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* ''FanFic/EscapeFromTheMoon'': [[spoiler: The decision to make Spliced Genome immortal [[spoiler: immortal]] was decried by countless as an ill advised measure, including Spliced Genome herself. The people holding the Idiot Ball disagreed. In the sequel ''The Mare From the Moon'', Spliced Genome ''was'' content to wait out her time on the moon, and had been reforming slowly after almost three hundred years of no conflict between her and her jailers. But then one of them grabbed firm hold of this trope and activated a death trap, triggering her RageBreakingPoint. [[spoiler: Word of God is that it was done by an individual without permission and against standing orders to leave her alone.]]
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* PlayedForLaughs in ''FanFic/ChildOfTheStorm.'' Harry kvetches to Carol about having to carry [[BigEater]] Ron up eight flights of stairs after the latter falls into a food coma. Not only is he [[ForgotAboutHisPowers both a telekinetic and a wizard who knows how to do a basic Levitation Charm,]] he also has a pair of highly intelligent, pony-sized wolves with him who would probably be willing to carry Ron on their back.
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* PlayedForLaughs in ''FanFic/ChildOfTheStorm.'' Harry kvetches to Carol about having to carry [[BigEater]] Ron up eight flights of stairs after the latter falls into a food coma. Not only is he [[ForgotAboutHisPowers both a telekinetic and a wizard who knows how to do a basic Levitation Charm,]] he also has a pair of highly intelligent, pony-sized wolves with him who would probably be willing to carry Ron on their back.
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* Ino in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/3665921/51/Black-Flames-Dance-In-The-Wind-Rise-of-Naruto Black Flames Dance in the Wind: Rise of Naruto]]'' throws real kunai at the training grounds instead of practice ones (which have a foam tip) and nearly hits Sakura when she misses her target. What makes it worse is her sensei had previously chewed her out for that very action, citing that not only could she kill someone doing that, but one such death once caused a blood feud between two clans.
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* In ''WebVideo/MyLittlePonyTotallyLegitRecap'' Twilight and Spike share a "Common Sense Switch" between them, and whoever it's flipped on towards will be the rational one for the episode while the other's dumb ideas will drive the plot. Most clearly seen when Twilight attempts to babysit while running a bunch of errands, including visiting a hospital of sick children, and going through all the trouble of winning back her stolen crown instead of just taking it back (albeit with a belated justification), all over Spike's consistent and rational objections.
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* In the ''Star Trek: Renegades'' pilot, everyone seems overly fond of the "vaporize" setting on their phasers, even when it might be useful to question someone. When TheManBehindTheMan shows himself, Chekov's security expert immediately kills him, despite knowing that he may be the only one who can stop [[spoiler:the portal about to destroy Earth]], simply shrugging and referencing old habits when the incredulous Chekov asks why. Borrada also holds the ball when he continues to blame the Federation for something that it supposedly did ''before'' it was ever founded.
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*In the fanfic ''IProopedMyPants'' all of the characters get this at some point. After their mansion burns down, the Zharjeks all take minimum wage jobs at a hotel, even though they are still supermodels. And when the Mafia kidnaps [[spoiler:Tiffany]], they let her use her phone as long as she doesn't use it to call the police.
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*In the fanfic ''IProopedMyPants'' all of the characters get this at some point. After their mansion burns down, the Zharjeks all take minimum wage jobs at a hotel, even though they are still supermodels. And when the Mafia kidnaps [[spoiler:Tiffany]], they let her use her phone as long as she doesn't use it to call the police.
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* There are a few of these snatched by the protagonists of ''Fanfic/CalvinAndHobbesTheSeries'', who are usually quite GenreSavvy, don't always realize that one of Calvin's inventions could completely avert a conflict. Granted, Hobbes is ''very'' reluctant to go along with Calvin if an invention is involved, but the other protagonists don't really have an excuse. Particularly egregious is "Nighty Shut Up!", where the solution to Calvin's insomnia is to use the Time Pauser to sleep as long as he likes. This only comes at the end of the episode, while it probably wasn't very hard to figure out at all!
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* In Obara VII of ''Fanfic/WearingRobertsCrown'', two Dornish emissaries approach Aegon Targaryen who's planning to return to Westeros, anticipating that he can carry out a lightning assault on the capital and that most of the Seven Kingdoms will be neutral, favourable or at least unable to oppose him in taking the crown. At a time when [[spoiler: the Wall has fallen, the king died heroically and Stannis Baratheon is uncontested as Regent to the young heir]]. Just to make this clear, [[spoiler: Viserys Targaryen]] had concluded that his feud with House Baratheon is less important that fighting the Others! To quote one review: 'FAegon, Jonny C, The GC, and Dorne weren't just holding the Idiot Ball, they were having kinky, filthy sex with it.'
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* In Obara VII of ''Fanfic/WearingRobertsCrown'', two Dornish emissaries approach Aegon Targaryen who's planning to return to Westeros, anticipating that he can carry out a lightning assault on the capital and that most of the Seven Kingdoms will be neutral, favourable or at least unable to oppose him in taking the crown. At a time when [[spoiler: the Wall has fallen, the king died heroically and Stannis Baratheon is uncontested as Regent to the young heir]]. Just to make this clear, [[spoiler: Viserys Targaryen]] had concluded that his feud with House Baratheon is less important that fighting the Others! To quote one review: 'FAegon, Jonny C, The GC, and Dorne weren't just holding the Idiot Ball, they were having kinky, filthy sex with it.'
* In Obara VII of ''Fanfic/WearingRobertsCrown'', two Dornish emissaries approach Aegon Targaryen who's planning to return to Westeros, anticipating that he can carry out a lightning assault on the capital and that most of the Seven Kingdoms will be neutral, favourable or at least unable to oppose him in taking the crown. At a time when [[spoiler: the Wall has fallen, the king died heroically and Stannis Baratheon is uncontested as Regent to the young heir]]. Just to make this clear, [[spoiler: Viserys Targaryen]] had concluded that his feud with House Baratheon is less important that fighting the Others! To quote one review: 'FAegon, Jonny C, The GC, and Dorne weren't just holding the Idiot Ball, they were having kinky, filthy sex with it.'
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* One FandomSpecificPlot for ''Manga/FairyTail'' fanfics involves the rest of Lucy's team falling for a WoundedGazelleGambit by [[RonTheDeathEater Lisanna]], and proceeding to beat Lucy up and/or kick her out of the team. ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10733441/1/Another-Chance Another Chance]]'' is particularly bad about this, as none of the Dragon Slayers present when Lucy's getting beaten up (Natsu participates, while Wendy and Gajeel don't attack Lucy but don't try to stop it) consider that Lisanna's wearing makeup, even though they have enhanced sense of smell, and even [[OnlySaneMan Makarov]] can smell it, and Lisanna's CrocodileTears cause it to run. Lucy lampshades this when she bitterly complains about Levy, a close friend, believing Lisanna's word over hers even though the two aren't as close, and when she yell "You idiots! Haven't you heard of make-up?!"
* One FandomSpecificPlot for ''Manga/FairyTail'' fanfics involves the rest of Lucy's team falling for a WoundedGazelleGambit by [[RonTheDeathEater Lisanna]], and proceeding to beat Lucy up and/or kick her out of the team. ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10733441/1/Another-Chance Another Chance]]'' is particularly bad about this, as none of the Dragon Slayers present when Lucy's getting beaten up (Natsu participates, while Wendy and Gajeel don't attack Lucy but don't try to stop it) consider that Lisanna's wearing makeup, even though they have enhanced sense of smell, and even [[OnlySaneMan Makarov]] can smell it, and Lisanna's CrocodileTears cause it to run. Lucy lampshades this when she bitterly complains about Levy, a close friend, believing Lisanna's word over hers even though the two aren't as close, and when she yell "You idiots! Haven't you heard of make-up?!"
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* A huge portion of the central conflict in ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'' could've been avoided if [[spoiler: Maledict had come right out and told Sonic that he was his father and that he needed his help]] ''before'' Tsali got there first and tried to kill Sonic. Also, the Metarex leaders continued to trust M/[[spoiler: Maledict]] even while they were slowly ''losing'' the Metarex War.
** Also, Tsali grabs it in Episode 73 - he could've easily killed Cosmo and escaped without anyone noticing if he didn't stop to gloat (and murder all of her friends first). Trinity lampshades it in the rewrite, and it's revealed that Tsali [[AxCrazy wants to watch her and her friends suffer before they die]].
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first). Trinity lampshades it in the rewrite, and it's revealed that Tsali [[AxCrazy wants to watch her and her friends suffer before they die]].
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* In the [=MST=] treatment of ''FanFic/TomSwiftAndHisWarTank,'' Ned and Mr Damon keep a firm grip on this at all times, but it seems that anyone who isn't Tom gets their sticky mitts on it at some point.
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-->'''Servo''': Ah, it all becomes clear, now. The residents of Shopton, except for the Swifts, share a collective intelligence. Someone else in town must be buttoning their coat and thereby placing a strain on the town's remaining IQ resources.
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-->'''Servo''': Ah, it all becomes clear, now. The residents of Shopton, except for the Swifts, share a collective intelligence. Someone else in town must be buttoning their coat and thereby placing a strain on the town's remaining IQ resources.
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* {{Lampshaded}} in "Fanfic/PastContinuous". Eleya remarks in her InternalMonologue that the coalition could have avoided a lot of trouble by basing the effort to retake Deep Space 9 out of a nearby Bajoran military base instead of the middle of a major city.
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* In the ''Star Trek: Renegades'' pilot, everyone seems overly fond of the "vaporize" setting on their phasers, even when it might be useful to question someone. When TheManBehindTheMan shows himself, Chekov's security expert immediately kills him, despite knowing that he may be the only one who can stop [[spoiler:the portal about to destroy Earth]], simply shrugging and referencing old habits when the incredulous Chekov asks why. Borrada also holds the ball when he continues to blame the Federation for something that it supposedly did ''before'' it was ever founded.
* In the ''Star Trek: Renegades'' pilot, everyone seems overly fond of the "vaporize" setting on their phasers, even when it might be useful to question someone. When TheManBehindTheMan shows himself, Chekov's security expert immediately kills him, despite knowing that he may be the only one who can stop [[spoiler:the portal about to destroy Earth]], simply shrugging and referencing old habits when the incredulous Chekov asks why. Borrada also holds the ball when he continues to blame the Federation for something that it supposedly did ''before'' it was ever founded.
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* In ''[[Fanfic/NobodyDies Neon Genesis Evangelion: Nobody Dies]]'', Kaworu is very enthusiastic about [[LampshadedDoubleEntendre maintaining the species]] with Rei. The Idiot Ball? The first attempt fails by loss of [[NoodleIncident Ocular Virginity]]. The second by [[DestinationDefenestration Defenestration]]. He still tries.
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* In ''[[Fanfic/NobodyDies Neon Genesis Evangelion: Nobody Dies]]'', ''Fanfic/TheChildOfLove'': Sigh. Shinji. [[spoiler:Your own unborn daughter is warning you telepathically about your father's plans and asking you being strong and being there for Asuka and her.]] And what do you do? Losing your nerve and breaking up because you think you are not strong enough to protect them.
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* ''Fanfic/NobodyDies'': Kaworu is very enthusiastic about [[LampshadedDoubleEntendre maintaining the species]] with Rei. The Idiot Ball? The first attempt fails by loss of [[NoodleIncident Ocular Virginity]]. The second by [[DestinationDefenestration Defenestration]]. He still tries.
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* Explored in ''FanFic/BlueSky'', wherein Wheatley discovers that he was originally designed to be [=GLaDOS=]' idiot ball in an attempt to stop her going genocidal every thirty seconds.
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* In the ''{{Firefly}}/Series/DoctorWho'' crossover fanfic ''Fanfic/TheManWithNoName'', some of the characters are hunting Reavers. When they stop, thinking they've heard something, [[ItsProbablyNothing the Doctor keeps going anyway]], walking smack right into one. Even the Doctor admits it was blindingly stupid.
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* In the ''{{Firefly}}/Series/DoctorWho'' ''{{Series/Firefly}}[=/=]Series/DoctorWho'' crossover fanfic ''Fanfic/TheManWithNoName'', some of the characters are hunting Reavers. When they stop, thinking they've heard something, [[ItsProbablyNothing the Doctor keeps going anyway]], walking smack right into one. Even the Doctor admits it was blindingly stupid.
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* In ''Fanfic/WhatAboutWitchQueen'' Weseltonian king Charles[[note]]Or prince. The story alternates between the two. Anyway, the ruler of Weselton.[[/note]] seems to catch it once Kai and Kristoff arrive. He's [[spoiler:at war]] with the queen who can control ice, he knows what happened to Hans, and he knows that Elsa's patience has its limits. And he still prolongs the negotiations to get better terms and claims that Elsa's weak. Even his own son calls him out on this.
* In ''Fanfic/WhatAboutWitchQueen'' Weseltonian king Charles[[note]]Or prince. The story alternates between the two. Anyway, the ruler of Weselton.[[/note]] seems to catch it once Kai and Kristoff arrive. He's [[spoiler:at war]] with the queen who can control ice, he knows what happened to Hans, and he knows that Elsa's patience has its limits. And he still prolongs the negotiations to get better terms and claims that Elsa's weak. Even his own son calls him out on this.
