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14th Sep '17 6:49:20 PM ImpudentInfidel
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*** The two systems also produce completely different kinds of clones. Spaarti clones are exact duplicates with memories and skills intact, while Kamino clones are just a bunch of guys with the same DNA (and optionally growth acceleration) who have to be trained from scratch.
14th Sep '17 3:37:30 PM ImpudentInfidel
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*** This one actually doesn't pan out for him. In the finale Bilbringi is effortlessly infiltrated by the combined fleets of all the smugglers with nobody the wiser until they shoot their way out.
20th Aug '17 10:39:28 PM GrammarNavi
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For an idea of just how much of the StarWarsExpandedUniverse canon got its start in these books, go [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Heir_to_the_Empire#Appearances here,]] [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Force_Rising#Appearances here]] and [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Last_Command#Appearances here]] and note how many times the phrase "first appearance" comes up. These novels basically ''invented'' the New Republic that the Rebellion became. A few years later, Zahn wrote the HandOfThrawn duology.

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For an idea of just how much of the StarWarsExpandedUniverse canon got its start in these books, go [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Heir_to_the_Empire#Appearances here,]] [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Force_Rising#Appearances here]] and [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Last_Command#Appearances here]] and note how many times the phrase "first appearance" comes up. These novels basically ''invented'' the New Republic that the Rebellion became. A few years later, Zahn wrote the HandOfThrawn ''Literature/HandOfThrawn'' duology.



** The [[AllThereInTheManual Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook]] mentions that this Mind Trick was several degrees nastier than what Obi-Wan and Luke were willing to do. Pellaeon's willpower was permanently reduced by what C'baoth did--though considering the things he was willing to work for [[JediAcademyTrilogy in later]] [[HandOfThrawn books]], it must have been formidable from the start.

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** The [[AllThereInTheManual Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook]] mentions that this Mind Trick was several degrees nastier than what Obi-Wan and Luke were willing to do. Pellaeon's willpower was permanently reduced by what C'baoth did--though considering the things he was willing to work for [[JediAcademyTrilogy [[Literature/JediAcademyTrilogy in later]] [[HandOfThrawn [[Literature/HandOfThrawn books]], it must have been formidable from the start.



** And perhaps the most glaring of all is that Rogue Squadron is treated as just another fighter squadron and Wedge Antilles is specifically called out as a 'lowly starfighter wing commander' and Luke has to remind the Council who he is. When the ExpandedUniverse drastically increased the importance and recognition of Wedge and the Rogues (for example, in later stories that take place chronologically earlier, Wedge is almost a right-hand man to Admiral Ackbar with the latter having expressed a desire to make that status official and promote Wedge to general[[note]]Something that chronologically would happen just days after Thrawn's defeat, in the eighth book of the ComicBook/XWingSeries.[[/note]], and instrumental to liberating Coruscant), Zahn was careful to correct this in ''HandOfThrawn''. In a society more like modern Earth's, a "lowly starfighter wing commander" would be about right, but given Wedge's own record and that [[FridgeBrilliance Zahn notes that the Republic tends to rely too much on symbols]], it would make a lot of sense for the Rogues to have no small amount of fame.

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** And perhaps the most glaring of all is that Rogue Squadron is treated as just another fighter squadron and Wedge Antilles is specifically called out as a 'lowly starfighter wing commander' and Luke has to remind the Council who he is. When the ExpandedUniverse drastically increased the importance and recognition of Wedge and the Rogues (for example, in later stories that take place chronologically earlier, Wedge is almost a right-hand man to Admiral Ackbar with the latter having expressed a desire to make that status official and promote Wedge to general[[note]]Something that chronologically would happen just days after Thrawn's defeat, in the eighth book of the ComicBook/XWingSeries.[[/note]], and instrumental to liberating Coruscant), Zahn was careful to correct this in ''HandOfThrawn''.''Literature/HandOfThrawn''. In a society more like modern Earth's, a "lowly starfighter wing commander" would be about right, but given Wedge's own record and that [[FridgeBrilliance Zahn notes that the Republic tends to rely too much on symbols]], it would make a lot of sense for the Rogues to have no small amount of fame.



* FantasticRacism: If it doesn't introduce the theme into the series, it definitely makes clear that the Empire was incredibly speciesist, and Thrawn is a ''major'' exception instead to the rule. Even then, he's relegated to clearing up the Unknown Regions instead of running things closer to home...although that's later [[HandOfThrawn called into question]]. (Indeed, for someone as ruthlessly pragmatic as the Emperor, speciesism isn't particularly believable; more likely, to some, that he simply encouraged it as another means of division and control.) Ironically, Thrawn shows what could be speciesism himself in his dealings with the Noghri, though that could just be (as exemplified in later books) Chiss CulturalPosturing: while recognzing their skill and understanding important aspects of their culture, he clearly shows little interest or respect for them as people.

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* FantasticRacism: If it doesn't introduce the theme into the series, it definitely makes clear that the Empire was incredibly speciesist, and Thrawn is a ''major'' exception instead to the rule. Even then, he's relegated to clearing up the Unknown Regions instead of running things closer to home...although that's later [[HandOfThrawn [[Literature/HandOfThrawn called into question]]. (Indeed, for someone as ruthlessly pragmatic as the Emperor, speciesism isn't particularly believable; more likely, to some, that he simply encouraged it as another means of division and control.) Ironically, Thrawn shows what could be speciesism himself in his dealings with the Noghri, though that could just be (as exemplified in later books) Chiss CulturalPosturing: while recognzing their skill and understanding important aspects of their culture, he clearly shows little interest or respect for them as people.



** The second time, the situation was similar, but the mook had shown quick thinking and inventiveness, even if he'd failed. Instead of killing him, Thrawn promoted him and told him to perfect the tactic he'd used. [[HandOfThrawn He did.]]

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** The second time, the situation was similar, but the mook had shown quick thinking and inventiveness, even if he'd failed. Instead of killing him, Thrawn promoted him and told him to perfect the tactic he'd used. [[HandOfThrawn [[Literature/HandOfThrawn He did.]]
7th Aug '17 6:23:38 PM ErikModi
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* INeverSaidItWasPoison: [[TooDumbToLive Niles Ferrier]].

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* INeverSaidItWasPoison: [[TooDumbToLive Niles Ferrier]]. [[spoiler: Ferrier had paid off an Imperial lieutenant and his squad to attack a meeting of smugglers where Talon Karrde was trying to convince them to band together and help the New Republic against the Empire, so Ferrier could infiltrate them more deeply. Thrawn had specifically ordered the local Imperial garrison to leave the meeting alone, knowing the smugglers would refuse Karrde and go their own ways, but after some of them are killed in the Imperial attack, the smugglers ''do'' band together. Thrawn has Ferrier plant data in Karrde's ship at the start of the next meeting, implicating Karrde as the one who hired the Imperials. It would have worked, except Ferrier dropped the name of the Lieutenant in question without having heard anyone mention it.]]
14th Jul '17 6:12:44 AM JediGoalie30
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* MirrorMatch: Luke faces one at the climax of ''The Last Command'' when Joruus C'Baoth forces him into a lightsaber duel against a clone of himself. [[spoiler: Mara kills the clone Luuke, thus fulfilling the Emperor's last command to her.]]
23rd Jun '17 12:30:21 PM DragonRanger
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** Zahn based his description of Talon Karrde on the character of Avon from ''Series/Blakes7'', who was clean-shaven. Thuse, there was no mention of Karrde having facial hair. However over time the depictions of Karrde have given him beards and/or mustaches.

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** Zahn based his description of Talon Karrde on the character of Avon from ''Series/Blakes7'', ''Series/BlakesSeven'', who was clean-shaven. Thuse, there was no mention of Karrde having facial hair. However over time the depictions of Karrde have given him beards and/or mustaches.


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* PromotionNotPunishment: The second tractor beam operator in Book 3 benefits from this. Skywalker had gotten away, yes, but not for lack of trying; and Thrawn liked the operator's problem-solving skills and his taking responsibility. Contrast the first operator in Book 1, who had screwed up something he should have known and tried to pin the blame on someone else.
22nd Jun '17 6:40:48 AM JediGoalie30
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** [[DiscussedTrope Discussed]] when Thrawn explains to Pellaeon exactly what happened during the [[Film/ReturnOfTheJedi Battle of Endor]]. Thrawn claimed that, because Palpatine was using [[JediMindTrick mind control]] to coordinate his forces in battle, his death led to a high level of fleet-wide disorganization that resulted in the loss of the ''Super''-class Star Destroyer ''Executor'', six other ''Imperial''-class Star Destroyers, the Death Star, and the Endor garrison, which changed the course of the battle from what should have been the LastStand of the Rebellion into a [[EpicFail catastrophic defeat]] for the Empire. Pellaeon, who was present at the battle, initially tries to argue that Palpatine was not personally directing the fleet and the losses were a result of battle stress, but is rebuffed by Thrawn. During a later battle where Thrawn has C'Baoth using the same type of mind control to coordinate three separate engagements, Pellaeon compares the fleet's current performance against it's historical benchmarks and notes a 40% improvement across every measurable category, and he reluctantly admits to himself that the issue is no longer open to argument.
13th May '17 5:48:29 PM lorgskyegon
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** He also realize that a light-year is an enormous distance; when Luke's X-Wing is determined to be somewhere within a light-year of Thrawn's Star Destroyer, Thrawn hires mercenaries to find it since it would take too long to search for themselves. Just because hyperdrive allows ''traveling'' along such a distance very rapidly doesn't mean that ''searching'' every inch of that light-year is an easy prospect.

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** He also realize that a light-year is an enormous distance; when Luke's X-Wing is determined to be somewhere within a light-year of Thrawn's Star Destroyer, Thrawn hires mercenaries to find it since it would take too long to search for themselves. Just because hyperdrive allows ''traveling'' along such a distance very rapidly doesn't mean that ''searching'' every inch of that light-year finding a 40-foot ship in a cubic light year is an easy prospect.
29th Apr '17 11:31:23 AM nombretomado
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A trilogy of novels written by TimothyZahn that form part of the old [[Franchise/StarWarsLegends Star Wars Expanded Universe]].

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A trilogy of novels written by TimothyZahn Creator/TimothyZahn that form part of the old [[Franchise/StarWarsLegends Star Wars Expanded Universe]].
21st Apr '17 5:07:27 PM Golondrina
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* SeanConneryIsAboutToShootYou: ''Dark Force Rising'' - Creator/HarrisonFord is about to shoot you while MarkHamill is about to lightsaber you.

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* SeanConneryIsAboutToShootYou: ''Dark Force Rising'' - Creator/HarrisonFord is about to shoot you while MarkHamill Creator/MarkHamill is about to lightsaber you.
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