact that many, even among atheists themselves, consider the case it presents and/or the way it presents it questionable).

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In the Culture Wars of TheNoughties, atheism came as a response to the religious right, Creationism and the rise of Islamic fundamentalism. This militancy also comes from a feeling that it's hard to find a happy, well-adjusted, or optimistic individual on (American) television who is an openly avowed atheist. Not appearing to practice or even mention religion at all is fine for everyone, but it's generally only characters with a fair degree of cynicism and bitterness who can state outright that they don't believe there is a God, or even that they severely doubt God exists (however the latter is agnostic, not atheist). Perhaps this is due to the fact that one of the most prominent real-life atheists, Madalyn Murray O'Hair, was also known for her abrasive personality and her tragic end. end; kidnapped and murdered by a of a member of her organization, American Atheists, for exposing his violent criminal past and his theft of money from her organization. In fact, it is notable that very few TV atheists are portrayed as having come to this conclusion by dispassionate consideration of the evidence but, much more likely, they have some tragedy in their past, such as a CynicismCatalyst. CynicismCatalyst or gave up after a crisis of faith. This is compounded by the fact that [[NotSoDifferent there are real-life atheists who assert their belief "There is no God" as passionately as a religious person can assert there is, get just as offended if contradicted and can also have a narrow-minded zeal for their beliefs]]. As a corollary, such characters often reverse or at least re-examine these views after something good happens to them (often in a VerySpecialEpisode or a DoTheyKnowItsChristmasTime), even if nothing in the episode suggested a supernatural influence. See, for example, House on ''Series/{{House}}'', Mal on ''Series/{{Firefly}}'', or the film ''Film/{{Signs}}''. Less prevalent in Europe, where non-religious people make up for a sizable portion of the population. See also HollywoodAtheist.

The common stereotype in recent works, is that despite professing atheism, [[NotSoDifferent there are many atheists who assert their belief "There is no God" in the same manner a religious person does, feel just as offended if stated otherwise and can also have a narrow-minded zeal for their beliefs]]

* It doesn't help that the VocalMinority often come off as being antitheists (or that they subdivide and split hairs by using terms such as 'antitheist' [[NotSoDifferent in a manner not unlike Christian heretical denunciations) denunciations]]) -- holding that not only does God not exist, but that it would be rather awful if it was true, for a variety of reasons, such as Him being an "eternal supervising parent," or holding that mainstream religious conceptions of God are immoral -- e.g., it is held that the God who ordered the [[FinalSolution genocide of the Amalekites]] (to pick an extreme example), if He existed, would not be a worthy or moral steward of the universe. Anti-theism in this sense is generally deployed by most atheists as a rebuttal to the argument that religion is exceptionally comforting in a way that atheism cannot be. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement While some are known for these traits in real-life]], anti-theists in fiction are often portrayed as [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch despising religion/a religion despite knowing little to nothing about what they hate or even not trying to learn]], being simply bigoted bigoted against religious people (portrayed [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero both]] [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain ways]]) against religious people and even [[SelectiveObliviousness ignoring the good religion has inspired, such as charity]] or [[TurbulentPriest the times religion has opposed corrupt regimes]]. Perhaps this is due to the fact that one of the most prominent real-life anti-theists, Richard Dawkins, is known for these traits; such were noted by some of which have been observed in his controversial book endorsing anti-theism called 'the God delusion' (a book many atheists draw their arguments from despite the fact that many, even among atheists themselves, consider the case it presents and/or the way it presents it questionable).
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Some followers of Christianity perceive themselves to be excessively mocked in many places and varieties, ranging from subtle online jokes to open ridicule in Western media. They have argued that this makes Christianity the most mocked religion in mainstream media (though not without precedent; on this very wiki alone [[UpToEleven Christianity has its own folder on this page while no other religion does]] and the Bible's page had to be locked against edits due to edit wars and flame wars). The basic truth however is that Christianity, in all its sects, is the World's major and leading religion, it is the dominant religious tradition in the Western nations and Western nations have a disproportionate hold on the global media, so Christianity's [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement perceived negatives]] at times get over-represented or exaggerated. sentiment.

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Some followers of In modern history, Christianity perceive themselves to be excessively mocked in many places and varieties, ranging from subtle online jokes to open ridicule in Western media. They have argued that this makes Christianity is arguably the most mocked religion in mainstream media (though (while debatable, this is not without precedent; on this very wiki alone [[UpToEleven Christianity has its own folder on this page while no other religion does]] and the Bible's page had to be locked against edits due to disproportionate amount of edit wars and flame wars).wars it was subject to). The basic truth however is that Christianity, in all its sects, is the World's major and leading religion, it is the dominant religious tradition in the Western nations and Western nations have a disproportionate hold on the global media, so Christianity's [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement perceived negatives]] at times get over-represented or exaggerated. sentiment.



Christianity being a large diverse religion has also been involved in several questionable policies and events over the centuries (UsefulNotes/TheCrusades, UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition). It is often criticized among other religious groups for its missionary activities and its role in suppression and hijacking of pagan rituals and persecuting other religions, which it must be stated is not exclusive to Christian or Abrahamic faiths, instances are common among all religions. There is also the bloody wars it has waged among various sects, and sometimes inside various sects. The religion is also a target by Christian artists, such as Creator/GrahamGreene and others, [[WhatTheHellHero for its failings to live up to its ideals]], the hypocrisy in worshipping a Prophet who claimed peace, condemned greed, befriended prostitutes and the downtrodden yet opposing any reform or revolution, being critical of sexuality and persecuting prostitutes and homosexuals as MoralGuardians, supporting Kings, Aristocrats and Businessmen, and sparking various wars of conquest. Indeed, Christian satire and criticism in the mainstream often separates [[JesusWasWayCool Jesus]] from the actions of various Christian sects (though the treatment that The Bible, the Christian holy book, gets is more [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement varied]]) and the defining criticism of Christianity is often {{Hypocrisy}}, again which it must be stated is not exclusive to Christianity, the Abrahamic faiths or religion, people from all walks of life are hypocritical at some point or another. An example is, Creator/{{Moliere}}'s ''Tartuffe'' a con-man who poses as a priest, is a proverbial byword for two-faced corruption.

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Christianity being a large diverse religion has also been involved in several questionable policies and events over the centuries (UsefulNotes/TheCrusades, UsefulNotes/TheSpanishInquisition). It is often criticized among other religious groups for its missionary activities and its role in suppression and hijacking of pagan rituals and persecuting other religions, which it must be stated is not exclusive to Christian or Abrahamic faiths, instances are common among all religions. There is also the bloody wars it has waged among various sects, and sometimes inside various sects. The religion is also a target by Christian artists, such as Creator/GrahamGreene and others, [[WhatTheHellHero for its failings to live up to its ideals]], the hypocrisy in worshipping a Prophet who claimed peace, condemned greed, befriended prostitutes and the downtrodden yet opposing any reform or revolution, being critical of sexuality and persecuting prostitutes and homosexuals as MoralGuardians, supporting Kings, Aristocrats and Businessmen, and sparking various wars of conquest. Indeed, Christian satire and criticism in the mainstream often separates [[JesusWasWayCool Jesus]] from the actions of various Christian sects (though the treatment that The Bible, the Christian holy book, gets is Bible tends to get more [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement varied]]) varied or contentious]] treatment) and the defining criticism of Christianity is often {{Hypocrisy}}, again which it must be stated is not exclusive to Christianity, the Abrahamic faiths or religion, people from all walks of life are hypocritical at some point or another. An example is, Creator/{{Moliere}}'s ''Tartuffe'' a con-man who poses as a priest, is a proverbial byword for two-faced corruption.
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