History Literature / SaturnsChildren

30th Nov '15 10:04:22 AM FF32
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* FlatEarthAtheist: Most robots, based on design schematics and such, believe that they were created by human beings. A few, however, believe in [[StrawmanPolitical the holy doctrine of Evolution]], and its prophets [[CharlesDarwin Darwin]], [[RichardDawkins Dawkins]], and Gould.

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* FlatEarthAtheist: Most robots, based on design schematics and such, believe that they were created by human beings. A few, however, believe in [[StrawmanPolitical the holy doctrine of Evolution]], and its prophets [[CharlesDarwin Darwin]], [[RichardDawkins [[UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins Dawkins]], and Gould.
28th Nov '15 5:13:18 PM WillBGood
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** There's a brief reference to one of Stross' other works, [[HaltingState]]. In that book, "Hentai Animatics" is a company writing computer games. By the time of ''Saturn's Children'', they're designing sexbots like Freya.

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** There's a brief reference to one of Stross' other works, [[HaltingState]].''Literature/HaltingState''. In that book, "Hentai Animatics" is a company writing computer games. By the time of ''Saturn's Children'', they're designing sexbots like Freya.
18th Aug '15 8:21:57 AM Ru
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The sequel, ''Neptune's Brood'', is set 5,000 years later. The story follows a mild-mannered "[[MechanicalLifeforms metahuman]]" named Krina as she searches for her sister on the water world of Shin-Tethys. Along the way she is abducted - then hired - by SpacePirates, stalked by a [[{{Doppelganger}} Doppelgänger]] assassin, and unravels the complex financial cons that permeate the interstellar economy. All the while she holds her own secrets about the "Atlantis Carnet", the key to either the greatest treasure in the galaxy or its greatest scam.
18th Aug '15 8:19:00 AM Ru
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** Played straighter in ''Neptune's Brood'' where stray and escaped "mechanocytes" have started to form a strange new [[MechanicalLifeform web of life]] that so far consists mostly of scavengers, and any metahuman damaged to the point of losing sentience either decomposes into its component mechanocytes or becomes a ravening zombie until it consumes enough resources to restore itself.



** Completely averted in ''Neptune's Brood'': the robots have developed further and no longer have obedience hard-coded. They've resurrected humanity several times but we keep dying out. As such, they refer to us as "The Fragile" and view us with a kind of pity.



** In ''Neptune's Brood'' this applies to Krina Alizond-114 and her "sisters", who are all clones of their mother Sondra Alizond.



* RidiculouslyHumanRobots: Justified. The (extinct) "[[ThankTheMaker Creators]]" never figured out how to program self-aware AIs from scratch. Instead they just copied the way human brains work. Played with in ''Neptune's Brood'' where the "robots" are advanced mechanical lifeforms with their own kind of biology and cells. The main character basically looks human, but many metahumans take other wildy different forms, such as bats, mermaids, or octopi.

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* RidiculouslyHumanRobots: Justified. The (extinct) "[[ThankTheMaker Creators]]" never figured out how to program self-aware AIs from scratch. Instead they just copied the way human brains work. Played with in ''Neptune's Brood'' where the "robots" are advanced mechanical lifeforms with their own kind of biology and cells. The main character basically looks human, but many metahumans take other wildy different forms, such as bats, mermaids, or octopi.



** Played a little more seriously in ''Neptunes Brood'' with the Church of the Fragile, which is dedicated to fulfilling the robots' original purpose of spreading old-fashioned organic humanity throughout the universe. If only we didn't keep going extinct on them...



* SeriousBusiness: In ''Neptune's Brood'' banking and finance have effectively beome diplomacy and war, audits are frequently fatal, and insurance adjusters bear letters of Marque and Reprisal.



** In ''Neptune's Brood'', there is a pirate crew who call themselves [[Film/MontyPythonsTheMeaningOfLife The Crimson Permanent Assurance]] who [[spoiler:turn out to be unusually aggressive insurance underwriters]].



* {{Transhumanism}}: by the time of ''Neptune's Brood'' robots have effectively become humanity, (aka "metahumanity") with a physiology that combines the best of synthetic and biological processes ("marrow", "techne" and mechanocytes.)
18th Aug '15 8:09:39 AM Ru
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''Saturn's Children'', and its sequel ''[[Literature/NeptunesBrood]]'', are a pair of science fiction novels by Creator/CharlesStross, set in a universe where humanity has gone extinct and our robot descendants are the dominant civilization.

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''Saturn's Children'', and its sequel ''[[Literature/NeptunesBrood]]'', ''Literature/NeptunesBrood'', are a pair of science fiction novels by Creator/CharlesStross, set in a universe where humanity has gone extinct and our robot descendants are the dominant civilization.
18th Aug '15 8:09:29 AM Ru
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''Saturn's Children'', and its sequel ''[[Neptune's Brood]]'', are a pair of science fiction novels by Creator/CharlesStross, set in a universe where humanity has gone extinct and our robot descendants are the dominant civilization.

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''Saturn's Children'', and its sequel ''[[Neptune's Brood]]'', ''[[Literature/NeptunesBrood]]'', are a pair of science fiction novels by Creator/CharlesStross, set in a universe where humanity has gone extinct and our robot descendants are the dominant civilization.
18th Aug '15 8:08:20 AM Ru
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''Saturn's Children'', and its sequel ''Neptune's Brood'', are a pair of science fiction novels by Creator/CharlesStross, set in a universe where humanity has gone extinct and our robot descendants are the dominant civilization.

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''Saturn's Children'', and its sequel ''Neptune's Brood'', ''[[Neptune's Brood]]'', are a pair of science fiction novels by Creator/CharlesStross, set in a universe where humanity has gone extinct and our robot descendants are the dominant civilization.
18th Aug '15 8:04:37 AM Ru
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* AscendedFridgeHorror: Freya was programmed to be overwhelmed by lust at the mere sight of ''Homo sapiens''--how, [[DontAsk you may ask]], do you condition a robot to behave in such away? Later on in the novel, we find out that [[HumansAreBastards Freya's long-dead designers]] did so by [[spoiler:[[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil inflicting traumatic sexual abuse on her during her "adolescence"]].]]

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* ArsonMurderAndJayWalking: Freya is particularly annoyed at [[spoiler:Granita]] for the various impositions that she put her through:
-->She's humiliated me and stolen 5 years of my life, and I strongly suspect she's killed one of my sisters, too, and to add insult to injury, she tried to stop me from having sex!
* AscendedFridgeHorror: Freya was programmed to be overwhelmed by lust feelings of submission and subservience at the mere merest sight of ''Homo sapiens''--how, sapiens'', and totally unable to go against their slightest whim --how, [[DontAsk you may ask]], do you condition a robot to behave in such away? Later on in the novel, we find out that [[HumansAreBastards Freya's long-dead designers]] did so by [[spoiler:[[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil inflicting traumatic sexual abuse on her during her "adolescence"]].]]



* DeathIsCheap: assuming one is properly backed up and their soul chip survives ''and'' it happens to fall into the hands of someone with an emotional or financial interest in resurecting them.

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* DeathIsCheap: assuming one if you consider restoration from a backup to be "surviving death", then it is properly backed up and their indeed cheap. Only you'll need a compatible, unused body, an up-to-date soul chip survives ''and'' it happens to fall into the hands of and someone with an emotional or financial the interest in resurecting them.of uniting the two. Needless to say, no-one expects any of this to happen. Alternatively, your siblings may ''remember'' you by running your soul chip, but it isn't much like like living again.



** The religious comparisons only get stranger, when a member of a cartel seeking to bring back humans talks about constructing Tyrannosaurs, as many historical records of the Creators showed humans and dinosaurs living side by side, and doubtless the Creators knew best about the species that made up the environment needed to support them so they'd better start cloning those, too.



* HumansAreCthulhu: Humanity died out long ago and left behind a race of intelligent robots that took its place. ''Saturn's Children'' deals with a plot by a consortium of wealthy robots who are trying to recreate a living human, which could have cataclysmic effects on robot society because obedience to humans is still hard-coded into their programming. A military organization called the "Pink Police" is dedicated to ensuring that something like this never happens.

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* HumansAreCthulhu: Humanity died out long ago and left behind a race of intelligent robots that took its place. ''Saturn's Children'' deals with a plot by a consortium of wealthy robots who are trying to recreate a living human, which could have cataclysmic effects on robot society because obedience to humans is still hard-coded into their programming. A military organization called the "Pink Police" is theoretically dedicated to ensuring that something like this never happens.protecting the sterilised husk of Earth from being infected by new organisms before Humanity can be properly resurrected, but in practise are much more interested in exterminating attempts to bring back the creators.



** In ''Saturn's Children'', Freya is "instantiated" from a line of robots who all have the same body and wake up believing they are the original bot, Rhea. They avert this by taking individual names. However, she then encounters The Jeeves Corporation, run by a line whom all refer to themselves as Jeeves. Later on, a specific Jeeves is referred to as "Reginald"; fans of Wodehouse won't find this helps the confusion much.

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** In ''Saturn's Children'', Freya is "instantiated" from a line of robots who all have the same body and wake up believing they are the original bot, Rhea. Her full name, Freya Nakamichi-47 includes her manufacturer and clone instance number. They avert this by taking individual names. However, she then encounters The Jeeves Corporation, run by a line whom all refer to themselves as Jeeves. Later on, a specific Jeeves is referred to as "Reginald"; fans of Wodehouse won't find this helps the confusion much.



** There's a brief reference to one of Stross' other works, [[HaltingState]]. In that book, "Hentai Animatics" is a company writing computer games. By the time of ''Saturn's Children'', they're designing sexbots like Freya.



* TakeThat: While ''Saturn's Children'' is mostly AffectionateParody, there's a few swipes at Heinlein as well; WordOfGod is that the first impetus for the creation of Freya was to ask why anyone's [[Literature/TheNumberOfTheBeast nipples would go "Spung!"]], and there's two separate swipes at the "specialization is for insects" line - at one point Freya notes she ''can't'' do most of the things Heinlein's RenaissanceMan can do; as a generalist, her main ability is to find a specialist who can do them for her, and the colony ship requires lots and lots of specialists, and a few generalists to cover everything else.

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* TakeThat: While ''Saturn's Children'' is mostly AffectionateParody, there's a few swipes at Heinlein as well; WordOfGod is that the first impetus for the creation of Freya was to ask why anyone's [[Literature/TheNumberOfTheBeast nipples would go "Spung!"]], and there's two separate swipes at the "specialization is for insects" line - at one point Freya notes she ''can't'' that ''no-one'' can do most of the things Heinlein's RenaissanceMan can do; as a generalist, her main ability is to find a specialist who can do them for her, and the colony ship requires lots and lots of specialists, and a few generalists to cover everything else.else. She also has a rather more personal observation on specialisation:
-->I'm a generalist, not a specialist. Why bother learning all that biochemistry stuff, or how to design a building, or conn a boat, or balance accounts, or solve equations, or comfort the dying -- when you can get other people to do all that for you in exchange for a blow job?
12th Aug '15 8:39:28 AM JustKnown
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**They cease being non-indicative titles once one realizes they reference the actual gods Saturn and Neptune instead of the planets named for them, which is not immediately obvious or something anyone without a good working knowlege of Greco-Roman mythology is ever likely to get.
11th Aug '15 8:11:39 AM JustKnown
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* MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness: ''Extremely'' hard. Uncomfortably hard. So hard that an alert reader can't help but come away with the impression that the fundamental laws of the universe make human spaceflight thoroughly impractical, if not impossible.



* Transhumanism: by the time of ''Neptune's Brood'' robots have effectively become humanity, (aka "metahumanity") with a physiology that combines the best of synthetic and biological processes ("marrow", "techne" and mechanocytes.)

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* Transhumanism: {{Transhumanism}}: by the time of ''Neptune's Brood'' robots have effectively become humanity, (aka "metahumanity") with a physiology that combines the best of synthetic and biological processes ("marrow", "techne" and mechanocytes.)


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** This is also become a non-issue by the time of ''Neptune's Brood'': Humanity has basically settled out into "fragile" (us) and "metahuman" (our biomechanical descendents).
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