History Literature / KnowledgeofAngels

19th May '16 8:34:51 PM Fireblood
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The other side of the story, with Amara, focuses on how a group of nuns hope to raise her to become 'human', and yet keep her ignorant of God, so as to see whether knowledge of God is innate or learned- a plan orchestrated by Severo, as, if it can be proved that humans are not born with knowledge of God, then Palinor will not be held guilty of rejecting God- rejection can be punished, ignorance cannot be. However, though early tests with Amara would suggest knowledge is learned, she is later couched by the nun caring for her in proclaiming belief in God, so she will be let go rather than kept confined waiting to see if she finds it by herself. Thus it is left unclear as to whether this knowledge really is innate or not.

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The other side of the story, with Amara, focuses on how a group of nuns hope to raise her to become 'human', and yet keep her ignorant of God, so as to see whether knowledge of God is innate or learned- a plan orchestrated by Severo, as, if it can be proved that humans are not born with knowledge of God, then Palinor will not be held guilty of rejecting God- rejection can be punished, ignorance cannot be. However, though early tests with Amara would suggest knowledge is learned, she is later couched by the nun caring for her in proclaiming belief in God, so she will be let go rather than kept confined waiting to see if she finds it by herself. Thus it is left unclear as to whether this knowledge really is innate or not.
not, although Amara shows no signs of it before this.



* CoitusEnsues: About two-thirds of the way through the book, Palinor has a threesome with his (female [[BiTheWay and]] male) servants, which comes up quite unexpectedly while adding nothing to the plot. It also paints him in a somewhat bad light, given the {{questionable consent}} on their part as they're dependent on him for livelihood and used to obeying his orders.

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* CoitusEnsues: About two-thirds of the way through the book, Palinor has a threesome [[ThreeWaySex threesome]] with his (female [[BiTheWay and]] male) servants, which comes up quite unexpectedly while adding nothing to the plot. It also paints him in a somewhat bad light, given the {{questionable consent}} on their part as they're dependent on him for livelihood and used to obeying his orders.



* ReligionIsWrong: He realizes that they don't, which, to him, means that there is no evidence for a God, and so how could one exist?

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* ReligionIsWrong: He realizes becomes convinced that they don't, don't after hearing Palinor's replies, which, to him, means that there is no evidence for a God, and so how could one exist?
8th Feb '16 8:03:06 PM Fireblood
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* MercyKill: Palinor is killed with a material that emits deadly yet painless fumes to spare him from the flames.

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* MercyKill: Palinor is killed with a material that emits deadly yet painless fumes to spare him from the flames.being burned alive.
8th Feb '16 7:28:12 PM Fireblood
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The first main character, Palinor, is found washed up on a beach, near dead and with no forms of identification or proof that he is who he says he is- an elected Prince of a foreign land. No-one from Grandinsula has heard of this country, and it is soon learned he does not believe in God, an offense punishable by death. It falls to the Cardinal Prince of Grandinsula to convince Palinor to convert, and he delegates this task to the loyal Church scholar Beneditx. Beneditx has many theological conversations with Palinor, yet fails to convince him to convert (and, in fact, ends up suffering from a CrisisOfFaith himself).

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The first main character, Palinor, is found washed up on a beach, near dead and with no forms of identification or proof that he is who he says he is- an is-an elected Prince of a foreign land. No-one from Grandinsula has heard of this country, and it is soon learned he does not believe in God, an offense punishable by death. It falls to the Cardinal Prince of Grandinsula to convince Palinor to convert, and he delegates this task to the loyal Church scholar Beneditx. Beneditx has many theological conversations with Palinor, yet fails to convince him to convert (and, in fact, ends up suffering from a CrisisOfFaith himself).


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* DownerEnding: Palinor is killed, Amara has gone off to live a life of isolation, and an Aclaran fleet is coming to punish the island for Palinor's death.


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* HollywoodAtheist: {{Discussed}}. Palinor does not fit the stereotypes, surprising the Christian characters, who believe an atheist has no reason to be moral.


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* KillItWithFire: At the close of the book, Palinor is burned at the stake by the Inquisition for heresy.
* MercyKill: Palinor is killed with a material that emits deadly yet painless fumes to spare him from the flames.
* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Severo reacts this way after he realizes what is going to happen with Palinor after he turned him over to the Inquisition.


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* WillNotTellALie: Palinor refuses to lie, even when his life is on the line, saying it would demean him.
25th Jan '16 8:23:37 PM Fireblood
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* ArtisticLicenseReligion: Catholic doctrine did not view witchcraft as heresy in 1450. In fact, the official take was that witchcraft claims were delusions or lies, with it being sinful to believe they were true. Thus an Inquisitor would not tell people that witchcraft was a sign of heresy. Atheism is also not heresy, and so the Inquisitor would have no authority over Palinor. The only problem they would be him trying to convince anyone else of atheism, which he didn't do.

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* ArtisticLicenseReligion: Catholic doctrine did not view witchcraft as heresy in 1450. In fact, the official take was that witchcraft claims were delusions or lies, with it being sinful to believe they were true. Thus an Inquisitor would not tell people that witchcraft was a sign of heresy. Atheism is also not heresy, and so the Inquisitor would have no authority over Palinor. The only problem they would be him trying to convince anyone else of atheism, which he didn't do.
25th Jan '16 8:15:07 PM Fireblood
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The first 'Main Character', Palinor, is found washed up on a beach, near dead and with no forms of identification or proof that he is who he says he is- an elected Prince of a foreign land. No-one from Grandinsula has heard of this country, and it is soon learned he does not believe in God, an offense punishable by death. It falls to the Cardinal Prince of Grandinsula to convince Palinor to convert, and he delegates this task to the loyal Church scholar Beneditx. Beneditx has many theological conversations with Palinor, yet fails to convince him to convert (and, in fact, ends up suffering from a CrisisOfFaith himself).

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The first 'Main Character', main character, Palinor, is found washed up on a beach, near dead and with no forms of identification or proof that he is who he says he is- an elected Prince of a foreign land. No-one from Grandinsula has heard of this country, and it is soon learned he does not believe in God, an offense punishable by death. It falls to the Cardinal Prince of Grandinsula to convince Palinor to convert, and he delegates this task to the loyal Church scholar Beneditx. Beneditx has many theological conversations with Palinor, yet fails to convince him to convert (and, in fact, ends up suffering from a CrisisOfFaith himself).


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* ArtisticLicenseReligion: Catholic doctrine did not view witchcraft as heresy in 1450. In fact, the official take was that witchcraft claims were delusions or lies, with it being sinful to believe they were true. Thus an Inquisitor would not tell people that witchcraft was a sign of heresy. Atheism is also not heresy, and so the Inquisitor would have no authority over Palinor. The only problem they would be him trying to convince anyone else of atheism, which he didn't do.


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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: The values of Renaissance Christians are ably demonstrated for the reader, such as the far more powerful role of religion in people's lives-to the point of harsh persecution toward dissidents. Additionally, the Christian characters find Palinor's view hard to fathom (as indeed real Christians would have at the time). The Inquisitor finds the idea of religious tolerance, as Palinor describes in his homeland, utterly appalling.
25th Jan '16 7:52:51 PM Fireblood
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* ElectiveMonarchy: Palinor is an elected prince of his home country, Aclar.
25th Jan '16 7:47:20 PM Fireblood
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* ReligionIsRight: Beneditx thinks his arguments (starting with Aquinas' 5 Ways) prove that God exists.

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* ReligionIsRight: Beneditx thinks his arguments (starting with Aquinas' 5 Ways) prove that God exists.
25th Jan '16 3:06:25 PM Fireblood
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* ReligionIsRight: Beneditx thinks his arguments (Aquinas' 5 Ways) prove that God exists.

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* ReligionIsRight: Beneditx thinks his arguments (Aquinas' (starting with Aquinas' 5 Ways) prove that God exists.
20th Apr '14 2:24:39 PM Fireblood
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* HeelFaithTurn: Beneditx was hoping to cause one in Palinor, though Palinor wasn't a Heel to begin with (the Church saw Palinor as evil for rejecting God, and so Beneditx was hoping that, by converting Palinor, the Church would see him a good and spare him).

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* HeelFaithTurn: Beneditx was hoping to cause one in Palinor, though Palinor wasn't a Heel to begin with (the Church saw Palinor as evil for rejecting God, and so Beneditx was hoping that, by converting Palinor, the Church would see him a as good and spare him).
20th Apr '14 2:21:27 PM Fireblood
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* CoitusEnsues: About two-thirds of the way through the book, Palinor has a threesome with his (female [[BiTheWay ''and'']] male) servants, which comes up quite unexpectedly while adding nothing to the plot. It also paints him in a somewhat bad light, given the {{questionable consent}} on their part as they're dependent on him for livelihood and used to obeying his orders.

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* CoitusEnsues: About two-thirds of the way through the book, Palinor has a threesome with his (female [[BiTheWay ''and'']] and]] male) servants, which comes up quite unexpectedly while adding nothing to the plot. It also paints him in a somewhat bad light, given the {{questionable consent}} on their part as they're dependent on him for livelihood and used to obeying his orders.
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