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* CloningBlues: In a robotic version, Freya describes how she and other [=AIs=] similar to herself are created. [=AIs=] with human-level intelligence take as long as a human would take to develop, so no [[InstantAIJustAddWater instant AI]], with one loophole: an AI can be duplicated easily. The standard procedure for artificial beings like her was to raise one prototype as desired than clone the AI into identical bodies.
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* {{Sexbot}}: Freya is a sexbot in a world where humanity is extinct, making her existence almost pointless -- though for some reason, the majority of the robot population is capable of having and enjoying sex anyways. It's not just the humaniforms; interplanetary transports provide "internal massages" to their passengers, both to pass the time and to pad them against acceleration, but probably the most questionable example is when Freya has sex with a sentient ''hotel''. These aren't leftovers from when humans were still around: both transports and hotel are explicitly designed for the robot population.

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* {{Sexbot}}: Freya is a sexbot in a world where humanity is extinct, making her existence almost pointless -- though for some reason, the majority of the robot population is capable of having and enjoying sex anyways. It's not just the humaniforms; interplanetary transports provide "internal massages" to their passengers, both to pass the time and to pad them against acceleration, but probably the most questionable example is when Freya has sex with a sentient ''hotel''. These aren't leftovers from when humans were still around: both transports and hotel are explicitly designed for the robot population. Possibly justified by the AI minds being based on human minds, and (let's face it) sex is one of the primary drivers of human behavior.

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By the 23rd century Mankind has died out, leaving the intelligent robots they created to carry on as best they can. Independent and self-sustaining, the robots struggle to find purpose in their "lives". Freya Nakamichi is one of these robots: created as a SexBot, she now has no reason to exist (seeing as there are no more humans around to sex up). While visiting Venus, Freya gets into trouble with some high-ranking robots. With things getting too hot for her, Freya is thankful to find a courier job that will take her off-planet. Unfortunately, the package she's carrying turns out to contain a secret that many robots would kill to possess...or die to destroy.


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By the 23rd century Mankind has died out, leaving the intelligent robots they created to carry on as best they can. Independent and self-sustaining, the robots struggle to find purpose in their "lives". Freya Nakamichi is one of these robots: created as a SexBot, {{Sexbot}}, she now has no reason to exist (seeing as there are no more humans around to sex up). While visiting Venus, Freya gets into trouble with some high-ranking robots. With things getting too hot for her, Freya is thankful to find a courier job that will take her off-planet. Unfortunately, the package she's carrying turns out to contain a secret that many robots would kill to possess...or die to destroy.




* AfterTheEnd: ''Saturn's Children'' explores a Solar System inhabited only by robots centuries after the mysterious extinction of humanity.

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* AfterTheEnd: ''Saturn's Children'' explores a The Solar System is inhabited only by robots centuries after the mysterious extinction of humanity.



* AscendedFridgeHorror: Freya was programmed to be overwhelmed by feelings of submission and subservience at the merest sight of ''Homo sapiens'', and totally unable to go against their slightest whim --how, [[DontAsk you may ask]], do you condition a robot to behave in such a way? Later on in the novel, we find out that [[HumansAreBastards Freya's long-dead designers]] did so by [[spoiler:[[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil inflicting traumatic sexual abuse on her during her "adolescence"]].]]
* CloningBlues: In a robotic version, the protagonist of ''Saturn's Children'' is a sexbot who describes how she, and other AIs similar to herself are created. AI's with human-level intelligence take as long as a human would take to develop, so no [[InstantAIJustAddWater instant AI]], with one loophole: an AI can be duplicated easily. The standard procedure for artificial beings like her was to raise one prototype as desired than clone the AI into identical bodies.
* DeathIsCheap: if you consider restoration from a backup to be "surviving death", then it is indeed cheap. Only you'll need a compatible, unused body, an up-to-date soul chip and someone with the interest of uniting the two. Needless to say, no-one expects any of this to happen. Alternatively, your siblings may ''remember'' you by running your soul chip, but it isn't much like like living again.
* {{Dedication}}: Charles Stross dedicated this {{novel}} to Creator/RobertAHeinlein and Creator/IsaacAsimov.

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* AscendedFridgeHorror: Freya was programmed to be overwhelmed by feelings of submission and subservience at the merest sight of ''Homo sapiens'', and totally unable to go against their slightest whim --how, -- how, [[DontAsk you may ask]], do you condition a robot to behave in such a way? Later on in the novel, we find out that [[HumansAreBastards Freya's long-dead designers]] did so by [[spoiler:[[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil inflicting traumatic sexual abuse on her during her "adolescence"]].]]
"adolescence"]]]].
* CloningBlues: In a robotic version, the protagonist of ''Saturn's Children'' is a sexbot who Freya describes how she, she and other AIs [=AIs=] similar to herself are created. AI's [=AIs=] with human-level intelligence take as long as a human would take to develop, so no [[InstantAIJustAddWater instant AI]], with one loophole: an AI can be duplicated easily. The standard procedure for artificial beings like her was to raise one prototype as desired than clone the AI into identical bodies.
* DeathIsCheap: if If you consider restoration from a backup to be "surviving death", then it is indeed cheap. Only you'll need a compatible, unused body, an up-to-date soul chip and someone with the interest of uniting the two. Needless to say, no-one expects any of this to happen. Alternatively, your siblings may ''remember'' you by running your soul chip, but it isn't much like like living again.
* {{Dedication}}: Charles Stross dedicated this {{novel}} the novel to Creator/RobertAHeinlein and Creator/IsaacAsimov.



* GreyGoo: Neatly inverted--robots think of organic life as "pink goo," reproducing without limit.
* HeartDrive: Most robots have a personality chip to back up their memories/personalities. This can be used to keep them alive by transferring their mind to another body or to learn from dead "siblings." "Wearing" the chip of another robot for too long however can lead to their personality usurping the original owner's and as a back up can take months or years to be fully complete. Threatening to destroy another robot's personality chip is a good way of ensuring they behave themselves.
* {{Homage}}: Though not an overt comedy, ''Saturn's Children'' is a tongue-in-cheek homage/parody of Golden Age SF planetary adventure stories, as well as the works of Creator/RobertAHeinlein and Creator/IsaacAsimov (to whom the book is [[{{Dedication}} dedicated]]).
* HumanitysWake: The story is about humanoid robots living in the wake of humanity's demise.
** Amusingly, we find out in ''Neptune's Brood'' that humanity is resurrected by the robots...only to go extinct again. This happens ''several times''.
* HumansAreCthulhu: Humanity died out long ago and left behind a race of intelligent robots that took its place. ''Saturn's Children'' deals with a plot by a consortium of wealthy robots who are trying to recreate a living human, which could have cataclysmic effects on robot society because obedience to humans is still hard-coded into their programming. A military organization called the "Pink Police" is theoretically dedicated to protecting the sterilized husk of Earth from being infected by new organisms before Humanity can be properly resurrected, but in practice are much more interested in exterminating attempts to bring back the creators.
* IShouldWriteABookAboutThis: At the end of ''Saturn's Children'', we learn that the book we have just read is a message Freya is about to send back to her sisters on Earth, to warn them that [[spoiler: their supposedly long-dead mother Rhea is still alive and dangerously insane]].

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* GreyGoo: Neatly inverted--robots inverted -- robots think of organic life as "pink goo," goo", reproducing without limit.
* HeartDrive: Most robots have a personality chip to back up their memories/personalities. This can be used to keep them alive by transferring their mind to another body or to learn from dead "siblings." "siblings". "Wearing" the chip of another robot for too long however can lead to their personality usurping the original owner's and as a back up can take months or years to be fully complete. Threatening to destroy another robot's personality chip is a good way of ensuring they behave themselves.
* {{Homage}}: Though not an overt comedy, ''Saturn's Children'' the book is a tongue-in-cheek homage/parody of Golden Age SF planetary adventure stories, as well as the works of Creator/RobertAHeinlein and Creator/IsaacAsimov (to whom the book is [[{{Dedication}} dedicated]]).
* HumanitysWake: The story is about humanoid robots living in the wake of humanity's demise.
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demise. Amusingly, we find out in ''Neptune's Brood'' that humanity is was resurrected by the robots...robots... only to go extinct again. This happens happened ''several times''.
* HumansAreCthulhu: Humanity died out long ago and left behind a race of intelligent robots that took its place. ''Saturn's Children'' The plot deals with a plot by a consortium of wealthy robots who are trying to recreate a living human, which could have cataclysmic effects on robot society because obedience to humans is still hard-coded into their programming. A military organization called the "Pink Police" is theoretically dedicated to protecting the sterilized husk of Earth from being infected by new organisms before Humanity can be properly resurrected, but in practice are much more interested in exterminating attempts to bring back the creators.
* IShouldWriteABookAboutThis: At the end of ''Saturn's Children'', end, we learn that the book we have just read is a message Freya is about to send back to her sisters on Earth, to warn them that [[spoiler: their [[spoiler:their supposedly long-dead mother Rhea is still alive and dangerously insane]].



* MercurialBase: In ''Saturn's Children'', there is a city on Mercury that's mounted on tracks that stretch around the planet, and which follows the terminator to avoid getting too hot or too cold. The protagonist's enemies [[spoiler:[[ChainedToARailway tie her to the tracks]] and leave her for dead]].
* MundaneDogmatic actually. No FTL, AI comes from mirroring natural human brains, it is programmed used mundane psychology etc., etc. The robot society is derived from a capitalist economy and also based on all human flaws.
** ''Neptune's Brood'' features a water world covered in an ocean hundreds of kilometers deep, far past the point where it should have frozen from sheer pressure alone. Explaining what keeps it liquid allows Stross to expound on the bizarre ways water acts under extreme heat and pressure.
* MyEyesAreLeaking: In ''Saturn's Children'', Freya is alarmed for a moment when her vision becomes blurred and she registers saline leakage; a surprisingly non-functional response to emotions programmed into her by her long-extinct creators.
* NonIndicativeTitle: For ''Saturn's Children'', while the plot takes place on several different planets and moons in the solar system, Saturn isn't one of them, and there are no children in the story. ''Neptune's Brood'' is set in a completely different solar system, though it ''does'' involve a water world.
** They cease being non-indicative titles once one realizes they reference the actual gods Saturn and Neptune instead of the planets named for them, which is not immediately obvious or something anyone without a good working knowledge of Greco-Roman mythology is ever likely to get.
* NotUsingTheZWord: ''Saturn's Children'' justifies this by explaining the actual term "robot" is considered a FantasticSlur. ''Neptune's Brood'' shows that their technology has advanced to the point where they're basically advanced MechanicalLifeforms based on mechanical cells called mechanocytes, analogous to our biological cells. They just call themselves "metahuman" and refer to old-fashioned biological humans as the "Fragile".
** The word "robot" came from the Czech word "robota" meaning "to work," and to avoid using "the R-word," menial or otherwise-limited mechs are called "arbeiters." Which is just the German word for "worker."

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* MercurialBase: In ''Saturn's Children'', there There is a city on Mercury that's mounted on tracks that stretch around the planet, and which follows the terminator to avoid getting too hot or too cold. The protagonist's Freya's enemies [[spoiler:[[ChainedToARailway tie her to the tracks]] and leave her for dead]].
* MundaneDogmatic actually. MundaneDogmatic: No FTL, AI comes from mirroring natural human brains, it is programmed used mundane psychology psychology, etc., etc. The robot society is derived from a capitalist economy and also based on all human flaws.
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flaws. ''Neptune's Brood'' features a water world covered in an ocean hundreds of kilometers deep, far past the point where it should have frozen from sheer pressure alone. Explaining what keeps it liquid allows Stross to expound on the bizarre ways water acts under extreme heat and pressure.
* MyEyesAreLeaking: In ''Saturn's Children'', Freya is alarmed for a moment when her vision becomes blurred and she registers saline leakage; a surprisingly non-functional response to emotions programmed into her by her long-extinct creators.
* NonIndicativeTitle: For ''Saturn's Children'', while While the plot takes place on several different planets and moons in the solar system, Saturn isn't one of them, and there are no children in the story. ''Neptune's Brood'' is set in a completely different solar system, though it ''does'' involve a water world.
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world. They cease being non-indicative titles once one realizes they reference the actual gods Saturn and Neptune instead of the planets named for them, which is not immediately obvious or something anyone without a good working knowledge of Greco-Roman mythology is ever likely to get.
* NotUsingTheZWord: ''Saturn's Children'' justifies this Justified by explaining that the actual term "robot" -- derived from the Czech word "robota", meaning "to work" -- is considered a FantasticSlur. {{Fantastic Slur|s}}. To avoid using "the R-word", menial or otherwise-limited mechs are called "arbeiters" (which is just the German word for "worker"). ''Neptune's Brood'' shows that their technology has advanced to the point where that they're basically advanced MechanicalLifeforms based on mechanical cells called mechanocytes, analogous to our biological cells. They just call themselves "metahuman" and refer to old-fashioned biological humans as the "Fragile".
** The word "robot" came from the Czech word "robota" meaning "to work," and to avoid using "the R-word," menial or otherwise-limited mechs are called "arbeiters." Which is just the German word for "worker."
"Fragile".



* PlanetOfSteves:
** In ''Saturn's Children'', Freya is "instantiated" from a line of robots who all have the same body and wake up believing they are the original bot, Rhea. Her full name, Freya Nakamichi-47 includes her manufacturer and clone instance number. They avert this by taking individual names. However, she then encounters The Jeeves Corporation, run by a line whom all refer to themselves as Jeeves. Later on, a specific Jeeves is referred to as "Reginald"; fans of Wodehouse won't find this helps the confusion much.
* PlotCoupon: {{Lampshaded}} via pun in ''Saturn's Children'':

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* PlanetOfSteves:
** In ''Saturn's Children'',
PlanetOfSteves: Freya is "instantiated" from a line of robots who all have the same body and wake up believing they are the original bot, Rhea. Her full name, Freya Nakamichi-47 includes her manufacturer and clone instance number. They avert this by taking individual names. However, she then encounters The Jeeves Corporation, run by a line whom all refer to themselves as Jeeves. Later on, a specific Jeeves is referred to as "Reginald"; fans of Wodehouse won't find this helps the confusion much.
* PlotCoupon: {{Lampshaded}} {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d via pun in ''Saturn's Children'':pun:



* RidiculouslyHumanRobots: Justified. The (extinct) "[[ThankTheMaker Creators]]" never figured out how to program self-aware AIs from scratch. Instead, they just copied the way human brains work.

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* RidiculouslyHumanRobots: Justified. The (extinct) "[[ThankTheMaker Creators]]" never figured out how to program self-aware AIs [=AIs=] from scratch. Instead, they just copied the way human brains work.



* RobotReligion: PlayedForLaughs in ''Saturn's Children''. Some robots have examined all the relevant scientific evidence and concluded that robots were intelligently designed by a creator. Others fervently believe that robots evolved from simpler forms by means of natural selection, as described in their holy text: Darwin's ''Origin of Species''...
* RobotsEnslavingRobots: ''Saturn's Children'' is all about this. One of Freya's main worries is ensuring she always has enough money in the bank to never become another robot's property.
* SexBot: The protagonist of ''Saturn's Children'' is a sexbot in a world where humanity is extinct, making her existence almost pointless -- though for some reason, the majority of the robot population is capable of having and enjoying sex anyways. It's not just the humaniforms; interplanetary transports provide "internal massages" to their passengers, both to pass the time and to pad them against acceleration, but probably the most questionable example is when Freya has sex with a sentient ''hotel''. These aren't leftovers from when humans were still around: both transports and hotel are explicitly designed for the robot population.

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* RobotReligion: PlayedForLaughs in ''Saturn's Children''.PlayedForLaughs. Some robots have examined all the relevant scientific evidence and concluded that robots were intelligently designed by a creator. Others fervently believe that robots evolved from simpler forms by means of natural selection, as described in their holy text: Darwin's ''Origin of Species''...
* RobotsEnslavingRobots: ''Saturn's Children'' The book is all about this. One of Freya's main worries is ensuring she always has enough money in the bank to never become another robot's property.
* SexBot: The protagonist of ''Saturn's Children'' {{Sexbot}}: Freya is a sexbot in a world where humanity is extinct, making her existence almost pointless -- though for some reason, the majority of the robot population is capable of having and enjoying sex anyways. It's not just the humaniforms; interplanetary transports provide "internal massages" to their passengers, both to pass the time and to pad them against acceleration, but probably the most questionable example is when Freya has sex with a sentient ''hotel''. These aren't leftovers from when humans were still around: both transports and hotel are explicitly designed for the robot population.



** In addition to numerous {{Shout Out}}s to Creator/RobertHeinlein, ''Saturn's Children'' has a McGuffin disguised as [[Film/TheMalteseFalcon1941 a statue of a black bird]] and an organisation of robot butlers who are all called [[Literature/JeevesAndWooster Jeeves]] [[spoiler: one of whom has taken the name "Reginald"; Jeeves's first name in the books.]]

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** In addition to numerous {{Shout Out}}s shout-outs to Creator/RobertHeinlein, ''Saturn's Children'' the book has a McGuffin MacGuffin disguised as [[Film/TheMalteseFalcon1941 a statue of a black bird]] and an organisation of robot butlers who are all called [[Literature/JeevesAndWooster Jeeves]] [[spoiler: one Jeeves]], [[spoiler:one of whom has taken the name "Reginald"; Jeeves's first name in the books.]]books]].



* SpaceElevator: In ''Saturn's Children'', it's revealed that Mars has a space elevator called Bifrost.
* StarfishRobots: In ''Saturn's Children'', after the demise of humanity, the robots least attached to their creators have formed a new aristocracy, and the SexBot protagonist is despised for her DeceptivelyHumanRobot appearance. Most other robots have a more practical appearance for living and working in outer space or other planets. [[SuperDeformed "Chibiform"]] robots are described as being more efficient (in terms of mass and energy usage) than pure human forms, and the "metahumans" in ''Neptune's Brood'' take on a variety of odd forms, such as giant bats or aquatic creatures.
* TakeThat: While ''Saturn's Children'' is mostly AffectionateParody, there's a few swipes at Heinlein as well; WordOfGod is that the first impetus for the creation of Freya was to ask why anyone's [[Literature/TheNumberOfTheBeast nipples would go "Spung!"]], and there's two separate swipes at the "specialization is for insects" line - at one point Freya notes that ''no-one'' can do most of the things Heinlein's RenaissanceMan can do; as a generalist, her main ability is to find a specialist who can do them for her, and the colony ship requires lots and lots of specialists, and a few generalists to cover everything else. She also has a rather more personal observation on specialisation:

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* SpaceElevator: In ''Saturn's Children'', it's revealed that Mars has a space elevator called Bifrost.
* StarfishRobots: In ''Saturn's Children'', after After the demise of humanity, the robots least attached to their creators have formed a new aristocracy, and the SexBot protagonist Freya is despised for her DeceptivelyHumanRobot appearance. Most other robots have a more practical appearance for living and working in outer space or other planets. [[SuperDeformed "Chibiform"]] robots are described as being more efficient (in terms of mass and energy usage) than pure human forms, and the "metahumans" in ''Neptune's Brood'' take on a variety of odd forms, such as giant bats or aquatic creatures.
* TakeThat: While ''Saturn's Children'' the book is mostly AffectionateParody, there's a few swipes at Heinlein as well; WordOfGod is that the first impetus for the creation of Freya was to ask why anyone's [[Literature/TheNumberOfTheBeast nipples would go "Spung!"]], and there's two separate swipes at the "specialization is for insects" line - -- at one point point, Freya notes that ''no-one'' can do most of the things Heinlein's RenaissanceMan can do; as a generalist, her main ability is to find a specialist who can do them for her, and the colony ship requires lots and lots of specialists, and a few generalists to cover everything else. She also has a rather more personal observation on specialisation:



* ThreeLawsCompliant: In ''Saturn's Children'', the robots were all basically created this way - in fact, the book quotes the three laws right at the beginning. However, with mankind extinct, the first two laws don't come up very often. In fact, the possibility of the first two laws complicating their lives is why ''some'' robots are so thoroughly opposed to the thought of trying to bring man back using genetic records and the like. [[spoiler:And more to the point, why a power-hungry cabal would be keenly interested in having a pet human to inflict on prospective subjects.]]
** It's a bit of a DeconstructedTrope: because the robots were created by mapping human neural nets, the first two laws have to be imposed afterwards. The methods used to do this are [[RapeAsDrama not pleasant]].
** By the time of ''Neptune's Brood'', this has apparently become a non-issue. The "metahumans" don't seem to have these issues and it's mentioned off-hand that humanity has been resurrected ''several'' times in the intervening 5000 years, apparently without issue.
* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman: Mankind is extinct, but the robots he created are still around, and still debating what rules apply to them.
** This is also become a non-issue by the time of ''Neptune's Brood'': Humanity has basically settled out into "fragile" (us) and "metahuman" (our biomechanical descendants).
* WhatWouldXDo: In ''Saturn's Children'', when Freya is posing as "the Honorable Katherine Sorico", she has to keep asking herself "[=WWtHKSd=]?"

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* ThreeLawsCompliant: In ''Saturn's Children'', the The robots were all basically created this way - -- in fact, the book quotes the three laws right at the beginning. However, with mankind extinct, the first two laws don't come up very often. In fact, the possibility of the first two laws complicating their lives is why ''some'' robots are so thoroughly opposed to the thought of trying to bring man back using genetic records and the like. [[spoiler:And more [[spoiler:More to the point, why a power-hungry cabal would be keenly interested in having a pet human to inflict on prospective subjects.]]
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]] It's {{deconstructed|Trope}} a bit of a DeconstructedTrope: bit: because the robots were created by mapping human neural nets, the first two laws have to be imposed afterwards. The methods used to do this are [[RapeAsDrama not pleasant]].
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pleasant]]. By the time of ''Neptune's Brood'', this has apparently become a non-issue. The "metahumans" don't seem to have these issues and it's mentioned off-hand that humanity has been resurrected ''several'' times in the intervening 5000 years, apparently without issue.
* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman: Mankind is extinct, but the robots he created are still around, and still debating what rules apply to them.
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them. This is also become a non-issue by the time of ''Neptune's Brood'': Humanity has basically settled out into "fragile" (us) and "metahuman" (our biomechanical descendants).
* WhatWouldXDo: In ''Saturn's Children'', when When Freya is posing as "the Honorable Katherine Sorico", she has to keep asking herself "[=WWtHKSd=]?"
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* ContemptibleCover: The first edition's US cover of ''Saturn's Children'' was quite controversial, to the point where Stross himself apologized on his blog, basically saying "I'm sorry, it's not my fault". On the other hand, it's not terribly inaccurate, and if you know what the cover of ''Literature/{{Friday}}'' looks like, rather appropriate for a pastiche thereof.
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* MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness: ''Extremely'' hard. Uncomfortably hard. So hard that an alert reader can't help but come away with the impression that the fundamental laws of the universe make human spaceflight thoroughly impractical, if not impossible. Which they do.
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* ContemptibleCover: The first edition's US cover of ''Saturn's Children'' was quite controversial, to the point where Stross himself apologized on his blog, basically saying "I'm sorry, it's not my fault". On the other hand, it's not terribly inaccurate...

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* ContemptibleCover: The first edition's US cover of ''Saturn's Children'' was quite controversial, to the point where Stross himself apologized on his blog, basically saying "I'm sorry, it's not my fault". On the other hand, it's not terribly inaccurate...inaccurate, and if you know what the cover of ''Literature/{{Friday}}'' looks like, rather appropriate for a pastiche thereof.

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* ClimateChange: After humanity went extinct, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything waste heat from the nano-economy combined with indifference from the surviving robots to cause a runaway greenhouse effect on Earth]] (the Gulf of Mexico is described as having reached a roiling boil).


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* GlobalWarming: After humanity went extinct, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything waste heat from the nano-economy combined with indifference from the surviving robots to cause a runaway greenhouse effect on Earth]] (the Gulf of Mexico is described as having reached a roiling boil).

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* ClimateChange: After humanity went extinct, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything waste heat from the nano-economy combined with indifference from the surviving robots to cause a runaway greenhouse effect on Earth]] (the Gulf of Mexico is described as having reached a roiling boil).



* GlobalWarming: After humanity went extinct, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything waste heat from the nano-economy combined with indifference from the surviving robots to cause a runaway greenhouse effect on Earth]] (the Gulf of Mexico is described as having reached a roiling boil).
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* {{Dedication}}: Creator/CharlesStrauss dedicated this {{novel}} to Creator/RobertAHeinlein and Creator/IsaacAsimov.

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* {{Dedication}}: Creator/CharlesStrauss Charles Stross dedicated this {{novel}} to Creator/RobertAHeinlein and Creator/IsaacAsimov.
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** In addition to numerous {{Shout Out}}s to Creator/RobertHeinlein, ''Saturn's Children'' has a McGuffin disguised as [[Film/TheMalteseFalcon a statue of a black bird]] and an organisation of robot butlers who are all called [[Literature/JeevesAndWooster Jeeves]] [[spoiler: one of whom has taken the name "Reginald"; Jeeves's first name in the books.]]

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** In addition to numerous {{Shout Out}}s to Creator/RobertHeinlein, ''Saturn's Children'' has a McGuffin disguised as [[Film/TheMalteseFalcon [[Film/TheMalteseFalcon1941 a statue of a black bird]] and an organisation of robot butlers who are all called [[Literature/JeevesAndWooster Jeeves]] [[spoiler: one of whom has taken the name "Reginald"; Jeeves's first name in the books.]]
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* HeartDrive: Most robots have a personality chip to back up their memories/personalities. This can be used to keep them alive by transferring their mind to another body or to learn from dead "siblings." "Wearing" the chip of another robot for too long however can lead to their personality usurping the original owner's and as a back up can take months or years to be fully complete destroying another robot's personality chip is a good way of ensuring they behave themselves.

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* HeartDrive: Most robots have a personality chip to back up their memories/personalities. This can be used to keep them alive by transferring their mind to another body or to learn from dead "siblings." "Wearing" the chip of another robot for too long however can lead to their personality usurping the original owner's and as a back up can take months or years to be fully complete destroying complete. Threatening to destroy another robot's personality chip is a good way of ensuring they behave themselves.
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* {{Bishoujo}}: The dominant aesthetic among the robot aristocracy. Small, big-eyed, cute robots look down on tall, big-breasted and sexy ones.
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By the 23rd century Mankind has died out, leaving the intelligent robots they created to carry on as best they can. Independent and self-sustaining, the robots struggle to find purpose in their "lives". Freya Nakamichi is one of these robots: created as a SexBot, she now has no reason to exist (seeing as there are no more humans around to sex up). While visiting Venus, Freya gets into trouble with some high-ranking robots. With things getting too hot for her, Freya is thankful to find a courier job that will take her off planet. Unfortunately the package she's carrying turns out to contain a secret that many robots would kill to possess...or die to destroy.


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By the 23rd century Mankind has died out, leaving the intelligent robots they created to carry on as best they can. Independent and self-sustaining, the robots struggle to find purpose in their "lives". Freya Nakamichi is one of these robots: created as a SexBot, she now has no reason to exist (seeing as there are no more humans around to sex up). While visiting Venus, Freya gets into trouble with some high-ranking robots. With things getting too hot for her, Freya is thankful to find a courier job that will take her off planet. Unfortunately off-planet. Unfortunately, the package she's carrying turns out to contain a secret that many robots would kill to possess...or die to destroy.




* AscendedFridgeHorror: Freya was programmed to be overwhelmed by feelings of submission and subservience at the merest sight of ''Homo sapiens'', and totally unable to go against their slightest whim --how, [[DontAsk you may ask]], do you condition a robot to behave in such away? Later on in the novel, we find out that [[HumansAreBastards Freya's long-dead designers]] did so by [[spoiler:[[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil inflicting traumatic sexual abuse on her during her "adolescence"]].]]

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* AscendedFridgeHorror: Freya was programmed to be overwhelmed by feelings of submission and subservience at the merest sight of ''Homo sapiens'', and totally unable to go against their slightest whim --how, [[DontAsk you may ask]], do you condition a robot to behave in such away? a way? Later on in the novel, we find out that [[HumansAreBastards Freya's long-dead designers]] did so by [[spoiler:[[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil inflicting traumatic sexual abuse on her during her "adolescence"]].]]



* CloningBlues: In a robotic version, the protagonist of ''Saturn's Children'' is a sexbot who describes how she, and other AIs similar to herself are created. AI's with human level intelligence take as long as a human would to develop, so no [[InstantAIJustAddWater instant AI]], with one loophole: an AI can be duplicated easily. The standard procedure for artificial beings like her was to raise one prototype as desired than clone the AI into identical bodies.

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* CloningBlues: In a robotic version, the protagonist of ''Saturn's Children'' is a sexbot who describes how she, and other AIs similar to herself are created. AI's with human level human-level intelligence take as long as a human would take to develop, so no [[InstantAIJustAddWater instant AI]], with one loophole: an AI can be duplicated easily. The standard procedure for artificial beings like her was to raise one prototype as desired than clone the AI into identical bodies.



* HeartDrive: Most robots have a personality chip to backup their memories/personalities. This can be used to keep them alive by transferring their mind to another body or to learn from dead "siblings." "Wearing" the chip of another robot for too long however can lead to their personality usurping the original owner's and as a back up can take months or years to be fully complete destroying another robot's personality chip is a good way of ensuring they behave themselves.

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* HeartDrive: Most robots have a personality chip to backup back up their memories/personalities. This can be used to keep them alive by transferring their mind to another body or to learn from dead "siblings." "Wearing" the chip of another robot for too long however can lead to their personality usurping the original owner's and as a back up can take months or years to be fully complete destroying another robot's personality chip is a good way of ensuring they behave themselves.



* HumansAreCthulhu: Humanity died out long ago and left behind a race of intelligent robots that took its place. ''Saturn's Children'' deals with a plot by a consortium of wealthy robots who are trying to recreate a living human, which could have cataclysmic effects on robot society because obedience to humans is still hard-coded into their programming. A military organization called the "Pink Police" is theoretically dedicated to protecting the sterilised husk of Earth from being infected by new organisms before Humanity can be properly resurrected, but in practise are much more interested in exterminating attempts to bring back the creators.
* IShouldWriteABookAboutThis: At the end of ''Saturn's Children'', we learn that the book we have just read is a message Freya is about to send back to her sisters on Earth, to warn them that [[spoiler:their supposedly long-dead mother Rhea is still alive and dangerously insane]].

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* HumansAreCthulhu: Humanity died out long ago and left behind a race of intelligent robots that took its place. ''Saturn's Children'' deals with a plot by a consortium of wealthy robots who are trying to recreate a living human, which could have cataclysmic effects on robot society because obedience to humans is still hard-coded into their programming. A military organization called the "Pink Police" is theoretically dedicated to protecting the sterilised sterilized husk of Earth from being infected by new organisms before Humanity can be properly resurrected, but in practise practice are much more interested in exterminating attempts to bring back the creators.
* IShouldWriteABookAboutThis: At the end of ''Saturn's Children'', we learn that the book we have just read is a message Freya is about to send back to her sisters on Earth, to warn them that [[spoiler:their [[spoiler: their supposedly long-dead mother Rhea is still alive and dangerously insane]].



* MundaneDogmatic actually. No FTL, AI comes from mirroring natural human brains, it is programmed used mundane psychology etc etc. The robot society is derived from capitalism economy and also based on all human flaws.

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* MundaneDogmatic actually. No FTL, AI comes from mirroring natural human brains, it is programmed used mundane psychology etc etc., etc. The robot society is derived from capitalism a capitalist economy and also based on all human flaws.



** They cease being non-indicative titles once one realizes they reference the actual gods Saturn and Neptune instead of the planets named for them, which is not immediately obvious or something anyone without a good working knowlege of Greco-Roman mythology is ever likely to get.

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** They cease being non-indicative titles once one realizes they reference the actual gods Saturn and Neptune instead of the planets named for them, which is not immediately obvious or something anyone without a good working knowlege knowledge of Greco-Roman mythology is ever likely to get.



* RidiculouslyHumanRobots: Justified. The (extinct) "[[ThankTheMaker Creators]]" never figured out how to program self-aware AIs from scratch. Instead they just copied the way human brains work.

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* RidiculouslyHumanRobots: Justified. The (extinct) "[[ThankTheMaker Creators]]" never figured out how to program self-aware AIs from scratch. Instead Instead, they just copied the way human brains work.



** This is also become a non-issue by the time of ''Neptune's Brood'': Humanity has basically settled out into "fragile" (us) and "metahuman" (our biomechanical descendents).

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** This is also become a non-issue by the time of ''Neptune's Brood'': Humanity has basically settled out into "fragile" (us) and "metahuman" (our biomechanical descendents).descendants).
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* FlatEarthAtheist: Most robots, based on design schematics and such, believe that they were created by human beings. A few, however, believe in [[StrawmanPolitical the holy doctrine of Evolution]], and its prophets [[UsefulNotes/CharlesDarwin Darwin]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins Dawkins]], and Gould.
** The religious comparisons only get stranger, when a member of a cartel seeking to bring back humans talks about constructing Tyrannosaurs, as many historical records of the Creators showed humans and dinosaurs living side by side, and doubtless the Creators knew best about the species that made up the environment needed to support them so they'd better start cloning those, too.

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* {{Dedication}}: Creator/CharlesStrauss dedicated this {{novel}} to Creator/RobertAHeinlein and Creator/IsaacAsimov.
* FlatEarthAtheist: Most robots, based on design schematics and such, believe that they were created by human beings. A few, however, believe in [[StrawmanPolitical the holy doctrine of Evolution]], and its prophets [[UsefulNotes/CharlesDarwin Darwin]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins Dawkins]], and Gould.
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Gould. The religious comparisons only get stranger, when a member of a cartel seeking to bring back humans talks about constructing Tyrannosaurs, as many historical records of the Creators showed humans and dinosaurs living side by side, and doubtless the Creators knew best about the species that made up the environment needed to support them so they'd better start cloning those, too.



* {{Homage}}: Though not an overt comedy, ''Saturn's Children'' is a tongue-in-cheek homage/parody of Golden Age SF planetary adventure stories, as well as the works of Creator/RobertAHeinlein and Creator/IsaacAsimov (to whom the book is dedicated).

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* {{Homage}}: Though not an overt comedy, ''Saturn's Children'' is a tongue-in-cheek homage/parody of Golden Age SF planetary adventure stories, as well as the works of Creator/RobertAHeinlein and Creator/IsaacAsimov (to whom the book is dedicated).[[{{Dedication}} dedicated]]).
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By the 23rd century Mankind has died out, leaving the intelligent robots they created to carry on as best they can. Independent and self-sustaining, the robots struggle to find purpose in their "lives". Freya Nakamichi is one of these robots: created as a SexBot, she now has no reason to exist (seeing as there are no more humans around to sex up). While visiting Venus, Freya gets into trouble with some high-ranking robots. With things getting too hot for her, Freya is thankful to find a courier job that will take her off planet. Unfortunately the package she's carrying turns out to contain an secret that many robots would kill to possess...or die to destroy.


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By the 23rd century Mankind has died out, leaving the intelligent robots they created to carry on as best they can. Independent and self-sustaining, the robots struggle to find purpose in their "lives". Freya Nakamichi is one of these robots: created as a SexBot, she now has no reason to exist (seeing as there are no more humans around to sex up). While visiting Venus, Freya gets into trouble with some high-ranking robots. With things getting too hot for her, Freya is thankful to find a courier job that will take her off planet. Unfortunately the package she's carrying turns out to contain an a secret that many robots would kill to possess...or die to destroy.

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** In addition to numerous {{Shout Out}}s to Creator/RobertHeinlein, ''Saturn's Children'' has a McGuffin disguised as [[TheMalteseFalcon a statue of a black bird]] and an organisation of robot butlers who are all called [[JeevesAndWooster Jeeves]] [[spoiler: one of whom has taken the name "Reginald"; Jeeves's first name in the books.]]

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** In addition to numerous {{Shout Out}}s to Creator/RobertHeinlein, ''Saturn's Children'' has a McGuffin disguised as [[TheMalteseFalcon [[Film/TheMalteseFalcon a statue of a black bird]] and an organisation of robot butlers who are all called [[JeevesAndWooster [[Literature/JeevesAndWooster Jeeves]] [[spoiler: one of whom has taken the name "Reginald"; Jeeves's first name in the books.]]

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* MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness: ''Extremely'' hard. Uncomfortably hard. So hard that an alert reader can't help but come away with the impression that the fundamental laws of the universe make human spaceflight thoroughly impractical, if not impossible.

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* MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness: ''Extremely'' hard. Uncomfortably hard. So hard that an alert reader can't help but come away with the impression that the fundamental laws of the universe make human spaceflight thoroughly impractical, if not impossible. Which they do.
* MundaneDogmatic actually. No FTL, AI comes from mirroring natural human brains, it is programmed used mundane psychology etc etc. The robot society is derived from capitalism economy and also based on all human flaws.
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* ContemptibleCover: The first edition's US cover of ''Saturn's Children'' was quite controversial, to the point where Stross himself apologized on his blog, basically saying "I'm sorry, it's not my fault". While technically a relatively accurate depiction of the protagonist (she ''is'' a SexBot after all), it does tend to give people the wrong idea about the book.

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* ContemptibleCover: The first edition's US cover of ''Saturn's Children'' was quite controversial, to the point where Stross himself apologized on his blog, basically saying "I'm sorry, it's not my fault". While technically a relatively accurate depiction of On the protagonist (she ''is'' a SexBot after all), it does tend to give people the wrong idea about the book.other hand, it's not terribly inaccurate...
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* {{Bishoujo}}: The dominant aesthetic among the robot aristocracy. Small, big-eyed, cute robots look down on tall, big-breasted and sexy ones.
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**''Neptune's Brood'' features a water world covered in an ocean hundreds of kilometers deep, far past the point where it should have frozen from sheer pressure alone. Explaining what keeps it liquid allows Stross to expound on the bizarre ways water acts under extreme heat and pressure.

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