History Literature / TheThrawnTrilogy

21st Jan '17 5:06:36 AM Morgenthaler
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** Averted with Thrawn, who is certainly ruthless but treats his subordinates well (with the exception of those he finds unsalvageably inept). He's certainly a better man than C'baoth, Vader, or Palpatine. Later-written books, most notably ''OutboundFlight'', still have him as very ambiguous and ruthless, but somewhat less villainous and more of a WellIntentionedExtremist type.

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** Averted with Thrawn, who is certainly ruthless but treats his subordinates well (with the exception of those he finds unsalvageably inept). He's certainly a better man than C'baoth, Vader, or Palpatine. Later-written books, most notably ''OutboundFlight'', ''Literature/OutboundFlight'', still have him as very ambiguous and ruthless, but somewhat less villainous and more of a WellIntentionedExtremist type.



* SecondHandStorytelling: Something very strange happened on Wayland between the Emperor's last visit and Thrawn's arrival there. A gestating clone of Jorus C'Baoth (why was he being grown?) broke free from his restraints, fought and killed the Dark Side user that the Emperor left to guard the facility and took it over. Zahn's notes in the annotated 20th Anniversary Edition dispel the fan-theory that Joruus actually was the guardian of the mountain, and forgot it (and OutboundFlight makes it very likely that Joruus didn't even have "clone madness", since his behavior was very similar to that of the real Jorus C'Baoth). He also implies that the guardian of the mountain was actually a Sith, and not a specially trained Force-user like Mara Jade. Unfortunately no more clues to what happened are ever offered.

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* SecondHandStorytelling: Something very strange happened on Wayland between the Emperor's last visit and Thrawn's arrival there. A gestating clone of Jorus C'Baoth (why was he being grown?) broke free from his restraints, fought and killed the Dark Side user that the Emperor left to guard the facility and took it over. Zahn's notes in the annotated 20th Anniversary Edition dispel the fan-theory that Joruus actually was the guardian of the mountain, and forgot it (and OutboundFlight Literature/OutboundFlight makes it very likely that Joruus didn't even have "clone madness", since his behavior was very similar to that of the real Jorus C'Baoth). He also implies that the guardian of the mountain was actually a Sith, and not a specially trained Force-user like Mara Jade. Unfortunately no more clues to what happened are ever offered.
20th Jan '17 1:39:29 PM Galvatron29
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** Thrawn is introduced as a blatant counter-example to Darth Vader, frequently ruminating on Thrawn's more forgiving treatment of his subordinate vs. Vader's tendency to kill them for minor mistakes.

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** Thrawn is introduced as a blatant counter-example to Darth Vader, with Pellaeon frequently ruminating on Thrawn's more forgiving treatment of his subordinate subordinates vs. Vader's counter-productive tendency to kill them for minor mistakes.
20th Jan '17 1:37:56 PM Galvatron29
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** Thrawn is introduced as a blatant counter-example to Darth Vader, who in the thoughts of Palaeon gets exposed as a completely incompetent military commander.

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** Thrawn is introduced as a blatant counter-example to Darth Vader, who in the thoughts frequently ruminating on Thrawn's more forgiving treatment of Palaeon gets exposed as a completely incompetent military commander.his subordinate vs. Vader's tendency to kill them for minor mistakes.
17th Jan '17 11:41:18 AM kensu
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* OutOfCharacterMoment: When Thrawn kills the tractor beam operator. Even factoring in such things as Thrawn's brutal treatment of the Noghri, and the fact that he felt the operator was incompetent it seems unlikely that Thrawn would waste a resource like that. (He could have been reassigned as CannonFodder.) It should be noted that the entire sequence of events which lead to his death was a result of a cameo contest at a convention, and the fans voted that the character should die, so Zahn didn't really have a choice.
10th Jan '17 3:23:52 PM Bissek
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* TortureIsIneffective: Thrawn torturing the location of the ''Katana'' Fleet out of Karrde doesn't work, although Karrde says it's just because Thrawn was still on the food-and-sleep-deprivation phase when Luke and Mara break him out.

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* TortureIsIneffective: Thrawn torturing the location of the ''Katana'' Fleet out of Karrde doesn't work, although Karrde says it's just because Thrawn was still on the food-and-sleep-deprivation phase when Luke and Mara break him out. [[spoiler:When Thrawn gets his hands on a second person with information on the fleet's location, he doesn't even bother with attempting to torture the man - he just bribes the man for the coordinates.]]
11th Dec '16 5:59:49 PM ImpudentInfidel
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*** It also helps that other HumanAlien species were introduced in the mean time; when the book first came out the setting was notable for avoiding it.
3rd Dec '16 2:19:06 PM Outis
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** The difference was that the first one had a situation whose solution was clearly stated in the training manual, while the second hadn't been solved by anyone yet. The second officer also took responsibility for the failure. The first one did not, and ''tried to pin the blame on his superior officer.'' One speculates whether he would have kept his head if he had just admitted his mistake; Thrawn doesn't punish failure, just irredeemable stupidity. To Thrawn, doing this the way Vader and Palpatine did is stupid because killing failures leads to less innovation, and also people fight more effectively when their leader inspires them.

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** The difference was that the first one had a situation whose solution was clearly stated in the training manual, while the second hadn't been solved by anyone yet. The second officer also took responsibility for the failure. The first one did not, and ''tried to pin the blame on his superior officer.'' One speculates whether he would have kept his head if he had just admitted his mistake; Thrawn doesn't punish failure, failure (not with death, anyway), just irredeemable stupidity. To Thrawn, doing this the way Vader and Palpatine did is stupid because killing failures leads to less innovation, and also people fight more effectively when their leader inspires them.
9th Nov '16 9:52:51 PM ErikModi
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* AuthorCatchphrase: Using "the other" as an alternative to a character name when describing dialogue (as in, "...Han said to the other"), as well as "Luke reached out with the Force" and "...it was all over".

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* AuthorCatchphrase: Using "the other" as an alternative to a character name when describing dialogue (as in, "...Han said to the other"), as well as "Luke reached out with the Force" and "...it was all over". Also, a very large proportion of his characters are "sardonic" in some way.
4th Nov '16 11:27:28 AM ErikModi
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** There's also the commander of the Bilbringi shipyards, who clearly expects to be on the receiving end of this trope after some smugglers blow up a nearly-completed Star Destroyer. Instead, Thrawn gives him until the ''Chimaera'' leaves the system to design and implement a new security system to prevent such a thing from happening again. Thrawn notes that this particular officer is quite competent, but simply has a tendency to get complacent. . . a tendency which, for the moment at least, he should be cured of.
4th Nov '16 11:20:56 AM ErikModi
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* WhamLine: A few examples. One is where the Noghri maitrakh reveals to Leia that "thirdson" does not mean "third son" but "great-grandson", revealing that [[spoiler:the Noghri have deliberately been kept in, at best, indentured servitude by the Empire for ''generations'']].

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* WhamLine: A few examples. One is where the Noghri maitrakh reveals to Leia that "thirdson" does not mean "third son" but "great-grandson", revealing that [[spoiler:the Noghri have deliberately been kept in, at best, indentured servitude by the Empire for ''generations'']]. Another one on Wayland, interesting in that's it's something the ''audience'' already knows.
-->'''Mara''': Who's this "Son of Vader" you're expecting to show up and help us?
-->'''Ekhrikhor''': He travels with you. You serve him, as do we.
-->'''Mara''': You don't mean. . . ''[[EurekaMoment Skywalker?]]''
-->'''Ekhrikhor''': You did not know?
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